(03-29-2018 03:20 PM)green Wrote:  

(03-29-2018 09:34 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  What the haters didn't realize...the ACC Network had value due to hoops, Lax and baseball. Football is the driver in the Fall but the other sports round out the network.

Quote:John Swofford & David Teel: the sport that’s most important in terms of driving the business vehicle if you will, and the most-watched sport and most written-about sport.

When Swofford became commissioner in 1997, men’s basketball revenue, television and postseason, was comparable to football. Now football lords over all, and its renaissance in the ACC has stabilized membership and positioned the league to partner with ESPN on a cable channel, set to launch in 2019.

get out of here with that frou frou chi chi crap ...
football is where it's at ...
winter, spring, summer or fall all U got to do is call ...

I'LL BE THERE

Correct - basketball only adds 20% of the value of the ACC Network, while lacrosse only adds filler during the Spring when there are no baseball games.

(03-29-2018 03:29 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  Way more basketball content. The football content to put on the ACC Network will have low value -- like BC versus some I-AA team. There's enough basketball content available that you can put some decent conference games on the network.

Quote:Allen Iverson: I mean listen, we're sitting here talking about practice, not a game, not a game, not a game, but we're talking about practice. Not the game that I go out there and die for and play every game like it's my last but we're talking about practice man. How silly is that?

you neglect to consider cheap-to-produce ancillary content like repeats, coaches shows, recruiting preview/review, spring practice, pro days, nfl draft, league meetings ...

AND THE LIST GOES ON

(03-29-2018 03:29 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(03-29-2018 03:20 PM)green Wrote:  

(03-29-2018 09:34 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  What the haters didn't realize...the ACC Network had value due to hoops, Lax and baseball. Football is the driver in the Fall but the other sports round out the network.

Quote:John Swofford & David Teel: the sport that’s most important in terms of driving the business vehicle if you will, and the most-watched sport and most written-about sport.

When Swofford became commissioner in 1997, men’s basketball revenue, television and postseason, was comparable to football. Now football lords over all, and its renaissance in the ACC has stabilized membership and positioned the league to partner with ESPN on a cable channel, set to launch in 2019.

get out of here with that frou frou chi chi crap ...
football is where it's at ...
winter, spring, summer or fall all U got to do is call ...

I'LL BE THERE

Way more basketball content. The football content to put on the ACC Network will have low value -- like BC versus some I-AA team. There's enough basketball content available that you can put some decent conference games on the network.

Hall...remember no frou frou chi chi crap (WTH ever that means?)
Green doesn't realize that the ACC FB content will be mostly 3rd tier contests on the Network. Sure it has demand but so will hoop games in Jan and Feb, etc....

I guess what we are seeing here on this board is that people from different parts of the ACC footprint will have different reasons for watching the new network... but they WILL watch it.

(03-30-2018 12:53 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I guess what we are seeing here on this board is that people from different parts of the ACC footprint will have different reasons for watching the new network... but they WILL watch it.

Yep!!!!!!!

According to fbschedules.com, Clemson has moved the 2019 game with Wofford from August 31 to November 02. I'm curious if this is related to the ACC Network. I'm thinking they may have a conference game involving Clemson planned for that opening weekend of the network.

(03-31-2018 03:11 PM)Schema Wrote:  According to fbschedules.com, Clemson has moved the 2019 game with Wofford from August 31 to November 02. I'm curious if this is related to the ACC Network. I'm thinking they may have a conference game involving Clemson planned for that opening weekend of the network.

Let's imagine ESPN wetting the bed as much as possible: GT @ Clemson.

(03-31-2018 03:45 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 03:11 PM)Schema Wrote:  According to fbschedules.com, Clemson has moved the 2019 game with Wofford from August 31 to November 02. I'm curious if this is related to the ACC Network. I'm thinking they may have a conference game involving Clemson planned for that opening weekend of the network.

Let's imagine ESPN wetting the bed as much as possible: GT @ Clemson.

That game was rumored as the "first game on the ACC Network" a year ago.
(Note: the first SEC Network game was Texas A&M vs. S. Carolina, IIRC).

(03-31-2018 03:45 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 03:11 PM)Schema Wrote:  According to fbschedules.com, Clemson has moved the 2019 game with Wofford from August 31 to November 02. I'm curious if this is related to the ACC Network. I'm thinking they may have a conference game involving Clemson planned for that opening weekend of the network.

Let's imagine ESPN wetting the bed as much as possible: GT @ Clemson.

It would be a typical ACC move to make one of only two attractive ACC home games we have on a regular basis be a Thursday night affair knowing full well that because so much of Clemson's fanbase has to travel Thursday night attendance always sucks.

