(04-10-2018 09:05 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Dershowitz...further proving he's been reduced to nothing more than a Fox noise shill.

C'mon guys...think a little here. There is NO WAY all the people in the highest positions in the FBI and the Justice Department would have authorized this if they did not have the goods on Cohen.

Best to prepare yourself now. The guy is toast. You don't order this on the personal lawyer of a sitting president on a whim..or as trump likes to yell, A WITCH HUNT!

Lol. State department officials also don’t release transcripts of presidential conversations with foreign leaders. FBI leaders don’t create “back up” plans to nullify elections. FBI officials don’t use fake information to get FISA warrants. Yet...it actually has happened.

Like I said, the raid essentially signals that Trump is not a target as anything discovered can’t be used against Trump due to lawyer-client privilege. In fact, due to the fruit of the poison tree doctrine, you could potentially unwittingly undermine multiple aspects of any case against Trump. Nobody would do this if they had any intention of going after Trump. That’s bad news for the left wing nut crazies on CNN and MSNBC.

(04-10-2018 09:24 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 09:20 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  In my opinion the big difference between Trump and Clinton is Clinton was smart enough not to piss off the establishment. She is a crook, but she works within the informal rules of D.C. politics, so she gets a pass.

Well, there ya have it folks. A poster who has probably laughed at us and called us crazy for talking about the swamp, just admits that it exists, that its inhabitants make the rules, and if you don't toe the line, you get your ass in a bind.

So there's the establishment and its laws, and the laws for everyone else.

as the foul mouth'd Fonz would say, "XAC-2-FKN-MUNDO!"

(04-10-2018 09:40 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 09:36 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 09:25 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 09:20 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  In my opinion the big difference between Trump and Clinton is Clinton was smart enough not to piss off the establishment.

As a Lefty, you don't seem to understand that it IS the Establishment that is crooked and needs to be destroyed in order to preserve this Republic. Those that work within the Establishment become tainted by it. It is evil, bloated, corrupted, and a self-feeding mess that at least Trump sees for what it is and is trying to prune it back. It's also why they are coming after him.

I absolutely understand. I simply don't believe you can put a crook in office and expect him to make any meaningful changes. In fact, based on his cabinet appointments, it looks like he's dragged us even further into the swamp.

You guys want to focus on the "good" these people are doing within the agency's, but fail to acknowledge how they are profiting in their positions. They are thieves in sheeps clothing.

Compared to whom? Please point me to the paragons of virtue that the previous administration appointed to high office that are so much better.

All politicians are crocks, and so are their flunkies!

I don't expect people to be perfect or even good, but I do expect my government to be limited and small so that imperfect people can't benefit from overly powerful government institutions. If Trump kills off just one of these bloated fat-cow government agencies I'll be thrilled. If he can kill off the FBI, even better.

I just denounced political atheism with that AMEN!

(04-10-2018 09:45 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 09:05 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Dershowitz...further proving he's been reduced to nothing more than a Fox noise shill.

C'mon guys...think a little here. There is NO WAY all the people in the highest positions in the FBI and the Justice Department would have authorized this if they did not have the goods on Cohen.

Best to prepare yourself now. The guy is toast. You don't order this on the personal lawyer of a sitting president on a whim..or as trump likes to yell, A WITCH HUNT!

Lol. State department officials also don’t release transcripts of presidential conversations with foreign leaders. FBI leaders don’t create “back up” plans to nullify elections. FBI officials don’t use fake information to get FISA warrants. Yet...it actually has happened.

Like I said, the raid essentially signals that Trump is not a target as anything discovered can’t be used against Trump due to lawyer-client privilege. In fact, due to the fruit of the poison tree doctrine, you could potentially unwittingly undermine multiple aspects of any case against Trump. Nobody would do this if they had any intention of going after Trump. That’s bad news for the left wing nut crazies on CNN and MSNBC.

Simply not true. Criminal activity is not covered by privilege. If they find criminal activity that involves trump, Russia or not, it is not covered, period.

(04-10-2018 09:05 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Dershowitz...further proving he's been reduced to nothing more than a Fox noise shill.

C'mon guys...think a little here. There is NO WAY all the people in the highest positions in the FBI and the Justice Department would have authorized this if they did not have the goods on Cohen.

Best to prepare yourself now. The guy is toast. You don't order this on the personal lawyer of a sitting president on a whim..or as trump likes to yell, A WITCH HUNT!

You're going to be so disappointed.

(04-10-2018 09:58 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Simply not true. Criminal activity is not covered by privilege. If they find criminal activity that involves trump, Russia or not, it is not covered, period.

