(03-31-2018 08:28 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 01:46 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 01:26 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 06:25 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 02:01 PM)Wedge Wrote:  UConn can get as many home P5 games as BYU, because BYU is averaging 2 of those a season, as you can see here: http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/indep/byu-cougars.php

Big Ten and ACC teams that don't have Ohio State-like or Clemson-like attendance would be open to playing home/home series with UConn, as Illinois, Indiana, BC, NC State, Syracuse and Virginia already have or will in the next several years.

Did you look at UConns schedules while you were there? Over the next 5 years they have a total of 2 P5 home games scheduled. They have hosted a grand total of 5 home P5 games since the start of AAC play in 2013---two of those home games were in the first year of play (2013). Im not confident at all they can schedule many home P5 games as an indy. THat said, I am confident they can schedule a 12 game FBS schedule. If New Mexico St and UMass can do it---so can UConn.

You're downplaying UConn's indy prospects because you don't want them to leave the AAC. But c'mon, you know that UConn's football value, and their ability to schedule as an indy, is a helluva lot closer to BYU than NMSU.

I don’t want them to leave—but I think I’m pretty clear eyed about thier program as an indy. Their situation and location would be very similar to UMass. I suspect the schedules would be similar if UConn went indy.

I agree with you that it is very doubtful that if they left the AAC and went Indy, that UConn football could construct a schedule as fan-appealing or as strong in an SOS sense as what they have in the AAC. There would be a drop-off.

Where you and I probably strongly disagree is I am by no means sure that if UConn said they were exiting their basketball from the AAC to the Big East, but intended to keep all their other sports in the AAC (or exit the AAC in all sports but football), that the AAC would try to eject their football (and/or other sports) from the conference. I think there's a very good chance they wouldn't.

Heck, the AAC has already set the precedent of Navy football only being in the AAC and Wichita State having hoops but no football in the AAC. It would be hard therefore to take a moralistic/indignant "we insist on all in or nothing" stance, if they tried to they would look merely spiteful, and bottom line is that the AAC would still be stronger with UConn football than without it.

Could not disagree more. “bottom line is AAC would still be stronger with Uconn football than without it”
Come on. How insulting. How ridiculous....

(03-31-2018 02:34 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 01:40 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 12:06 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Navy has been to a bowl game now in 14/15 years.

UConn has been to 6 bowl games period, all in last 15 years

Navy football is at its ceiling right now. UConn's football has a much higher potential ceiling. In less than 10 years they went from no IA program at all to champion of a Power conference and a BCS bowl bid.

Yes, UConn football is flat on its back right now. But it's just one good head coaching hire away from getting up, and an upright UConn will stand taller than an upright Navy or most other AAC football programs.

The AAC knows this.

They got a BCS bid in a down BE year with a 8 win season. 8 wins in the prior year had UConn tied for 5th. Lets not act as if that team was something special.

Since joining FBS 8-9 wins has been the UConn ceiling. I think the issue is they are not really located in a great recruiting area. Just a theory---but I think that mainly because all the New England FBS teams seem to be struggling in a similar manner. That said--their track record indicates they have much better attendance upside than someplace place like WKU and thier basketball is basically blue blood in my opinion. I hope they dont leave.

Stadium is located in Hartford which helps with numbers.

IMO a great pick up for P5 conference since they are the major athletic property for the entire state.

(03-31-2018 01:54 PM)TheOriginalBigApp Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 11:21 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  Wichita State a West coast program for example look what it did around the league it created a basketball hunger urgency hence Memphis, UConn new head coaches hires and now stirring things up at Temple and East Carolina as well.

Someone from Texas thinks Kansas is "West coast"? So is Texas now the same as California?

I take it he’s never been to the West Coast, or Kansas. I suppose Wichita being only 1,500 miles away from the west coast makes them kind of closer to being west coast than Colorado st is to being east coast hahahahaha

(03-31-2018 01:54 PM)TheOriginalBigApp Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 11:21 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  Wichita State a West coast program for example look what it did around the league it created a basketball hunger urgency hence Memphis, UConn new head coaches hires and now stirring things up at Temple and East Carolina as well.