(03-31-2018 04:56 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 03:45 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 03:11 PM)Schema Wrote:  According to fbschedules.com, Clemson has moved the 2019 game with Wofford from August 31 to November 02. I'm curious if this is related to the ACC Network. I'm thinking they may have a conference game involving Clemson planned for that opening weekend of the network.

Let's imagine ESPN wetting the bed as much as possible: GT @ Clemson.

It would be a typical ACC move to make one of only two attractive ACC home games we have on a regular basis be a Thursday night affair knowing full well that because so much of Clemson's fanbase has to travel Thursday night attendance always sucks.

They put UNC at Duke basketball on ESPN2 in that network's first year so, yes, I expect one or more high value games on the ACC network in its first year both in football and basketball.

(03-31-2018 03:11 PM)Schema Wrote:  According to fbschedules.com, Clemson has moved the 2019 game with Wofford from August 31 to November 02. I'm curious if this is related to the ACC Network. I'm thinking they may have a conference game involving Clemson planned for that opening weekend of the network.

It probably is. If everyone plays their FCS opponent on the same two days, you overload the ACCN Extra schedule on those days, and miss the opportunity to use some of those games to fill out the ACCN schedule later in the season.

(04-02-2018 09:37 AM)orangefan Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 03:11 PM)Schema Wrote:  According to fbschedules.com, Clemson has moved the 2019 game with Wofford from August 31 to November 02. I'm curious if this is related to the ACC Network. I'm thinking they may have a conference game involving Clemson planned for that opening weekend of the network.

It probably is. If everyone plays their FCS opponent on the same two days, you overload the ACCN Extra schedule on those days, and miss the opportunity to use some of those games to fill out the ACCN schedule later in the season.

Yes. In fact, I'm guessing the ACC will now start encouraging Clemson, FSU, GT and Louisville to play an FCS game the week before their SEC rivalry games - that's 4 guaranteed ACCN games right there!

The other 10 ACC football teams would ideally spread out their FCS games across the first 10 weeks - though they probably have to play them in pairs of teams.

(04-02-2018 03:14 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 09:37 AM)orangefan Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 03:11 PM)Schema Wrote:  According to fbschedules.com, Clemson has moved the 2019 game with Wofford from August 31 to November 02. I'm curious if this is related to the ACC Network. I'm thinking they may have a conference game involving Clemson planned for that opening weekend of the network.

It probably is. If everyone plays their FCS opponent on the same two days, you overload the ACCN Extra schedule on those days, and miss the opportunity to use some of those games to fill out the ACCN schedule later in the season.

Yes. In fact, I'm guessing the ACC will now start encouraging Clemson, FSU, GT and Louisville to play an FCS game the week before their SEC rivalry games - that's 4 guaranteed ACCN games right there!

The other 10 ACC football teams would ideally spread out their FCS games across the first 10 weeks - though they probably have to play them in pairs of teams.

A steady diet of games against FCS teams? If that's all the ACCN were good for, I'd be underwhelmed. We should at least have some interesting basketball games on ACCN.

(04-02-2018 06:03 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 03:14 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 09:37 AM)orangefan Wrote:  

(03-31-2018 03:11 PM)Schema Wrote:  According to fbschedules.com, Clemson has moved the 2019 game with Wofford from August 31 to November 02. I'm curious if this is related to the ACC Network. I'm thinking they may have a conference game involving Clemson planned for that opening weekend of the network.

It probably is. If everyone plays their FCS opponent on the same two days, you overload the ACCN Extra schedule on those days, and miss the opportunity to use some of those games to fill out the ACCN schedule later in the season.

Yes. In fact, I'm guessing the ACC will now start encouraging Clemson, FSU, GT and Louisville to play an FCS game the week before their SEC rivalry games - that's 4 guaranteed ACCN games right there!

The other 10 ACC football teams would ideally spread out their FCS games across the first 10 weeks - though they probably have to play them in pairs of teams.

A steady diet of games against FCS teams? If that's all the ACCN were good for, I'd be underwhelmed. We should at least have some interesting basketball games on ACCN.

Well there aren't enough games against FCS teams to fill the ACCN schedule anyway, so that's not going to be an issue. On the other hand, if you look at what's on the SEC Network, we shouldn't expect to see a lot of marquee matchups either (outside of the first few weeks, perhaps).

Sorry, late to the party on this thread. Not sure any of us should be worried about volume of football content on the ACCN.

