More Flug:

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 22h22 hours ago
BTM just broke some news to me but before we release it we want to clear some of it up. Look for an update sometime tomorrow early afternoon. Clue: Mark called Joe in reference to T3 2021. Stay tuned. Stay close.

Expansion Crush‏ @Expansion_Crush 21h21 hours ago
Joe Castiglione, AD of Oklahoma and Mark Silverman, President of BTN and President of Fox Sports

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 21h21 hours ago
Replying to @Expansion_Crush
And that is why they call you Expansion Crush. We will be breaking some news tomorrow..unless Barry breaks it first. Stay tuned.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 59m59 minutes ago
BTM

“Oklahoma’s future relationship with Oklahoma FOX Sports Net and Learfield is completely up in the air for obvious reasons surrounding the sell off of FOX Sport Nets to unknown new owners. Oklahoma currently has their 3rd Tier Deal in place until June 30th, 2022.”

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 58m58 minutes ago
BTM

“FOX Sports under New FOX, after the sell offs of certain unaffected assets to Disney, will be reconstructed under current FOX Sports President Mark Silverman who also happens to remain BTN President at this current time.”

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 57m57 minutes ago
BTM

“As most know, or will find out shortly, University of Oklahoma is the epic center of possible Realignment in the Power 5 Conferences after 2025 when Big 12 Grant of Rights end on June 30th, 2025. Oklahoma will be the straw that stirs the drink.”

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 57m57 minutes ago
BTM

“The first indication of Oklahoma’s decision on where it’s home will be after 2025, be it in their current home Big 12 Conference or in a new P5 Conference, is where Oklahoma decides to park their 3rd Tier content from July 1st, 2022 to June 30th, 2025”

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 52m52 minutes ago
BTM

“FOX Sports & BTN President Mark Silverman has made it known to Oklahoma that they would like to be THE player on where OU parks it’s 3rd Tier content from July 1st 2022 to June 30th 2025 even with OU Sports Net having different owner or if it will even exist in few yrs”

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 48m48 minutes ago
BTM

“All options are on the table for FOX Sports President Mark Silverman to aquire Oklahoma’s 3rd Tier content in those 3 years if Oklahoma chooses to go short term route in 3T contract prior to Big 12 Grant of Rights finishing in 2025.”

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 43m43 minutes ago
BTM

“All options include putting University of Oklahoma 3T content on FS2 and provide streaming Oklahoma’s 3rd Tier content by using avaliable BTN2GO streaming capabilities”

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 40m40 minutes ago
BTM

“No Option is off the table. Not from Mark Silverman perspective. There are many reasons why Silverman has remained the decision maker at both FOX Sports and Big Ten Network and this is one prime example”

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 37m37 minutes ago
BTM

“Who are the other players today who can, and have the desire to go aggressively after, Oklahoma’s 3T Content for a possible short term of 3 years 3 years from now? Silverman has a huge head start.”

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 34m34 minutes ago
BTM

“Silverman will attempt to build a runway for Oklahoma to seamlessly cross over from whatever 3T platform they choose to have from July 1st, 2022 to June 30th, 2025, onto joining the Big Ten Conference on July 1st 2025 and it’s Big Ten Network. This is the goal.”

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 30m30 minutes ago
BTM

“Where Oklahoma decides to park their 3T content after June 30th 2022 and for how long the terms, will tell you everything you need to know where the University of Oklahoma believes their future should be.”

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 27m27 minutes ago
BTM

“Oklahoma will be making their 3T decision (July 1st, 2022 to June 30th, 2025) in approximately 18 months. Cant go much longer than early 2020.”

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 25m25 minutes ago
BTM

“FOX Sports, under NEW FOX, will be coming hard after Oklahoma 3T Content. If FOX Sports fails to get this content for 2022-2025 then you can expect Big Ten won’t become a factor in OU’s future possible realignment decision”

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 22m22 minutes ago
BTM

“But what’s important to acknowledge at this time is there should be no more questions on Big Ten interest in the University of Oklahoma in joining the Big Ten in 2025.”

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 19m19 minutes ago
Me:

I would add one more item to what BTM told us last night. OU’s upcoming decision on where to park their 3T content after June 30th, 2022 will start to be covered very soon by local and National writers. BTM’s info will be confirmed shortly. Silverman is going after OU 3T.

My thoughts on today’s Fluge post:

1. Sounds like OU wants an update on all things related to their T3 contract with the Fox regional networks since those channels have changed ownership. I would do the same. No one like uncertainty, especially when it is from a revenue stream.[/i]

2. If OU does a three year extension with Fox Sports Regional stations, it just means their conference future has not been decided yet. It would be very expensive to lose three years of Teir 1& 2 TV money because OU broke some B12 bylaws by engaging in realignment discussions with other conferences and not notifying the Big 12 of those talks let alone actually planning to leave. Also, I’m sure OU will negotiate with Texas and the other Big 12 schools over the terms and direction of that conference for the next TV contract. All those schools will be doing their homework in realignment this time.

3. Fluge is probably making a meal out of Silverman’s two hard hats—Fox Sports President & Big Ten Network President. Fluge overemphasized Jeff Long Big Ten connections compared to the rest of Long’s work experience. An excerpt from the KU press release:[i]
Prior to leading Arkansas, Long served as athletics director at the University of Pittsburgh. Additionally, he has held administrative roles at the University of Oklahoma, University of Michigan, Virginia Tech University, Eastern Kentucky University and Rice University. He held coaching staff positions at Duke University, the University of Michigan and North Carolina State University. In total, he has been an athletic director and administrator in five of the six Bowl Championship Series conferences — the Big 12, Big Ten, Big East, Atlantic Coast and SEC.[i]
https://today.ku.edu/2018/07/05/universi...-athletics

4. I do think the 18 month window is accurate. Also it’s nice to see some actual decisions being made very soon.

(07-07-2018 05:43 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  My thoughts on today’s Fluge post:

1. Sounds like OU wants an update on all things related to their T3 contract with the Fox regional networks since those channels have changed ownership. I would do the same. No one like uncertainty, especially when it is from a revenue stream.[/i]

2. If OU does a three year extension with Fox Sports Regional stations, it just means their conference future has not been decided yet. It would be very expensive to lose three years of Teir 1& 2 TV money because OU broke some B12 bylaws by engaging in realignment discussions with other conferences and not notifying the Big 12 of those talks let alone actually planning to leave. Also, I’m sure OU will negotiate with Texas and the other Big 12 schools over the terms and direction of that conference for the next TV contract. All those schools will be doing their homework in realignment this time.

3. Fluge is probably making a meal out of Silverman’s two hard hats—Fox Sports President & Big Ten Network President. Fluge overemphasized Jeff Long Big Ten connections compared to the rest of Long’s work experience. An excerpt from the KU press release:[i]
Prior to leading Arkansas, Long served as athletics director at the University of Pittsburgh. Additionally, he has held administrative roles at the University of Oklahoma, University of Michigan, Virginia Tech University, Eastern Kentucky University and Rice University. He held coaching staff positions at Duke University, the University of Michigan and North Carolina State University. In total, he has been an athletic director and administrator in five of the six Bowl Championship Series conferences — the Big 12, Big Ten, Big East, Atlantic Coast and SEC.[i]
https://today.ku.edu/2018/07/05/universi...-athletics

4. I do think the 18 month window is accurate. Also it’s nice to see some actual decisions being made very soon.

Thank for posting it but I agree that where they park their T3 rights for 3 years is meaningless.

Let me point out these things:

1. It's the slowest off season since 2007. Fluggy is hurting for hits and ad revenue from his B.S. Twitter feed.

2. Since there are only two prizes that add to the bottom line of the SEC or Big 10 in 2024-5 is it really news after early articles by Frank that OU is a serious target for the Big 10? Hell no. This putz knows nothing. BTM is a fabrication for spreading whatever he needs to say with an out for liability.

3. That was half a page of tweets that could have said the same thing in 1 tweet. He truly is no better than the Dude!

(07-07-2018 06:00 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(07-07-2018 05:43 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  My thoughts on today’s Fluge post:

1. Sounds like OU wants an update on all things related to their T3 contract with the Fox regional networks since those channels have changed ownership. I would do the same. No one like uncertainty, especially when it is from a revenue stream.[/i]

2. If OU does a three year extension with Fox Sports Regional stations, it just means their conference future has not been decided yet. It would be very expensive to lose three years of Teir 1& 2 TV money because OU broke some B12 bylaws by engaging in realignment discussions with other conferences and not notifying the Big 12 of those talks let alone actually planning to leave. Also, I’m sure OU will negotiate with Texas and the other Big 12 schools over the terms and direction of that conference for the next TV contract. All those schools will be doing their homework in realignment this time.

3. Fluge is probably making a meal out of Silverman’s two hard hats—Fox Sports President & Big Ten Network President. Fluge overemphasized Jeff Long Big Ten connections compared to the rest of Long’s work experience. An excerpt from the KU press release:[i]
Prior to leading Arkansas, Long served as athletics director at the University of Pittsburgh. Additionally, he has held administrative roles at the University of Oklahoma, University of Michigan, Virginia Tech University, Eastern Kentucky University and Rice University. He held coaching staff positions at Duke University, the University of Michigan and North Carolina State University. In total, he has been an athletic director and administrator in five of the six Bowl Championship Series conferences — the Big 12, Big Ten, Big East, Atlantic Coast and SEC.[i]
https://today.ku.edu/2018/07/05/universi...-athletics

4. I do think the 18 month window is accurate. Also it’s nice to see some actual decisions being made very soon.

Thank for posting it but I agree that where they park their T3 rights for 3 years is meaningless.

Let me point out these things:

1. It's the slowest off season since 2007. Fluggy is hurting for hits and ad revenue from his B.S. Twitter feed.

2. Since there are only two prizes that add to the bottom line of the SEC or Big 10 in 2024-5 is it really news after early articles by Frank that OU is a serious target for the Big 10? Hell no. This putz knows nothing. BTM is a fabrication for spreading whatever he needs to say with an out for liability.

3. That was half a page of tweets that could have said the same thing in 1 tweet. He truly is no better than the Dude!

Wouldn't it be more important to see what ESPN does with those rights once they start selling the RSNs?

The RSNs are tied mainly to pro sports franchises. Withdrawing college content from the package wouldn't necessarily hurt the value of resale. So theoretically, ESPN could keep the college content for their purposes and spin off the linear channel. I'm sure they would like to have some additional OU games in their quiver for the time being.

If ESPN just sells off the rights then perhaps an agreement has already been made as to where OU will land. And then perhaps we see realignment sooner than later?

They just couldn't wait until the end of the season, huh?

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
On the docket for later: playoff expansion close to reality? End of the bowl alliance? Big12 and B1G expansion? Demise of a P5 league?

