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Imo, if UConn goes to the BE they would go independent in football and schedule some regional rivals--Army, UMass, Temple, etc. They've got NCState, Syracuse, Boise St, Boston College, and Clemson in the future. So, I think they could make a go of it.

As a poster said, not really sure why Cusa would be interested in UConn football anyway.
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They are also not regional to Huntington, WV.
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(03-25-2018 07:13 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  They are also not regional to Huntington, WV.

More so than UTEP UTSA North Texas Rice LaTech etc. to be honest I think UCONN football sucks, I’m just thinking of a way to balance things if we took a basketball only school. I hate Murray States guts, but they would raise the conference rpi and strength
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(03-25-2018 06:49 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  
(03-25-2018 06:25 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(03-25-2018 06:09 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  
(03-25-2018 06:08 PM)Niner National Wrote:  
(03-25-2018 06:04 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  UCONN football?

You can't play football in one FBS league and basketball in another.

I think he's assuming they go to big east. Then this arrangement would be within the rules.

Yep

Within the rules, fine, but they'd be a bigger geographic outlier in that proposed conference than UTEP is in our current one and they aren't even that good.

If you're desperate to add one quality basketball program in Murray, I think you're better off adding a pair from within footprint rather than going 500 miles from Norfolk, 700 miles from Huntington and 1,000 miles from Bowling Green/Murfreesboro for very average football in UCONN to offset Murray.

Drop UCONN FB and add FGCU OLY or drop Murray and UCONN FB and add South Alabama.

UCONN would give ODU and Marshall a more regional rival, its the Main/only reason I was thinking like this. Also (if) UCONN did go to the big east, they would be begging someone for an invite

"A regional rival"?

Charlotte and Coastal are both far closer, hell Georgia State and Georgia Southern are both closer to ODU and Marshall, than UCONN is to either if them.

Add Charlotte or Coastal, or somewhere else within footprint that would just shift one more team closer to ODU and Marshall.

And I'm only just now realizing you've omited Western, which is laughable. Troy over Western? UCONN FB/Murray OLY over Western? 04-cheers

Eastern based G5 conference comprising of 9, 10, 12, or 14 of the following:

Locks
Middle
Western
Marshall
ODU
UAB
FAU
App
GS
USM

In the nine member conference, I'm opting for not doubling up in any state, I chose FAU over FIU due to football in this moment. I opted for GS over GSU by virtue of bringing App and GS as a package.

After those nine pick 1, 3, or 5 of the following:
Charlotte
Coastal
FIU
GSU
Troy
USA

That establishes the western boundary as the Mississippi, but I would also consider Arkansas State, Louisiana and Louisiana Tech, as all three have varying levels of support among the aforementioned fanbases. I would happily include La Tech if we must go beyond the Mississippi, I could be swayed on the other two.

If Ohio had any interest, I'd absolutely have that conversation.
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UCONN football brings nothing to the table though. At the end of the day we need to make the split and get it over with so we can bring in a few basketball only schools to get this thing rocking.
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(03-25-2018 07:21 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(03-25-2018 06:49 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  
(03-25-2018 06:25 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(03-25-2018 06:09 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  
(03-25-2018 06:08 PM)Niner National Wrote:  I think he's assuming they go to big east. Then this arrangement would be within the rules.

Yep

Within the rules, fine, but they'd be a bigger geographic outlier in that proposed conference than UTEP is in our current one and they aren't even that good.

If you're desperate to add one quality basketball program in Murray, I think you're better off adding a pair from within footprint rather than going 500 miles from Norfolk, 700 miles from Huntington and 1,000 miles from Bowling Green/Murfreesboro for very average football in UCONN to offset Murray.

Drop UCONN FB and add FGCU OLY or drop Murray and UCONN FB and add South Alabama.

UCONN would give ODU and Marshall a more regional rival, its the Main/only reason I was thinking like this. Also (if) UCONN did go to the big east, they would be begging someone for an invite

"A regional rival"?

Charlotte and Coastal are both far closer, hell Georgia State and Georgia Southern are both closer to ODU and Marshall, than UCONN is to either if them.

Add Charlotte or Coastal, or somewhere else within footprint that would just shift one more team closer to ODU and Marshall.

And I'm only just now realizing you've omited Western, which is laughable. Troy over Western? UCONN FB/Murray OLY over Western?

