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RE: Current Media Contract 2.3-2.6m per Memphis Pres
Espn is definitely going to bid. They need content with all the dumb conference channels. We also offer good Thursday and Friday night content for football that they would be lacking. My guess is espn gets tier 1....tier 2 is a toss up between nbc and cbs. Tier 3 rights will allow local stations to broadcast and money stays with those teams and anything else goes espn+.
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ESPN will not be bidding on tier 1.

Our content is not central to their line up. They have other options. NBC and CBS will both bid more to make our content the base of their sports channels. ESPN has the ACC, PAC, etc as their base. ESPN doesn't need us and won't want to match the other bids, ESPN knows how much cbssports paid them for games after all. If we don't hearbefore football season about us signing with ESPN, they won't be a player in this.
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(04-13-2018 10:05 AM)TU4ever Wrote:  ESPN will not be bidding on tier 1.

Our content is not central to their line up. They have other options. NBC and CBS will both bid more to make our content the base of their sports channels. ESPN has the ACC, PAC, etc as their base. ESPN doesn't need us and won't want to match the other bids, ESPN knows how much cbssports paid them for games after all. If we don't hearbefore football season about us signing with ESPN, they won't be a player in this.

Why on Earth do you feel like they won't bid for our tier 1? ESPN has the most to lose by losing the AAC. CBS sports is fine getting some games. NBC is the dark horse if they want to make a strong play at our content.
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(04-13-2018 10:28 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  
(04-13-2018 10:05 AM)TU4ever Wrote:  ESPN will not be bidding on tier 1.

Our content is not central to their line up. They have other options. NBC and CBS will both bid more to make our content the base of their sports channels. ESPN has the ACC, PAC, etc as their base. ESPN doesn't need us and won't want to match the other bids, ESPN knows how much cbssports paid them for games after all. If we don't hearbefore football season about us signing with ESPN, they won't be a player in this.

Why on Earth do you feel like they won't bid for our tier 1? ESPN has the most to lose by losing the AAC. CBS sports is fine getting some games. NBC is the dark horse if they want to make a strong play at our content.

Agree. My guess is ESPN will end up splitting the tier one rights with NBC. Basically 20-25 games each. The rest of the games will probably end up on CBS-Sports or ESPN-Plus.
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(04-13-2018 10:28 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  
(04-13-2018 10:05 AM)TU4ever Wrote:  ESPN will not be bidding on tier 1.

Our content is not central to their line up. They have other options. NBC and CBS will both bid more to make our content the base of their sports channels. ESPN has the ACC, PAC, etc as their base. ESPN doesn't need us and won't want to match the other bids, ESPN knows how much cbssports paid them for games after all. If we don't hearbefore football season about us signing with ESPN, they won't be a player in this.

Why on Earth do you feel like they won't bid for our tier 1? ESPN has the most to lose by losing the AAC. CBS sports is fine getting some games. NBC is the dark horse if they want to make a strong play at our content.


Because they know what CBS is willing to bid and most likely what NBC will pay as well, they have been selling our content to others so they know the market value and the market space available. If they were anywhere close to offering that amount we would have signed with the latest group of conference media deals.

Also if ESPN needs our content so bad why are they selling huge chunks of it? They have plenty of content available with even more sports rights soon from the fox regional channels coming under their control. They are anchored by pro sports and the P5. They will be looking for value not quantity.

Meanwhile CBS sports will base it's line-up largely on us. They will pay well and toss us a few OTA broadcasts (mostly in basketball) to sweeten the deal. NBC has almost no major college sports deals beyond Notre Dame football. The AAC would dominate it's coverage just based on quantity, they have open slots around Notre Dame games that they can offer and get a better return on than the infomercial they put up against espn's full day of football, Fox's full slate, and CBS's sec coverage.

It comes down to CBS/NBC and their sports channels needing the content more and being willing to pay for it. We already know CBS will pay more than ESPN was willing to. ESPN is smart, after NBC and CBS divy up the top dollar content their will be plenty of value left over and they can pick it up cheap with no one else really left to bid on the inventory.
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(04-13-2018 12:45 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  
(04-13-2018 10:28 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  
(04-13-2018 10:05 AM)TU4ever Wrote:  ESPN will not be bidding on tier 1.