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
It happened about this time last year and it’s happening again with renewed vigor: playoff expansion discussions between conference presidents.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
With the very real possibility of 3 of the 5 power conferences being left out, presidents are regretting this bill of goods they’ve been sold.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
A 1-loss ND being left out would also be a catalyst that could cause the Irish to join the ACC in all sports.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
ESPN is happy to accommodate to expand the playoffs but could also see fox or nbc get in on the action for new first round games.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
I’ll return this afternoon to go into a lot more detail on expansion. Big things happening. It’ll be hard to pac it all in tweets.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
Abysmal ratings. Botched attempt at a conference network. In-fighting between schools. One conference has become ripe for defections that could change the landscape of college football again. That conference is the Pac12.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
There were cracks showing over 2 years ago. Two schools reached out to the B12(Arizona and Arizona State) at the 11th hour of B12 expanding.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
B12 was about to invite BYU and Cincinnati despite pressure from ESPN to not expand. The brief talks with the two P12 schools were a revelation that in the near future the B12 would have better options for expansion.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
Fast forward to now and the Pac12 has not gotten better. The anchor school of USC has not returned to power. Stanford can’t find its footing. Oregon is improving but still a far cry from where they were. The Arizona schools are still reeling from the botched attempt to raid B12

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
Late games with poor ratings. A network no one watches. Fan interest generally the lowest of the P5. The final straw for the Arizona schools was watching Fox put a nascar truck race higher priority over a conference game.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
Arizona and Arizona State will be leaving to join the B12. It’s not even a matter of if now-just when. Talks have been ongoing for a long time. This will return the B12 to its namesake and with the larger tv markets added will be lucrative for the networks as well.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
But it won’t stop there.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
B10 is poised to win the biggest prize with a sizable chunk of the existing Pac12 and the first true national power conference that will span from coast to coast.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
The leftovers from such a move would be ripe for the taking for the B12. Possibly even returning a former member to the fold.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
As a WVU guy this is not the type of expansion I would’ve hoped for. The near miss of FSU and Clemson still stings.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
I know that WVU has tried to negotiate an out with the B12 for a move to either the SEC or ACC if either expands again.

J. Haught‏ @DubVii Nov 15
If the B10 were to take a "sizable chunk" would they also, in turn, look to dump an equal amount of existing schools?

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
Replying to @DubVii
No. The B1G has always had contingency for up to 20 members.

Robbie Jay‏ @Robbiejay84 Nov 15
Which teams would the Big10 Target? USC, Stanford, Cal, Oregon, Washington? Those seem to be the ones that fit the profile best

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
Replying to @Robbiejay84
Add UCLA to that list and you’d have the prize.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
Even the local media in Arizona knows something is going on. Recent stories have hinted as much.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
The Pac12 as a whole is not as valuable to networks due to geography. But in chunks as part of conferences with a more central and eastern makeup they become more valuable.

Tim Webb‏ @realtimwebb Nov 15
Any change the scraps come together with top G5 teams to form a decent conference ( maybe not “power” )

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
Replying to @realtimwebb
I’d imagine if Utah, Washington State, and Oregon State are left holding the Pac12 name they could form a new conference with MW schools and BYU.

Texas Cyclone ‏ @TXCyclones Nov 15
But can anyone really call that a “prize”?

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
Replying to @TXCyclones
A true blue football program in USC, the school with unlimited potential in Oregon, a near blue FB program in Stanford, and a true blue basketball program in UCLA. It’s like winning the powerball.


MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 21m21 minutes ago
Notre Dame is very close to going all-in with the ACC. NBC contract will remain and ND will receive a full share off ACC revenue while “paying” member schools whose games with them appear on NBC

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 20m20 minutes ago
This would necessitate the ACC needing to add a 14th member to keep the divisions even.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 19m19 minutes ago
WVU would be the main target for most ACC schools due to profile and since half the conference is comprised of former conference mates.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 19m19 minutes ago
WVU would not leave B12 before GOR expires unless an out could be agreed on.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 17m17 minutes ago
Other schools ACC would target include UCONN, Temple(yes Temple), Houston, and possibly a sweetheart deal to try and lure Texas(would never happen but Swofford will try)

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 16m16 minutes ago
Don’t count out Cincinnati as a possible target but the two Florida directional AAC schools will not get a sniff due to FSU and Miami.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 16m16 minutes ago
I meant 16th member. Sorry. Brain fart.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 13m13 minutes ago
Meanwhile B12 is looking to become the sports content provider for a new Disney streaming service that is looking to replace Netflix as the number 1 streaming service.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 12m12 minutes ago
This new service could be the new home of many of B12 Olympic sports including a large swath of the baseball games.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 12m12 minutes ago
Financials wouldn’t be a huge boost but every million or two per school helps.

(11-16-2018 11:06 PM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  They just couldn't wait until the end of the season, huh?

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
On the docket for later: playoff expansion close to reality? End of the bowl alliance? Big12 and B1G expansion? Demise of a P5 league?

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
It happened about this time last year and it’s happening again with renewed vigor: playoff expansion discussions between conference presidents.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
With the very real possibility of 3 of the 5 power conferences being left out, presidents are regretting this bill of goods they’ve been sold.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
A 1-loss ND being left out would also be a catalyst that could cause the Irish to join the ACC in all sports.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
ESPN is happy to accommodate to expand the playoffs but could also see fox or nbc get in on the action for new first round games.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
I’ll return this afternoon to go into a lot more detail on expansion. Big things happening. It’ll be hard to pac it all in tweets.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
Abysmal ratings. Botched attempt at a conference network. In-fighting between schools. One conference has become ripe for defections that could change the landscape of college football again. That conference is the Pac12.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
There were cracks showing over 2 years ago. Two schools reached out to the B12(Arizona and Arizona State) at the 11th hour of B12 expanding.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
B12 was about to invite BYU and Cincinnati despite pressure from ESPN to not expand. The brief talks with the two P12 schools were a revelation that in the near future the B12 would have better options for expansion.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
Fast forward to now and the Pac12 has not gotten better. The anchor school of USC has not returned to power. Stanford can’t find its footing. Oregon is improving but still a far cry from where they were. The Arizona schools are still reeling from the botched attempt to raid B12

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
Late games with poor ratings. A network no one watches. Fan interest generally the lowest of the P5. The final straw for the Arizona schools was watching Fox put a nascar truck race higher priority over a conference game.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
Arizona and Arizona State will be leaving to join the B12. It’s not even a matter of if now-just when. Talks have been ongoing for a long time. This will return the B12 to its namesake and with the larger tv markets added will be lucrative for the networks as well.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
But it won’t stop there.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
B10 is poised to win the biggest prize with a sizable chunk of the existing Pac12 and the first true national power conference that will span from coast to coast.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
The leftovers from such a move would be ripe for the taking for the B12. Possibly even returning a former member to the fold.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
As a WVU guy this is not the type of expansion I would’ve hoped for. The near miss of FSU and Clemson still stings.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
I know that WVU has tried to negotiate an out with the B12 for a move to either the SEC or ACC if either expands again.

J. Haught‏ @DubVii Nov 15
If the B10 were to take a "sizable chunk" would they also, in turn, look to dump an equal amount of existing schools?

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
Replying to @DubVii
No. The B1G has always had contingency for up to 20 members.

Robbie Jay‏ @Robbiejay84 Nov 15
Which teams would the Big10 Target? USC, Stanford, Cal, Oregon, Washington? Those seem to be the ones that fit the profile best

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
Replying to @Robbiejay84
Add UCLA to that list and you’d have the prize.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
Even the local media in Arizona knows something is going on. Recent stories have hinted as much.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
The Pac12 as a whole is not as valuable to networks due to geography. But in chunks as part of conferences with a more central and eastern makeup they become more valuable.

Tim Webb‏ @realtimwebb Nov 15
Any change the scraps come together with top G5 teams to form a decent conference ( maybe not “power” )

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
Replying to @realtimwebb
I’d imagine if Utah, Washington State, and Oregon State are left holding the Pac12 name they could form a new conference with MW schools and BYU.

Texas Cyclone ‏ @TXCyclones Nov 15
But can anyone really call that a “prize”?

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
Replying to @TXCyclones
A true blue football program in USC, the school with unlimited potential in Oregon, a near blue FB program in Stanford, and a true blue basketball program in UCLA. It’s like winning the powerball.


MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 21m21 minutes ago
Notre Dame is very close to going all-in with the ACC. NBC contract will remain and ND will receive a full share off ACC revenue while “paying” member schools whose games with them appear on NBC

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 20m20 minutes ago
This would necessitate the ACC needing to add a 14th member to keep the divisions even.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 19m19 minutes ago
WVU would be the main target for most ACC schools due to profile and since half the conference is comprised of former conference mates.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 19m19 minutes ago
WVU would not leave B12 before GOR expires unless an out could be agreed on.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 17m17 minutes ago
Other schools ACC would target include UCONN, Temple(yes Temple), Houston, and possibly a sweetheart deal to try and lure Texas(would never happen but Swofford will try)

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 16m16 minutes ago
Don’t count out Cincinnati as a possible target but the two Florida directional AAC schools will not get a sniff due to FSU and Miami.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 16m16 minutes ago
I meant 16th member. Sorry. Brain fart.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 13m13 minutes ago
Meanwhile B12 is looking to become the sports content provider for a new Disney streaming service that is looking to replace Netflix as the number 1 streaming service.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 12m12 minutes ago
This new service could be the new home of many of B12 Olympic sports including a large swath of the baseball games.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 12m12 minutes ago
Financials wouldn’t be a huge boost but every million or two per school helps.

Well, he's strung together every crank viewpoint from the last year and turned it into a narrative.

The latest speculation for an uber Big 10 expansion had them taking all 8 PAC AAU schools plus Texas and Oklahoma.

Texas and Oklahoma would join the Big 10 West to make 8 with Iowa, Minnesota, Illinois, Northwestern, Nebraska, Wisconsin. The rest of the present Big 10 would form the East.

I had joked with the guy that the SEC could take the best 9 from the ACC and Kansas and do the same. Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, N.C. State, Duke, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Notre Dame. But I also suggested that Notre Dame might like that version of the B1G and Oklahoma might rather have the SEC with Kansas. Of course I don't see Texas going for it either.

As to the Arizona schools they aren't leaving their connections to the L.A. schools.

But the 3 divisions of 8 set up very nicely for both the Big 10 and SEC.

MHVer3 is in many ways worse than Fluguar and on par with his ole Buddy the Dude.

Nobody, of course, is headed anywhere until the Alston case is settled and then if Alston wins it could go bonkers indeed.

But thanks for posting. Even lunacy is fun to kick around.

(11-16-2018 11:06 PM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  They just couldn't wait until the end of the season, huh?

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
On the docket for later: playoff expansion close to reality? End of the bowl alliance? Big12 and B1G expansion? Demise of a P5 league?

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
It happened about this time last year and it’s happening again with renewed vigor: playoff expansion discussions between conference presidents.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
With the very real possibility of 3 of the 5 power conferences being left out, presidents are regretting this bill of goods they’ve been sold.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
A 1-loss ND being left out would also be a catalyst that could cause the Irish to join the ACC in all sports.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
ESPN is happy to accommodate to expand the playoffs but could also see fox or nbc get in on the action for new first round games.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
I’ll return this afternoon to go into a lot more detail on expansion. Big things happening. It’ll be hard to pac it all in tweets.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
Abysmal ratings. Botched attempt at a conference network. In-fighting between schools. One conference has become ripe for defections that could change the landscape of college football again. That conference is the Pac12.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
There were cracks showing over 2 years ago. Two schools reached out to the B12(Arizona and Arizona State) at the 11th hour of B12 expanding.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
B12 was about to invite BYU and Cincinnati despite pressure from ESPN to not expand. The brief talks with the two P12 schools were a revelation that in the near future the B12 would have better options for expansion.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
Fast forward to now and the Pac12 has not gotten better. The anchor school of USC has not returned to power. Stanford can’t find its footing. Oregon is improving but still a far cry from where they were. The Arizona schools are still reeling from the botched attempt to raid B12

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
Late games with poor ratings. A network no one watches. Fan interest generally the lowest of the P5. The final straw for the Arizona schools was watching Fox put a nascar truck race higher priority over a conference game.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
Arizona and Arizona State will be leaving to join the B12. It’s not even a matter of if now-just when. Talks have been ongoing for a long time. This will return the B12 to its namesake and with the larger tv markets added will be lucrative for the networks as well.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
But it won’t stop there.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
B10 is poised to win the biggest prize with a sizable chunk of the existing Pac12 and the first true national power conference that will span from coast to coast.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
The leftovers from such a move would be ripe for the taking for the B12. Possibly even returning a former member to the fold.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
As a WVU guy this is not the type of expansion I would’ve hoped for. The near miss of FSU and Clemson still stings.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
I know that WVU has tried to negotiate an out with the B12 for a move to either the SEC or ACC if either expands again.

