(04-15-2018 12:34 AM)jamammy Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 12:30 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 12:28 AM)jamammy Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 12:24 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 12:11 AM)jamammy Wrote:  Back in 1978, he got popped for ineligible players at UCLA.

Ten years later, 1988, he got popped for giving Vincent Askew improper benefits in the form of a plane ride and some pocket money.

Meanwhile Dana Kirk ...

Highly sought after NBA coach, went from one team to the next.

Everybody wanted a piece of Larry Brown.

2013 or so a player's girlfriend does his homework.

Brown doesn't report it, I guess.

How many players have someone else do online course work?

LOL.

SMU gets slammed.

Meanwhile UNC does WAYYYYYYYYY worse and gets nothing.

I lived in Kansas for a few years and KU folks don’t give Brown the pass you seem to give him. From an article published in 1988 :

But not all the violations involved illegal payments to Askew because the committee said it "made additional findings of improper recruiting inducements, contacts and transportation related to the recruitment of this prospective transfer student-athlete, as well as one finding of improper entertainment for a different prospective student-athlete.”

Meanwhile Dana Kirk ...

And that’s your excuse for having Brown on the staff?

Ok, so ...

IF Dana Kirk was alive and well and still spry and Penny wanted him to come in and mentor coach for a year or two would you have a problem with that supposing that Dana stayed in coaching over the years somewhat?

LMAO

(04-15-2018 12:24 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 12:11 AM)jamammy Wrote:  Back in 1978, he got popped for ineligible players at UCLA.

Ten years later, 1988, he got popped for giving Vincent Askew improper benefits in the form of a plane ride and some pocket money.

Meanwhile Dana Kirk ...

Highly sought after NBA coach, went from one team to the next.

Everybody wanted a piece of Larry Brown.

2013 or so a player's girlfriend does his homework.

Brown doesn't report it, I guess.

How many players have someone else do online course work?

LOL.

SMU gets slammed.

Meanwhile UNC does WAYYYYYYYYY worse and gets nothing.

I lived in Kansas for a few years and KU folks don’t give Brown the pass you seem to give him. From an article published in 1988 :

as well as one finding of improper entertainment for a different prospective student-athlete.”

A kid went to dinner and a freaking movie?

Big deal.

(04-15-2018 02:01 AM)jamammy Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 12:24 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 12:11 AM)jamammy Wrote:  Back in 1978, he got popped for ineligible players at UCLA.

Ten years later, 1988, he got popped for giving Vincent Askew improper benefits in the form of a plane ride and some pocket money.

Meanwhile Dana Kirk ...

Highly sought after NBA coach, went from one team to the next.

Everybody wanted a piece of Larry Brown.

2013 or so a player's girlfriend does his homework.

Brown doesn't report it, I guess.

How many players have someone else do online course work?

LOL.

SMU gets slammed.

Meanwhile UNC does WAYYYYYYYYY worse and gets nothing.

I lived in Kansas for a few years and KU folks don’t give Brown the pass you seem to give him. From an article published in 1988 :

as well as one finding of improper entertainment for a different prospective student-athlete.”

A kid went to dinner and a freaking movie?

Big deal.

Tell that to KU
They were considered for the death penalty esp since the major infractions happened a few years after the football infractions. The money came from Brown and 3 other boosters. It wasn’t just Brown just handing over $1200 to Askew. It’s foolish to assume now that Brown had no idea.

Either way, all I see is deflection. If you really think Brown was naive and completely innocent, you should talk to some KU folks.

(04-15-2018 06:53 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 02:01 AM)jamammy Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 12:24 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 12:11 AM)jamammy Wrote:  Back in 1978, he got popped for ineligible players at UCLA.

Ten years later, 1988, he got popped for giving Vincent Askew improper benefits in the form of a plane ride and some pocket money.

Meanwhile Dana Kirk ...

Highly sought after NBA coach, went from one team to the next.

Everybody wanted a piece of Larry Brown.