Our content is not central to their line up. They have other options. NBC and CBS will both bid more to make our content the base of their sports channels. ESPN has the ACC, PAC, etc as their base. ESPN doesn't need us and won't want to match the other bids, ESPN knows how much cbssports paid them for games after all. If we don't hearbefore football season about us signing with ESPN, they won't be a player in this.

Why on Earth do you feel like they won't bid for our tier 1? ESPN has the most to lose by losing the AAC. CBS sports is fine getting some games. NBC is the dark horse if they want to make a strong play at our content.


Because they know what CBS is willing to bid and most likely what NBC will pay as well, they have been selling our content to others so they know the market value and the market space available. If they were anywhere close to offering that amount we would have signed with the latest group of conference media deals.

Also if ESPN needs our content so bad why are they selling huge chunks of it? They have plenty of content available with even more sports rights soon from the fox regional channels coming under their control. They are anchored by pro sports and the P5. They will be looking for value not quantity.

Meanwhile CBS sports will base it's line-up largely on us. They will pay well and toss us a few OTA broadcasts (mostly in basketball) to sweeten the deal. NBC has almost no major college sports deals beyond Notre Dame football. The AAC would dominate it's coverage just based on quantity, they have open slots around Notre Dame games that they can offer and get a better return on than the infomercial they put up against espn's full day of football, Fox's full slate, and CBS's sec coverage.

It comes down to CBS/NBC and their sports channels needing the content more and being willing to pay for it. We already know CBS will pay more than ESPN was willing to. ESPN is smart, after NBC and CBS divy up the top dollar content their will be plenty of value left over and they can pick it up cheap with no one else really left to bid on the inventory.

ESPN currently sells off the AAC content they dont really want. Unless ESPN wants to just keep the junk, they cant let first and second tier AAC rights be sold off to rival bidders and just wait on the leftovers.
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RE: Current Media Contract 2.3-2.6m per Memphis Pres
(04-13-2018 01:17 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-13-2018 12:45 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  
(04-13-2018 10:28 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  
(04-13-2018 10:05 AM)TU4ever Wrote:  ESPN will not be bidding on tier 1.

Our content is not central to their line up. They have other options. NBC and CBS will both bid more to make our content the base of their sports channels. ESPN has the ACC, PAC, etc as their base. ESPN doesn't need us and won't want to match the other bids, ESPN knows how much cbssports paid them for games after all. If we don't hearbefore football season about us signing with ESPN, they won't be a player in this.

Why on Earth do you feel like they won't bid for our tier 1? ESPN has the most to lose by losing the AAC. CBS sports is fine getting some games. NBC is the dark horse if they want to make a strong play at our content.


Because they know what CBS is willing to bid and most likely what NBC will pay as well, they have been selling our content to others so they know the market value and the market space available. If they were anywhere close to offering that amount we would have signed with the latest group of conference media deals.

Also if ESPN needs our content so bad why are they selling huge chunks of it? They have plenty of content available with even more sports rights soon from the fox regional channels coming under their control. They are anchored by pro sports and the P5. They will be looking for value not quantity.

Meanwhile CBS sports will base it's line-up largely on us. They will pay well and toss us a few OTA broadcasts (mostly in basketball) to sweeten the deal. NBC has almost no major college sports deals beyond Notre Dame football. The AAC would dominate it's coverage just based on quantity, they have open slots around Notre Dame games that they can offer and get a better return on than the infomercial they put up against espn's full day of football, Fox's full slate, and CBS's sec coverage.

It comes down to CBS/NBC and their sports channels needing the content more and being willing to pay for it. We already know CBS will pay more than ESPN was willing to. ESPN is smart, after NBC and CBS divy up the top dollar content their will be plenty of value left over and they can pick it up cheap with no one else really left to bid on the inventory.

ESPN currently sells off the AAC content they dont really want. Unless ESPN wants to just keep the junk, they cant let first and second tier AAC rights be sold off to rival bidders and just wait on the leftovers.


We are not their top tier.

At NBC or CBS we would be, they will pay to make that the case. ESPN will not. It's why we haven't already worked out a deal like the other conferences did recently. ESPN can get decent ratings off of a Thurs night game who ever is playing and fill Saturday with P5 matchups our value to them is limited. They won't pay top dollar for us, the other two will because they have less options.