J. Haught‏ @DubVii Nov 15
If the B10 were to take a "sizable chunk" would they also, in turn, look to dump an equal amount of existing schools?

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
Replying to @DubVii
No. The B1G has always had contingency for up to 20 members.

Robbie Jay‏ @Robbiejay84 Nov 15
Which teams would the Big10 Target? USC, Stanford, Cal, Oregon, Washington? Those seem to be the ones that fit the profile best

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
Replying to @Robbiejay84
Add UCLA to that list and you’d have the prize.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
Even the local media in Arizona knows something is going on. Recent stories have hinted as much.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
The Pac12 as a whole is not as valuable to networks due to geography. But in chunks as part of conferences with a more central and eastern makeup they become more valuable.

Tim Webb‏ @realtimwebb Nov 15
Any change the scraps come together with top G5 teams to form a decent conference ( maybe not “power” )

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
Replying to @realtimwebb
I’d imagine if Utah, Washington State, and Oregon State are left holding the Pac12 name they could form a new conference with MW schools and BYU.

Texas Cyclone ‏ @TXCyclones Nov 15
But can anyone really call that a “prize”?

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
Replying to @TXCyclones
A true blue football program in USC, the school with unlimited potential in Oregon, a near blue FB program in Stanford, and a true blue basketball program in UCLA. It’s like winning the powerball.


MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 21m21 minutes ago
Notre Dame is very close to going all-in with the ACC. NBC contract will remain and ND will receive a full share off ACC revenue while “paying” member schools whose games with them appear on NBC

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 20m20 minutes ago
This would necessitate the ACC needing to add a 14th member to keep the divisions even.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 19m19 minutes ago
WVU would be the main target for most ACC schools due to profile and since half the conference is comprised of former conference mates.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 19m19 minutes ago
WVU would not leave B12 before GOR expires unless an out could be agreed on.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 17m17 minutes ago
Other schools ACC would target include UCONN, Temple(yes Temple), Houston, and possibly a sweetheart deal to try and lure Texas(would never happen but Swofford will try)

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 16m16 minutes ago
Don’t count out Cincinnati as a possible target but the two Florida directional AAC schools will not get a sniff due to FSU and Miami.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 16m16 minutes ago
I meant 16th member. Sorry. Brain fart.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 13m13 minutes ago
Meanwhile B12 is looking to become the sports content provider for a new Disney streaming service that is looking to replace Netflix as the number 1 streaming service.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 12m12 minutes ago
This new service could be the new home of many of B12 Olympic sports including a large swath of the baseball games.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 12m12 minutes ago
Financials wouldn’t be a huge boost but every million or two per school helps.

I don’t quite understand why he thinks Notre Dame is close to joining the ACC as a full member. His explanation of “paying” member schools for NBC games seems like ND won’t be a following all the rules for regular ACC member.

Also, if Swofford did fully land ND, I would assume he’d go after Texas first and then check down to other schools like West Virginia.

Just my idea, but if the PAC 12 does start the break up, the ACC should invite Notre Dame’s two favorite west coast buddies, Stanford and USC, to help entice Notre Dame to fully join as well.

(11-17-2018 02:11 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(11-16-2018 11:06 PM)Transic_nyc Wrote:  They just couldn't wait until the end of the season, huh?

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
On the docket for later: playoff expansion close to reality? End of the bowl alliance? Big12 and B1G expansion? Demise of a P5 league?

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
It happened about this time last year and it’s happening again with renewed vigor: playoff expansion discussions between conference presidents.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
With the very real possibility of 3 of the 5 power conferences being left out, presidents are regretting this bill of goods they’ve been sold.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
A 1-loss ND being left out would also be a catalyst that could cause the Irish to join the ACC in all sports.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
ESPN is happy to accommodate to expand the playoffs but could also see fox or nbc get in on the action for new first round games.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
I’ll return this afternoon to go into a lot more detail on expansion. Big things happening. It’ll be hard to pac it all in tweets.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
Abysmal ratings. Botched attempt at a conference network. In-fighting between schools. One conference has become ripe for defections that could change the landscape of college football again. That conference is the Pac12.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
There were cracks showing over 2 years ago. Two schools reached out to the B12(Arizona and Arizona State) at the 11th hour of B12 expanding.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
B12 was about to invite BYU and Cincinnati despite pressure from ESPN to not expand. The brief talks with the two P12 schools were a revelation that in the near future the B12 would have better options for expansion.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
Fast forward to now and the Pac12 has not gotten better. The anchor school of USC has not returned to power. Stanford can’t find its footing. Oregon is improving but still a far cry from where they were. The Arizona schools are still reeling from the botched attempt to raid B12

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
Late games with poor ratings. A network no one watches. Fan interest generally the lowest of the P5. The final straw for the Arizona schools was watching Fox put a nascar truck race higher priority over a conference game.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
Arizona and Arizona State will be leaving to join the B12. It’s not even a matter of if now-just when. Talks have been ongoing for a long time. This will return the B12 to its namesake and with the larger tv markets added will be lucrative for the networks as well.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
But it won’t stop there.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
B10 is poised to win the biggest prize with a sizable chunk of the existing Pac12 and the first true national power conference that will span from coast to coast.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
The leftovers from such a move would be ripe for the taking for the B12. Possibly even returning a former member to the fold.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
As a WVU guy this is not the type of expansion I would’ve hoped for. The near miss of FSU and Clemson still stings.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
I know that WVU has tried to negotiate an out with the B12 for a move to either the SEC or ACC if either expands again.

J. Haught‏ @DubVii Nov 15
If the B10 were to take a "sizable chunk" would they also, in turn, look to dump an equal amount of existing schools?

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
Replying to @DubVii
No. The B1G has always had contingency for up to 20 members.

Robbie Jay‏ @Robbiejay84 Nov 15
Which teams would the Big10 Target? USC, Stanford, Cal, Oregon, Washington? Those seem to be the ones that fit the profile best

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
Replying to @Robbiejay84
Add UCLA to that list and you’d have the prize.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
Even the local media in Arizona knows something is going on. Recent stories have hinted as much.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
The Pac12 as a whole is not as valuable to networks due to geography. But in chunks as part of conferences with a more central and eastern makeup they become more valuable.

Tim Webb‏ @realtimwebb Nov 15
Any change the scraps come together with top G5 teams to form a decent conference ( maybe not “power” )

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
Replying to @realtimwebb
I’d imagine if Utah, Washington State, and Oregon State are left holding the Pac12 name they could form a new conference with MW schools and BYU.

Texas Cyclone ‏ @TXCyclones Nov 15
But can anyone really call that a “prize”?

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 Nov 15
Replying to @TXCyclones
A true blue football program in USC, the school with unlimited potential in Oregon, a near blue FB program in Stanford, and a true blue basketball program in UCLA. It’s like winning the powerball.


MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 21m21 minutes ago
Notre Dame is very close to going all-in with the ACC. NBC contract will remain and ND will receive a full share off ACC revenue while “paying” member schools whose games with them appear on NBC

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 20m20 minutes ago
This would necessitate the ACC needing to add a 14th member to keep the divisions even.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 19m19 minutes ago
WVU would be the main target for most ACC schools due to profile and since half the conference is comprised of former conference mates.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 19m19 minutes ago
WVU would not leave B12 before GOR expires unless an out could be agreed on.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 17m17 minutes ago
Other schools ACC would target include UCONN, Temple(yes Temple), Houston, and possibly a sweetheart deal to try and lure Texas(would never happen but Swofford will try)

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 16m16 minutes ago
Don’t count out Cincinnati as a possible target but the two Florida directional AAC schools will not get a sniff due to FSU and Miami.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 16m16 minutes ago
I meant 16th member. Sorry. Brain fart.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 13m13 minutes ago
Meanwhile B12 is looking to become the sports content provider for a new Disney streaming service that is looking to replace Netflix as the number 1 streaming service.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 12m12 minutes ago
This new service could be the new home of many of B12 Olympic sports including a large swath of the baseball games.

MH ver3‏ @MH ver3 12m12 minutes ago
Financials wouldn’t be a huge boost but every million or two per school helps.

I don’t quite understand why he thinks Notre Dame is close to joining the ACC as a full member. His explanation of “paying” member schools for NBC games seems like ND won’t be a following all the rules for regular ACC member.

Also, if Swofford did fully land ND, I would assume he’d go after Texas first and then check down to other schools like West Virginia.

Just my idea, but if the PAC 12 does start the break up, the ACC should invite Notre Dame’s two favorite west coast buddies, Stanford and USC, to help entice Notre Dame to fully join as well.

MH ver 3 lunacy aside, ND is not going to join the ACC in football unless a P4 champs only playoff format is legislated.

Otherwise? It simply does not need to do so. No sale.

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Quote:Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
This is going to take a bit. Plenty of tweets incoming. This info comes from BTM on Saturday night. (Dinner-Sushi) BTM is a Big Ten Source who has broken multiple local and national stories though us on Twitter and @Minnesota247

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Again..all info is coming from BTM. From Big Ten perspective. It’s real...it’s big.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
I shared some of this info before today with my good friend @Expansion_Crush. I was hoping to use different platform to distribute this info. Story for another day.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
FOX Sports (21st Century FOX) who owns 51% of Big Ten Network and holds 50% of Big Ten Tier 1/2 Contract from 2017-2022 + Big Ten Football CCG is overjoyed with the content and ratings Big Ten have delivered in first 2 years of said contract.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
It can’t be undersold the relationship FOX Sports and Big Ten now has..the relationship is cemented in the fact Mark Silverman holds both position as head of Big Ten Network & FOX Sports. I needed to explain all of this to give context to what BTM just told us Saturday night.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
FOX Sports gave a massive contract to Big Ten Network for Tier 1&2 content + CCG + Basketball..etc. The TV AD rates FOX Sports have been able to pass on to its customers..well... FOX Sports is all in on Big Ten Live Sport Content now and into the future. ALL IN.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
FOX Sports & Big Ten want more. Working in tandem they want more. They believe there is an opportunity to gain more content for next Media contract for both to succeed in tandem. Realignment begins with FOX Sports & Big Ten in their attempt to gain more value.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
According to BTM the Big Ten Conference will make Oklahoma & Texas their main targets for expansion for 2024/2025. Both of them. Yes, Texas. Let me explain as best I can what BTM told us on Saturday night.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
There is so much to discuss. It would be easier and cleaner if I could do it on a podcast. But I will give it my best shot here on Twitter. BTM went into great detail. Tremendous detail.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
First, let’s discuss why Big Ten believes their is an opportunity to add Oklahoma & Texas in 2024 & 2025. It starts with the Big 12 Conference.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Choke points. Choke points to successfully deliver live content comes in 3 different forms. 1) Financing 2) Content 3) Distribution Big 12 does not have a Content issue, nor a Financing issue. But it will have a distribution issue in 2024.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
The same reasons why Big 12 could not get an interested distributor in a Conference Network(with or without Texas) is the same reason they won’t get near the same contract for Tier 1&2 Content in their next negotiations compared to SEC & Big Ten. The money gap grows even larger

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
This is what Big Ten plans to do...already doing. Big Ten Conference, in tandem with FOX Sports, will/have made it known to Oklahoma what their intentions are through 3rd parties. Oklahoma is soon to be negotiationing (with who is unknown at this time) a new 3rd Tier Contract

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Big Ten Conference wanted to get out in front of Oklahoma...show them what’s at stake when negotiationing their 3rd Tier Contract. In other words...make it a short term contract Oklahoma because we are willing to make it worthwhile.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Big Ten could not wait to make their intentions known. Big Ten could not wait for 2-3 more years to make plans and act on them. They needed to give OU a road map. And secure place to land once Big 12 GOR is up.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Before I get on to Texas. Let me explain the words Delany expressed today. It was told to us on Saturday night..sure enough..well. Big Ten & ACC will try to push P5 reforms through to make it possible to eliminate Round Robin play in 1 Conference. Let me explain.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Today it’s impossible for SEC, Big Ten, ACC & PAC to lump all their schools into just 1 big division/conference because they would need to play round robin schedule. Delany will push for this reform.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
In public Delany and the Big Ten profess to still support divisions. But in private they would encourage the ability for a conference to line up all of their 12-14-16 schools in one division/conference in Football Conference play. But it’s for reasons you might not think of..