You are wrong. They can't just come take all of your lawyer's files on you and then say "hey we found this criminal activity" that you once discussed with your lawyer.

It's amazing that you think this is how it works.

(04-10-2018 09:58 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 09:45 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 09:05 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Dershowitz...further proving he's been reduced to nothing more than a Fox noise shill.

C'mon guys...think a little here. There is NO WAY all the people in the highest positions in the FBI and the Justice Department would have authorized this if they did not have the goods on Cohen.

Best to prepare yourself now. The guy is toast. You don't order this on the personal lawyer of a sitting president on a whim..or as trump likes to yell, A WITCH HUNT!

Lol. State department officials also don’t release transcripts of presidential conversations with foreign leaders. FBI leaders don’t create “back up” plans to nullify elections. FBI officials don’t use fake information to get FISA warrants. Yet...it actually has happened.

Like I said, the raid essentially signals that Trump is not a target as anything discovered can’t be used against Trump due to lawyer-client privilege. In fact, due to the fruit of the poison tree doctrine, you could potentially unwittingly undermine multiple aspects of any case against Trump. Nobody would do this if they had any intention of going after Trump. That’s bad news for the left wing nut crazies on CNN and MSNBC.

Simply not true. Criminal activity is not covered by privilege. If they find criminal activity that involves trump, Russia or not, it is not covered, period.

Fellow-liberal Old Dominion disagrees with you.

(04-10-2018 10:02 AM)imjustafatkid Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 09:05 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Dershowitz...further proving he's been reduced to nothing more than a Fox noise shill.

C'mon guys...think a little here. There is NO WAY all the people in the highest positions in the FBI and the Justice Department would have authorized this if they did not have the goods on Cohen.

Best to prepare yourself now. The guy is toast. You don't order this on the personal lawyer of a sitting president on a whim..or as trump likes to yell, A WITCH HUNT!

You're going to be so disappointed.

If you want to hear something comical, you should ask him what an insurance deductible is.

(04-10-2018 09:36 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 09:20 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  I really do get the rights anger about Hillary. If I were a con I'd feel the same way. Shady indeed. However, the logic can't then become "you didn't investigate one crook, so you can't investigate another one".

Being a Lefty my point of view is obviously skewed one way and I see things differently.

In my opinion the big difference between Trump and Clinton is Clinton was smart enough not to piss off the establishment. She is a crook, but she works within the informal rules of D.C. politics, so she gets a pass.

Trump does not. He's very abrasive and in your face about his conduct and this brings attention to politicians in general. He's still a crook, just like all the others, he just made the cardinal sin of challenging all the other crooks.

They both need to go to jail.

This post is really priceless, in so many ways.

Isn't this the same guy who said a number of times with in the last 3 or so months...."what did Hillary do, I haven't kept up with her". I know I wasn't the only one that got the impression this guy just found the Internet or just got his 1st PC or some other reason kept him from knowing ZERO about Hillary and the investigations. Hell he did not even know what the Clinton Foundation was...never heard of it or Bill Clinton's visit with Loretta Lynch.

Am I mistaking on who that was? Now he talks like he knows EVERYTHING

(04-10-2018 10:44 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 09:36 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 09:20 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  I really do get the rights anger about Hillary. If I were a con I'd feel the same way. Shady indeed. However, the logic can't then become "you didn't investigate one crook, so you can't investigate another one".

Being a Lefty my point of view is obviously skewed one way and I see things differently.

In my opinion the big difference between Trump and Clinton is Clinton was smart enough not to piss off the establishment. She is a crook, but she works within the informal rules of D.C. politics, so she gets a pass.

Trump does not. He's very abrasive and in your face about his conduct and this brings attention to politicians in general. He's still a crook, just like all the others, he just made the cardinal sin of challenging all the other crooks.

They both need to go to jail.

This post is really priceless, in so many ways.

Isn't this the same guy who said a number of times with in the last 3 or so months...."what did Hillary do, I haven't kept up with her". I know I wasn't the only one that got the impression this guy just found the Internet or just got his 1st PC or some other reason kept him from knowing ZERO about Hillary and the investigations. Hell he did not even know what the Clinton Foundation was...never heard of it.

Am I mistaking? Now he talks like he knows EVERYTHING

Thanks YG, glad I'm not the only one noticing.

He's the same poster who asked a number of questions about the investigation of Flynn and his son......"hadn't kept up", according to him. But he then goes on to call my theory that Flynn was, at least in part, falling on his sword to protect his son, absurd.

I later asked him how he could profess to know so little about a subject, but then call someone's theory on the matter, absurd, but he never responded.