Someone from Texas thinks Kansas is "West coast"? So is Texas now the same as California?

LOL... You have way to much free time in your hands man

(03-31-2018 03:01 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 01:54 PM)TheOriginalBigApp Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 11:21 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  Wichita State a West coast program for example look what it did around the league it created a basketball hunger urgency hence Memphis, UConn new head coaches hires and now stirring things up at Temple and East Carolina as well.

Someone from Texas thinks Kansas is "West coast"? So is Texas now the same as California?

I take it he’s never been to the West Coast, or Kansas. I suppose Wichita being only 1,500 miles away from the west coast makes them kind of closer to being west coast than Colorado st is to being east coast hahahahaha

You're so freaking brilliant... The West cost must be your second home... Hahaha

UConn needs to be patient and try to get their football back to the level it was at during their best years of Big East football. As for football, they need to build OOC schedules that get them games with their old regional rivals.

Eventually their will be movement in the Power 5 and UConn needs to position itself to get an ACC invitation.

(03-31-2018 04:27 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 03:01 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 01:54 PM)TheOriginalBigApp Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 11:21 AM)BigHouston Wrote:  Wichita State a West coast program for example look what it did around the league it created a basketball hunger urgency hence Memphis, UConn new head coaches hires and now stirring things up at Temple and East Carolina as well.

Someone from Texas thinks Kansas is "West coast"? So is Texas now the same as California?

I take it he’s never been to the West Coast, or Kansas. I suppose Wichita being only 1,500 miles away from the west coast makes them kind of closer to being west coast than Colorado st is to being east coast hahahahaha

You're so freaking brilliant... The West cost must be your second home... Hahaha

Oh that was you? I guess I don’t get the joke!

(03-31-2018 02:56 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 02:34 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 01:40 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 12:06 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Navy has been to a bowl game now in 14/15 years.

UConn has been to 6 bowl games period, all in last 15 years

Navy football is at its ceiling right now. UConn's football has a much higher potential ceiling. In less than 10 years they went from no IA program at all to champion of a Power conference and a BCS bowl bid.

Yes, UConn football is flat on its back right now. But it's just one good head coaching hire away from getting up, and an upright UConn will stand taller than an upright Navy or most other AAC football programs.

The AAC knows this.

They got a BCS bid in a down BE year with a 8 win season. 8 wins in the prior year had UConn tied for 5th. Lets not act as if that team was something special.

Since joining FBS 8-9 wins has been the UConn ceiling. I think the issue is they are not really located in a great recruiting area. Just a theory---but I think that mainly because all the New England FBS teams seem to be struggling in a similar manner. That said--their track record indicates they have much better attendance upside than someplace place like WKU and thier basketball is basically blue blood in my opinion. I hope they dont leave.

Stadium is located in Hartford which helps with numbers.

IMO a great pick up for P5 conference since they are the major athletic property for the entire state.

Unfortunately, that state is Connecticut. And that's not attractive to any P5 conference. UConn's goal, and their public stance, needs to be to be that they want to be the best AAC member they can be. If something cosmic happens within the P5 and UConn moves up higher on the list of desirable G5 candidates than they are now, then they can hope for an invite.

For some posters here that might happen one day. But at my age I don't expect to see it in my lifetime.

(03-31-2018 06:39 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 02:56 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 02:34 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 01:40 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 12:06 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Navy has been to a bowl game now in 14/15 years.

UConn has been to 6 bowl games period, all in last 15 years

Navy football is at its ceiling right now. UConn's football has a much higher potential ceiling. In less than 10 years they went from no IA program at all to champion of a Power conference and a BCS bowl bid.

Yes, UConn football is flat on its back right now. But it's just one good head coaching hire away from getting up, and an upright UConn will stand taller than an upright Navy or most other AAC football programs.

The AAC knows this.

They got a BCS bid in a down BE year with a 8 win season. 8 wins in the prior year had UConn tied for 5th. Lets not act as if that team was something special.