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Yes, in theory securing “2 best teams” in CCG after Conference play would enhance your Conference ability to gain a spot in College Football Playoffs. But it’s more than..much more than CFP significance.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
1) If Big Ten was allowed to have all their schools in 1 Division/Conference with no Round Robin rule it would increase their value to TV/Media even more than it is now. I’m going to get back to this point. 2) Expansion of Conference..expanding value of Conference much easier

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Why Texas now? For those of you who have followed BTM over the years and seen him break the news of Notre Dame Hockey to Big Ten..Fleck to Minnesota..etc.. You know he has always stated Texas will not be the target for Big Ten. Things have changed.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Let’s first take it from the perspective of Big Ten Conference. It’s obvious why Big Ten would want Texas. We are not going to waste time discussing the why..but let’s discuss why Big Ten believes they have an opportunity for Texas to actually say yes.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Texas’s options are incredibly limited if you are to believe Oklahoma will leave the Big 12 after 2025. BTM have stated many times it’s the belief of those within the Big Ten and other P5 programs that Oklahoma will leave Big 12 after 2025.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
Playing Football as an Independent is pretty much is impossible for Texas. Scheduling...and yes, distribution reasons are the major road blocks. Everyone in Texas Leadership will tell you the same thing.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
PAC is not a viable option for those in Texas’s leadership. Texas has studied this option for years. For them, above all else, they don’t want to travel West for all their Athletic Programs. Travel is a roadblock much more than PAC’s current issues.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
SEC is not seen as a viable option for Texas. Boosters & Faculty of the University of Texas would revolt. Texas is not following Texas A&M to SEC. This is Big Ten perspective.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
Now for the last road block LHN...owner by Disney. According to BTM this road block is no more. Nobody now takes this as a serious road block if Texas wants to make a move. There is a contract until 2031 buts it’s not ironclad like the Big 12 GOR of 2025.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
If LHN had any truly significant money value to Disney it would be a different story. But LHN is a losing proposition to Disney..and loser to Texas for exposure. LHN is no longer a log in the road..merely a twig (BTM words)

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
TV Media Contract which Big Ten could say to potential distributor (FOX Sports + Amazon?..CBS?) you will have Ohio State play Texas at least 2 times in 4 years..OU play Penn State 2 times in 4 years..(1 Conference - no Round Robin) Is Delany’s goal.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
Now..will Oklahoma and Texas choose to realign themselves into the Big Ten Conference in 2024/2025? We don’t know. But for the first time BTM has information which leads him to an undeniable truth. Oklahoma & Texas are the targets. Yes, Texas

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
It’s not going to take long to figure out where this is all going. Watch Oklahoma. Watch them. When Oklahoma signs new 3rd Tier Contract and if it’s short term...does not take them past year 2025... Brace for impact.

shoobie doobie doowah‏ @Expansion_Crush 4h4 hours ago
Texas and Oklahoma will be a package deal

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
Replying to @Expansion_Crush
I never though we would get to this point. Never. But here we are.

shoobie doobie doowah‏ @Expansion_Crush 3h3 hours ago
Replying to @flugempire
Thanks for the detailed update! What do you think Texas's price is? 60 to 70 million a year?

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 3h3 hours ago
Real number will be... This is what you get for 1/2 of Big Ten Tier 1/2 package with FOX Sports (2nd half would be matched by FOX Sports or ESPN or ...etc) + BTN $ vs what you think/hope you will get with ? after Big 12 GOR is up and Big 12 negotiating with ?+? Gap will be real.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
If you need something tangible to sink your teeth into when trying to figure out if Big Ten is really planning on being aggressive in next Media negotiations/Realignment..just look at the end date of last contract. 2022.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
Remember back at last Big Ten Media negotiations when out of nowhere FOX Sports got 1/2 of Big Ten Tier 1&2 Contract..gave Big Ten massive deal? Why did Big Ten want deal to end 2022? Why not have contract go to 2028?..2030?..when in uncertain times of live media distribution?

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 3h3 hours ago
Positioning. By 2022 Big Ten and their partner FOX Sports will know the Realignment landscape (wants and needs of Oklahoma & Texas) enough to be able to act and give best effort to land both before Big 12 GOR ends in June 30th, 2025.

Kirk Richardson‏ @kirksreview 4h4 hours ago
Did BTM talk about whether B1G thinks Oklahoma is leaning one way or the other in 2025 - B1G, SEC, staying B12. Logic tells me they will align a short-term 3rd tier contract regardless. Gives them max flexibility. Thoughts?

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
Replying to @kirksreview
SEC is the competition for Oklahoma. According to BTM Oklahoma will leave Big 12. SEC option is viable according to Big Ten perspective. It’s another reason why Texas is being targeted by Big Ten because Big Ten perspective is SEC is not an option for Texas.

MJ‏ @MinnySeminole 2h2 hours ago
MJ Retweeted Greg Flugaur

This isn’t possible without Tech or OSU partnered up w Texas and OU respectively per most recent state legislatures

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Replying to @MinnySeminole
It’s the Big 12 GOR and bylaws which keeps Texas & Oklahoma in Big 12,not legislators of both respective states. Once GOR has run out the decision makers of both universities, BOR & Presidents, will have the ability to make a choice without running to Legislators for go ahead.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Replying to @MinnySeminole
State Legislators will have influence, and will flex them just as boosters. But both Universities have autonomy to decide its Athletic Contracts..which Conference Affiliation is basically your biggest one of them all.

(12-06-2018 04:42 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  Latest and greatest from Fluge

C&P from boneyards

Quote:Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
This is going to take a bit. Plenty of tweets incoming. This info comes from BTM on Saturday night. (Dinner-Sushi) BTM is a Big Ten Source who has broken multiple local and national stories though us on Twitter and @Minnesota247

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Again..all info is coming from BTM. From Big Ten perspective. It’s real...it’s big.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
I shared some of this info before today with my good friend @Expansion_Crush. I was hoping to use different platform to distribute this info. Story for another day.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
FOX Sports (21st Century FOX) who owns 51% of Big Ten Network and holds 50% of Big Ten Tier 1/2 Contract from 2017-2022 + Big Ten Football CCG is overjoyed with the content and ratings Big Ten have delivered in first 2 years of said contract.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
It can’t be undersold the relationship FOX Sports and Big Ten now has..the relationship is cemented in the fact Mark Silverman holds both position as head of Big Ten Network & FOX Sports. I needed to explain all of this to give context to what BTM just told us Saturday night.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
FOX Sports gave a massive contract to Big Ten Network for Tier 1&2 content + CCG + Basketball..etc. The TV AD rates FOX Sports have been able to pass on to its customers..well... FOX Sports is all in on Big Ten Live Sport Content now and into the future. ALL IN.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
FOX Sports & Big Ten want more. Working in tandem they want more. They believe there is an opportunity to gain more content for next Media contract for both to succeed in tandem. Realignment begins with FOX Sports & Big Ten in their attempt to gain more value.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
According to BTM the Big Ten Conference will make Oklahoma & Texas their main targets for expansion for 2024/2025. Both of them. Yes, Texas. Let me explain as best I can what BTM told us on Saturday night.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
There is so much to discuss. It would be easier and cleaner if I could do it on a podcast. But I will give it my best shot here on Twitter. BTM went into great detail. Tremendous detail.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
First, let’s discuss why Big Ten believes their is an opportunity to add Oklahoma & Texas in 2024 & 2025. It starts with the Big 12 Conference.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Choke points. Choke points to successfully deliver live content comes in 3 different forms. 1) Financing 2) Content 3) Distribution Big 12 does not have a Content issue, nor a Financing issue. But it will have a distribution issue in 2024.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
The same reasons why Big 12 could not get an interested distributor in a Conference Network(with or without Texas) is the same reason they won’t get near the same contract for Tier 1&2 Content in their next negotiations compared to SEC & Big Ten. The money gap grows even larger

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
This is what Big Ten plans to do...already doing. Big Ten Conference, in tandem with FOX Sports, will/have made it known to Oklahoma what their intentions are through 3rd parties. Oklahoma is soon to be negotiationing (with who is unknown at this time) a new 3rd Tier Contract

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Big Ten Conference wanted to get out in front of Oklahoma...show them what’s at stake when negotiationing their 3rd Tier Contract. In other words...make it a short term contract Oklahoma because we are willing to make it worthwhile.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Big Ten could not wait to make their intentions known. Big Ten could not wait for 2-3 more years to make plans and act on them. They needed to give OU a road map. And secure place to land once Big 12 GOR is up.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Before I get on to Texas. Let me explain the words Delany expressed today. It was told to us on Saturday night..sure enough..well. Big Ten & ACC will try to push P5 reforms through to make it possible to eliminate Round Robin play in 1 Conference. Let me explain.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Today it’s impossible for SEC, Big Ten, ACC & PAC to lump all their schools into just 1 big division/conference because they would need to play round robin schedule. Delany will push for this reform.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
In public Delany and the Big Ten profess to still support divisions. But in private they would encourage the ability for a conference to line up all of their 12-14-16 schools in one division/conference in Football Conference play. But it’s for reasons you might not think of..

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Yes, in theory securing “2 best teams” in CCG after Conference play would enhance your Conference ability to gain a spot in College Football Playoffs. But it’s more than..much more than CFP significance.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
1) If Big Ten was allowed to have all their schools in 1 Division/Conference with no Round Robin rule it would increase their value to TV/Media even more than it is now. I’m going to get back to this point. 2) Expansion of Conference..expanding value of Conference much easier

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Why Texas now? For those of you who have followed BTM over the years and seen him break the news of Notre Dame Hockey to Big Ten..Fleck to Minnesota..etc.. You know he has always stated Texas will not be the target for Big Ten. Things have changed.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Let’s first take it from the perspective of Big Ten Conference. It’s obvious why Big Ten would want Texas. We are not going to waste time discussing the why..but let’s discuss why Big Ten believes they have an opportunity for Texas to actually say yes.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Texas’s options are incredibly limited if you are to believe Oklahoma will leave the Big 12 after 2025. BTM have stated many times it’s the belief of those within the Big Ten and other P5 programs that Oklahoma will leave Big 12 after 2025.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
Playing Football as an Independent is pretty much is impossible for Texas. Scheduling...and yes, distribution reasons are the major road blocks. Everyone in Texas Leadership will tell you the same thing.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
PAC is not a viable option for those in Texas’s leadership. Texas has studied this option for years. For them, above all else, they don’t want to travel West for all their Athletic Programs. Travel is a roadblock much more than PAC’s current issues.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
SEC is not seen as a viable option for Texas. Boosters & Faculty of the University of Texas would revolt. Texas is not following Texas A&M to SEC. This is Big Ten perspective.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
Now for the last road block LHN...owner by Disney. According to BTM this road block is no more. Nobody now takes this as a serious road block if Texas wants to make a move. There is a contract until 2031 buts it’s not ironclad like the Big 12 GOR of 2025.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
If LHN had any truly significant money value to Disney it would be a different story. But LHN is a losing proposition to Disney..and loser to Texas for exposure. LHN is no longer a log in the road..merely a twig (BTM words)

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
TV Media Contract which Big Ten could say to potential distributor (FOX Sports + Amazon?..CBS?) you will have Ohio State play Texas at least 2 times in 4 years..OU play Penn State 2 times in 4 years..(1 Conference - no Round Robin) Is Delany’s goal.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
Now..will Oklahoma and Texas choose to realign themselves into the Big Ten Conference in 2024/2025? We don’t know. But for the first time BTM has information which leads him to an undeniable truth. Oklahoma & Texas are the targets. Yes, Texas

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
It’s not going to take long to figure out where this is all going. Watch Oklahoma. Watch them. When Oklahoma signs new 3rd Tier Contract and if it’s short term...does not take them past year 2025... Brace for impact.

shoobie doobie doowah‏ @Expansion_Crush 4h4 hours ago
Texas and Oklahoma will be a package deal

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
Replying to @Expansion_Crush
I never though we would get to this point. Never. But here we are.

shoobie doobie doowah‏ @Expansion_Crush 3h3 hours ago
Replying to @flugempire
Thanks for the detailed update! What do you think Texas's price is? 60 to 70 million a year?