They went to s federal judge and made tge case for a warrant. It must be pretty damn compelling.

(04-10-2018 11:01 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  They went to s federal judge and made tge case for a warrant. It must be pretty damn compelling.

Yeah, like the FISA warrants. Tech rolls eyes. Maybe they have a Cohen Dossier?

(04-10-2018 11:01 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  They went to s federal judge and made tge case for a warrant. It must be pretty damn compelling.

Did they use a fake dossier this time? Or no?

(04-10-2018 10:04 AM)imjustafatkid Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 09:58 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Simply not true. Criminal activity is not covered by privilege. If they find criminal activity that involves trump, Russia or not, it is not covered, period.

You are wrong. They can't just come take all of your lawyer's files on you and then say "hey we found this criminal activity" that you once discussed with your lawyer.

It's amazing that you think this is how it works.

That's not how it works. Hence, that's not what they did. Do some research. Read a little.

Quote:There are specific rules that come into play before the U.S. attorney would be granted a subpoena, as outlined in the U.S. Attorneys’ Manual. A section titled “Searches of Premises of Subject Attorneys” details six additional safeguards to ensure that the Justice Department isn’t unjustly violating attorney-client privilege. It applies to subject attorneys — people who are “suspect[s], subject[s] or target[s]” of an investigation. That distinction was highlighted last week when The Post reported that Mueller had informed Trump that the president wasn’t a target of the investigation, but only a subject of it. “Prosecutors view someone as a subject when that person has engaged in conduct that is under investigation but there is not sufficient evidence to bring charges,” we wrote at that point. In other words, Trump wasn’t necessarily about to face charges, but he was under investigation. The same, it seems, applies now to Cohen.

To obtain that search warrant, then, the U.S. attorney would have had to meet six conditions, according to the manual.

1. Before obtaining a search warrant, investigators had to try to obtain the evidence in another way, such as by subpoena.

2. The authorization for the warrant had to come from either the U.S. attorney or an assistant attorney general. (Rosenstein is deputy attorney general, a higher position than assistant attorney general.)

3. The prosecutor had to confer with the criminal division of the department before seeking the warrant.

4. The team conducting the search had to “employ adequate precautions” to ensure that they weren’t improperly viewing privileged communications between Cohen and his clients.

5. The search team would have included a “privilege team,” including lawyers and agents not working the case, which would work to ensure that investigators conducting the search didn’t see privileged communications.

6. The investigators had to develop a review process for the seized material.

Even with those checks in place, the U.S. attorney wasn’t guaranteed a warrant. Search warrants granted to U.S. attorneys are approved by magistrate judges serving in U.S. District Court.

To search Michael Cohen’s home and office, the FBI had to clear a higher-than-normal bar

Before spying on American citizens they have to clear a higher-than-normal-bar. Hasn't stopped them apparently.

(04-10-2018 11:30 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  Before spying on American citizens they have to clear a higher-than-normal-bar. Hasn't stopped them apparently.

Nah...if they wanted to spy, they would have used the fake dossier to obtain a FISA warrant to wiretap Crooked Cohen.

(04-10-2018 08:50 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  

Quote:"I tell [clients] on my word of honor that what you tell me is sacrosanct," he said. "And now they say, just based on probable cause ... they can burst into the office, grab all the computers, and then give it to another FBI agent and say, 'You're the firewall. We want you now to read all these confidential communications, tell us which ones we can get and which ones we can't get.'"

"If this were Hillary Clinton being investigated and they went into her lawyer's office, the ACLU would be on every television station in America, jumping up and down," he added.

"The deafening silence from the ACLU and civil libertarians about the intrusion into the lawyer-client confidentiality is really appalling," Dershowitz said.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/...-relations

The FBI not only did not go into the law offices of Cankles' attorneys, they gave them immunity for their interviews...........same interviews where no written notes were taken nor recordings made, and nothing of substance was apparently offered-up on Cankles.

Situation normal. Carry on.

True

HDS.

(04-10-2018 11:13 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 11:01 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  They went to s federal judge and made tge case for a warrant. It must be pretty damn compelling.

Did they use a fake dossier this time? Or no?

Trump will tell you what you need to hear.

In the meantime, the Justice Department continues to build their case.

(04-10-2018 11:52 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 11:13 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 11:01 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  They went to s federal judge and made tge case for a warrant. It must be pretty damn compelling.

Did they use a fake dossier this time? Or no?

Trump will tell you what you need to hear.

In the meantime, the Justice Department continues to build their case.

OR the justice department and FBI continue to destroy their reputations as institutions with the American people.