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Basketball Budgets 2017-2018
We need to get our budgets up another 1.5 million on average to compete with the MWC and the AAC.

National Rank School Amount

103 The University of Texas at El Paso $4,135,511
108 Old Dominion University $3,628,513
109 Rice University $3,599,914
117 University of Alabama at Birmingham $3,357,016
120 University of North Texas $3,281,375
126 Middle Tennessee State University $2,992,258
141 University of North Carolina at Charlotte $2,771,813
149 Western Kentucky University $2,618,066
159 Marshall University $2,512,872
163 Louisiana Tech University $2,491,705
195 Florida Atlantic University $2,063,811
201 The University of Texas at San Antonio $1,993,006
219 University of Southern Mississippi $1,835,983
225 Florida International University $1,814,629

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We all should be over 4. Preferably 5. It takes money. We are about to embark on raising money for basketball ourselves.
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Ain’t gonna happen at WKU. Hurting for $$ big time.
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clt says Charlotte will be higher. We are paying the sanchize more than price.
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Our ROI last year sucked.
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(04-15-2018 06:00 AM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  We all should be over 4. Preferably 5. It takes money. We are about to embark on raising money for basketball ourselves.

I assume this is the recruiting budget. Besides our international players our furthest basketball student athlete is Jannson Williams from Newnan GA (516 miles). The 2nd furthest is in state student athlete CJ Burks who hails from Martinsburg WV (342 miles), Martinsburg is just right outside of DC.

So far next years recruiting class comes from Williamson WV (78 miles) in Jeremy Dillon and Zanesville OH (132 miles) in Cameron Brooks Harris. Dan is after a kid from Columbus OH also for this year and Columbus is 134 miles from Huntington.

Dan said when he got here he was going to build the roster with mostly WV and surrounding area kids. His thought is that the state should be educating our own.

As long as Dan can win this way and recruit the local kids that can play on the DI level then the 2.512 million dollar recruiting budget is in line it what Dan is doing.
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(04-15-2018 12:51 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  
(04-15-2018 06:00 AM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  We all should be over 4. Preferably 5. It takes money. We are about to embark on raising money for basketball ourselves.

I assume this is the recruiting budget. Besides our international players our furthest basketball student athlete is Jannson Williams from Newnan GA (516 miles). The 2nd furthest is in state student athlete CJ Burks who hails from Martinsburg WV (342 miles), Martinsburg is just right outside of DC.

So far next years recruiting class comes from Williamson WV (78 miles) in Jeremy Dillon and Zanesville OH (132 miles) in Cameron Brooks Harris. Dan is after a kid from Columbus OH also for this year and Columbus is 134 miles from Huntington.

Dan said when he got here he was going to build the roster with mostly WV and surrounding area kids. His thought is that the state should be educating our own.

As long as Dan can win this way and recruit the local kids that can play on the DI level then the 2.512 million dollar recruiting budget is in line it what Dan is doing.

^ He's right, you know.
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I'm not positive about a lot of things UTSA these days, but I'm definitely feeling good about our ROI for UTSA Men's Basketball right now, and will feel even better when we're competing for the C-USA title next season.
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(04-15-2018 12:51 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  
(04-15-2018 06:00 AM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  We all should be over 4. Preferably 5. It takes money. We are about to embark on raising money for basketball ourselves.

I assume this is the recruiting budget. Besides our international players our furthest basketball student athlete is Jannson Williams from Newnan GA (516 miles). The 2nd furthest is in state student athlete CJ Burks who hails from Martinsburg WV (342 miles), Martinsburg is just right outside of DC.

So far next years recruiting class comes from Williamson WV (78 miles) in Jeremy Dillon and Zanesville OH (132 miles) in Cameron Brooks Harris. Dan is after a kid from Columbus OH also for this year and Columbus is 134 miles from Huntington.

Dan said when he got here he was going to build the roster with mostly WV and surrounding area kids. His thought is that the state should be educating our own.

As long as Dan can win this way and recruit the local kids that can play on the DI level then the 2.512 million dollar recruiting budget is in line it what Dan is doing.

If true, that's very admirable. I suppose the real test though would be if there were a number of really talented kids from out of state interested in playing for Marshall, and whether he'd turn them down for those local kids he says he wants. And the test for the fan base would likewise be whether they'd still support him if he turned away some more-talented out-of-state prospects.
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(04-15-2018 02:00 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  If true, that's very admirable. I suppose the real test though would be if there were a number of really talented kids from out of state interested in playing for Marshall, and whether he'd turn them down for those local kids he says he wants. And the test for the fan base would likewise be whether they'd still support him if he turned away some more-talented out-of-state prospects.