Can't speak for other programs, but once the ACCN launches in 2019 I expect the following home SU games to be on it:

OOC - not all opponents announced yet

2019 - Western Michigan, Holy Cross
2020 - Liberty
2021 - Rutgers, Albany, Liberty
2022 - Notre Dame (unless the Irish are Top 12), Ohio, Liberty
2023 - Army
2025 - Army

This assumes no changes have been made in OOC opponents that I didn't know about and obviously there are more still to be added

Conference games will likely come from home games against Pitt, BC, Wake, NC State, UVa, UNC, GT, and Duke with multiple time slots available.

I suspect most of you from the above ACC teams list could probably easily do the same.

With the network, I believe perhaps SU's strategy should focus on playing the likes of Army, Buffalo, UConn, UMass, the Michigan/Ohio MAC clubs, and Rutgers (though this latter one will likely be off and on) and for the P5 opponent (when not playing Army or Rutgers), perhaps Maryland or another mid/lower level B1G team - Illinois, NW, or Indiana.

In terms of FCS opponents more often than not perhaps one of the following - Colgate, Albany, Stony Brook, Wagner, Nova, Maine, and Rhode Island.

Lastly, while the way Disney/ESPN is approaching this as a bundle of Disney/ESPN/SEC/ACC package means this isn't as important as it was to the launch of the BTN, let's not forget that while the football has made impressive strides, ACC basketball is still the best year-in and year-out on a consistent basis.

I hope the projections of $8-10 million come to fruition but right now I am expecting a $5-7 million for the first two years or so which is still great considering many thought the ACCN would never get off the ground. At this point, any less than $5 million will be a disappointment.

Those are my thoughts.

Cheers,
Neil

(04-11-2018 07:38 AM)OrangeDude Wrote:  Sorry, late to the party on this thread. Not sure any of us should be worried about volume of football content on the ACCN.

Can't speak for other programs, but once the ACCN launches in 2019 I expect the following home SU games to be on it:

OOC - not all opponents announced yet

2019 - Western Michigan, Holy Cross
2020 - Liberty
2021 - Rutgers, Albany, Liberty
2022 - Notre Dame (unless the Irish are Top 12), Ohio, Liberty
2023 - Army
2025 - Army

This assumes no changes have been made in OOC opponents that I didn't know about and obviously there are more still to be added

Conference games will likely come from home games against Pitt, BC, Wake, NC State, UVa, UNC, GT, and Duke with multiple time slots available.

I suspect most of you from the above ACC teams list could probably easily do the same.

With the network, I believe perhaps SU's strategy should focus on playing the likes of Army, Buffalo, UConn, UMass, the Michigan/Ohio MAC clubs, and Rutgers (though this latter one will likely be off and on) and for the P5 opponent (when not playing Army or Rutgers), perhaps Maryland or another mid/lower level B1G team - Illinois, NW, or Indiana.

In terms of FCS opponents more often than not perhaps one of the following - Colgate, Albany, Stony Brook, Wagner, Nova, Maine, and Rhode Island.

Lastly, while the way Disney/ESPN is approaching this as a bundle of Disney/ESPN/SEC/ACC package means this isn't as important as it was to the launch of the BTN, let's not forget that while the football has made impressive strides, ACC basketball is still the best year-in and year-out on a consistent basis.

I hope the projections of $8-10 million come to fruition but right now I am expecting a $5-7 million for the first two years or so which is still great considering many thought the ACCN would never get off the ground. At this point, any less than $5 million will be a disappointment.

Those are my thoughts.

Cheers,
Neil

2021 - Rutgers, Albany, Liberty -- All in one season? Really ambitious schedule you got there!

(04-11-2018 07:38 AM)OrangeDude Wrote:  I hope the projections of $8-10 million come to fruition but right now I am expecting a $5-7 million for the first two years or so which is still great considering many thought the ACCN would never get off the ground. At this point, any less than $5 million will be a disappointment.

Those are my thoughts.

Cheers,
Neil

Anything less than $8 million would be a major disappointment in my mind. I'm expecting over $10 million per year per team. No reason the ACCN shouldn't pay the same as the SECN, the way they say they are bundling them together.

(04-11-2018 08:00 AM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 07:38 AM)OrangeDude Wrote:  Sorry, late to the party on this thread. Not sure any of us should be worried about volume of football content on the ACCN.

Can't speak for other programs, but once the ACCN launches in 2019 I expect the following home SU games to be on it:

OOC - not all opponents announced yet

2019 - Western Michigan, Holy Cross
2020 - Liberty
2021 - Rutgers, Albany, Liberty
2022 - Notre Dame (unless the Irish are Top 12), Ohio, Liberty
2023 - Army
2025 - Army

This assumes no changes have been made in OOC opponents that I didn't know about and obviously there are more still to be added

Conference games will likely come from home games against Pitt, BC, Wake, NC State, UVa, UNC, GT, and Duke with multiple time slots available.

