(04-11-2018 03:01 PM)tigerjohn Wrote:  Is the Memphis AD job that bad to always be looking for something else? If so why ?

Not really.

Bowen's been here a while. He did a great job at an AD with FAR more institutional restrictions and lack of support, and he's done a good job for a long time here. It's no different than us hiring an up-and-comer and him wanting to leave for a better football program.

(04-11-2018 11:37 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

Fire Bowen and hire Brown and you have a win win situation.

(04-11-2018 03:26 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 12:52 PM)Shooters Wrote:  ...
Besides, it’s creating a very bad look for Bowen in a skirmish he can’t win no matter what he does now.
..

Ionno. If he's looking for a Big10 or Pac10 job to bolt to, "stood up against public pressure to hire coach who's a three time NCAA loser" might actually be a good line on the old CV.

Sure. It might offset the part where he got 'popped for having the same agent as the Head Coach with whomehe negotiated the contract of abomination...'

Didn't really hurt anything, but didn't look good.

I know I know...All Bowenboys can save their breaths. I got the Mantra
down pat: Bowen fixed Football. Bowen saved the whole Athletic dept. B.B was an act of God In Bowen we trust!

It’s hard to understand how people still think Bowen is calling the shots on decisions like this. Rudd has stated that all significant basketball decisions land on his desk. He picks up the phone and calls a few people to get their input and Bowen communicates his decision to the relevant parties.

If you want a boogeyman, look at our BOR. Go tweet about how Brad Martin and Alan Graf should be fired.

I am not a Bowenboy, nor am I a Bowengirl, nor do I think he should be fired.

Rule number one: You don't bite the hands that feed you.

Escape goats come and go, especially when they want to escape.

Money is harder to replace

(04-11-2018 03:55 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  I am not a Bowenboy, nor am I a Bowengirl, nor do I think he should be fired.

I have no op pinion on whether he should be fired either way, but I wouldn't like it if he were.

I just want Penny to get his way. lol

(04-11-2018 03:55 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  I am not a Bowenboy, nor am I a Bowengirl, nor do I think he should be fired.

Bowenother?

(04-11-2018 03:58 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 03:55 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  I am not a Bowenboy, nor am I a Bowengirl, nor do I think he should be fired.

I have no op pinion on whether he should be fired either way, but I wouldn't like it if he were.

I just want Penny to get his way. lol

There’s no doubt that Penny is trying to leverage his cache to change our admin’s mind, I hope he gets his way too. There wouldn’t be a better assistant coach staff in the NCAA if Brown gets hired. The benefit outweighs the risk imo, but I’m not privy to the NCAA’s file on Brown. Something tells me it’s long and filled with all caps angry exclamations

(04-11-2018 03:49 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 03:26 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 12:52 PM)Shooters Wrote:  ...
Besides, it’s creating a very bad look for Bowen in a skirmish he can’t win no matter what he does now.
..

Ionno. If he's looking for a Big10 or Pac10 job to bolt to, "stood up against public pressure to hire coach who's a three time NCAA loser" might actually be a good line on the old CV.

Sure. It might offset the part where he got 'popped for having the same agent as the Head Coach with whomehe negotiated the contract of abomination...'

Didn't really hurt anything, but didn't look good.

I know I know...All Bowenboys can save their breaths. I got the Mantra
down pat: Bowen fixed Football. Bowen saved the whole Athletic dept. B.B was an act of God In Bowen we trust!

He did quite a bit of good
He has faults and the b'ball program went down hill under him

It's good to balance both the successes and failures instead of painting him as the guy who destroyed everything dear to Memphis athletics.

But keep on keeping on

(04-11-2018 04:07 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 03:49 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 03:26 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 12:52 PM)Shooters Wrote:  ...
Besides, it’s creating a very bad look for Bowen in a skirmish he can’t win no matter what he does now.
..

Ionno. If he's looking for a Big10 or Pac10 job to bolt to, "stood up against public pressure to hire coach who's a three time NCAA loser" might actually be a good line on the old CV.

Sure. It might offset the part where he got 'popped for having the same agent as the Head Coach with whomehe negotiated the contract of abomination...'

Didn't really hurt anything, but didn't look good.

I know I know...All Bowenboys can save their breaths. I got the Mantra
down pat: Bowen fixed Football. Bowen saved the whole Athletic dept. B.B was an act of God In Bowen we trust!

He did quite a bit of good
He has faults and the b'ball program went down hill under him

It's good to balance both the successes and failures instead of painting him as the guy who destroyed everything dear to Memphis athletics.

But keep on keeping on

The basketball program went down bc Raines and a key booster were enamored with Pastner and wanted to keep him at all costs, and then our President/Graf made a bad hire to replace him. It happens, we’ve moved on, nothing but blue skies headed our way.