Eastern based G5 conference comprising of 9, 10, 12, or 14 of the following:

Locks
Middle
Western
Marshall
ODU
UAB
FAU
App
GS
USM

In the nine member conference, I'm opting for not doubling up in any state, I chose FAU over FIU due to football in this moment. I opted fir GS over GSU by virtue of bringing App and GS as a package.

After those nine pick 1, 3, or 5 of the following:
Charlotte
Coastal
FIU
GSU
Troy
USA

That establishes the western boundary as the Mississippi, but I would also consider Arkansas State, Louisiana and Louisiana Tech, as all three have varying levels of support among the aforementioned fanbases. I would happily include La Tech if we must go beyond the Mississippi, I could be swayed on the other two.

If Ohio had any interest, I'd absolutely have that conversation.

Lol. I can’t believe I left out my own damn team 03-lmfao
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(03-25-2018 05:21 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  
(03-25-2018 05:01 PM)BKTopper Wrote:  No way C-USA gets an A10 team. This league should split in 2021. Good get, MWC.

I’m with you, time to cut down travel and stay more regional like it used to be in the past. TV is what drove teams to partner up and that money has gone dry. Make a 10-12 team conference that is was more regional.

Marshall
Middle
WKU
ODU
UAB
FIU (football recruitment)
FAU ( see above)
USM
La Tech
Murray State (basketball only)
Belmont (basketball only)
Troy
Ohio
Miami Ohio

How about something like this?
12 football
14 basketball
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(03-25-2018 05:21 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  
(03-25-2018 05:01 PM)BKTopper Wrote:  No way C-USA gets an A10 team. This league should split in 2021. Good get, MWC.

I’m with you, time to cut down travel and stay more regional like it used to be in the past. TV is what drove teams to partner up and that money has gone dry. Make a 10-12 team conference that is was more regional.

Marshall
Middle
WKU
ODU
UAB
FIU (football recruitment)
FAU ( see above)
USM
La Tech
Murray State (basketball only)
Belmont (basketball only)
Troy
Ohio
Miami Ohio

No thank you to Troy. You can only have 1 school with no academic standards in a conference and we have met that quota, you know who I am talking about.
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(03-25-2018 07:25 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  
(03-25-2018 07:21 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(03-25-2018 06:49 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  
(03-25-2018 06:25 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(03-25-2018 06:09 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  Yep

Within the rules, fine, but they'd be a bigger geographic outlier in that proposed conference than UTEP is in our current one and they aren't even that good.

If you're desperate to add one quality basketball program in Murray, I think you're better off adding a pair from within footprint rather than going 500 miles from Norfolk, 700 miles from Huntington and 1,000 miles from Bowling Green/Murfreesboro for very average football in UCONN to offset Murray.

Drop UCONN FB and add FGCU OLY or drop Murray and UCONN FB and add South Alabama.

UCONN would give ODU and Marshall a more regional rival, its the Main/only reason I was thinking like this. Also (if) UCONN did go to the big east, they would be begging someone for an invite

"A regional rival"?

Charlotte and Coastal are both far closer, hell Georgia State and Georgia Southern are both closer to ODU and Marshall, than UCONN is to either if them.

Add Charlotte or Coastal, or somewhere else within footprint that would just shift one more team closer to ODU and Marshall.

And I'm only just now realizing you've omited Western, which is laughable. Troy over Western? UCONN FB/Murray OLY over Western?

Eastern based G5 conference comprising of 9, 10, 12, or 14 of the following:

Locks
Middle
Western
Marshall
ODU
UAB
FAU
App
GS
USM

In the nine member conference, I'm opting for not doubling up in any state, I chose FAU over FIU due to football in this moment. I opted fir GS over GSU by virtue of bringing App and GS as a package.

After those nine pick 1, 3, or 5 of the following:
Charlotte
Coastal
FIU
GSU
Troy
USA

That establishes the western boundary as the Mississippi, but I would also consider Arkansas State, Louisiana and Louisiana Tech, as all three have varying levels of support among the aforementioned fanbases. I would happily include La Tech if we must go beyond the Mississippi, I could be swayed on the other two.

If Ohio had any interest, I'd absolutely have that conversation.

Lol. I can’t believe I left out my own damn team 03-lmfao

What's really funny is I didn't even notice I was replying to a Western fan.

04-cheers
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(03-25-2018 07:47 PM)FAU Connoisseur Wrote:  
(03-25-2018 05:21 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  
(03-25-2018 05:01 PM)BKTopper Wrote:  No way C-USA gets an A10 team. This league should split in 2021. Good get, MWC.