ESPN sold off quality matchups not just the low nobody cares games. ESPN won't pay as much as CBS/NBC for the top 2 tiers but will steal the deal on the left overs to pick up content for streaming and ESPN U/News for cheap.
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RE: Current Media Contract 2.3-2.6m per Memphis Pres
(04-13-2018 01:35 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  
(04-13-2018 01:17 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-13-2018 12:45 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  
(04-13-2018 10:28 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  
(04-13-2018 10:05 AM)TU4ever Wrote:  ESPN will not be bidding on tier 1.

Our content is not central to their line up. They have other options. NBC and CBS will both bid more to make our content the base of their sports channels. ESPN has the ACC, PAC, etc as their base. ESPN doesn't need us and won't want to match the other bids, ESPN knows how much cbssports paid them for games after all. If we don't hearbefore football season about us signing with ESPN, they won't be a player in this.

Why on Earth do you feel like they won't bid for our tier 1? ESPN has the most to lose by losing the AAC. CBS sports is fine getting some games. NBC is the dark horse if they want to make a strong play at our content.


Because they know what CBS is willing to bid and most likely what NBC will pay as well, they have been selling our content to others so they know the market value and the market space available. If they were anywhere close to offering that amount we would have signed with the latest group of conference media deals.

Also if ESPN needs our content so bad why are they selling huge chunks of it? They have plenty of content available with even more sports rights soon from the fox regional channels coming under their control. They are anchored by pro sports and the P5. They will be looking for value not quantity.

Meanwhile CBS sports will base it's line-up largely on us. They will pay well and toss us a few OTA broadcasts (mostly in basketball) to sweeten the deal. NBC has almost no major college sports deals beyond Notre Dame football. The AAC would dominate it's coverage just based on quantity, they have open slots around Notre Dame games that they can offer and get a better return on than the infomercial they put up against espn's full day of football, Fox's full slate, and CBS's sec coverage.

It comes down to CBS/NBC and their sports channels needing the content more and being willing to pay for it. We already know CBS will pay more than ESPN was willing to. ESPN is smart, after NBC and CBS divy up the top dollar content their will be plenty of value left over and they can pick it up cheap with no one else really left to bid on the inventory.

ESPN currently sells off the AAC content they dont really want. Unless ESPN wants to just keep the junk, they cant let first and second tier AAC rights be sold off to rival bidders and just wait on the leftovers.


We are not their top tier.

At NBC or CBS we would be, they will pay to make that the case. ESPN will not. It's why we haven't already worked out a deal like the other conferences did recently. ESPN can get decent ratings off of a Thurs night game who ever is playing and fill Saturday with P5 matchups our value to them is limited. They won't pay top dollar for us, the other two will because they have less options.

ESPN sold off quality matchups not just the low nobody cares games. ESPN won't pay as much as CBS/NBC for the top 2 tiers but will steal the deal on the left overs to pick up content for streaming and ESPN U/News for cheap.

I think your logic is a little flawed here. First, ESPN has actually LOST college football inventory since the AAC began.

NBC is in a similar position now compared to when the old Big East rebranded to the AAC. NBC only had Notre Dame football...just like now. So, what is going to make them magically more desperate for content?

CBS Sports will NOT be the Tier 1 rights holder. That channel is not even widely distributed enough to have their programs rated by Nielsen. Now if CBS wants to put one game a week on their network channel, I can see CBS having half of our Tier 1 rights with either NBC or ESPN having the other half.

That brings me to the most likely scenario. All bidders can now see that the American brings value as compared to five years ago when no one knew if the AAC was going to succeed or not.

I predict a split of Tier 1 rights between ESPN and either NBC or CBS. A less likely scenario is a split between NBC and CBS. I think Aresco wants to keep at least some content with ESPN...if they are willing to pay a competitive amount.
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RE: Current Media Contract 2.3-2.6m per Memphis Pres
(04-13-2018 01:35 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  
(04-13-2018 01:17 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-13-2018 12:45 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  
(04-13-2018 10:28 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  
(04-13-2018 10:05 AM)TU4ever Wrote:  ESPN will not be bidding on tier 1.

