(11-27-2018 11:27 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(11-27-2018 10:46 AM)karter25 Wrote:  

(11-27-2018 09:40 AM)Newton card Wrote:  My opinion; Norvell over estimated Whites ability, based on high school, maybe even pre injury days. A lot of what Norvell likes to do he couldn’t run.Some of the sideline conversations , Norvell was noticeably frustrated. His numbers were fine, but anyone in this system will have good stats.I’m not saying White won’t be the guy next year, but I do feel the job will be more open than most think.

Well said.

You two are dreaming.

Stats can be deceiving. Yards per completion is a reflection of Pollard and others runs after the catch. I can count on 1 hand a ball thrown 35 or 40 yard completed, and to our team.

I believe White will not get the call next season. If he does, I will be there at every game just like I always am. I think the fella hit it spot on when he said Norvell over estimated his abilities. Highly recruited but never played an entire season and I believe his hype played into him being our starter.

Sure thing karter:

(11-27-2018 11:27 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(11-27-2018 10:46 AM)karter25 Wrote:  

(11-27-2018 09:40 AM)Newton card Wrote:  My opinion; Norvell over estimated Whites ability, based on high school, maybe even pre injury days. A lot of what Norvell likes to do he couldn’t run.Some of the sideline conversations , Norvell was noticeably frustrated. His numbers were fine, but anyone in this system will have good stats.I’m not saying White won’t be the guy next year, but I do feel the job will be more open than most think.

Well said.

You two are dreaming.

Josh Pastner; Acc coach of the year. Stats can be misleading

(11-27-2018 12:15 PM)Newton card Wrote:  

(11-27-2018 11:27 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(11-27-2018 10:46 AM)karter25 Wrote:  

(11-27-2018 09:40 AM)Newton card Wrote:  My opinion; Norvell over estimated Whites ability, based on high school, maybe even pre injury days. A lot of what Norvell likes to do he couldn’t run.Some of the sideline conversations , Norvell was noticeably frustrated. His numbers were fine, but anyone in this system will have good stats.I’m not saying White won’t be the guy next year, but I do feel the job will be more open than most think.

Well said.

You two are dreaming.

Josh Pastner; Acc coach of the year. Stats can be misleading

Dude, coach of the year isn't a stat, it's a vote. Stats are stats.

You and karter need to drop this silliness that the backup QB is the best QB. Norvell knows what he is doing.

(11-27-2018 11:27 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(11-27-2018 10:46 AM)karter25 Wrote:  

(11-27-2018 09:40 AM)Newton card Wrote:  My opinion; Norvell over estimated Whites ability, based on high school, maybe even pre injury days. A lot of what Norvell likes to do he couldn’t run.Some of the sideline conversations , Norvell was noticeably frustrated. His numbers were fine, but anyone in this system will have good stats.I’m not saying White won’t be the guy next year, but I do feel the job will be more open than most think.

Well said.

You two are dreaming.

Stats can be misleading, but with that said Brady is a very very good QB.

I think people want him to be Riley and he's never going to be that. Those are just ridiculous expectations.

(11-27-2018 04:53 AM)karter25 Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 10:33 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 08:26 PM)karter25 Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 11:09 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 04:47 AM)karter25 Wrote:  White has a weak arm, goes down with very little contact and has constantly shown very poor decision making when under pressure. Did you even watch the game last Friday?

The game we won by 3 touchdowns? Yes, I was there, apparently you weren't.

White will be the starter next year, anybody who thinks otherwise just doesn't like the guy.

Yep. We won when they decided to tell White to hand the ball off and quit passing. I believe his last 2 passes were to the other team and pretty sure his last touchdown pass was to the other team.

I don't know him but he might be a nice guy. I have watched him all year and I am convinced we could do lots better. It is a real shame we lost 2 qb's because of White.

Oh, now it's Brady Davis and David Moore karter25 wanted. At the beginning, it was Brady McBride. So of the 4 QBs last spring, all were ok except Brady White, right? Did you forget about Connor Adair?

Brady Davis got hurt again at Illinois State after 8 games, unfortunately, couldn't complete the season. Played ok, 56% completion % and 1,500 yards.