Local or otherwise they first have to be able to fit his system. Dan isn't going to go get a 4 star recruit that can't play in his system, just because he is 4 stars. If a kid has played in systems like Greg Marshall, Jeff Jones or Tony Bennett his whole basketball career then its safe to say Dan would pass on the kid.

I know of a few high rated kids that have contacted Marshall though the AD office or other coaches throughout the region and Dan has said no, simply because there is just no way they would be able to keep up in his offence.

I'll use UTEPs Omega Harris as an example. As good as Harris was his 4 years at UTEP there is no way he would have kept up in D'Antoni's system. The way Floyd coaches and the way D'antoni coaches is like night and day.

We have a few on the roster that can't keep up now, one in Juco Dani Koljanin that has already left because of it. I expect one maybe two more to go also. Both have graduated already.
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Why did he recruit the big fat kid if he won't take anyone that doesn't fit into his system. He sorta defeats your point.
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(04-14-2018 09:02 PM)MT FAN Wrote:  We need to get our budgets up another 1.5 million on average to compete with the MWC and the AAC.

National Rank School Amount

103 The University of Texas at El Paso $4,135,511
108 Old Dominion University $3,628,513
109 Rice University $3,599,914
117 University of Alabama at Birmingham $3,357,016
120 University of North Texas $3,281,375
126 Middle Tennessee State University $2,992,258
141 University of North Carolina at Charlotte $2,771,813
149 Western Kentucky University $2,618,066
159 Marshall University $2,512,872
163 Louisiana Tech University $2,491,705
195 Florida Atlantic University $2,063,811
201 The University of Texas at San Antonio $1,993,006
219 University of Southern Mississippi $1,835,983
225 Florida International University $1,814,629

*Copied from another board. I cannot verify these numbers.

Our AD is a basketball guy. He was on Eddie Sutton's staff at Oklahoma State. Baker has also stated his desire to see the North Texas programs consistently ranked among the top 3 in funding within C-USA, but that logic may be changing. Right now, North Texas is working on uping Seth Littrell's and Wren Baker's contracts. But, Baker was quoted as saying he is looking to bring Littrell's contract up to those of the better programs not only in C-USA, but also the AAC and MWC. With that kind of commitment, I think McCasland will be getting a raise too. I believe we will only see UNT's funding of basketball increase over the next several years. It will be interesting to see how these numbers change by this time next season.
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(04-15-2018 07:57 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  
(04-15-2018 02:00 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  If true, that's very admirable. I suppose the real test though would be if there were a number of really talented kids from out of state interested in playing for Marshall, and whether he'd turn them down for those local kids he says he wants. And the test for the fan base would likewise be whether they'd still support him if he turned away some more-talented out-of-state prospects.

Local or otherwise they first have to be able to fit his system. Dan isn't going to go get a 4 star recruit that can't play in his system, just because he is 4 stars. If a kid has played in systems like Greg Marshall, Jeff Jones or Tony Bennett his whole basketball career then its safe to say Dan would pass on the kid.

I know of a few high rated kids that have contacted Marshall though the AD office or other coaches throughout the region and Dan has said no, simply because there is just no way they would be able to keep up in his offence.

I'll use UTEPs Omega Harris as an example. As good as Harris was his 4 years at UTEP there is no way he would have kept up in D'Antoni's system. The way Floyd coaches and the way D'antoni coaches is like night and day.

We have a few on the roster that can't keep up now, one in Juco Dani Koljanin that has already left because of it. I expect one maybe two more to go also. Both have graduated already.

Well, many coaches avoid recruits who don't fit into their systems. So to rephrase within your paradigm, the real test would be whether he passes up more-talented kids from outside the state, who do fit into his system, in favor of the local kids he says he wants for his program. And the test for the fan base would likewise be whether they'd still support him if he turned away some more-talented out-of-state prospects who fit into his system.
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(04-15-2018 08:20 PM)Jack Bauer Wrote:  Why did he recruit the big fat kid if he won't take anyone that doesn't fit into his system. He sorta defeats your point.

Iran may weigh 320 right now and my guess his playing weight will be somewhere between 290-305 pounds, And he can actually run in D'Antonis system. He did it at Hargrave under AW Hamilton, who ran a similar system at Hargrave. My guess is everyone will know who Iran is before the season is over. Those who go to practice when he was cleared to practice in Dec said that he was rag dolling everyone without fouling. And these are the same people that told us that Penava would be a difference maker after not looking like a DI player his 1st 2 years.