2013 or so a player's girlfriend does his homework.

Brown doesn't report it, I guess.

How many players have someone else do online course work?

LOL.

SMU gets slammed.

Meanwhile UNC does WAYYYYYYYYY worse and gets nothing.

I lived in Kansas for a few years and KU folks don’t give Brown the pass you seem to give him. From an article published in 1988 :

as well as one finding of improper entertainment for a different prospective student-athlete.”

A kid went to dinner and a freaking movie?

Big deal.

Tell that to KU
They were considered for the death penalty esp since the major infractions happened a few years after the football infractions. The money came from Brown and 3 other boosters. It wasn’t just Brown just handing over $1200 to Askew. It’s foolish to assume now that Brown had no idea.

Either way, all I see is deflection. If you really think Brown was naive and completely innocent, you should talk to some KU folks.

Ask @kuboobs.

If 2 years ago, instead of hiring the Tub, Cal decided he was sick of KY and wanted to come back I am sure all the LB bashers would be all for it.

(04-15-2018 09:28 AM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 06:53 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 02:01 AM)jamammy Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 12:24 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 12:11 AM)jamammy Wrote:  Back in 1978, he got popped for ineligible players at UCLA.

Ten years later, 1988, he got popped for giving Vincent Askew improper benefits in the form of a plane ride and some pocket money.

Meanwhile Dana Kirk ...

Highly sought after NBA coach, went from one team to the next.

Everybody wanted a piece of Larry Brown.

2013 or so a player's girlfriend does his homework.

Brown doesn't report it, I guess.

How many players have someone else do online course work?

LOL.

SMU gets slammed.

Meanwhile UNC does WAYYYYYYYYY worse and gets nothing.

I lived in Kansas for a few years and KU folks don’t give Brown the pass you seem to give him. From an article published in 1988 :

as well as one finding of improper entertainment for a different prospective student-athlete.”

A kid went to dinner and a freaking movie?

Big deal.

Tell that to KU
They were considered for the death penalty esp since the major infractions happened a few years after the football infractions. The money came from Brown and 3 other boosters. It wasn’t just Brown just handing over $1200 to Askew. It’s foolish to assume now that Brown had no idea.

Either way, all I see is deflection. If you really think Brown was naive and completely innocent, you should talk to some KU folks.

Ask @kuboobs.

(04-15-2018 09:30 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  If 2 years ago, instead of hiring the Tub, Cal decided he was sick of KY and wanted to come back I am sure all the LB bashers would be all for it.

More deflection. Initially, folks minimized the extent of the infractions under Brown and now the Cal comparison is used. Cal has nothing to do with the LB situation and this staff.

As for me personally, I wouldn’t want him back. I’m grateful for the run we had under Cal but he’s one unscrupulous human being IMO and wouldn’t want him anywhere near the program now.

(04-15-2018 09:55 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 09:30 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  If 2 years ago, instead of hiring the Tub, Cal decided he was sick of KY and wanted to come back I am sure all the LB bashers would be all for it.

More deflection. Cal has nothing to do with the LB situation and this staff.

As for me personally, I wouldn’t want him back. I’m grateful for the run we had under Cal but he’s one unscrupulous human being IMO and wouldn’t want him anywhere near the program.

It isn't deflection at all. LB left three schools on probation. I don't care. If Penny wants him as an AC and Penny trusts him, then I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

(04-15-2018 09:58 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 09:55 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 09:30 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  If 2 years ago, instead of hiring the Tub, Cal decided he was sick of KY and wanted to come back I am sure all the LB bashers would be all for it.

More deflection. Cal has nothing to do with the LB situation and this staff.

As for me personally, I wouldn’t want him back. I’m grateful for the run we had under Cal but he’s one unscrupulous human being IMO and wouldn’t want him anywhere near the program.