(04-11-2018 04:07 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 03:49 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 03:26 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 12:52 PM)Shooters Wrote:  ...
Besides, it’s creating a very bad look for Bowen in a skirmish he can’t win no matter what he does now.
..

Ionno. If he's looking for a Big10 or Pac10 job to bolt to, "stood up against public pressure to hire coach who's a three time NCAA loser" might actually be a good line on the old CV.

Sure. It might offset the part where he got 'popped for having the same agent as the Head Coach with whomehe negotiated the contract of abomination...'

Didn't really hurt anything, but didn't look good.

I know I know...All Bowenboys can save their breaths. I got the Mantra
down pat: Bowen fixed Football. Bowen saved the whole Athletic dept. B.B was an act of God In Bowen we trust!

He did quite a bit of good
He has faults and the b'ball program went down hill under him

It's good to balance both the successes and failures instead of painting him as the guy who destroyed everything dear to Memphis athletics.

But keep on keeping on

Thanks for the ok to keep on...lol. But you are misinterpreting.

I want Penny to get what he wants. Period.

I happen to think firing is not a reasonable option, and wouldn't like to see that happen.

Edit: I almost forgot. One more thing would be nice...Football should not be docked nor should it ever have to fund B.B.

(04-11-2018 03:49 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  ...
Sure. It might offset the part where he got 'popped for having the same agent as the Head Coach with whomehe negotiated the contract of abomination...'

...

A) There wasnothing wrong with that. It was only a potential conflict at worst and it's a pretty common situation in college atheltics. And he didn't get "popped" for it. That was the admin looking for any excuse to get out of the contract.

B) The contract itself wasn't bad. Most of the provisions are pretty normal in coaching contracts. The problem is that we gave that valuable of a contract to Josh based on smoke and mirrors because we didn't want to let USC outbid us for him.

By 'popped' I meant it got found out by the public.

Also the problem with that contract was how it got pitched to the 'boosters' that signed it.

From what I was told, each big booster feller got only his part of the contract and not the whole dang thing. lol (Again, that might have only been one person's experience.)

There were so many things at play during that renewal and there always are when it comes to how big 'organizations' move and groove. I really don't understand how people can take sides when it comes to Admin because admin folks almost have to finagle, juggle and shcmooze their brains out to get things done.

(04-11-2018 04:13 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 04:07 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 03:49 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 03:26 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 12:52 PM)Shooters Wrote:  ...
Besides, it’s creating a very bad look for Bowen in a skirmish he can’t win no matter what he does now.
..

Ionno. If he's looking for a Big10 or Pac10 job to bolt to, "stood up against public pressure to hire coach who's a three time NCAA loser" might actually be a good line on the old CV.

Sure. It might offset the part where he got 'popped for having the same agent as the Head Coach with whomehe negotiated the contract of abomination...'

Didn't really hurt anything, but didn't look good.

I know I know...All Bowenboys can save their breaths. I got the Mantra
down pat: Bowen fixed Football. Bowen saved the whole Athletic dept. B.B was an act of God In Bowen we trust!

He did quite a bit of good
He has faults and the b'ball program went down hill under him

It's good to balance both the successes and failures instead of painting him as the guy who destroyed everything dear to Memphis athletics.

But keep on keeping on

Thanks for the ok to keep on...lol. But you are misinterpreting.

I want Penny to get what he wants. Period.

I happen to think firing is not a reasonable option, and wouldn't like to see that happen.

Edit: I almost forgot. One more thing would be nice...Football should not be docked nor should it ever have to fund B.B.

After basketball has funded football $100-$125M over past 30 years?

Why didn’t they just say to Penny before he signed the contract that they didn’t want Larry? They knew that he was interested in hiring him before that

I've been telling u Dudes, Larry would be a member of Penny's staff because of his knowledge of the ncaa rules

(04-11-2018 05:20 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  Why didn’t they just say to Penny before he signed the contract that they didn’t want Larry? They knew that he was interested in hiring him before that

Why didn't they make the Lawson position clear to all parties before that fateful Tubby hire? I think the answer is the same for both questions.

U have to put together the best staff possible u can period...smh we keep shooting ourselves in the foot....we our our own worst enemy.

(04-11-2018 06:45 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 05:20 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  Why didn’t they just say to Penny before he signed the contract that they didn’t want Larry? They knew that he was interested in hiring him before that

Why didn't they make the Lawson position clear to all parties before that fateful Tubby hire? I think the answer is the same for both questions.

O,what a tangled web we weave when first we practise to deceive!

Signed ~ Thomas Michael Bowen