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 3h3 hours ago
Real number will be... This is what you get for 1/2 of Big Ten Tier 1/2 package with FOX Sports (2nd half would be matched by FOX Sports or ESPN or ...etc) + BTN $ vs what you think/hope you will get with ? after Big 12 GOR is up and Big 12 negotiating with ?+? Gap will be real.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
If you need something tangible to sink your teeth into when trying to figure out if Big Ten is really planning on being aggressive in next Media negotiations/Realignment..just look at the end date of last contract. 2022.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
Remember back at last Big Ten Media negotiations when out of nowhere FOX Sports got 1/2 of Big Ten Tier 1&2 Contract..gave Big Ten massive deal? Why did Big Ten want deal to end 2022? Why not have contract go to 2028?..2030?..when in uncertain times of live media distribution?

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 3h3 hours ago
Positioning. By 2022 Big Ten and their partner FOX Sports will know the Realignment landscape (wants and needs of Oklahoma & Texas) enough to be able to act and give best effort to land both before Big 12 GOR ends in June 30th, 2025.

Kirk Richardson‏ @kirksreview 4h4 hours ago
Did BTM talk about whether B1G thinks Oklahoma is leaning one way or the other in 2025 - B1G, SEC, staying B12. Logic tells me they will align a short-term 3rd tier contract regardless. Gives them max flexibility. Thoughts?

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
Replying to @kirksreview
SEC is the competition for Oklahoma. According to BTM Oklahoma will leave Big 12. SEC option is viable according to Big Ten perspective. It’s another reason why Texas is being targeted by Big Ten because Big Ten perspective is SEC is not an option for Texas.

MJ‏ @MinnySeminole 2h2 hours ago
MJ Retweeted Greg Flugaur

This isn’t possible without Tech or OSU partnered up w Texas and OU respectively per most recent state legislatures

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Replying to @MinnySeminole
It’s the Big 12 GOR and bylaws which keeps Texas & Oklahoma in Big 12,not legislators of both respective states. Once GOR has run out the decision makers of both universities, BOR & Presidents, will have the ability to make a choice without running to Legislators for go ahead.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Replying to @MinnySeminole
State Legislators will have influence, and will flex them just as boosters. But both Universities have autonomy to decide its Athletic Contracts..which Conference Affiliation is basically your biggest one of them all.

Interest in Big 10 football headed into bowl season is nil. They've lost Urban so there is uncertainty at Ohio State. They've missed the CFP for the second year in a row. Delany does a backhanded dis on Rutgers because in the new network pay models its content and not markets that will get the highest rates. And the Big 10 is poorly positioned for a content driven pay model.

So wrap all of those things together and Fluguar who frequently quotes the Dude so he can shadow box BS with his own BS is merely pandering to the Big 10 market. Just when they are down and out he introduces the prospect of Texas and Oklahoma heading to the Big 10 to save the day.

Never mind that Texas is locked into ESPN until 2031 through the LHN deal. Never mind that Oklahoma and Texas do have political problems at home with ditching their little brothers. Never mind that everything he posts is a mish mash of message board conjecture. Never mind that due to GOR's and the possible intrusion of the FAANG companies in the next round of contract negotiations that neither the schools nor the networks can afford to leak any actual news for fear of lawsuits. Never mind that Texas has the best business model of any university in major college athletics and it is predicated upon playing as many games in the state of Texas as possible. In other words never mind any of the damned reality that is really facing the industry at the school or corporate level, Greg Fluguar isn't generating enough hits to keep his twitter feed bringing in advertising money so it's time for another bullcrap souffle' to spur interest.

Now why we keep dedicating time to this ignoramus is beyond me. Same song second verse, just more off key and a little bit worse!

(12-06-2018 01:07 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-06-2018 04:42 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  Latest and greatest from Fluge

C&P from boneyards

Quote:Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
This is going to take a bit. Plenty of tweets incoming. This info comes from BTM on Saturday night. (Dinner-Sushi) BTM is a Big Ten Source who has broken multiple local and national stories though us on Twitter and @Minnesota247

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Again..all info is coming from BTM. From Big Ten perspective. It’s real...it’s big.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
I shared some of this info before today with my good friend @Expansion_Crush. I was hoping to use different platform to distribute this info. Story for another day.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
FOX Sports (21st Century FOX) who owns 51% of Big Ten Network and holds 50% of Big Ten Tier 1/2 Contract from 2017-2022 + Big Ten Football CCG is overjoyed with the content and ratings Big Ten have delivered in first 2 years of said contract.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
It can’t be undersold the relationship FOX Sports and Big Ten now has..the relationship is cemented in the fact Mark Silverman holds both position as head of Big Ten Network & FOX Sports. I needed to explain all of this to give context to what BTM just told us Saturday night.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
FOX Sports gave a massive contract to Big Ten Network for Tier 1&2 content + CCG + Basketball..etc. The TV AD rates FOX Sports have been able to pass on to its customers..well... FOX Sports is all in on Big Ten Live Sport Content now and into the future. ALL IN.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
FOX Sports & Big Ten want more. Working in tandem they want more. They believe there is an opportunity to gain more content for next Media contract for both to succeed in tandem. Realignment begins with FOX Sports & Big Ten in their attempt to gain more value.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
According to BTM the Big Ten Conference will make Oklahoma & Texas their main targets for expansion for 2024/2025. Both of them. Yes, Texas. Let me explain as best I can what BTM told us on Saturday night.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
There is so much to discuss. It would be easier and cleaner if I could do it on a podcast. But I will give it my best shot here on Twitter. BTM went into great detail. Tremendous detail.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
First, let’s discuss why Big Ten believes their is an opportunity to add Oklahoma & Texas in 2024 & 2025. It starts with the Big 12 Conference.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Choke points. Choke points to successfully deliver live content comes in 3 different forms. 1) Financing 2) Content 3) Distribution Big 12 does not have a Content issue, nor a Financing issue. But it will have a distribution issue in 2024.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
The same reasons why Big 12 could not get an interested distributor in a Conference Network(with or without Texas) is the same reason they won’t get near the same contract for Tier 1&2 Content in their next negotiations compared to SEC & Big Ten. The money gap grows even larger

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
This is what Big Ten plans to do...already doing. Big Ten Conference, in tandem with FOX Sports, will/have made it known to Oklahoma what their intentions are through 3rd parties. Oklahoma is soon to be negotiationing (with who is unknown at this time) a new 3rd Tier Contract

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Big Ten Conference wanted to get out in front of Oklahoma...show them what’s at stake when negotiationing their 3rd Tier Contract. In other words...make it a short term contract Oklahoma because we are willing to make it worthwhile.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Big Ten could not wait to make their intentions known. Big Ten could not wait for 2-3 more years to make plans and act on them. They needed to give OU a road map. And secure place to land once Big 12 GOR is up.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Before I get on to Texas. Let me explain the words Delany expressed today. It was told to us on Saturday night..sure enough..well. Big Ten & ACC will try to push P5 reforms through to make it possible to eliminate Round Robin play in 1 Conference. Let me explain.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Today it’s impossible for SEC, Big Ten, ACC & PAC to lump all their schools into just 1 big division/conference because they would need to play round robin schedule. Delany will push for this reform.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
In public Delany and the Big Ten profess to still support divisions. But in private they would encourage the ability for a conference to line up all of their 12-14-16 schools in one division/conference in Football Conference play. But it’s for reasons you might not think of..

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Yes, in theory securing “2 best teams” in CCG after Conference play would enhance your Conference ability to gain a spot in College Football Playoffs. But it’s more than..much more than CFP significance.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
1) If Big Ten was allowed to have all their schools in 1 Division/Conference with no Round Robin rule it would increase their value to TV/Media even more than it is now. I’m going to get back to this point. 2) Expansion of Conference..expanding value of Conference much easier

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Why Texas now? For those of you who have followed BTM over the years and seen him break the news of Notre Dame Hockey to Big Ten..Fleck to Minnesota..etc.. You know he has always stated Texas will not be the target for Big Ten. Things have changed.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Let’s first take it from the perspective of Big Ten Conference. It’s obvious why Big Ten would want Texas. We are not going to waste time discussing the why..but let’s discuss why Big Ten believes they have an opportunity for Texas to actually say yes.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Texas’s options are incredibly limited if you are to believe Oklahoma will leave the Big 12 after 2025. BTM have stated many times it’s the belief of those within the Big Ten and other P5 programs that Oklahoma will leave Big 12 after 2025.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
Playing Football as an Independent is pretty much is impossible for Texas. Scheduling...and yes, distribution reasons are the major road blocks. Everyone in Texas Leadership will tell you the same thing.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
PAC is not a viable option for those in Texas’s leadership. Texas has studied this option for years. For them, above all else, they don’t want to travel West for all their Athletic Programs. Travel is a roadblock much more than PAC’s current issues.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
SEC is not seen as a viable option for Texas. Boosters & Faculty of the University of Texas would revolt. Texas is not following Texas A&M to SEC. This is Big Ten perspective.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
Now for the last road block LHN...owner by Disney. According to BTM this road block is no more. Nobody now takes this as a serious road block if Texas wants to make a move. There is a contract until 2031 buts it’s not ironclad like the Big 12 GOR of 2025.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
If LHN had any truly significant money value to Disney it would be a different story. But LHN is a losing proposition to Disney..and loser to Texas for exposure. LHN is no longer a log in the road..merely a twig (BTM words)

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
TV Media Contract which Big Ten could say to potential distributor (FOX Sports + Amazon?..CBS?) you will have Ohio State play Texas at least 2 times in 4 years..OU play Penn State 2 times in 4 years..(1 Conference - no Round Robin) Is Delany’s goal.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
Now..will Oklahoma and Texas choose to realign themselves into the Big Ten Conference in 2024/2025? We don’t know. But for the first time BTM has information which leads him to an undeniable truth. Oklahoma & Texas are the targets. Yes, Texas

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
It’s not going to take long to figure out where this is all going. Watch Oklahoma. Watch them. When Oklahoma signs new 3rd Tier Contract and if it’s short term...does not take them past year 2025... Brace for impact.

shoobie doobie doowah‏ @Expansion_Crush 4h4 hours ago
Texas and Oklahoma will be a package deal

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
Replying to @Expansion_Crush
I never though we would get to this point. Never. But here we are.

shoobie doobie doowah‏ @Expansion_Crush 3h3 hours ago
Replying to @flugempire
Thanks for the detailed update! What do you think Texas's price is? 60 to 70 million a year?