David Moore completed 69 passes in 10 games for 821 yards and 4 TDs for Garden City Juco.

Kind of think Mike Norvell knows more about quarterbacks than you do.

I am not stuck on any one replacement, I just don't believe White is the best Qb for the next couple of years.
Norvell was handcuffed due to transfers and redshirt rules on any type of relief. Let's see what happens next spring before we declare you the mastermind you claim to be.

White should be a stronger and better with this year under his belt.

It'll take a helluva qb to unseat him unless he just falls apart.

The best thing for Memphis football is for White to improve a little from this year and be the starter.

(11-27-2018 10:46 AM)karter25 Wrote:  

(11-27-2018 09:40 AM)Newton card Wrote:  My opinion; Norvell over estimated Whites ability, based on high school, maybe even pre injury days. A lot of what Norvell likes to do he couldn’t run.Some of the sideline conversations , Norvell was noticeably frustrated. His numbers were fine, but anyone in this system will have good stats.I’m not saying White won’t be the guy next year, but I do feel the job will be more open than most think.

Well said.

Let me guess...You two were some of the ones saying Norvell had lost the team due to his selection of White as starter, around mid-season...maybe even earlier.

(11-27-2018 11:37 AM)karter25 Wrote:  Stats can be deceiving.

Said every person backing a guy with inferior stats.

(11-27-2018 06:01 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(11-27-2018 10:46 AM)karter25 Wrote:  

(11-27-2018 09:40 AM)Newton card Wrote:  My opinion; Norvell over estimated Whites ability, based on high school, maybe even pre injury days. A lot of what Norvell likes to do he couldn’t run.Some of the sideline conversations , Norvell was noticeably frustrated. His numbers were fine, but anyone in this system will have good stats.I’m not saying White won’t be the guy next year, but I do feel the job will be more open than most think.

Well said.

Let me guess...You two were some of the ones saying Norvell had lost the team due to his selection of White as starter, around mid-season...maybe even earlier.

Probably a very safe guess.

(11-27-2018 02:57 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(11-27-2018 04:53 AM)karter25 Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 10:33 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 08:26 PM)karter25 Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 11:09 AM)Tigx Wrote:  The game we won by 3 touchdowns? Yes, I was there, apparently you weren't.

White will be the starter next year, anybody who thinks otherwise just doesn't like the guy.

Yep. We won when they decided to tell White to hand the ball off and quit passing. I believe his last 2 passes were to the other team and pretty sure his last touchdown pass was to the other team.

I don't know him but he might be a nice guy. I have watched him all year and I am convinced we could do lots better. It is a real shame we lost 2 qb's because of White.

Oh, now it's Brady Davis and David Moore karter25 wanted. At the beginning, it was Brady McBride. So of the 4 QBs last spring, all were ok except Brady White, right? Did you forget about Connor Adair?

Brady Davis got hurt again at Illinois State after 8 games, unfortunately, couldn't complete the season. Played ok, 56% completion % and 1,500 yards.

David Moore completed 69 passes in 10 games for 821 yards and 4 TDs for Garden City Juco.

Kind of think Mike Norvell knows more about quarterbacks than you do.

I am not stuck on any one replacement, I just don't believe White is the best Qb for the next couple of years.
Norvell was handcuffed due to transfers and redshirt rules on any type of relief. Let's see what happens next spring before we declare you the mastermind you claim to be.

White should be a stronger and better with this year under his belt.

It'll take a helluva qb to unseat him unless he just falls apart.

The best thing for Memphis football is for White to improve a little from this year and be the starter.

Fully agree until that last line. I think the best thing is for White to improve... and still lose out to a QB in the spring or fall. That would mean we would have a helluva better QB.

(11-25-2018 10:45 PM)Crazier Wrote:  McBride can run. He will be better in RPO offense.

But, not as good as a 6'4" stud who can move in the pocket and hit an index card from 30 yards ...

Anybody know where we can find one???