(04-15-2018 08:34 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  Well, many coaches avoid recruits who don't fit into their systems. So to rephrase within your paradigm, the real test would be whether he passes up more-talented kids from outside the state, who do fit into his system, in favor of the local kids he says he wants for his program. And the test for the fan base would likewise be whether they'd still support him if he

Dan is going to take the best player that fits his system, but he is also going to keep those that can play DI basketball at home. The state of WV and surrounding areas have plenty of DI talent at the PG, SG and F positions. What WV usually doesn't have is true big men.

There is no better PG in the nation to fit D'Antoni than Charleston native Jon Elmore, not one. Are there better PGs out there, sure I don't have green glasses on to say that Jon is the best PG in the nation. But his skill set fits D'Antoni's system like a glove.

Ive also seen enough 4 star athletes to play at Marshall in basketball, football and other sports to know they all don't play "team first". And if you don't in D'Antoni's system the system would break down and not work.
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What is this budget thing you speak of?
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I thought ours was more in the range of 46 bucks
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(04-14-2018 09:02 PM)MT FAN Wrote:  We need to get our budgets up another 1.5 million on average to compete with the MWC and the AAC.

National Rank School Amount

103 The University of Texas at El Paso $4,135,511 / 32,709,050 = 12.6%
108 Old Dominion University $3,628,513 / 44,681,935 = 8.1%
109 Rice University $3,599,914 / NA = N/A
117 University of Alabama at Birmingham $3,357,016 / 32,453,663 = 10.3%
120 University of North Texas $3,281,375 / 33,278,988 = 9.8%
126 Middle Tennessee State University $2,992,258 / 32,412,731 = 9.2%
141 University of North Carolina at Charlotte $2,771,813 / 37,334,851 = 7.4%
149 Western Kentucky University $2,618,066 / 29,456,758 = 8.9%
159 Marshall University $2,512,872 / 30,164,189 = 8.3%
163 Louisiana Tech University $2,491,705 / 23,388,735 = 10.6%
195 Florida Atlantic University $2,063,811 / 32,141,210 = 6.4%
201 The University of Texas at San Antonio $1,993,006 / 27,426,009 = 7.2%
219 University of Southern Mississippi $1,835,983 / 25,915,460 = 7.1%
225 Florida International University $1,814,629 / 29,370,443 = 6.2%

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Was curious what the percentage was in comparison to the overall AD revenue. The average is 8.6%.

Here's where I got the numbers from:

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/
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(04-15-2018 07:57 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  
(04-15-2018 02:00 PM)Volkmar Wrote:  If true, that's very admirable. I suppose the real test though would be if there were a number of really talented kids from out of state interested in playing for Marshall, and whether he'd turn them down for those local kids he says he wants. And the test for the fan base would likewise be whether they'd still support him if he turned away some more-talented out-of-state prospects.

Local or otherwise they first have to be able to fit his system. Dan isn't going to go get a 4 star recruit that can't play in his system, just because he is 4 stars. If a kid has played in systems like Greg Marshall, Jeff Jones or Tony Bennett his whole basketball career then its safe to say Dan would pass on the kid.

I know of a few high rated kids that have contacted Marshall though the AD office or other coaches throughout the region and Dan has said no, simply because there is just no way they would be able to keep up in his offence.

I'll use UTEPs Omega Harris as an example. As good as Harris was his 4 years at UTEP there is no way he would have kept up in D'Antoni's system. The way Floyd coaches and the way D'antoni coaches is like night and day.

We have a few on the roster that can't keep up now, one in Juco Dani Koljanin that has already left because of it. I expect one maybe two more to go also. Both have graduated already.

Yet there is the 300 pound recruit that we are to believe is going to "keep up".
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(04-14-2018 09:02 PM)MT FAN Wrote:  We need to get our budgets up another 1.5 million on average to compete with the MWC and the AAC.

National Rank School Amount

103 The University of Texas at El Paso $4,135,511
108 Old Dominion University $3,628,513
109 Rice University $3,599,914
117 University of Alabama at Birmingham $3,357,016
120 University of North Texas $3,281,375
126 Middle Tennessee State University $2,992,258
141 University of North Carolina at Charlotte $2,771,813
149 Western Kentucky University $2,618,066
159 Marshall University $2,512,872
163 Louisiana Tech University $2,491,705
195 Florida Atlantic University $2,063,811
201 The University of Texas at San Antonio $1,993,006
219 University of Southern Mississippi $1,835,983
225 Florida International University $1,814,629

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Ok, where did they come from?
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Keep in mind that Rice's budget is artificially inflated by the "cost" of our scholarships.
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