It isn't deflection at all. LB left three schools on probation. I don't care. If Penny wants him as an AC and Penny trusts him, then I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

And that’s perfectly fine. But folks and admins weary about Brown as an assistant have valid reasons. Penny will be fine with or without Brown IMO. He’ll bring in talent and I believe he is a good leader; his team will respect and play hard for him.

(04-13-2018 08:10 AM)gusrob Wrote:  Have we not yet figured out that small schools get nailed to the cross while Blue Bloods operate the same way and walk away unscathed? UNC has had more proven violations than anyone. Not banned. No slap on the wrist. Will never happen. Louisville lost their coach and AD. Kansas will not. WRITE IT DOWN. MEMPHIS is looked at as a Mid-Major that shouldn't compete Nationally, and if we do win the national perception might be that we did something wrong. We will never be Top10 without skepticism nationally. We can't be clean and a national power. Let's just accept the "dirty" role. Whatever. Let's win and let everyone gripe and moan later. I've heard us referenced as the Raiders of the NCAA. Cool. Let's roll with it. We're not competing with Harvard for students, so who cares if we aren't perceived nationally as squeaky clean?!?!

Wish we had an AD who was at the end of his career and was willing to roll the dice. Would be sweet!! Having a truly top mind in the game (at all levels) as a low paid (compared to NCAA HC) assistant at MEMPHIS would have been AWESOME! But it's not going to happen.

The silver lining: Why was MEMPHIS in a position to hire a coach worthy of $2M+/year salary? And for an ASSISTANT role? Well the answer is Penny. The guy who has those types of relationships.....Penny. We still have THAT GUY. We still have a diamond in the rough. It may take some time to polish that diamond, but it will most likely happen. People in the basketball community respect Penny, recruits look up to Penny, parents of recruits watched/idolized Penny. We're ok. There are several people who would solidify this coaching staff. I don't like seeing Penny get jerked around, but he'll be fine.

(04-13-2018 08:55 AM)gusrob Wrote:  

(04-13-2018 08:23 AM)k2tigers Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 10:25 PM)Stammers Wrote:  [quote='BigTigerMike' pid='15245015' dateline='1523589681']
Penny can’t walk away and shouldn’t but if all of this behind the scene stuff about Bowen is true then he need to assert himself right now before Bowen asserts himself into Penny’s mission and messes it up

Penny has done enough asserting in the last 3 years. Maybe this is the admin's way of telling him to step off for once, or maybe they don't want a 3 times dirty coach on the staff, or maybe both.

If the administration had trouble running the program and the reason was outside influence then the admin isn't worth their weight in feathers. If you believe someone making $416,000 (listed) per year couldn't handle the duties of running the MEMPHIS Ath Dept because of something a local HS coach, alum and former BBall great was doing......wrap it up. Give him his pink slip. This is the single greatest argument I've heard for firing Bowen.

(04-13-2018 09:09 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(04-13-2018 09:03 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  If Penny's success as a head coach is dependent on an 80 year old man being his assistant, this is going to be a complete and utter train wreck.

No one ever said his success is dependent on Larry being here. But if that’s who he wants and Larry is cleared by NCAA to be hired, then let him hired him.

(04-13-2018 09:50 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(04-13-2018 09:03 AM)oruvoice Wrote:  If Penny's success as a head coach is dependent on an 80 year old man being his assistant, this is going to be a complete and utter train wreck.

That's a strawman ORU, that no one is claiming.

The issue is whether Penny is able to choose his staff or not.

Penny has a " legal" team certainly....Draw up a contract for AC position, with stipulations that Rudd will accept for LB and move forward.....Especially if Bowen has NOT had the gall to meet with Penny and Brown and leaked the " consultant" role with none of the aforementioned arrangements to discuss.....just go around;over;above the obstacle!

The amount of success; fan excitement; buy in from sponsors (NIKE)....gives 1Cent tremendous leverage that MUST be taken in consideration......

(04-15-2018 12:24 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 12:11 AM)jamammy Wrote:  Back in 1978, he got popped for ineligible players at UCLA.