Our content is not central to their line up. They have other options. NBC and CBS will both bid more to make our content the base of their sports channels. ESPN has the ACC, PAC, etc as their base. ESPN doesn't need us and won't want to match the other bids, ESPN knows how much cbssports paid them for games after all. If we don't hearbefore football season about us signing with ESPN, they won't be a player in this.

Why on Earth do you feel like they won't bid for our tier 1? ESPN has the most to lose by losing the AAC. CBS sports is fine getting some games. NBC is the dark horse if they want to make a strong play at our content.


Because they know what CBS is willing to bid and most likely what NBC will pay as well, they have been selling our content to others so they know the market value and the market space available. If they were anywhere close to offering that amount we would have signed with the latest group of conference media deals.

Also if ESPN needs our content so bad why are they selling huge chunks of it? They have plenty of content available with even more sports rights soon from the fox regional channels coming under their control. They are anchored by pro sports and the P5. They will be looking for value not quantity.

Meanwhile CBS sports will base it's line-up largely on us. They will pay well and toss us a few OTA broadcasts (mostly in basketball) to sweeten the deal. NBC has almost no major college sports deals beyond Notre Dame football. The AAC would dominate it's coverage just based on quantity, they have open slots around Notre Dame games that they can offer and get a better return on than the infomercial they put up against espn's full day of football, Fox's full slate, and CBS's sec coverage.

It comes down to CBS/NBC and their sports channels needing the content more and being willing to pay for it. We already know CBS will pay more than ESPN was willing to. ESPN is smart, after NBC and CBS divy up the top dollar content their will be plenty of value left over and they can pick it up cheap with no one else really left to bid on the inventory.

ESPN currently sells off the AAC content they dont really want. Unless ESPN wants to just keep the junk, they cant let first and second tier AAC rights be sold off to rival bidders and just wait on the leftovers.


We are not their top tier.

At NBC or CBS we would be, they will pay to make that the case. ESPN will not. It's why we haven't already worked out a deal like the other conferences did recently. ESPN can get decent ratings off of a Thurs night game who ever is playing and fill Saturday with P5 matchups our value to them is limited. They won't pay top dollar for us, the other two will because they have less options.

ESPN sold off quality matchups not just the low nobody cares games. ESPN won't pay as much as CBS/NBC for the top 2 tiers but will steal the deal on the left overs to pick up content for streaming and ESPN U/News for cheap.

We wont be the top tier at NBC either---Notre Dame is thier key FBS football property.

Lool---We arent getting P5 dollars regardless of where we go. We will get what the market believes we are worth. ESPN wont be able to low ball us and expect to win the bid. Other networks know we dont deliver P5 ratings---but we do deliver a half the ratings P5's get (or better) and we cost 75% less. It would cost 25-30 milllion a team to land a P5 conference right now if one were on the market. We can be had for 6-10 million. Thats a bargain and every network knows it.

There will be plenty of bidders---including ESPN. Hell, ESPN has already extended the MAC and Sunbelt agreements. They extended each 3 years before they expired as they didnt want anyone else getting them. You think they are just going to let a property go that provides 10-20 games a year with a million or more viewers without even bidding?

I dont see that happening. 04-cheers
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(04-13-2018 02:27 PM)Square Knight Wrote:  
(04-13-2018 01:35 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  
(04-13-2018 01:17 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-13-2018 12:45 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  
(04-13-2018 10:28 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Why on Earth do you feel like they won't bid for our tier 1? ESPN has the most to lose by losing the AAC. CBS sports is fine getting some games. NBC is the dark horse if they want to make a strong play at our content.


Because they know what CBS is willing to bid and most likely what NBC will pay as well, they have been selling our content to others so they know the market value and the market space available. If they were anywhere close to offering that amount we would have signed with the latest group of conference media deals.

Also if ESPN needs our content so bad why are they selling huge chunks of it? They have plenty of content available with even more sports rights soon from the fox regional channels coming under their control. They are anchored by pro sports and the P5. They will be looking for value not quantity.

Meanwhile CBS sports will base it's line-up largely on us. They will pay well and toss us a few OTA broadcasts (mostly in basketball) to sweeten the deal. NBC has almost no major college sports deals beyond Notre Dame football. The AAC would dominate it's coverage just based on quantity, they have open slots around Notre Dame games that they can offer and get a better return on than the infomercial they put up against espn's full day of football, Fox's full slate, and CBS's sec coverage.

