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Buffalo's 2018 Non Conference Schedule Coming Together
UB seems to be putting together a nice out of conference slate, even spending some money to get a couple of home games as part of the College Basketball HOF Invitational.

They will either establish themselves as a contender for an at large bid (if they don't win the tournament) or put the question to bed early so that they know they need to win in Cleveland.

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2 Games in the College Hall of Fame Tip Off (TBD) (UB Spends 150K to host)

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Looks like UB understands the old adage "you have to spend money to make money".
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(04-10-2018 10:44 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  Looks like UB understands the old adage "you have to spend money to make money".

True, BUT it is more than that:

Money + strong team (with some national appeal) = scheduling success.
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Also, it indicates what it costs, if a P5 team is wiling, to host a P5 team (100K in this case).
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(04-10-2018 10:44 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  Looks like UB understands the old adage "you have to spend money to make money".

It looks like they are using the WVU and Marquette game to pay for the HOF Invite. I was honestly shocked to see UB pay 150K to be a host school.

They have never paid to host a CBI, CIT game and turned the tournaments down outright the last two times they were invited.
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(04-10-2018 05:24 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  
(04-10-2018 10:44 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  Looks like UB understands the old adage "you have to spend money to make money".

It looks like they are using the WVU and Marquette game to pay for the HOF Invite. I was honestly shocked to see UB pay 150K to be a host school.

They have never paid to host a CBI, CIT game and turned the tournaments down outright the last two times they were invited.
Good move to not waste money on CBI or CIT. If the players are not motivated to play in a tournament, there's no value gained.
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(04-10-2018 05:24 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  
(04-10-2018 10:44 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  Looks like UB understands the old adage "you have to spend money to make money".

It looks like they are using the WVU and Marquette game to pay for the HOF Invite. I was honestly shocked to see UB pay 150K to be a host school.

They have never paid to host a CBI, CIT game and turned the tournaments down outright the last two times they were invited.

the thing about spending the money for that tournament isn't so much that it gives them 2 ho hum home games, but that it puts them in the added neutral court bracket with 3 other top teams, which means 2 quality opponents on a neutral court. Since P5 schools won't play on a MAC court and wins against good mid majors aren't usually rewarded at tournament selection time, you gotta find ways to to play the big names on semi equal footing. UB now has 4 non-conf games that should be valued by the selection committee, and only half their schedule has been announced. Still gotta win some, but it's smart scheduling. The MAC needs it's top teams to play these kinds of games. Usually, they end up on the road and we have a touch time pulling them out, but I think UB should break through a bit next year.
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(04-11-2018 02:31 AM)pono Wrote:  
(04-10-2018 05:24 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  
(04-10-2018 10:44 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  Looks like UB understands the old adage "you have to spend money to make money".

It looks like they are using the WVU and Marquette game to pay for the HOF Invite. I was honestly shocked to see UB pay 150K to be a host school.

They have never paid to host a CBI, CIT game and turned the tournaments down outright the last two times they were invited.

the thing about spending the money for that tournament isn't so much that it gives them 2 ho hum home games, but that it puts them in the added neutral court bracket with 3 other top teams, which means 2 quality opponents on a neutral court. Since P5 schools won't play on a MAC court and wins against good mid majors aren't usually rewarded at tournament selection time, you gotta find ways to to play the big names on semi equal footing. UB now has 4 non-conf games that should be valued by the selection committee, and only half their schedule has been announced. Still gotta win some, but it's smart scheduling. The MAC needs it's top teams to play these kinds of games. Usually, they end up on the road and we have a touch time pulling them out, but I think UB should break through a bit next year.

Good explanation about getting NEUTRAL court games with the big boys.

Once again, you also emphasize a truth: the big boys will not, for love or money, come and play at mid-majors.

They did in the past. They no longer will do so.

When it happens it is almost because of something unusual, e.g., the mid-major hires an assistant coach from the high major school to be their head coach or maybe the mid-major is opening a new arena.
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It’s not absolute. They do sometimes. Ore. St. played at Kent last season as part of a 2 for 1.