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 3h3 hours ago
Real number will be... This is what you get for 1/2 of Big Ten Tier 1/2 package with FOX Sports (2nd half would be matched by FOX Sports or ESPN or ...etc) + BTN $ vs what you think/hope you will get with ? after Big 12 GOR is up and Big 12 negotiating with ?+? Gap will be real.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
If you need something tangible to sink your teeth into when trying to figure out if Big Ten is really planning on being aggressive in next Media negotiations/Realignment..just look at the end date of last contract. 2022.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
Remember back at last Big Ten Media negotiations when out of nowhere FOX Sports got 1/2 of Big Ten Tier 1&2 Contract..gave Big Ten massive deal? Why did Big Ten want deal to end 2022? Why not have contract go to 2028?..2030?..when in uncertain times of live media distribution?

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 3h3 hours ago
Positioning. By 2022 Big Ten and their partner FOX Sports will know the Realignment landscape (wants and needs of Oklahoma & Texas) enough to be able to act and give best effort to land both before Big 12 GOR ends in June 30th, 2025.

Kirk Richardson‏ @kirksreview 4h4 hours ago
Did BTM talk about whether B1G thinks Oklahoma is leaning one way or the other in 2025 - B1G, SEC, staying B12. Logic tells me they will align a short-term 3rd tier contract regardless. Gives them max flexibility. Thoughts?

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
Replying to @kirksreview
SEC is the competition for Oklahoma. According to BTM Oklahoma will leave Big 12. SEC option is viable according to Big Ten perspective. It’s another reason why Texas is being targeted by Big Ten because Big Ten perspective is SEC is not an option for Texas.

MJ‏ @MinnySeminole 2h2 hours ago
MJ Retweeted Greg Flugaur

This isn’t possible without Tech or OSU partnered up w Texas and OU respectively per most recent state legislatures

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Replying to @MinnySeminole
It’s the Big 12 GOR and bylaws which keeps Texas & Oklahoma in Big 12,not legislators of both respective states. Once GOR has run out the decision makers of both universities, BOR & Presidents, will have the ability to make a choice without running to Legislators for go ahead.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Replying to @MinnySeminole
State Legislators will have influence, and will flex them just as boosters. But both Universities have autonomy to decide its Athletic Contracts..which Conference Affiliation is basically your biggest one of them all.

Interest in Big 10 football headed into bowl season is nil. They've lost Urban so there is uncertainty at Ohio State. They've missed the CFP for the second year in a row. Delany does a backhanded dis on Rutgers because in the new network pay models its content and not markets that will get the highest rates. And the Big 10 is poorly positioned for a content driven pay model.

So wrap all of those things together and Fluguar who frequently quotes the Dude so he can shadow box BS with his own BS is merely pandering to the Big 10 market. Just when they are down and out he introduces the prospect of Texas and Oklahoma heading to the Big 10 to save the day.

Never mind that Texas is locked into ESPN until 2031 through the LHN deal. Never mind that Oklahoma and Texas do have political problems at home with ditching their little brothers. Never mind that everything he posts is a mish mash of message board conjecture. Never mind that due to GOR's and the possible intrusion of the FAANG companies in the next round of contract negotiations that neither the schools nor the networks can afford to leak any actual news for fear of lawsuits. Never mind that Texas has the best business model of any university in major college athletics and it is predicated upon playing as many games in the state of Texas as possible. In other words never mind any of the damned reality that is really facing the industry at the school or corporate level, Greg Fluguar isn't generating enough hits to keep his twitter feed bringing in advertising money so it's time for another bullcrap souffle' to spur interest.

Now why we keep dedicating time to this ignoramus is beyond me. Same song second verse, just more off key and a little bit worse!

I don't think Fluguar has any real insight just to be clear, and I always thought if UT & OU were to head to the B1G UT would want a couple reigional partners they picked and Kansas isn't one of them, lol. Not that they mind Kansas but playing Kansas does nothing for UT football, it goes without saying Rice doesn't either.

But my question is why would the LHN being owned by ESPN until 2031 be that big of a deal? I am not aware that the contract dictates what league Texas is in. Isn't the simple way to handle it for UT to assign all the LHN revenues to the B1G? Or make an adjustment on the T1 & T2 revenues to UT until 2031? I know ESPN generally tried to push a 2nd game to the LHN but contractually it only calls for one crappy football game and 6 less than stellar basketball games, the BTN could live without that for 5-6 years until that contract was over?

Also, Texas knows if they go to the SEC or B1G they are not keeping the LHN longterm. The advantage of the B12 was political power that they couldn't have in those other leagues.

I'm not a UT fan but UT did try and get the league to have a conference network when the concept was new and the league balked at the idea. Then they went next to A&M and A&M refused. Its not like they tried to shove it down everyone else's throat, the rest rejected the idea. I do think they went over the top in trying to put high school football games on the channel that would have been an unfair recruiting advantage.

I'm predicting it would happen but if for some unknown reason currently the important teams that left the B12 wanted to come back or attractive regional P5 partners were wanting to come back that would elevate the B12 I'm not sure UT wouldn't accept a conference network in that situation to keep and make the league competitive.

(12-06-2018 03:12 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  

(12-06-2018 01:07 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-06-2018 04:42 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  Latest and greatest from Fluge

C&P from boneyards

Quote:Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
This is going to take a bit. Plenty of tweets incoming. This info comes from BTM on Saturday night. (Dinner-Sushi) BTM is a Big Ten Source who has broken multiple local and national stories though us on Twitter and @Minnesota247

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Again..all info is coming from BTM. From Big Ten perspective. It’s real...it’s big.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
I shared some of this info before today with my good friend @Expansion_Crush. I was hoping to use different platform to distribute this info. Story for another day.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
FOX Sports (21st Century FOX) who owns 51% of Big Ten Network and holds 50% of Big Ten Tier 1/2 Contract from 2017-2022 + Big Ten Football CCG is overjoyed with the content and ratings Big Ten have delivered in first 2 years of said contract.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
It can’t be undersold the relationship FOX Sports and Big Ten now has..the relationship is cemented in the fact Mark Silverman holds both position as head of Big Ten Network & FOX Sports. I needed to explain all of this to give context to what BTM just told us Saturday night.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
FOX Sports gave a massive contract to Big Ten Network for Tier 1&2 content + CCG + Basketball..etc. The TV AD rates FOX Sports have been able to pass on to its customers..well... FOX Sports is all in on Big Ten Live Sport Content now and into the future. ALL IN.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
FOX Sports & Big Ten want more. Working in tandem they want more. They believe there is an opportunity to gain more content for next Media contract for both to succeed in tandem. Realignment begins with FOX Sports & Big Ten in their attempt to gain more value.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
According to BTM the Big Ten Conference will make Oklahoma & Texas their main targets for expansion for 2024/2025. Both of them. Yes, Texas. Let me explain as best I can what BTM told us on Saturday night.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
There is so much to discuss. It would be easier and cleaner if I could do it on a podcast. But I will give it my best shot here on Twitter. BTM went into great detail. Tremendous detail.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
First, let’s discuss why Big Ten believes their is an opportunity to add Oklahoma & Texas in 2024 & 2025. It starts with the Big 12 Conference.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Choke points. Choke points to successfully deliver live content comes in 3 different forms. 1) Financing 2) Content 3) Distribution Big 12 does not have a Content issue, nor a Financing issue. But it will have a distribution issue in 2024.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
The same reasons why Big 12 could not get an interested distributor in a Conference Network(with or without Texas) is the same reason they won’t get near the same contract for Tier 1&2 Content in their next negotiations compared to SEC & Big Ten. The money gap grows even larger

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
This is what Big Ten plans to do...already doing. Big Ten Conference, in tandem with FOX Sports, will/have made it known to Oklahoma what their intentions are through 3rd parties. Oklahoma is soon to be negotiationing (with who is unknown at this time) a new 3rd Tier Contract

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Big Ten Conference wanted to get out in front of Oklahoma...show them what’s at stake when negotiationing their 3rd Tier Contract. In other words...make it a short term contract Oklahoma because we are willing to make it worthwhile.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Big Ten could not wait to make their intentions known. Big Ten could not wait for 2-3 more years to make plans and act on them. They needed to give OU a road map. And secure place to land once Big 12 GOR is up.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Before I get on to Texas. Let me explain the words Delany expressed today. It was told to us on Saturday night..sure enough..well. Big Ten & ACC will try to push P5 reforms through to make it possible to eliminate Round Robin play in 1 Conference. Let me explain.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Today it’s impossible for SEC, Big Ten, ACC & PAC to lump all their schools into just 1 big division/conference because they would need to play round robin schedule. Delany will push for this reform.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
In public Delany and the Big Ten profess to still support divisions. But in private they would encourage the ability for a conference to line up all of their 12-14-16 schools in one division/conference in Football Conference play. But it’s for reasons you might not think of..

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Yes, in theory securing “2 best teams” in CCG after Conference play would enhance your Conference ability to gain a spot in College Football Playoffs. But it’s more than..much more than CFP significance.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
1) If Big Ten was allowed to have all their schools in 1 Division/Conference with no Round Robin rule it would increase their value to TV/Media even more than it is now. I’m going to get back to this point. 2) Expansion of Conference..expanding value of Conference much easier

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Why Texas now? For those of you who have followed BTM over the years and seen him break the news of Notre Dame Hockey to Big Ten..Fleck to Minnesota..etc.. You know he has always stated Texas will not be the target for Big Ten. Things have changed.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Let’s first take it from the perspective of Big Ten Conference. It’s obvious why Big Ten would want Texas. We are not going to waste time discussing the why..but let’s discuss why Big Ten believes they have an opportunity for Texas to actually say yes.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Texas’s options are incredibly limited if you are to believe Oklahoma will leave the Big 12 after 2025. BTM have stated many times it’s the belief of those within the Big Ten and other P5 programs that Oklahoma will leave Big 12 after 2025.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
Playing Football as an Independent is pretty much is impossible for Texas. Scheduling...and yes, distribution reasons are the major road blocks. Everyone in Texas Leadership will tell you the same thing.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
PAC is not a viable option for those in Texas’s leadership. Texas has studied this option for years. For them, above all else, they don’t want to travel West for all their Athletic Programs. Travel is a roadblock much more than PAC’s current issues.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
SEC is not seen as a viable option for Texas. Boosters & Faculty of the University of Texas would revolt. Texas is not following Texas A&M to SEC. This is Big Ten perspective.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
Now for the last road block LHN...owner by Disney. According to BTM this road block is no more. Nobody now takes this as a serious road block if Texas wants to make a move. There is a contract until 2031 buts it’s not ironclad like the Big 12 GOR of 2025.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
If LHN had any truly significant money value to Disney it would be a different story. But LHN is a losing proposition to Disney..and loser to Texas for exposure. LHN is no longer a log in the road..merely a twig (BTM words)

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
TV Media Contract which Big Ten could say to potential distributor (FOX Sports + Amazon?..CBS?) you will have Ohio State play Texas at least 2 times in 4 years..OU play Penn State 2 times in 4 years..(1 Conference - no Round Robin) Is Delany’s goal.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
Now..will Oklahoma and Texas choose to realign themselves into the Big Ten Conference in 2024/2025? We don’t know. But for the first time BTM has information which leads him to an undeniable truth. Oklahoma & Texas are the targets. Yes, Texas

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
It’s not going to take long to figure out where this is all going. Watch Oklahoma. Watch them. When Oklahoma signs new 3rd Tier Contract and if it’s short term...does not take them past year 2025... Brace for impact.

shoobie doobie doowah‏ @Expansion_Crush 4h4 hours ago
Texas and Oklahoma will be a package deal

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
Replying to @Expansion_Crush
I never though we would get to this point. Never. But here we are.

shoobie doobie doowah‏ @Expansion_Crush 3h3 hours ago
Replying to @flugempire
Thanks for the detailed update! What do you think Texas's price is? 60 to 70 million a year?