Ten years later, 1988, he got popped for giving Vincent Askew improper benefits in the form of a plane ride and some pocket money.

Meanwhile UNC does WAYYYYYYYYY worse and gets nothing.

I lived in Kansas for a few years and KU folks don’t give Brown the pass you seem to give him. From an article published in 1988 :

But not all the violations involved illegal payments to Askew because the committee said it "made additional findings of improper recruiting inducements, contacts and transportation related to the recruitment of this prospective transfer student-athlete, as well as one finding of improper entertainment for a different prospective student-athlete.”

Guessing KU folks care a lot more about Brown winning the National Championship for Jayhawk Nation in '88 than about Brown giving Vinny Askew 350 bucks to visit his sick granna.

(04-15-2018 08:57 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 12:24 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 12:11 AM)jamammy Wrote:  Back in 1978, he got popped for ineligible players at UCLA.

Ten years later, 1988, he got popped for giving Vincent Askew improper benefits in the form of a plane ride and some pocket money.

Meanwhile UNC does WAYYYYYYYYY worse and gets nothing.

I lived in Kansas for a few years and KU folks don’t give Brown the pass you seem to give him. From an article published in 1988 :

But not all the violations involved illegal payments to Askew because the committee said it "made additional findings of improper recruiting inducements, contacts and transportation related to the recruitment of this prospective transfer student-athlete, as well as one finding of improper entertainment for a different prospective student-athlete.”

Guessing KU folks care a lot more about Brown winning the National Championship for Jayhawk Nation in '88 than about Brown giving Vinny Askew 350 bucks to visit his sick granna.

Umm $1200+ total including money from boosters. KU folks think it’s humiliating that they couldn’t defend their championship cuz of a ban. The fan base is divided kinda like we are on Cal. But it was worse as KU was considered for the death penalty.

(04-15-2018 09:07 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 08:57 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 12:24 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 12:11 AM)jamammy Wrote:  Back in 1978, he got popped for ineligible players at UCLA.

Ten years later, 1988, he got popped for giving Vincent Askew improper benefits in the form of a plane ride and some pocket money.

Meanwhile UNC does WAYYYYYYYYY worse and gets nothing.

I lived in Kansas for a few years and KU folks don’t give Brown the pass you seem to give him. From an article published in 1988 :

But not all the violations involved illegal payments to Askew because the committee said it "made additional findings of improper recruiting inducements, contacts and transportation related to the recruitment of this prospective transfer student-athlete, as well as one finding of improper entertainment for a different prospective student-athlete.”

Guessing KU folks care a lot more about Brown winning the National Championship for Jayhawk Nation in '88 than about Brown giving Vinny Askew 350 bucks to visit his sick granna.

Umm $1200+ total including money from boosters. KU folks think it’s humiliating that they couldn’t defend their championship cuz of a ban. The fan base is divided kinda like we are on Cal. But it was worse as KU was considered for the death penalty.

Still pretty sure Jayhawks would happily trade a Natty for what in retrospect are pretty minor violations, don't you?

(04-15-2018 09:12 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 09:07 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 08:57 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 12:24 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 12:11 AM)jamammy Wrote:  Back in 1978, he got popped for ineligible players at UCLA.

Ten years later, 1988, he got popped for giving Vincent Askew improper benefits in the form of a plane ride and some pocket money.

Meanwhile UNC does WAYYYYYYYYY worse and gets nothing.

I lived in Kansas for a few years and KU folks don’t give Brown the pass you seem to give him. From an article published in 1988 :

But not all the violations involved illegal payments to Askew because the committee said it "made additional findings of improper recruiting inducements, contacts and transportation related to the recruitment of this prospective transfer student-athlete, as well as one finding of improper entertainment for a different prospective student-athlete.”

Guessing KU folks care a lot more about Brown winning the National Championship for Jayhawk Nation in '88 than about Brown giving Vinny Askew 350 bucks to visit his sick granna.