Since joining FBS 8-9 wins has been the UConn ceiling. I think the issue is they are not really located in a great recruiting area. Just a theory---but I think that mainly because all the New England FBS teams seem to be struggling in a similar manner. That said--their track record indicates they have much better attendance upside than someplace place like WKU and thier basketball is basically blue blood in my opinion. I hope they dont leave.

Stadium is located in Hartford which helps with numbers.

IMO a great pick up for P5 conference since they are the major athletic property for the entire state.

Unfortunately, that state is Connecticut. And that's not attractive to any P5 conference. UConn's goal, and their public stance, needs to be to be that they want to be the best AAC member they can be. If something cosmic happens within the P5 and UConn moves up higher on the list of desirable G5 candidates than they are now, then they can hope for an invite.

For some posters here that might happen one day. But at my age I don't expect to see it in my lifetime.

I think UConn is an attractive property and will eventually end up in a P5. Its a state flagship, with good academics, good fan base, and pretty much a blue blood in basketball. They need to get basketball back on track---but I think they have a lot of appeal to the P5.

(03-31-2018 01:40 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 12:06 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Navy has been to a bowl game now in 14/15 years.

UConn has been to 6 bowl games period, all in last 15 years

Navy football is at its ceiling right now. UConn's football has a much higher potential ceiling. In less than 10 years they went from no IA program at all to champion of a Power conference and a BCS bowl bid.

Yes, UConn football is flat on its back right now. But it's just one good head coaching hire away from getting up, and an upright UConn will stand taller than an upright Navy or most other AAC football programs.

The AAC knows this.

No, Navy is not at our ceiling now.

Absolutely, UConn has a higher ceiling than Navy, but so do at least 8 other AAC members (if not all).
As someone mentioned, there were down years, down decades. But now, as a football PROGRAM with a 15 year stretch of sustained success, Navy is head and shoulders above UConn football. UConn "gets upright"...and still would lag behind Navy as a football program. They could pass Navy by, but there is nothing now to project that happening.

Navy and Army also have national brand aspects that allow success as Independents that are hard to match. Independent UConn football would be closer to UMass than to BYU.

UConn as a whole - definitely high value to the AAC. Taking hoops somewhere else and just UConn football? Meh. Whatever.

(03-31-2018 01:40 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 12:06 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Navy has been to a bowl game now in 14/15 years.

UConn has been to 6 bowl games period, all in last 15 years

Navy football is at its ceiling right now. UConn's football has a much higher potential ceiling. In less than 10 years they went from no IA program at all to champion of a Power conference and a BCS bowl bid.

Yes, UConn football is flat on its back right now. But it's just one good head coaching hire away from getting up, and an upright UConn will stand taller than an upright Navy or most other AAC football programs.

The AAC knows this.

No, Navy is not at our ceiling now.

Absolutely, UConn has a higher ceiling than Navy, but so do at least 8 other AAC members (if not all).
As someone mentioned, there were down years, down decades. But now, as a football PROGRAM with a 15 year stretch of sustained success, Navy is head and shoulders above UConn football. UConn "gets upright"...and still would lag behind Navy as a football program. They could pass Navy by, but there is nothing now to project that happening.

Navy and Army also have national brand aspects that allow success as Independents that are hard to match. Independent UConn football would be closer to UMass than to BYU.

UConn as a whole - definitely high value to the AAC. Taking hoops somewhere else and just UConn football? Meh. Whatever.

(03-31-2018 07:33 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 06:39 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 02:56 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 02:34 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 01:40 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Navy football is at its ceiling right now. UConn's football has a much higher potential ceiling. In less than 10 years they went from no IA program at all to champion of a Power conference and a BCS bowl bid.

Yes, UConn football is flat on its back right now. But it's just one good head coaching hire away from getting up, and an upright UConn will stand taller than an upright Navy or most other AAC football programs.

The AAC knows this.

They got a BCS bid in a down BE year with a 8 win season. 8 wins in the prior year had UConn tied for 5th. Lets not act as if that team was something special.

