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RE: Why is the MAC's Stability Considered a Good Thing?
(04-19-2018 12:24 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  
(04-19-2018 01:41 AM)utpotts Wrote:  
(04-18-2018 11:39 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  
(04-18-2018 10:53 PM)ColinApocalypse Wrote:  
(04-18-2018 09:56 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  I’m talking mainly football here. And just because a school is good at women’s field hockey does not mean they should be excused for having a crappy football program and giving the conference a bad look. And yes I expect EMU and Kent fans to get a little salty.

Football isn't everything. The MAC has some very strong programs in the non-revenue sports.

And what about academics? You want to kick out Miami, one of the most (if not the most) academically prestigious schools in our conference?

You want to talk football though?
Miami were MAC champs in 2010.
Ball State went to the MACC in 2008.
Kent State went in 2012.
In 2013, WMU went 1-11.

Should WMU have been kicked out after that abysmal season?

Sure football isn’t everything but let’s be honest it’s the most important sport and brings schools the most publicity, plus it’s part of the whole college experience. Every program has its ups and downs as you saw with WMU’s 1-11 season, but that was a rebuilding year, and in the next couple years we won the Bahamas bowl and then went undefeated and went to a NY6 bowl, Kent st, EMU, and ball st are some of the worst programs historically as far as football goes and they consistently drag the MAC attendance numbers wayyyyy down, some years they struggle to break 10k fans on average, certainly that’s reason enough!!?

Do you ever stop talking??

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Sorry for wanting the conference to improve???

No..... you just beat a dead horse, every time you speak.
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RE: Why is the MAC's Stability Considered a Good Thing?
(04-18-2018 09:56 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  I’m talking mainly football here. And just because a school is good at women’s field hockey does not mean they should be excused for having a crappy football program and giving the conference a bad look. And yes I expect EMU and Kent fans to get a little salty.

EVERY Conference has bad, bad Football. As much as I jump on EMU and Kent, you need them around. EMU Track and Field and Kent Baseball have been Powers for years. Even Akron Soccer has been on that level. Using your logic, do you also kick out Wake Forest out of the ACC for bad Football? Tulane in the AAC and even UTEP, who has been burtal for light years?

I am using your logic and it does not even make any sense.......
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RE: Why is the MAC's Stability Considered a Good Thing?
(04-19-2018 09:45 PM)lance99 Wrote:  
(04-18-2018 09:56 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  I’m talking mainly football here. And just because a school is good at women’s field hockey does not mean they should be excused for having a crappy football program and giving the conference a bad look. And yes I expect EMU and Kent fans to get a little salty.

EVERY Conference has bad, bad Football. As much as I jump on EMU and Kent, you need them around. EMU Track and Field and Kent Baseball have been Powers for years. Even Akron Soccer has been on that level. Using your logic, do you also kick out Wake Forest out of the ACC for bad Football? Tulane in the AAC and even UTEP, who has been burtal for light years?

I am using your logic and it does not even make any sense.......

Please stop using non revenue sports that nobody cares about like track and women’s field hockey to justify ****** MAC football programs, and no we don’t need Kent and we certainly don’t need EMU around, when better programs like JMU are knocking on the door to get in.
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RE: Why is the MAC's Stability Considered a Good Thing?
(04-19-2018 11:49 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  Please stop using non revenue sports that nobody cares about like track and women’s field hockey to justify ****** MAC football programs, and no we don’t need Kent and we certainly don’t need EMU around, when better programs like JMU are knocking on the door to get in.

I don't love that Eastern Michigan is in the MAC. For many years, I would not have minded if the MAC gave them a gentle push and encouraged them to consider the Missouri Valley or GLIAC. But the MAC isn't going to do that.

Moreover, given all the investments Eastern Michigan has made in football these past few years and the progress they have shown, now is not the time for any pushing.
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RE: Why is the MAC's Stability Considered a Good Thing?
I'd love to see you go up to any one of our non-revenue sports teams and tell them that they don't matter, right to their face. But we all know you wouldn't do that.
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Dear Fthechips,
There is no evidence that James Madison is knocking on the MAC door. I haven't seen an application, an invitation by the MAC presidents, or any other indication that they want to be in the MAC, or that the MAC wants them.
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(04-20-2018 01:40 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear Fthechips,
There is no evidence that James Madison is knocking on the MAC door. I haven't seen an application, an invitation by the MAC presidents, or any other indication that they want to be in the MAC, or that the MAC wants them.

They want to be FBS, and the MAC probably makes the most sense for them.
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RE: Why is the MAC's Stability Considered a Good Thing?
I don't understand the idea of kicking out "bad teams." Can anyone name a conference that has zero bad teams?

Under .500 records
AAC - 5/12
ACC - 5/14
B10 - 6/14
B12 - 3/9
CUSA - 5/14
MAC - 5/12
MWC - 7/12
P12 - 4/12
SEC - 4/14
SBC - 7/12
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(04-20-2018 02:41 PM)ilovegymnast Wrote:  I don't understand the idea of kicking out "bad teams." Can anyone name a conference that has zero bad teams?

Under .500 records
AAC - 5/12
ACC - 5/14
B10 - 6/14
B12 - 3/9
CUSA - 5/14
MAC - 5/12
MWC - 7/12
P12 - 4/12
SEC - 4/14
SBC - 7/12

Well of course, every conference has teams below .500, in my opinion some of these MAC schools just aren't made out to be FBS teams. It's a largely saturated market and not just in terms of MAC teams but also with P5 teams, look at EMU, they're 8 miles away from the biggest program in CFB. Just go look at the overall records for EMU and Kent St. I know the supporters of the schools are gonna disagree but it is what it is.
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RE: Why is the MAC's Stability Considered a Good Thing?
Sounds like we have a variation on theme here... Make the MAC Great [again?]. And why is someone so hung up about what other people/insitutions think about the MAC?