It comes down to CBS/NBC and their sports channels needing the content more and being willing to pay for it. We already know CBS will pay more than ESPN was willing to. ESPN is smart, after NBC and CBS divy up the top dollar content their will be plenty of value left over and they can pick it up cheap with no one else really left to bid on the inventory.

ESPN currently sells off the AAC content they dont really want. Unless ESPN wants to just keep the junk, they cant let first and second tier AAC rights be sold off to rival bidders and just wait on the leftovers.


We are not their top tier.

At NBC or CBS we would be, they will pay to make that the case. ESPN will not. It's why we haven't already worked out a deal like the other conferences did recently. ESPN can get decent ratings off of a Thurs night game who ever is playing and fill Saturday with P5 matchups our value to them is limited. They won't pay top dollar for us, the other two will because they have less options.

ESPN sold off quality matchups not just the low nobody cares games. ESPN won't pay as much as CBS/NBC for the top 2 tiers but will steal the deal on the left overs to pick up content for streaming and ESPN U/News for cheap.

I think your logic is a little flawed here. First, ESPN has actually LOST college football inventory since the AAC began.

NBC is in a similar position now compared to when the old Big East rebranded to the AAC. NBC only had Notre Dame football...just like now. So, what is going to make them magically more desperate for content?

CBS Sports will NOT be the Tier 1 rights holder. That channel is not even widely distributed enough to have their programs rated by Nielsen. Now if CBS wants to put one game a week on their network channel, I can see CBS having half of our Tier 1 rights with either NBC or ESPN having the other half.

That brings me to the most likely scenario. All bidders can now see that the American brings value as compared to five years ago when no one knew if the AAC was going to succeed or not.

I predict a split of Tier 1 rights between ESPN and either NBC or CBS. A less likely scenario is a split between NBC and CBS. I think Aresco wants to keep at least some content with ESPN...if they are willing to pay a competitive amount.


ESPN doesn't run on college football. They have been out bid multiple times for college football contracts. They run off of the NBA, MLB, and the P5 in general. Everything else is filler.

Whatever company we sign with, they will have to offer multiple over the air appearences since the deal will not be going backwards and the cost per game will increase. CBS sports has little content period. Nothing close to the AAC and have already proven they will spend more money than ESPN for the same content. So did NBC for that matter, since their bid was better than ESPN who used the right to match. That NBC offer is important for other reasons too, it eliminated the match option for ESPN, it originally included the OTA games showing that NBC was looking to already pair ND AAC games for Saturday content. Right now they have 3-4hrs of competitive Saturday programing and NBC sports is a golf channel for all I can tell.

CBS and NBC will pay the most. ESPN will bump up some g4 games to the week nights we filled. They'll scoop up lots of content from Olympic sports and maybe women's bball. They'll get it cheap and use it as filler and to push it's digital options. They wont be the top bidder on the tier 1s, just like they weren't with the PAC and Big 1G when fox came calling.
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(04-13-2018 03:35 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-13-2018 01:35 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  
(04-13-2018 01:17 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(04-13-2018 12:45 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  
(04-13-2018 10:28 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Why on Earth do you feel like they won't bid for our tier 1? ESPN has the most to lose by losing the AAC. CBS sports is fine getting some games. NBC is the dark horse if they want to make a strong play at our content.


Because they know what CBS is willing to bid and most likely what NBC will pay as well, they have been selling our content to others so they know the market value and the market space available. If they were anywhere close to offering that amount we would have signed with the latest group of conference media deals.

Also if ESPN needs our content so bad why are they selling huge chunks of it? They have plenty of content available with even more sports rights soon from the fox regional channels coming under their control. They are anchored by pro sports and the P5. They will be looking for value not quantity.

Meanwhile CBS sports will base it's line-up largely on us. They will pay well and toss us a few OTA broadcasts (mostly in basketball) to sweeten the deal. NBC has almost no major college sports deals beyond Notre Dame football. The AAC would dominate it's coverage just based on quantity, they have open slots around Notre Dame games that they can offer and get a better return on than the infomercial they put up against espn's full day of football, Fox's full slate, and CBS's sec coverage.