Since joining FBS 8-9 wins has been the UConn ceiling. I think the issue is they are not really located in a great recruiting area. Just a theory---but I think that mainly because all the New England FBS teams seem to be struggling in a similar manner. That said--their track record indicates they have much better attendance upside than someplace place like WKU and thier basketball is basically blue blood in my opinion. I hope they dont leave.

Stadium is located in Hartford which helps with numbers.

IMO a great pick up for P5 conference since they are the major athletic property for the entire state.

Unfortunately, that state is Connecticut. And that's not attractive to any P5 conference. UConn's goal, and their public stance, needs to be to be that they want to be the best AAC member they can be. If something cosmic happens within the P5 and UConn moves up higher on the list of desirable G5 candidates than they are now, then they can hope for an invite.

For some posters here that might happen one day. But at my age I don't expect to see it in my lifetime.

I think UConn is an attractive property and will eventually end up in a P5. Its a state flagship, with good academics, good fan base, and pretty much a blue blood in basketball. They need to get basketball back on track---but I think they have a lot of appeal to the P5.

They have virtually no appeal to the ACC, which would on the surface seem to be their best hope for a P5 invite. Too many schools in the ACC would revolt if they were invited, and I doubt those who might be inclined to vote for them would fight very hard on their behalf.

That good fan base went into witness protection this year in both football and basketball. They drew less than 15K for ECU, and while it's tempting to blame that on their poor record it was only the third game of the season, when it wasn't yet clear how bad both clubs would be. But even if it was clear, that's pretty lousy fan support. In the B1G, Illinois, Purdue, Indiana, Maryland and Rutgers were pretty weak, but they still managed collectively to average 43K fans. UConn gives the B1G nothing of value it doesn't already have enough of.

UConn had a great run for about 16 years in hoops. That was at the height of the Big East's power in basketball. The Huskies have yet to prove they can sustain that without the allure of the BE for recruits. It will be to their great credit if they can get back to those heights, but even then I don't know if it would be enough to overcome their perceived weakness in football.

Right now, they are the longest of longshots for the P5, and probably not in the top 6-8 choices to get promoted. They have a big hill to climb.

(03-29-2018 08:14 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  To my knowledge, Colorado, West Virginia, Syracuse and Pittsburgh all negotiated to leave their former conferences early and did not pay the full exit amount. If a school can leave a power conference with lowered exit fees, why can't a member from a G5 conference?

West Virginia paid 4x the exit fee and Pitt and Syracuse paid 1.5x the edit fee to leave the Big East early.

(03-31-2018 07:53 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 07:33 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 06:39 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 02:56 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 02:34 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  They got a BCS bid in a down BE year with a 8 win season. 8 wins in the prior year had UConn tied for 5th. Lets not act as if that team was something special.

Since joining FBS 8-9 wins has been the UConn ceiling. I think the issue is they are not really located in a great recruiting area. Just a theory---but I think that mainly because all the New England FBS teams seem to be struggling in a similar manner. That said--their track record indicates they have much better attendance upside than someplace place like WKU and thier basketball is basically blue blood in my opinion. I hope they dont leave.

Stadium is located in Hartford which helps with numbers.

IMO a great pick up for P5 conference since they are the major athletic property for the entire state.

Unfortunately, that state is Connecticut. And that's not attractive to any P5 conference. UConn's goal, and their public stance, needs to be to be that they want to be the best AAC member they can be. If something cosmic happens within the P5 and UConn moves up higher on the list of desirable G5 candidates than they are now, then they can hope for an invite.

For some posters here that might happen one day. But at my age I don't expect to see it in my lifetime.

I think UConn is an attractive property and will eventually end up in a P5. Its a state flagship, with good academics, good fan base, and pretty much a blue blood in basketball. They need to get basketball back on track---but I think they have a lot of appeal to the P5.

They have virtually no appeal to the ACC, which would on the surface seem to be their best hope for a P5 invite. Too many schools in the ACC would revolt if they were invited, and I doubt those who might be inclined to vote for them would fight very hard on their behalf.

