(04-11-2018 09:38 AM)steves Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 09:25 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 09:23 AM)steves Wrote:  Might as well get a recliner and a big screen for our resident NCAA enforcement agent. Maybe he could share Browns office. Like driving a red Ferrari ... " pull me over ... If I wasn't speeding, I will be any second".

Can you give me some examples of what you think LB will be doing to cause problems?

Just being Larry Brown ... He draws attention ... Like a red Ferrari.
He does what he needs to do to win ... Which has been breaking the rules to get players. Need more ...

Yeah, I agree with him drawing attention. I just can't see him being a bag man or doing anything that might cause problems.

No doubt he has a past, but when you really look at what has happened, there is little I can fault him for doing..

UCLA was cheating, they were cheating with John Wooden, they were cheating with "Clean" Gene Bartow, and they were cheating with LB. LB wasn't cheating, UCLA was and he just happened to be the coach at the time.

At Kansas he gave money for a plane ticket and clothes to Vincent Askew to visit his sick grandmother. None of his players were involved. While the NCAA hit him for it, it is hard to say helping a kid see his sick grandmother is a terrible thing.

Then SMU, a player was turning in a tutor's work for his own. LB didn't report it timely and was accused of misleading the NCAA.

I can fault LB for misleading the NCAA, not for much of anything else though.

(04-11-2018 09:41 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 09:13 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 08:29 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 08:24 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  The NCAA will be focusing on Memphis regardless of the hire of Brown because a resurgent Tiger program threatens the entrenched powers.

We have to be very careful about compliance and watching Brown is just another item on the list.

Exactly, the NCAA is already here and asking questions. My opinion is that Penny will turn this program around fairly quickly and to a high level which will bring even more scrutiny but it is what it is.

This is news to me. Do you mean this literally or figuratively?

Calkins said the other day that NCAA was in town snooping around and asking questions according to people around Penny

Thanks, I wasn't aware of that. Looks like we might be the scapegoat for all the schools nailed by the FBI.

(04-11-2018 09:46 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  Larry Brown would be a great hire. A great coach that could really help this staff. We don’t need him on the road recruiting, just X’s and O’s and player development. He’s one of the best.

He's not the only one ... And he cheats ... Badly !!!

(04-11-2018 09:52 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 09:41 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 09:13 AM)TigerBill Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 08:29 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 08:24 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  The NCAA will be focusing on Memphis regardless of the hire of Brown because a resurgent Tiger program threatens the entrenched powers.

We have to be very careful about compliance and watching Brown is just another item on the list.

Exactly, the NCAA is already here and asking questions. My opinion is that Penny will turn this program around fairly quickly and to a high level which will bring even more scrutiny but it is what it is.

This is news to me. Do you mean this literally or figuratively?

Calkins said the other day that NCAA was in town snooping around and asking questions according to people around Penny

Thanks, I wasn't aware of that. Looks like we might be the scapegoat for all the schools nailed by the FBI.

I was listening to Calkins' show a few mornings ago and he stated he has been in favor of and there was a hell of a movement locally for the hire. But he had spoke to a number of coaches and administrators across the country that thought it to be a bad idea. He even mentioned that at one college where the NCAA was conducting a compliance class the presenters said Larry was public enemy number one. Also said more outsiders didn't think he could not adapt to being not the head coach. I have always been in favor of the hire but it does make you think.

This is not an "if" its "when". Brown and Miller will be hired soon. Bowen is painstakingly doing his due-diligence to make sure everything is above board for both, now its down to ironing out the final details. Miller, like Penny, was heavily involved personally and financially with AAU basketball, shoe companies etc. It takes time to cut off all ties, prep M33M for its next phase, and to make sure there are no issues as he transitions to college BB. Penny wants to make sure everything is above board too. The last thing he wants is compliance issues right off the bat. Recruits no they're both coming too. You're not going to hear a recruit mention their name until they're officially hired. This is going to be a great staff, with a mix of coaching chops, recruiting connections, and national recognition.

(04-11-2018 09:52 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 09:38 AM)steves Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 09:25 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 09:23 AM)steves Wrote:  Might as well get a recliner and a big screen for our resident NCAA enforcement agent. Maybe he could share Browns office. Like driving a red Ferrari ... " pull me over ... If I wasn't speeding, I will be any second".

Can you give me some examples of what you think LB will be doing to cause problems?

Just being Larry Brown ... He draws attention ... Like a red Ferrari.
He does what he needs to do to win ... Which has been breaking the rules to get players. Need more ...

Yeah, I agree with him drawing attention. I just can't see him being a bag man or doing anything that might cause problems.

No doubt he has a past, but when you really look at what has happened, there is little I can fault him for doing..

UCLA was cheating, they were cheating with John Wooden, they were cheating with "Clean" Gene Bartow, and they were cheating with LB. LB wasn't cheating, UCLA was and he just happened to be the coach at the time.

At Kansas he gave money for a plane ticket and clothes to Vincent Askew to visit his sick grandmother. None of his players were involved. While the NCAA hit him for it, it is hard to say helping a kid see his sick grandmother is a terrible thing.

Then SMU, a player was turning in a tutor's work for his own. LB didn't report it timely and was accused of misleading the NCAA.

I can fault LB for misleading the NCAA, not for much of anything else though.

Thanks for outlining the LB 'transgressions.' ---- that some here are so worried about. I'd hire him as an assistant yesterday. Even more so if my head coach trusted and wanted him.