It comes down to CBS/NBC and their sports channels needing the content more and being willing to pay for it. We already know CBS will pay more than ESPN was willing to. ESPN is smart, after NBC and CBS divy up the top dollar content their will be plenty of value left over and they can pick it up cheap with no one else really left to bid on the inventory.

ESPN currently sells off the AAC content they dont really want. Unless ESPN wants to just keep the junk, they cant let first and second tier AAC rights be sold off to rival bidders and just wait on the leftovers.


We are not their top tier.

At NBC or CBS we would be, they will pay to make that the case. ESPN will not. It's why we haven't already worked out a deal like the other conferences did recently. ESPN can get decent ratings off of a Thurs night game who ever is playing and fill Saturday with P5 matchups our value to them is limited. They won't pay top dollar for us, the other two will because they have less options.

ESPN sold off quality matchups not just the low nobody cares games. ESPN won't pay as much as CBS/NBC for the top 2 tiers but will steal the deal on the left overs to pick up content for streaming and ESPN U/News for cheap.

We wont be the top tier at NBC either---Notre Dame is thier key FBS football property.

Lool---We arent getting P5 dollars regardless of where we go. We will get what the market believes we are worth. ESPN wont be able to low ball us and expect to win the bid. Other networks know we dont deliver P5 ratings---but we do deliver a half the ratings P5's get (or better) and we cost 75% less. It would cost 25-30 milllion a team to land a P5 conference right now if one were on the market. We can be had for 6-10 million. Thats a bargain and every network knows it.

There will be plenty of bidders---including ESPN. Hell, ESPN has already extended the MAC and Sunbelt agreements. They extended each 3 years before they expired as they didnt want anyone else getting them. You think they are just going to let a property go that provides 10-20 games a year with a million or more viewers without even bidding?

I dont see that happening. 04-cheers

They have 6 ND games a year, 7 with us when navy hosts. They really don't have any other major sports, and do they even have college sports on NBCsports right now? We would be option 1b for 7 weeks and the flagship for their sports channels.

We agree here mostly about value, but NBC and CBS will be willing to bid the most, we can be a center piece for their sports networks and have some games worthy of OTA. On ESPN we're their 7th best programing option. On CBSsport or NBCsport we're the best option.

Yes you know who else's contract ended roughly at the same time as those original deals? Ours. If ESPN had a competitive deal being offered we would have heard about it. This is going to be a mini bidding war, ESPN won't be going crazy for it's 7th option first pick for ESPNU 11am game. ESPN will be involved but they'll have a lower ceiling than CBS/NBC sports for whom we increase ratings for vs what they have now.
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(04-13-2018 04:18 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  
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(04-13-2018 12:45 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  Because they know what CBS is willing to bid and most likely what NBC will pay as well, they have been selling our content to others so they know the market value and the market space available. If they were anywhere close to offering that amount we would have signed with the latest group of conference media deals.

Also if ESPN needs our content so bad why are they selling huge chunks of it? They have plenty of content available with even more sports rights soon from the fox regional channels coming under their control. They are anchored by pro sports and the P5. They will be looking for value not quantity.

Meanwhile CBS sports will base it's line-up largely on us. They will pay well and toss us a few OTA broadcasts (mostly in basketball) to sweeten the deal. NBC has almost no major college sports deals beyond Notre Dame football. The AAC would dominate it's coverage just based on quantity, they have open slots around Notre Dame games that they can offer and get a better return on than the infomercial they put up against espn's full day of football, Fox's full slate, and CBS's sec coverage.

It comes down to CBS/NBC and their sports channels needing the content more and being willing to pay for it. We already know CBS will pay more than ESPN was willing to. ESPN is smart, after NBC and CBS divy up the top dollar content their will be plenty of value left over and they can pick it up cheap with no one else really left to bid on the inventory.

ESPN currently sells off the AAC content they dont really want. Unless ESPN wants to just keep the junk, they cant let first and second tier AAC rights be sold off to rival bidders and just wait on the leftovers.


We are not their top tier.

At NBC or CBS we would be, they will pay to make that the case. ESPN will not. It's why we haven't already worked out a deal like the other conferences did recently. ESPN can get decent ratings off of a Thurs night game who ever is playing and fill Saturday with P5 matchups our value to them is limited. They won't pay top dollar for us, the other two will because they have less options.