That good fan base went into witness protection this year in both football and basketball. They drew less than 15K for ECU, and while it's tempting to blame that on their poor record it was only the third game of the season, when it wasn't yet clear how bad both clubs would be. But even if it was clear, that's pretty lousy fan support. In the B1G, Illinois, Purdue, Indiana, Maryland and Rutgers were pretty weak, but they still managed collectively to average 43K fans. UConn gives the B1G nothing of value it doesn't already have enough of.

UConn had a great run for about 16 years in hoops. That was at the height of the Big East's power in basketball. The Huskies have yet to prove they can sustain that without the allure of the BE for recruits. It will be to their great credit if they can get back to those heights, but even then I don't know if it would be enough to overcome their perceived weakness in football.

Right now, they are the longest of longshots for the P5, and probably not in the top 6-8 choices to get promoted. They have a big hill to climb.

We agree on something

(03-31-2018 08:57 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  

(03-29-2018 08:14 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  To my knowledge, Colorado, West Virginia, Syracuse and Pittsburgh all negotiated to leave their former conferences early and did not pay the full exit amount. If a school can leave a power conference with lowered exit fees, why can't a member from a G5 conference?

West Virginia paid 4x the exit fee and Pitt and Syracuse paid 1.5x the edit fee to leave the Big East early.

IIRC, Colorado got what may have been a discount from the Big 12 only because whomever wrote the Big 12's bylaws bungled the language about exit fees and penalties and it was difficult to tell exactly what CU should have owed.

(03-31-2018 10:56 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 08:28 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Where you and I probably strongly disagree is I am by no means sure that if UConn said they were exiting their basketball from the AAC to the Big East, but intended to keep all their other sports in the AAC (or exit the AAC in all sports but football), that the AAC would try to eject their football (and/or other sports) from the conference. I think there's a very good chance they wouldn't.

I don't believe NCAA regulations permit a school to be a basketball only member of a conference. It would have to be all (except football) or nothing I believe.

NCAA has no such regulation. They require a conference that wants FBS status to have 8 full members. Once they have that the NCAA has no interest in whether the 9th football member plays hoops somewhere else.

Even if exit were $0 can't see UConn doing anything until they know what is on the table with AAC's next deal and Big East's next deal.

I don't think the dollars is the critical issue but rather the exposures and the quality of those exposures.

If Big East can offer a significant improvement then they start weighing football options. I'm skeptical BE can offer a significant exposure improvement.

12 UConn games were on ESPN/ESPN2/CBS this year. Exposure wasn't the problem for UConn.

Oh, and the conference rule is the conference your basketball is in is the primary conference you're in. So like Navy's primary conference is the Patriot, but they're in the AAC for football only. You can't be Big East for basketball, and AAC for everything else.

(04-01-2018 02:03 AM)stever20 Wrote:  12 UConn games were on ESPN/ESPN2/CBS this year. Exposure wasn't the problem for UConn.

Oh, and the conference rule is the conference your basketball is in is the primary conference you're in. So like Navy's primary conference is the Patriot, but they're in the AAC for football only. You can't be Big East for basketball, and AAC for everything else.

The NCAA does not care.
If the Big East wanted a hoops only and AAC was willing to let them out for just hoops it can be done as long Big East has enough full members to satisfy auto bid requirements and AAC has enough to satisfy FBS requirements.

The Big East isn't admitting someone for hoops only and AAC isn't letting a school take a sport out of the conference.

(03-29-2018 06:44 PM)Bogg Wrote:  UConn's rightful place is in MSG battling Villanova as co-kings of the Big East. For a variety of reasons that hasn't happened, but Calhoun isn't wrong about the basketball program.

UConn's rightful place is ambiguous. The next coaching hire will determine that.

There's no reason they should be in a major conference though to be fair, I thought they got shafted by the ACC.

They earned an ACC invite imo but without it, they could slide down to the A-10 or even the AEC. The Big East has a good thing going with the Catholic theme, why should they change? For a school not even guaranteed to be good anymore?