(11-27-2018 12:19 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(11-27-2018 12:15 PM)Newton card Wrote:  

(11-27-2018 11:27 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(11-27-2018 10:46 AM)karter25 Wrote:  

(11-27-2018 09:40 AM)Newton card Wrote:  My opinion; Norvell over estimated Whites ability, based on high school, maybe even pre injury days. A lot of what Norvell likes to do he couldn’t run.Some of the sideline conversations , Norvell was noticeably frustrated. His numbers were fine, but anyone in this system will have good stats.I’m not saying White won’t be the guy next year, but I do feel the job will be more open than most think.

Well said.

You two are dreaming.

Josh Pastner; Acc coach of the year. Stats can be misleading

Dude, coach of the year isn't a stat, it's a vote. Stats are stats.

You and karter need to drop this silliness that the backup QB is the best QB. Norvell knows what he is doing.

The stats are great and White is a good quarterback, but there really are cases where stats don't tell the whole story. Let's say McBride is slightly inferior to White when it comes to understanding the offense. Let's say he's slightly less accurate. Those would be hypothetical pluses for White.

Let's say that McBride has a stronger arm than White and can stretch the field and actually hit a few long passes. If this is a case, then McBride won't have to fit so many balls into tiny windows because the other team has all 11 defenders within 15 yards of the line of scrimmage. Let's say that some of those balls that White fits into tight windows become routine completions with McBride because the ball is getting there much quicker.

You can take it a step further. Let's say that McBride only takes half the sacks that White does because he is more mobile. Look at the last plays in the Navy and UCF games as an example. A more mobile quarterback could have either run for a first down against Navy, or wouldn't have been under such extreme pressure in both games because he could have avoided it. You also have to account for the fact that McBride is going to be able to run for more yards than White.

Odds are that White will be the starter next year, but if I was Norvell, I might be slightly intrigued by a coach's son who is a film room junkie, who is 10X faster with a much bigger arm. The main thing is that unless White shows a huge improvement in mobility and arm strength, he has a defined ceiling, and we are guaranteed to be good but not great.

So IMO, if Norvell is going for greatness, we probably don't have a shot at that with White. If McBride or another quarterback is less consistent, but has a higher ceiling, it changes everything.

(11-28-2018 05:13 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-27-2018 12:19 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(11-27-2018 12:15 PM)Newton card Wrote:  

(11-27-2018 11:27 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(11-27-2018 10:46 AM)karter25 Wrote:  Well said.

You two are dreaming.

Josh Pastner; Acc coach of the year. Stats can be misleading

Dude, coach of the year isn't a stat, it's a vote. Stats are stats.

You and karter need to drop this silliness that the backup QB is the best QB. Norvell knows what he is doing.

The stats are great and White is a good quarterback, but there really are cases where stats don't tell the whole story. Let's say McBride is slightly inferior to White when it comes to understanding the offense. Let's say he's slightly less accurate. Those would be hypothetical pluses for White.

Let's say that McBride has a stronger arm than White and can stretch the field and actually hit a few long passes. If this is a case, then McBride won't have to fit so many balls into tiny windows because the other team has all 11 defenders within 15 yards of the line of scrimmage. Let's say that some of those balls that White fits into tight windows become routine completions with McBride because the ball is getting there much quicker.

You can take it a step further. Let's say that McBride only takes half the sacks that White does because he is more mobile. Look at the last plays in the Navy and UCF games as an example. A more mobile quarterback could have either run for a first down against Navy, or wouldn't have been under such extreme pressure in both games because he could have avoided it. You also have to account for the fact that McBride is going to be able to run for more yards than White.

Odds are that White will be the starter next year, but if I was Norvell, I might be slightly intrigued by a coach's son who is a film room junkie, who is 10X faster with a much bigger arm. The main thing is that unless White shows a huge improvement in mobility and arm strength, he has a defined ceiling, and we are guaranteed to be good but not great.

So IMO, if Norvell is going for greatness, we probably don't have a shot at that with White. If McBride or another quarterback is less consistent, but has a higher ceiling, it changes everything.

And you gleaned all this info about McBride from him going 8-14 with 0 TDs and 1 interception in mop-up duty? The same McBride who was the 4th string QB until Davis and Moore left?