I’m with you, time to cut down travel and stay more regional like it used to be in the past. TV is what drove teams to partner up and that money has gone dry. Make a 10-12 team conference that is was more regional.

Marshall
Middle
WKU
ODU
UAB
FIU (football recruitment)
FAU ( see above)
USM
La Tech
Murray State (basketball only)
Belmont (basketball only)
Troy
Ohio
Miami Ohio

No thank you to Troy. You can only have 1 school with no academic standards in a conference and we have met that quota, you know who I am talking about.

Troy doesn't make the cut for me either, but I wouldn't veto them if enough other members want them.
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You guys are just rearranging G5 variously with no methods of achieving your goal. Conferences add and remove members the same way, by unanimous decision. The politics of removing a member are almost impossible. Temple being the exception, not the norm.

You have to get a waiver to allow bigger conferences to have a 4-team playoff. Then C-USA eats the Sunbelt in 2 bites.
First:
FIU
FAU
Georgia Southern
Appy State
Marshall
WKU
MTSU
ODU
Charlotte

UAB
USM
La Tech
ULaLa
Arky State
Rice
UNT
UTSA
UTEP

Then you take advantage of the waiver and make 3 divisions:
Appy State
Marshall
WKU
MTSU
ODU
Charlotte

FIU
FAU
Georgia Southern
UAB
USM
La Tech

ULaLa
Arky State
Rice
UNT
UTSA
UTEP

Then you absorb the rest of the Sunbelt, as its own division, for now:
Appy State
Marshall
WKU
MTSU
ODU
Charlotte

FIU
FAU
Georgia Southern
UAB
USM
La Tech

ULaLa
Arky State
Rice
UNT
UTSA
UTEP

Georgia State
South Alabama
Troy
ULaMo
Texas State
NMSU
Coastal Carolina
UT-Arl
UA-LRock

Then when the Big12 does its thing, you're not weakened by any outcome.
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(03-25-2018 08:04 PM)USM@FTL Wrote:  You guys are just rearranging G5 variously with no methods of achieving your goal. Conferences add and remove members the same way, by unanimous decision. The politics of removing a member are almost impossible. Temple being the exception, not the norm.

We're only a few years off from being able to fulfill the eight members in continuous membership required to breakaway. There's some speculation that will be more difficult, but I have yet to see anything definitive on the matter, I suppose we'll see in a few years.
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clt says UNCA should be discussed. Asheville is really nice.
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You can also give up on any eastern MAC school, there isn't one that is worth anything that would move. The only way any of them ever look for a new conference is if 3-4 either would drop sports or change conferences to a IAA conference such as the OVC or MVC Football. And that isn't going to happen unless the NCAA ever says the rules we put in place HAVE to be followed for FBS.

I don't know if there are any basketball only schools that would make CUSA multi bid. Although strengthening the RPI some would Murray State, Belmont, FGCU, or even Evansville, Drexel or College of Charleston make us two bid.
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(03-25-2018 08:13 PM)ghostofclt Wrote:  clt says UNCA should be discussed. Asheville is really nice.

If we're including non football members, I'd include UNCA, but I don't believe they have the budget. Pretty sure they have one of the lowest budgets in the Big South.
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That's one thing about going big. You make your divisions as autonomous as you can. I've separated several schools for political reason. That's why I mentioned "two bites". You're also trying to control future FBS membership by absorbing what's left of the Sunbelt. You stay unbalanced for a bit, then add to each division or independently. You might also wait to see the fallout from any Big 12 expansion. Depending on how many and who the AAC loses.
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(03-25-2018 11:54 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  this will make BYU desperate...AAC should offer them an all-sports invite.

After spending years with a bad conference mate like louisville, why would you want to bring in the decaf version?
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(03-25-2018 05:01 PM)BKTopper Wrote:  No way C-USA gets an A10 team. This league should split in 2021. Good get, MWC.

+1. As soon as possible
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Why would anyone want a gigantic 20 team conference that only gets one NCAA autobid? Breakup into 8 to 10 team conferences. Bigger isn’t better.
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If anyone gets dominate in CUSA, they should be able to leave and just go to another conference like Wichita and Gonzaga has done apparently...I don't get the move for Gonzaga, seems more lateral with a lot more mileage....I doubt they have the same success in MW just by having to play at places like Wyoming, Air Force, Colorado St. and Boise.....
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