Bottom line is MAC schools need to schedule P5 opponents, home, road, or neutral, however they work it out. Playing a schedule of all mid- and low-majors weakens the conference. (Not even getting into the schools that embarrass themselves by playing multiple non-D-I opponents just to pad their win totals.)
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(04-11-2018 08:48 AM)axeme Wrote:  It’s not absolute. They do sometimes. Ore. St. played at Kent last season as part of a 2 for 1.

Bottom line is MAC schools need to schedule P5 opponents, home, road, or neutral, however they work it out. Playing a schedule of all mid- and low-majors weakens the conference. (Not even getting into the schools that embarrass themselves by playing multiple non-D-I opponents just to pad their win totals.)

Think that was an 'ourlier.'

The fact is we have better luck getting a P5 FB team in a MAC stadium than a HM basketball team from a power conference.

I assume the difference is that the game means MORE in hoops than football.

If a HM expects to be an at-large team in March and goes to a MAC arena and loses... bad, bad, bad.

These coaches are worried about the effect of EVERY game in terms of helping and hurting them in March and, of course, remember it is NOT ONLY making the Big Dance but seeding. A bad loss could cost a team a rung or two.
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This year’s tournament demonstrated that seeding is way overvalued. If you want to advance, you have to beat very capable teams, whether you are a double digit seed or a single digit seed.
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(04-11-2018 09:29 AM)axeme Wrote:  This year’s tournament demonstrated that seeding is way overvalued. If you want to advance, you have to beat very capable teams, whether you are a double digit seed or a single digit seed.

Seeding is a manipulation for television and to make sure "upsets" happen to bring eyeballs to tourney
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Any word on UB coming back to the Carrier Dome?

Cuse is going to be looking for State money to Renovate the Dome soon...and needs to ingratiate themselves to the Pols in Albany.
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(04-16-2018 12:37 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Any word on UB coming back to the Carrier Dome?

Cuse is going to be looking for State money to Renovate the Dome soon...and needs to ingratiate themselves to the Pols in Albany.

then Cuse should be playing at SUNY-Albany. decent D1 program, state capitol, would be a big draw, great press...
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(04-16-2018 12:37 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Any word on UB coming back to the Carrier Dome?

Cuse is going to be looking for State money to Renovate the Dome soon...and needs to ingratiate themselves to the Pols in Albany.

While I realize that a 1:1 is pretty much out of the question I would love for UB and Syracuse to sign a 4:2 or 6:3 agreement over the next decade.

It's a natural matchup...

First, even before started to win MAC Championships, they were usually a decent mid major falling somewhere between 70-120 in RPI.

Second, It's only a short sprint down 90 to get there for each fan base

Third, the UB home games could be played at Keybank Center
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(04-17-2018 10:48 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  
(04-16-2018 12:37 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Any word on UB coming back to the Carrier Dome?

Cuse is going to be looking for State money to Renovate the Dome soon...and needs to ingratiate themselves to the Pols in Albany.

While I realize that a 1:1 is pretty much out of the question I would love for UB and Syracuse to sign a 4:2 or 6:3 agreement over the next decade.

It's a natural matchup...

First, even before started to win MAC Championships, they were usually a decent mid major falling somewhere between 70-120 in RPI.

Second, It's only a short sprint down 90 to get there for each fan base

Third, the UB home games could be played at Keybank Center

Cuse is due to play another game in WNY...love to see them play UB at the Arena downtown. And play St. Bona in Rochester.

Problem is they lose a ton of revenue playing away versus home. The most important thing to scuttle future games (UB,, EMU and St. Bona) is the ACC is going to a 20 game schedule in 2019. They have 6 potential openings after figuring the ACC/B1G challenge and the early season made for TV tournaments.

Cuse I suspect will always play: Georgetown, Cornell and Colgate...so that leaves 3 slots. UConn, SJU or Nova will probably grab one slot a year...so we are down to 2 openings.
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