This is nothing more than the backup QB being the most popular QB. White will be one of the best returning QBs in college football next season, and there is no quarterback competition or controversy. Except on this board, of course.

Much of the dissatisfaction with Brady White is based upon his erratic play, especially in the rain. I believe his arm melts. He is a cerebral quarterback who doesn't make too many mistakes, but when he does they can be game changers that result in a lose. When everything is clicking the offense hums and White gets too much of the credit. When the offense isn't clicking it is usually because of White's play and he doesn't get his share of the blame. I wish him well and can only hope he improves more than he has over the course of this season.

(11-28-2018 09:10 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 05:13 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-27-2018 12:19 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(11-27-2018 12:15 PM)Newton card Wrote:  

(11-27-2018 11:27 AM)Tigx Wrote:  You two are dreaming.

Josh Pastner; Acc coach of the year. Stats can be misleading

Dude, coach of the year isn't a stat, it's a vote. Stats are stats.



You and karter need to drop this silliness that the backup QB is the best QB. Norvell knows what he is doing.

The stats are great and White is a good quarterback, but there really are cases where stats don't tell the whole story. Let's say McBride is slightly inferior to White when it comes to understanding the offense. Let's say he's slightly less accurate. Those would be hypothetical pluses for White.

Let's say that McBride has a stronger arm than White and can stretch the field and actually hit a few long passes. If this is a case, then McBride won't have to fit so many balls into tiny windows because the other team has all 11 defenders within 15 yards of the line of scrimmage. Let's say that some of those balls that White fits into tight windows become routine completions with McBride because the ball is getting there much quicker.

You can take it a step further. Let's say that McBride only takes half the sacks that White does because he is more mobile. Look at the last plays in the Navy and UCF games as an example. A more mobile quarterback could have either run for a first down against Navy, or wouldn't have been under such extreme pressure in both games because he could have avoided it. You also have to account for the fact that McBride is going to be able to run for more yards than White.

Odds are that White will be the starter next year, but if I was Norvell, I might be slightly intrigued by a coach's son who is a film room junkie, who is 10X faster with a much bigger arm. The main thing is that unless White shows a huge improvement in mobility and arm strength, he has a defined ceiling, and we are guaranteed to be good but not great.

So IMO, if Norvell is going for greatness, we probably don't have a shot at that with White. If McBride or another quarterback is less consistent, but has a higher ceiling, it changes everything.

And you gleaned all this info about McBride from him going 8-14 with 0 TDs and 1 interception in mop-up duty? The same McBride who was the 4th string QB until Davis and Moore left?

This is nothing more than the backup QB being the most popular QB. White will be one of the best returning QBs in college football next season, and there is no quarterback competition or controversy. Except on this board, of course.

Best returning QB in football? Wow. Quite an imagination.

So you THINK Norvell won't make White earn the start next year. I thought all good coaches made players earn their playing time. Didn't realize it was given. Interesting

You are referring to Brady White and not Danny White of years gone by.

Put Anthony Miller on this year's team, and White's numbers get even better. There have been some bad drops this year.

(11-27-2018 04:57 AM)karter25 Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 10:17 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 08:26 PM)karter25 Wrote:  I believe his last 2 passes were to the other team and pretty sure his last touchdown pass was to the other team.

I just took a quick look at the play by play and White actually completed at least 5 passes in the second half. We did have 277 yards rushing in the second half.

He completed 2 in the 1st half to Houston. One was a pick 6 and one killed a scoring drive. Both were pitiful throws. It wasn't even raining.

Both happened right in front of me. The first one was a really bad throw. The second was a poor play call, IMO.

(11-28-2018 07:03 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(11-27-2018 04:57 AM)karter25 Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 10:17 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 08:26 PM)karter25 Wrote:  I believe his last 2 passes were to the other team and pretty sure his last touchdown pass was to the other team.

I just took a quick look at the play by play and White actually completed at least 5 passes in the second half. We did have 277 yards rushing in the second half.