Umm $1200+ total including money from boosters. KU folks think it’s humiliating that they couldn’t defend their championship cuz of a ban. The fan base is divided kinda like we are on Cal. But it was worse as KU was considered for the death penalty.

Still pretty sure Jayhawks would happily trade a Natty for what in retrospect are pretty minor violations, don't you?

I would cuz we don't get a chance that often.
But these weren't minor violations for KU. They were banned from playing in the tourney the year after they won it all. They also almost got the death penalty as the infractions happened a few years after the football infractions. For them, these weren't minor. I have a lot of KU friends and they seem to treat Brown kind like we do with Cal.

(04-15-2018 09:25 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 09:12 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 09:07 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 08:57 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 12:24 AM)tiger1016 Wrote:  I lived in Kansas for a few years and KU folks don’t give Brown the pass you seem to give him. From an article published in 1988 :

But not all the violations involved illegal payments to Askew because the committee said it "made additional findings of improper recruiting inducements, contacts and transportation related to the recruitment of this prospective transfer student-athlete, as well as one finding of improper entertainment for a different prospective student-athlete.”

Guessing KU folks care a lot more about Brown winning the National Championship for Jayhawk Nation in '88 than about Brown giving Vinny Askew 350 bucks to visit his sick granna.

Umm $1200+ total including money from boosters. KU folks think it’s humiliating that they couldn’t defend their championship cuz of a ban. The fan base is divided kinda like we are on Cal. But it was worse as KU was considered for the death penalty.

Still pretty sure Jayhawks would happily trade a Natty for what in retrospect are pretty minor violations, don't you?

I would cuz we don't get a chance that often.
But these weren't minor violations for KU. They were banned from playing in the tourney the year after they won it all. They also almost got the death penalty as the infractions happened a few years after the football infractions. For them, these weren't minor. I have a lot of KU friends and they seem to treat Brown kind like we do with Cal.

Aww.

Poor things.

They are still reeling over it 30 years later hunh?

I see you trolling.

(04-16-2018 12:16 AM)jamammy Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 09:25 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 09:12 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 09:07 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(04-15-2018 08:57 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Guessing KU folks care a lot more about Brown winning the National Championship for Jayhawk Nation in '88 than about Brown giving Vinny Askew 350 bucks to visit his sick granna.

Umm $1200+ total including money from boosters. KU folks think it’s humiliating that they couldn’t defend their championship cuz of a ban. The fan base is divided kinda like we are on Cal. But it was worse as KU was considered for the death penalty.

Still pretty sure Jayhawks would happily trade a Natty for what in retrospect are pretty minor violations, don't you?

I would cuz we don't get a chance that often.
But these weren't minor violations for KU. They were banned from playing in the tourney the year after they won it all. They also almost got the death penalty as the infractions happened a few years after the football infractions. For them, these weren't minor. I have a lot of KU friends and they seem to treat Brown kind like we do with Cal.

Aww.

Poor things.

They are still reeling over it 30 years later hunh?

I see you trolling.

Ehh
Same as the opinions we Memphians have over Cal.

Do you spend time thinking about Cal?
Or if someone asks your opinion, then you would state how you feel?
It’s the same with long time KU fans when it comes to Brown.

But what do I know? You are the all knowing and are always right.

(04-12-2018 07:56 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 07:54 PM)tigerlands Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 07:50 PM)Julian Wrote:  

(04-12-2018 07:14 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  I must have missed SMU’s top 10 results when Brown was coach.

It’s all about recruits; get top level recruits and don’t be a crappy leader like Pastner and we’ll be fine.

SMU only had 7 winning seasons between 1994-2012 before Larry Brown turned around that program.

Penny is definitely a great leader and players look up to him, unlike goober Pastner.

Yes, and now SMU is on NCAA probation, tourney bans and reduction of nine recruits.

Yeah the NCAA really showed UNC not to cheat. If they do it again, the NCAA may just punish them by giving SMU the death penalty.

Exactly.