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 3h3 hours ago
Real number will be... This is what you get for 1/2 of Big Ten Tier 1/2 package with FOX Sports (2nd half would be matched by FOX Sports or ESPN or ...etc) + BTN $ vs what you think/hope you will get with ? after Big 12 GOR is up and Big 12 negotiating with ?+? Gap will be real.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
If you need something tangible to sink your teeth into when trying to figure out if Big Ten is really planning on being aggressive in next Media negotiations/Realignment..just look at the end date of last contract. 2022.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
Remember back at last Big Ten Media negotiations when out of nowhere FOX Sports got 1/2 of Big Ten Tier 1&2 Contract..gave Big Ten massive deal? Why did Big Ten want deal to end 2022? Why not have contract go to 2028?..2030?..when in uncertain times of live media distribution?

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 3h3 hours ago
Positioning. By 2022 Big Ten and their partner FOX Sports will know the Realignment landscape (wants and needs of Oklahoma & Texas) enough to be able to act and give best effort to land both before Big 12 GOR ends in June 30th, 2025.

Kirk Richardson‏ @kirksreview 4h4 hours ago
Did BTM talk about whether B1G thinks Oklahoma is leaning one way or the other in 2025 - B1G, SEC, staying B12. Logic tells me they will align a short-term 3rd tier contract regardless. Gives them max flexibility. Thoughts?

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
Replying to @kirksreview
SEC is the competition for Oklahoma. According to BTM Oklahoma will leave Big 12. SEC option is viable according to Big Ten perspective. It’s another reason why Texas is being targeted by Big Ten because Big Ten perspective is SEC is not an option for Texas.

MJ‏ @MinnySeminole 2h2 hours ago
MJ Retweeted Greg Flugaur

This isn’t possible without Tech or OSU partnered up w Texas and OU respectively per most recent state legislatures

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Replying to @MinnySeminole
It’s the Big 12 GOR and bylaws which keeps Texas & Oklahoma in Big 12,not legislators of both respective states. Once GOR has run out the decision makers of both universities, BOR & Presidents, will have the ability to make a choice without running to Legislators for go ahead.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Replying to @MinnySeminole
State Legislators will have influence, and will flex them just as boosters. But both Universities have autonomy to decide its Athletic Contracts..which Conference Affiliation is basically your biggest one of them all.

Interest in Big 10 football headed into bowl season is nil. They've lost Urban so there is uncertainty at Ohio State. They've missed the CFP for the second year in a row. Delany does a backhanded dis on Rutgers because in the new network pay models its content and not markets that will get the highest rates. And the Big 10 is poorly positioned for a content driven pay model.

So wrap all of those things together and Fluguar who frequently quotes the Dude so he can shadow box BS with his own BS is merely pandering to the Big 10 market. Just when they are down and out he introduces the prospect of Texas and Oklahoma heading to the Big 10 to save the day.

Never mind that Texas is locked into ESPN until 2031 through the LHN deal. Never mind that Oklahoma and Texas do have political problems at home with ditching their little brothers. Never mind that everything he posts is a mish mash of message board conjecture. Never mind that due to GOR's and the possible intrusion of the FAANG companies in the next round of contract negotiations that neither the schools nor the networks can afford to leak any actual news for fear of lawsuits. Never mind that Texas has the best business model of any university in major college athletics and it is predicated upon playing as many games in the state of Texas as possible. In other words never mind any of the damned reality that is really facing the industry at the school or corporate level, Greg Fluguar isn't generating enough hits to keep his twitter feed bringing in advertising money so it's time for another bullcrap souffle' to spur interest.

Now why we keep dedicating time to this ignoramus is beyond me. Same song second verse, just more off key and a little bit worse!

I don't think Fluguar has any real insight just to be clear, and I always thought if UT & OU were to head to the B1G UT would want a couple reigional partners they picked and Kansas isn't one of them, lol. Not that they mind Kansas but playing Kansas does nothing for UT football, it goes without saying Rice doesn't either.

But my question is why would the LHN being owned by ESPN until 2031 be that big of a deal? I am not aware that the contract dictates what league Texas is in. Isn't the simple way to handle it for UT to assign all the LHN revenues to the B1G? Or make an adjustment on the T1 & T2 revenues to UT until 2031? I know ESPN generally tried to push a 2nd game to the LHN but contractually it only calls for one crappy football game and 6 less than stellar basketball games, the BTN could live without that for 5-6 years until that contract was over?

Also, Texas knows if they go to the SEC or B1G they are not keeping the LHN longterm. The advantage of the B12 was political power that they couldn't have in those other leagues.

I'm not a UT fan but UT did try and get the league to have a conference network when the concept was new and the league balked at the idea. Then they went next to A&M and A&M refused. Its not like they tried to shove it down everyone else's throat, the rest rejected the idea. I do think they went over the top in trying to put high school football games on the channel that would have been an unfair recruiting advantage.

I'm predicting it would happen but if for some unknown reason currently the important teams that left the B12 wanted to come back or attractive regional P5 partners were wanting to come back that would elevate the B12 I'm not sure UT wouldn't accept a conference network in that situation to keep and make the league competitive.

It's pretty simple really:
1. The Texas business model doesn't fit that of the Big 10 in any way. And since the Texas business model is the most successful in the nation I don't see them sacrificing that for anything.
2. Oklahoma would be dead last, and by a wide margin, academically in the Big 10. Does that mean the Big 10 would refuse to invite them? No. They bring a lot of revenue value. But it does mean that Oklahoma, like Nebraska, would be an academic and physical outlier.
3. With the growing issues in the PAC the Big 12 (particularly Texas) will be even less inclined to consider other options. Kansas and Oklahoma are another matter.

Something interesting I noticed on Flugaur's Twitter feed.

The only thing he said the other day that wasn't either abundantly obvious or a matter of predicting the future was that Delaney wanted the Big Ten to move to a single division. A very interesting thought that could have impact on how realignment moves forward.

Well, you have these tweets from Dennis Dodd that suggest that very thing. The problem is Flugaur didn't start his Tweet storm until about 12:30 that day. Dodd had posted these remarks earlier in the day...

Quote:Dennis Dodd

@dennisdoddcbs

To Delany: Should Big Ten champ game match two best teams. "It's an item that has been discussed before. There is actually more discussion now than there was four years ago." Wow

10:53 AM - 5 Dec 2018

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Dennis Dodd

@dennisdoddcbs

Jim Delany says matching two best teams in B10 champ game will be discussed.

10:54 AM - 5 Dec 2018

So I can buy that the Big Ten might be interested in getting rid of divisions so they can match their top brands more often...makes sense. But this suggestion did not come from Flugaur.

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Quote:Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
This is going to take a bit. Plenty of tweets incoming. This info comes from BTM on Saturday night. (Dinner-Sushi) BTM is a Big Ten Source who has broken multiple local and national stories though us on Twitter and @Minnesota247

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Again..all info is coming from BTM. From Big Ten perspective. It’s real...it’s big.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
I shared some of this info before today with my good friend @Expansion_Crush. I was hoping to use different platform to distribute this info. Story for another day.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
FOX Sports (21st Century FOX) who owns 51% of Big Ten Network and holds 50% of Big Ten Tier 1/2 Contract from 2017-2022 + Big Ten Football CCG is overjoyed with the content and ratings Big Ten have delivered in first 2 years of said contract.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
It can’t be undersold the relationship FOX Sports and Big Ten now has..the relationship is cemented in the fact Mark Silverman holds both position as head of Big Ten Network & FOX Sports. I needed to explain all of this to give context to what BTM just told us Saturday night.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
FOX Sports gave a massive contract to Big Ten Network for Tier 1&2 content + CCG + Basketball..etc. The TV AD rates FOX Sports have been able to pass on to its customers..well... FOX Sports is all in on Big Ten Live Sport Content now and into the future. ALL IN.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
FOX Sports & Big Ten want more. Working in tandem they want more. They believe there is an opportunity to gain more content for next Media contract for both to succeed in tandem. Realignment begins with FOX Sports & Big Ten in their attempt to gain more value.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
According to BTM the Big Ten Conference will make Oklahoma & Texas their main targets for expansion for 2024/2025. Both of them. Yes, Texas. Let me explain as best I can what BTM told us on Saturday night.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
There is so much to discuss. It would be easier and cleaner if I could do it on a podcast. But I will give it my best shot here on Twitter. BTM went into great detail. Tremendous detail.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
First, let’s discuss why Big Ten believes their is an opportunity to add Oklahoma & Texas in 2024 & 2025. It starts with the Big 12 Conference.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Choke points. Choke points to successfully deliver live content comes in 3 different forms. 1) Financing 2) Content 3) Distribution Big 12 does not have a Content issue, nor a Financing issue. But it will have a distribution issue in 2024.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
The same reasons why Big 12 could not get an interested distributor in a Conference Network(with or without Texas) is the same reason they won’t get near the same contract for Tier 1&2 Content in their next negotiations compared to SEC & Big Ten. The money gap grows even larger

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
This is what Big Ten plans to do...already doing. Big Ten Conference, in tandem with FOX Sports, will/have made it known to Oklahoma what their intentions are through 3rd parties. Oklahoma is soon to be negotiationing (with who is unknown at this time) a new 3rd Tier Contract

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Big Ten Conference wanted to get out in front of Oklahoma...show them what’s at stake when negotiationing their 3rd Tier Contract. In other words...make it a short term contract Oklahoma because we are willing to make it worthwhile.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Big Ten could not wait to make their intentions known. Big Ten could not wait for 2-3 more years to make plans and act on them. They needed to give OU a road map. And secure place to land once Big 12 GOR is up.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Before I get on to Texas. Let me explain the words Delany expressed today. It was told to us on Saturday night..sure enough..well. Big Ten & ACC will try to push P5 reforms through to make it possible to eliminate Round Robin play in 1 Conference. Let me explain.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Today it’s impossible for SEC, Big Ten, ACC & PAC to lump all their schools into just 1 big division/conference because they would need to play round robin schedule. Delany will push for this reform.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
In public Delany and the Big Ten profess to still support divisions. But in private they would encourage the ability for a conference to line up all of their 12-14-16 schools in one division/conference in Football Conference play. But it’s for reasons you might not think of..

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Yes, in theory securing “2 best teams” in CCG after Conference play would enhance your Conference ability to gain a spot in College Football Playoffs. But it’s more than..much more than CFP significance.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
1) If Big Ten was allowed to have all their schools in 1 Division/Conference with no Round Robin rule it would increase their value to TV/Media even more than it is now. I’m going to get back to this point. 2) Expansion of Conference..expanding value of Conference much easier

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Why Texas now? For those of you who have followed BTM over the years and seen him break the news of Notre Dame Hockey to Big Ten..Fleck to Minnesota..etc.. You know he has always stated Texas will not be the target for Big Ten. Things have changed.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Let’s first take it from the perspective of Big Ten Conference. It’s obvious why Big Ten would want Texas. We are not going to waste time discussing the why..but let’s discuss why Big Ten believes they have an opportunity for Texas to actually say yes.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Texas’s options are incredibly limited if you are to believe Oklahoma will leave the Big 12 after 2025. BTM have stated many times it’s the belief of those within the Big Ten and other P5 programs that Oklahoma will leave Big 12 after 2025.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
Playing Football as an Independent is pretty much is impossible for Texas. Scheduling...and yes, distribution reasons are the major road blocks. Everyone in Texas Leadership will tell you the same thing.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
PAC is not a viable option for those in Texas’s leadership. Texas has studied this option for years. For them, above all else, they don’t want to travel West for all their Athletic Programs. Travel is a roadblock much more than PAC’s current issues.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
SEC is not seen as a viable option for Texas. Boosters & Faculty of the University of Texas would revolt. Texas is not following Texas A&M to SEC. This is Big Ten perspective.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
Now for the last road block LHN...owner by Disney. According to BTM this road block is no more. Nobody now takes this as a serious road block if Texas wants to make a move. There is a contract until 2031 buts it’s not ironclad like the Big 12 GOR of 2025.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
If LHN had any truly significant money value to Disney it would be a different story. But LHN is a losing proposition to Disney..and loser to Texas for exposure. LHN is no longer a log in the road..merely a twig (BTM words)

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
TV Media Contract which Big Ten could say to potential distributor (FOX Sports + Amazon?..CBS?) you will have Ohio State play Texas at least 2 times in 4 years..OU play Penn State 2 times in 4 years..(1 Conference - no Round Robin) Is Delany’s goal.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
Now..will Oklahoma and Texas choose to realign themselves into the Big Ten Conference in 2024/2025? We don’t know. But for the first time BTM has information which leads him to an undeniable truth. Oklahoma & Texas are the targets. Yes, Texas

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
It’s not going to take long to figure out where this is all going. Watch Oklahoma. Watch them. When Oklahoma signs new 3rd Tier Contract and if it’s short term...does not take them past year 2025... Brace for impact.

shoobie doobie doowah‏ @Expansion_Crush 4h4 hours ago
Texas and Oklahoma will be a package deal

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
Replying to @Expansion_Crush
I never though we would get to this point. Never. But here we are.

shoobie doobie doowah‏ @Expansion_Crush 3h3 hours ago
Replying to @flugempire
Thanks for the detailed update! What do you think Texas's price is? 60 to 70 million a year?