He completed 2 in the 1st half to Houston. One was a pick 6 and one killed a scoring drive. Both were pitiful throws. It wasn't even raining.

Both happened right in front of me. The first one was a really bad throw. The second was a poor play call, IMO.

Does a QB throw a blind pass across the field just because that play is called? Isn't he supposed to read the defense and if the intended receiver is covered, throw the ball away, run it or find another receiver.
You are correct on the 1st pass. It was SEVERAL yards short of our receiver. The 2nd pass looked like a hail mary that teams throw as the game is ending. It should have never been thrown.

On the bright side. Next year he will be one of the BEST returning QB in college football according to some. Even if he wasn't mentioned in conference awards today.

(11-28-2018 07:25 PM)karter25 Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 07:03 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(11-27-2018 04:57 AM)karter25 Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 10:17 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 08:26 PM)karter25 Wrote:  I believe his last 2 passes were to the other team and pretty sure his last touchdown pass was to the other team.

I just took a quick look at the play by play and White actually completed at least 5 passes in the second half. We did have 277 yards rushing in the second half.

He completed 2 in the 1st half to Houston. One was a pick 6 and one killed a scoring drive. Both were pitiful throws. It wasn't even raining.

Both happened right in front of me. The first one was a really bad throw. The second was a poor play call, IMO.

Does a QB throw a blind pass across the field just because that play is called? Isn't he supposed to read the defense and if the intended receiver is covered, throw the ball away, run it or find another receiver.
You are correct on the 1st pass. It was SEVERAL yards short of our receiver. The 2nd pass looked like a hail mary that teams throw as the game is ending. It should have never been thrown.

On the bright side. Next year he will be one of the BEST returning QB in college football according to some. Even if he wasn't mentioned in conference awards today.

Y'all do know that when a QB throws it directly to a defender, it isn't always on the QB?! Sometimes the WR runs the wrong route on a timing pass that they have been working on all week in practice.

The trick play that resulted in the 2nd INT was the same type of play, but just the defender just made a great play on the ball in not getting fooled on the play. It's an absolute risk and we are .500 on that play.

(11-28-2018 10:27 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 07:25 PM)karter25 Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 07:03 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(11-27-2018 04:57 AM)karter25 Wrote:  

(11-26-2018 10:17 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  I just took a quick look at the play by play and White actually completed at least 5 passes in the second half. We did have 277 yards rushing in the second half.

He completed 2 in the 1st half to Houston. One was a pick 6 and one killed a scoring drive. Both were pitiful throws. It wasn't even raining.

Both happened right in front of me. The first one was a really bad throw. The second was a poor play call, IMO.

Does a QB throw a blind pass across the field just because that play is called? Isn't he supposed to read the defense and if the intended receiver is covered, throw the ball away, run it or find another receiver.
You are correct on the 1st pass. It was SEVERAL yards short of our receiver. The 2nd pass looked like a hail mary that teams throw as the game is ending. It should have never been thrown.

On the bright side. Next year he will be one of the BEST returning QB in college football according to some. Even if he wasn't mentioned in conference awards today.

Y'all do know that when a QB throws it directly to a defender, it isn't always on the QB?! Sometimes the WR runs the wrong route on a timing pass that they have been working on all week in practice.

The trick play that resulted in the 2nd INT was the same type of play, but just the defender just made a great play on the ball in not getting fooled on the play. It's an absolute risk and we are .500 on that play.

Any body that has played FB or baseball knows, a right hander can't throw off his right foot, or put anything on the ball jumping off the ground. Our QB throws more than 50% of his passes this way. I don't know if a injury or what has caused him to have happy feet, it has to be all in his mind.I have seen him throw 8 or more great passes off his left foot, bullets dead on the money. The coaches and Qb knows what the problem is but it can't be changed with talk or him thinking about it. It has to come natural. I don't know what his injury was, but i would bet it was to his legs while throwing the ball. He has a fast release and I would bet in practice he throws pushing off his right foot to his left and throwing, is what he does. I've seen him in his warm ups and he is dead on. It is all in his head now and he needs to get over his fright, which is easy said but sometime impossible to do.