I suspect most of you from the above ACC teams list could probably easily do the same.

With the network, I believe perhaps SU's strategy should focus on playing the likes of Army, Buffalo, UConn, UMass, the Michigan/Ohio MAC clubs, and Rutgers (though this latter one will likely be off and on) and for the P5 opponent (when not playing Army or Rutgers), perhaps Maryland or another mid/lower level B1G team - Illinois, NW, or Indiana.

In terms of FCS opponents more often than not perhaps one of the following - Colgate, Albany, Stony Brook, Wagner, Nova, Maine, and Rhode Island.

Lastly, while the way Disney/ESPN is approaching this as a bundle of Disney/ESPN/SEC/ACC package means this isn't as important as it was to the launch of the BTN, let's not forget that while the football has made impressive strides, ACC basketball is still the best year-in and year-out on a consistent basis.

I hope the projections of $8-10 million come to fruition but right now I am expecting a $5-7 million for the first two years or so which is still great considering many thought the ACCN would never get off the ground. At this point, any less than $5 million will be a disappointment.

Those are my thoughts.

Cheers,
Neil

2021 - Rutgers, Albany, Liberty -- All in one season? Really ambitious schedule you got there!

We can't win on this board. We were overscheduling with the likes of Maryland on the schedule (I kid you not, there were a couple of posters here that felt that way) and now this.

Cheers,
Neil

(04-11-2018 08:17 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 07:38 AM)OrangeDude Wrote:  I hope the projections of $8-10 million come to fruition but right now I am expecting a $5-7 million for the first two years or so which is still great considering many thought the ACCN would never get off the ground. At this point, any less than $5 million will be a disappointment.

Those are my thoughts.

Cheers,
Neil

Anything less than $8 million would be a major disappointment in my mind. I'm expecting over $10 million per year per team. No reason the ACCN shouldn't pay the same as the SECN, the way they say they are bundling them together.

I hope you are proven correct. But simply because we are being bundled together with the SEC doesn't guarantee anything.

In its first year the SEC network each institution received only an additional $6 million despite the network making over $450 million that year. We simply don't know yet what factors exist (cord-cutting, negotiated subscriber fees, start-up costs on ESPN's part that might need to be reimbursed) that might impact the revenue the ACCN produces in its first two years.

Hoping for the $8-10 million projected but I definitely will not be disappointed with $5-7 million either.

Cheers,
Neil

(04-11-2018 08:00 AM)Hallcity Wrote:  

(04-11-2018 07:38 AM)OrangeDude Wrote:  Sorry, late to the party on this thread. Not sure any of us should be worried about volume of football content on the ACCN.

Can't speak for other programs, but once the ACCN launches in 2019 I expect the following home SU games to be on it:

OOC - not all opponents announced yet

2019 - Western Michigan, Holy Cross
2020 - Liberty
2021 - Rutgers, Albany, Liberty
2022 - Notre Dame (unless the Irish are Top 12), Ohio, Liberty
2023 - Army
2025 - Army

This assumes no changes have been made in OOC opponents that I didn't know about and obviously there are more still to be added

Conference games will likely come from home games against Pitt, BC, Wake, NC State, UVa, UNC, GT, and Duke with multiple time slots available.

I suspect most of you from the above ACC teams list could probably easily do the same.

With the network, I believe perhaps SU's strategy should focus on playing the likes of Army, Buffalo, UConn, UMass, the Michigan/Ohio MAC clubs, and Rutgers (though this latter one will likely be off and on) and for the P5 opponent (when not playing Army or Rutgers), perhaps Maryland or another mid/lower level B1G team - Illinois, NW, or Indiana.

In terms of FCS opponents more often than not perhaps one of the following - Colgate, Albany, Stony Brook, Wagner, Nova, Maine, and Rhode Island.

Lastly, while the way Disney/ESPN is approaching this as a bundle of Disney/ESPN/SEC/ACC package means this isn't as important as it was to the launch of the BTN, let's not forget that while the football has made impressive strides, ACC basketball is still the best year-in and year-out on a consistent basis.

I hope the projections of $8-10 million come to fruition but right now I am expecting a $5-7 million for the first two years or so which is still great considering many thought the ACCN would never get off the ground. At this point, any less than $5 million will be a disappointment.

Those are my thoughts.

Cheers,
Neil

2021 - Rutgers, Albany, Liberty -- All in one season? Really ambitious schedule you got there!

Year in year out Cuse plays tougher than average P5 OOC schedules. Your comment while true for 2021... isn't true most past years. We are dumbing down our OOC schedules for the future to help become bowl eligible.