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 3h3 hours ago
Real number will be... This is what you get for 1/2 of Big Ten Tier 1/2 package with FOX Sports (2nd half would be matched by FOX Sports or ESPN or ...etc) + BTN $ vs what you think/hope you will get with ? after Big 12 GOR is up and Big 12 negotiating with ?+? Gap will be real.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
If you need something tangible to sink your teeth into when trying to figure out if Big Ten is really planning on being aggressive in next Media negotiations/Realignment..just look at the end date of last contract. 2022.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
Remember back at last Big Ten Media negotiations when out of nowhere FOX Sports got 1/2 of Big Ten Tier 1&2 Contract..gave Big Ten massive deal? Why did Big Ten want deal to end 2022? Why not have contract go to 2028?..2030?..when in uncertain times of live media distribution?

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 3h3 hours ago
Positioning. By 2022 Big Ten and their partner FOX Sports will know the Realignment landscape (wants and needs of Oklahoma & Texas) enough to be able to act and give best effort to land both before Big 12 GOR ends in June 30th, 2025.

Kirk Richardson‏ @kirksreview 4h4 hours ago
Did BTM talk about whether B1G thinks Oklahoma is leaning one way or the other in 2025 - B1G, SEC, staying B12. Logic tells me they will align a short-term 3rd tier contract regardless. Gives them max flexibility. Thoughts?

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 4h4 hours ago
Replying to @kirksreview
SEC is the competition for Oklahoma. According to BTM Oklahoma will leave Big 12. SEC option is viable according to Big Ten perspective. It’s another reason why Texas is being targeted by Big Ten because Big Ten perspective is SEC is not an option for Texas.

MJ‏ @MinnySeminole 2h2 hours ago
MJ Retweeted Greg Flugaur

This isn’t possible without Tech or OSU partnered up w Texas and OU respectively per most recent state legislatures

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Replying to @MinnySeminole
It’s the Big 12 GOR and bylaws which keeps Texas & Oklahoma in Big 12,not legislators of both respective states. Once GOR has run out the decision makers of both universities, BOR & Presidents, will have the ability to make a choice without running to Legislators for go ahead.

Greg Flugaur‏ @flugempire 2h2 hours ago
Replying to @MinnySeminole
State Legislators will have influence, and will flex them just as boosters. But both Universities have autonomy to decide its Athletic Contracts..which Conference Affiliation is basically your biggest one of them all.

Interest in Big 10 football headed into bowl season is nil. They've lost Urban so there is uncertainty at Ohio State. They've missed the CFP for the second year in a row. Delany does a backhanded dis on Rutgers because in the new network pay models its content and not markets that will get the highest rates. And the Big 10 is poorly positioned for a content driven pay model.

So wrap all of those things together and Fluguar who frequently quotes the Dude so he can shadow box BS with his own BS is merely pandering to the Big 10 market. Just when they are down and out he introduces the prospect of Texas and Oklahoma heading to the Big 10 to save the day.

Never mind that Texas is locked into ESPN until 2031 through the LHN deal. Never mind that Oklahoma and Texas do have political problems at home with ditching their little brothers. Never mind that everything he posts is a mish mash of message board conjecture. Never mind that due to GOR's and the possible intrusion of the FAANG companies in the next round of contract negotiations that neither the schools nor the networks can afford to leak any actual news for fear of lawsuits. Never mind that Texas has the best business model of any university in major college athletics and it is predicated upon playing as many games in the state of Texas as possible. In other words never mind any of the damned reality that is really facing the industry at the school or corporate level, Greg Fluguar isn't generating enough hits to keep his twitter feed bringing in advertising money so it's time for another bullcrap souffle' to spur interest.

Now why we keep dedicating time to this ignoramus is beyond me. Same song second verse, just more off key and a little bit worse!

I don't think Fluguar has any real insight just to be clear, and I always thought if UT & OU were to head to the B1G UT would want a couple reigional partners they picked and Kansas isn't one of them, lol. Not that they mind Kansas but playing Kansas does nothing for UT football, it goes without saying Rice doesn't either.

But my question is why would the LHN being owned by ESPN until 2031 be that big of a deal? I am not aware that the contract dictates what league Texas is in. Isn't the simple way to handle it for UT to assign all the LHN revenues to the B1G? Or make an adjustment on the T1 & T2 revenues to UT until 2031? I know ESPN generally tried to push a 2nd game to the LHN but contractually it only calls for one crappy football game and 6 less than stellar basketball games, the BTN could live without that for 5-6 years until that contract was over?

Also, Texas knows if they go to the SEC or B1G they are not keeping the LHN longterm. The advantage of the B12 was political power that they couldn't have in those other leagues.

I'm not a UT fan but UT did try and get the league to have a conference network when the concept was new and the league balked at the idea. Then they went next to A&M and A&M refused. Its not like they tried to shove it down everyone else's throat, the rest rejected the idea. I do think they went over the top in trying to put high school football games on the channel that would have been an unfair recruiting advantage.

I'm predicting it would happen but if for some unknown reason currently the important teams that left the B12 wanted to come back or attractive regional P5 partners were wanting to come back that would elevate the B12 I'm not sure UT wouldn't accept a conference network in that situation to keep and make the league competitive.

It's pretty simple really:
1. The Texas business model doesn't fit that of the Big 10 in any way. And since the Texas business model is the most successful in the nation I don't see them sacrificing that for anything.
2. Oklahoma would be dead last, and by a wide margin, academically in the Big 10. Does that mean the Big 10 would refuse to invite them? No. They bring a lot of revenue value. But it does mean that Oklahoma, like Nebraska, would be an academic and physical outlier.
3. With the growing issues in the PAC the Big 12 (particularly Texas) will be even less inclined to consider other options. Kansas and Oklahoma are another matter.

IF Texas was going to join and the T1& T2 revenues of the league were larger I don't think the LHN revenue is an issue. But I'm not saying Texas should go to the B1G. I also have a hard time believing Texas would go without two more regional partners along with OU anyway.

(12-06-2018 05:44 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  

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(12-06-2018 01:07 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-06-2018 04:42 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  Latest and greatest from Fluge

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Interest in Big 10 football headed into bowl season is nil. They've lost Urban so there is uncertainty at Ohio State. They've missed the CFP for the second year in a row. Delany does a backhanded dis on Rutgers because in the new network pay models its content and not markets that will get the highest rates. And the Big 10 is poorly positioned for a content driven pay model.

So wrap all of those things together and Fluguar who frequently quotes the Dude so he can shadow box BS with his own BS is merely pandering to the Big 10 market. Just when they are down and out he introduces the prospect of Texas and Oklahoma heading to the Big 10 to save the day.

Never mind that Texas is locked into ESPN until 2031 through the LHN deal. Never mind that Oklahoma and Texas do have political problems at home with ditching their little brothers. Never mind that everything he posts is a mish mash of message board conjecture. Never mind that due to GOR's and the possible intrusion of the FAANG companies in the next round of contract negotiations that neither the schools nor the networks can afford to leak any actual news for fear of lawsuits. Never mind that Texas has the best business model of any university in major college athletics and it is predicated upon playing as many games in the state of Texas as possible. In other words never mind any of the damned reality that is really facing the industry at the school or corporate level, Greg Fluguar isn't generating enough hits to keep his twitter feed bringing in advertising money so it's time for another bullcrap souffle' to spur interest.

Now why we keep dedicating time to this ignoramus is beyond me. Same song second verse, just more off key and a little bit worse!

I don't think Fluguar has any real insight just to be clear, and I always thought if UT & OU were to head to the B1G UT would want a couple reigional partners they picked and Kansas isn't one of them, lol. Not that they mind Kansas but playing Kansas does nothing for UT football, it goes without saying Rice doesn't either.

But my question is why would the LHN being owned by ESPN until 2031 be that big of a deal? I am not aware that the contract dictates what league Texas is in. Isn't the simple way to handle it for UT to assign all the LHN revenues to the B1G? Or make an adjustment on the T1 & T2 revenues to UT until 2031? I know ESPN generally tried to push a 2nd game to the LHN but contractually it only calls for one crappy football game and 6 less than stellar basketball games, the BTN could live without that for 5-6 years until that contract was over?

Also, Texas knows if they go to the SEC or B1G they are not keeping the LHN longterm. The advantage of the B12 was political power that they couldn't have in those other leagues.

I'm not a UT fan but UT did try and get the league to have a conference network when the concept was new and the league balked at the idea. Then they went next to A&M and A&M refused. Its not like they tried to shove it down everyone else's throat, the rest rejected the idea. I do think they went over the top in trying to put high school football games on the channel that would have been an unfair recruiting advantage.

I'm predicting it would happen but if for some unknown reason currently the important teams that left the B12 wanted to come back or attractive regional P5 partners were wanting to come back that would elevate the B12 I'm not sure UT wouldn't accept a conference network in that situation to keep and make the league competitive.

It's pretty simple really:
1. The Texas business model doesn't fit that of the Big 10 in any way. And since the Texas business model is the most successful in the nation I don't see them sacrificing that for anything.
2. Oklahoma would be dead last, and by a wide margin, academically in the Big 10. Does that mean the Big 10 would refuse to invite them? No. They bring a lot of revenue value. But it does mean that Oklahoma, like Nebraska, would be an academic and physical outlier.
3. With the growing issues in the PAC the Big 12 (particularly Texas) will be even less inclined to consider other options. Kansas and Oklahoma are another matter.

IF Texas was going to join and the T1& T2 revenues of the league were larger I don't think the LHN revenue is an issue. But I'm not saying Texas should go to the B1G. I also have a hard time believing Texas would go without two more regional partners along with OU anyway.

At the end of this season the Big 10 should earn 50.1 million in TV revenue. The SEC should be around 46 million. We didn't get Sugar bowl revenue last year and we get an annual escalator of around 2 million and we earned 41.7 or something like that. So if Texas wanted to head to the Big 10 and revenue was the issue, then 35 million (Big 12 current TV revenue) plus 15 million for the LHN, plus any escalation the Big 12 was scheduled to receive would be the minimum of what the Big 10 would have to offer so roughly 53 million would be break even on TV revenue for Texas to make such a move. But, they would have to give ESPN their contracted T3 rights, and couldn't get a share of the BTN (think 10 millon of the 50.1 million), so to make the move on T1 and T2 alone Texas would have to get 63 million plus from the Big 10 for just their T1 and T2 and there is no way the Big 10 could afford to take tag-alongs for that kind of money.

You can't pay Texas for T3 (BTN) if their T3 is with ESPN. There's the rub.