Wouldn't it be easier for WMU to go to a more prestigious conference, where they could play in front of packed stadia every week?

Why would a school like WMU care about other MAC schools "giving the conference a bad look" anyway? Focus on your own team, and maybe you will win a MAC football championship more than three times in 71 years & win more than one bowl game in seven attempts.

And by the way, the WMU women's golf team is over 30 strokes out of first place after only the first round of the MAC Women's Championship. Maybe the WMU team is not just made out to be a women's D1 golf team
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RE: Why is the MAC's Stability Considered a Good Thing?
(04-20-2018 04:08 PM)Albert Flasher Wrote:  Why would a school like WMU care about other MAC schools "giving the conference a bad look" anyway?

Because it affects SOS and the bowl game selections depend on how the conference performs. Plus schools in the MAC are the associated with programs like Ball St, Kent St, and EMU who in the past have averaged less than 10k and 5k fans.

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Focus on your own team, and maybe you will win a MAC football championship more than three times in 71 years & win more than one bowl game in seven attempts.
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hahahaha, coming from the school with 3 total bowl appearances, no bowl victories, and one of the worst overall records(39%) in CFB history. Hey at least you have Nick Saban! Meanwhile, I'll be happy with our recent success, Bahamas bowl victory, Cotton bowl, college gameday, conf. championship, corey davis, highest rated class in MAC history, etc.


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And by the way, the WMU women's golf team is over 30 strokes out of first place after only the first round of the MAC Women's Championship. Maybe the WMU team is not just made out to be a women's D1 golf team
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Scrap it

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Well in a few years Kent will have 3 players in the HOF while WMU still has zero... Potentially 4 depending on how they view Edelman when he retires. But hey keep holding on to WMU not being a football power... YAY!!
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Every time Fthechips posts his irrational thoughts.......

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(04-20-2018 07:09 PM)utpotts Wrote:  Every time Fthechips posts his irrational thoughts.......

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(04-20-2018 06:05 PM)ilovegymnast Wrote:  Well in a few years Kent will have 3 players in the HOF while WMU still has zero... Potentially 4 depending on how they view Edelman when he retires. But hey keep holding on to WMU not being a football power... YAY!!

Completely irrelevant, when you guys get a record above .500 call me
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Sooooo even football facts mean nothing in a football argument.... It became relevant when you brought up Corey Davis. What is more impressive barely being over .500 in what you consider to be a terrible football conference or having former players in the NFL Hall of Fame? Your logic and reasoning is flawed and I think Shark Tank says it best "And for that reason, I'm out".
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Now that’s funny.

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RE: Why is the MAC's Stability Considered a Good Thing?
(04-20-2018 04:35 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  
(04-20-2018 04:08 PM)Albert Flasher Wrote:  Why would a school like WMU care about other MAC schools "giving the conference a bad look" anyway?

Because it affects SOS and the bowl game selections depend on how the conference performs. Plus schools in the MAC are the associated with programs like Ball St, Kent St, and EMU who in the past have averaged less than 10k and 5k fans.
Focus on your own team, and maybe you will win a MAC football championship more than three times in 71 years & win more than one bowl game in seven attempts.
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hahahaha, coming from the school with 3 total bowl appearances, no bowl victories, and one of the worst overall records(39%) in CFB history. Hey at least you have Nick Saban! Meanwhile, I'll be happy with our recent success, Bahamas bowl victory, Cotton bowl, college gameday, conf. championship, corey davis, highest rated class in MAC history, etc.


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And by the way, the WMU women's golf team is over 30 strokes out of first place after only the first round of the MAC Women's Championship. Maybe the WMU team is not just made out to be a women's D1 golf team
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Scrap it

04-cheers
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Toledo's 2018 FB Signing Class is the MAC's highest rated(247Sports), 24 3 star commits, a Class total score of 174.0 ranking #65 nationally. WMU's highest ranking Class (#67), was in 2016. It featured 19 3 star commits with a total Class score of 160.72.
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RE: Why is the MAC's Stability Considered a Good Thing?
(04-20-2018 09:23 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  
(04-20-2018 04:35 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  
(04-20-2018 04:08 PM)Albert Flasher Wrote:  Why would a school like WMU care about other MAC schools "giving the conference a bad look" anyway?

Because it affects SOS and the bowl game selections depend on how the conference performs. Plus schools in the MAC are the associated with programs like Ball St, Kent St, and EMU who in the past have averaged less than 10k and 5k fans.
Focus on your own team, and maybe you will win a MAC football championship more than three times in 71 years & win more than one bowl game in seven attempts.

hahahaha, coming from the school with 3 total bowl appearances, no bowl victories, and one of the worst overall records(39%) in CFB history. Hey at least you have Nick Saban! Meanwhile, I'll be happy with our recent success, Bahamas bowl victory, Cotton bowl, college gameday, conf. championship, corey davis, highest rated class in MAC history, etc.


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And by the way, the WMU women's golf team is over 30 strokes out of first place after only the first round of the MAC Women's Championship. Maybe the WMU team is not just made out to be a women's D1 golf team
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Scrap it

04-cheers
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Toledo's 2018 FB Signing Class is the MAC's highest rated(247Sports), 24 3 star commits, a Class total score of 174.0 ranking #65 nationally. WMU's highest ranking Class (#67), was in 2016. It featured 19 3 star commits with a total Class score of 160.72.
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I was talking in terms of average score in which we have 82.88(Toledo at 82.65) for this year, which is a MAC record
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