(04-11-2018 10:13 AM)mthom Wrote:  This is not an "if" its "when". Brown and Miller will be hired soon. Bowen is painstakingly doing his due-diligence to make sure everything is above board for both, now its down to ironing out the final details. Miller, like Penny, was heavily involved personally and financially with AAU basketball, shoe companies etc. It takes time to cut off all ties, prep M33M for its next phase, and to make sure there are no issues as he transitions to college BB. Penny wants to make sure everything is above board too. The last thing he wants is compliance issues right off the bat. Recruits no they're both coming too. You're not going to hear a recruit mention their name until they're officially hired. This is going to be a great staff, with a mix of coaching chops, recruiting connections, and national recognition.

Well there you are ... We're going to buy a red Ferrari and put a governor on it so it won't go over 45 miles per hour. Thanks

No we're buying a red Ferrari, and making sure we have some insurance before we burn 90MPH out of the parking lot and take the highways by storm.

BTW - Calkins and John Martin were just talking about this and said this guy has tweeted them both in the past with "breaking news." He broke Memphis to the Big 12. He also broke Partner changing his whole staff and remaining at Memphis.

(04-11-2018 09:42 AM)steves Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 09:25 AM)Coolidge1 Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 08:16 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 07:25 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 06:32 AM)JTiger Wrote:  Everybody said the same thing about Tubby

Tubby, I think, would also excel (although not to the extent as Brown) in the role envisioned for Brown at Memphis.

I wouldn't want Tubby anywhere near an up and coming coach. Next thing you know you will have the next reincarnation of Saul thinking he shouldn't do anything but collect a check and even then deserves more.

Funny ... We should've told Tubby ... We're hiring Penny Hardaway to be our Head Coach ... But we want to keep you on as an assistant. I'm sure you won't mind ...

Pretty much what he was doing.

(04-11-2018 10:22 AM)mthom Wrote:  No we're buying a red Ferrari, and making sure we have some insurance before we burn 90MPH out of the parking lot and take the highways by storm.

Or we could be safe, follow Bowens lead, and purchase a white mini van. One like Saul's.

I'm not defending Bowen or anything. I think he's in over his head when it comes to running a high level D1 basketball program. I think he's making sure everything is on above board on the front end. A HC sponsored by a shoe company and HS head coach, a assistant with a checkered past, and another assistant directly connected to AAU is making it a more complicated issue if Penny would have hired Madlock, Barbee, and Rockaforte for example.

Bowen needs to move over

Or get run over

The train is a comin’

(04-11-2018 10:36 AM)mthom Wrote:  I'm not defending Bowen or anything. I think he's in over his head when it comes to running a high level D1 basketball program. I think he's making sure everything is on above board on the front end. A HC sponsored by a shoe company and HS head coach, a assistant with a checkered past, and another assistant directly connected to AAU is making it a more complicated issue if Penny would have hired Madlock, Barbee, and Rockaforte for example.

I would be more concerned about Barbee and Rockaforte. They learned from the best at playing the gray areas, at the same time, they aren't the best and would probably end up getting hammered.

(04-11-2018 09:52 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 09:38 AM)steves Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 09:25 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 09:23 AM)steves Wrote:  Might as well get a recliner and a big screen for our resident NCAA enforcement agent. Maybe he could share Browns office. Like driving a red Ferrari ... " pull me over ... If I wasn't speeding, I will be any second".

Can you give me some examples of what you think LB will be doing to cause problems?

Just being Larry Brown ... He draws attention ... Like a red Ferrari.
He does what he needs to do to win ... Which has been breaking the rules to get players. Need more ...

Yeah, I agree with him drawing attention. I just can't see him being a bag man or doing anything that might cause problems.

No doubt he has a past, but when you really look at what has happened, there is little I can fault him for doing..

UCLA was cheating, they were cheating with John Wooden, they were cheating with "Clean" Gene Bartow, and they were cheating with LB. LB wasn't cheating, UCLA was and he just happened to be the coach at the time.

At Kansas he gave money for a plane ticket and clothes to Vincent Askew to visit his sick grandmother. None of his players were involved. While the NCAA hit him for it, it is hard to say helping a kid see his sick grandmother is a terrible thing.

Then SMU, a player was turning in a tutor's work for his own. LB didn't report it timely and was accused of misleading the NCAA.

I can fault LB for misleading the NCAA, not for much of anything else though.

Askew didn't play for Kansas and was considering a transfer from Memphis to Kansas. So Brown giving him a plane ticket and clothes can be viewed as a way to get him to transfer from a school where he was already enrolled and a scholarship player. That is clearly an extra benefit and a shady one at that.

Can we change thread title? The guy who “broke” this is obviously special needs and looking for attention.

(04-11-2018 10:36 AM)mthom Wrote:  I'm not defending Bowen or anything. I think he's in over his head when it comes to running a high level D1 basketball program. I think he's making sure everything is on above board on the front end. A HC sponsored by a shoe company and HS head coach, a assistant with a checkered past, and another assistant directly connected to AAU is making it a more complicated issue if Penny would have hired Madlock, Barbee, and Rockaforte for example.

He won't sleep a wink tonight after reading this.

Bowen has given the green light for brown As a consultant. Not assistant.

yep

(04-11-2018 10:55 AM)Dak10 Wrote:  Can we change thread title? The guy who “broke” this is obviously special needs and looking for attention.

I believe you are correct.