ESPN sold off quality matchups not just the low nobody cares games. ESPN won't pay as much as CBS/NBC for the top 2 tiers but will steal the deal on the left overs to pick up content for streaming and ESPN U/News for cheap.

I think your logic is a little flawed here. First, ESPN has actually LOST college football inventory since the AAC began.

NBC is in a similar position now compared to when the old Big East rebranded to the AAC. NBC only had Notre Dame football...just like now. So, what is going to make them magically more desperate for content?

CBS Sports will NOT be the Tier 1 rights holder. That channel is not even widely distributed enough to have their programs rated by Nielsen. Now if CBS wants to put one game a week on their network channel, I can see CBS having half of our Tier 1 rights with either NBC or ESPN having the other half.

That brings me to the most likely scenario. All bidders can now see that the American brings value as compared to five years ago when no one knew if the AAC was going to succeed or not.

I predict a split of Tier 1 rights between ESPN and either NBC or CBS. A less likely scenario is a split between NBC and CBS. I think Aresco wants to keep at least some content with ESPN...if they are willing to pay a competitive amount.


ESPN doesn't run on college football. They have been out bid multiple times for college football contracts. They run off of the NBA, MLB, and the P5 in general. Everything else is filler.

Whatever company we sign with, they will have to offer multiple over the air appearences since the deal will not be going backwards and the cost per game will increase. CBS sports has little content period. Nothing close to the AAC and have already proven they will spend more money than ESPN for the same content. So did NBC for that matter, since their bid was better than ESPN who used the right to match. That NBC offer is important for other reasons too, it eliminated the match option for ESPN, it originally included the OTA games showing that NBC was looking to already pair ND AAC games for Saturday content. Right now they have 3-4hrs of competitive Saturday programing and NBC sports is a golf channel for all I can tell.

CBS and NBC will pay the most. ESPN will bump up some g4 games to the week nights we filled. They'll scoop up lots of content from Olympic sports and maybe women's bball. They'll get it cheap and use it as filler and to push it's digital options. They wont be the top bidder on the tier 1s, just like they weren't with the PAC and Big 1G when fox came calling.

I don't remember NBC ever offering OTA games to "pair with Notre Dame". That is said so much on here people are starting to believe it. Please, give me info on the plan for AAC games on NBC OTA that people on here often reference.
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(04-13-2018 04:55 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-13-2018 04:18 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  
(04-13-2018 02:27 PM)Square Knight Wrote:  
(04-13-2018 01:35 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  
(04-13-2018 01:17 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  ESPN currently sells off the AAC content they dont really want. Unless ESPN wants to just keep the junk, they cant let first and second tier AAC rights be sold off to rival bidders and just wait on the leftovers.


We are not their top tier.

At NBC or CBS we would be, they will pay to make that the case. ESPN will not. It's why we haven't already worked out a deal like the other conferences did recently. ESPN can get decent ratings off of a Thurs night game who ever is playing and fill Saturday with P5 matchups our value to them is limited. They won't pay top dollar for us, the other two will because they have less options.

ESPN sold off quality matchups not just the low nobody cares games. ESPN won't pay as much as CBS/NBC for the top 2 tiers but will steal the deal on the left overs to pick up content for streaming and ESPN U/News for cheap.

I think your logic is a little flawed here. First, ESPN has actually LOST college football inventory since the AAC began.

NBC is in a similar position now compared to when the old Big East rebranded to the AAC. NBC only had Notre Dame football...just like now. So, what is going to make them magically more desperate for content?

CBS Sports will NOT be the Tier 1 rights holder. That channel is not even widely distributed enough to have their programs rated by Nielsen. Now if CBS wants to put one game a week on their network channel, I can see CBS having half of our Tier 1 rights with either NBC or ESPN having the other half.

That brings me to the most likely scenario. All bidders can now see that the American brings value as compared to five years ago when no one knew if the AAC was going to succeed or not.

I predict a split of Tier 1 rights between ESPN and either NBC or CBS. A less likely scenario is a split between NBC and CBS. I think Aresco wants to keep at least some content with ESPN...if they are willing to pay a competitive amount.


ESPN doesn't run on college football. They have been out bid multiple times for college football contracts. They run off of the NBA, MLB, and the P5 in general. Everything else is filler.

Whatever company we sign with, they will have to offer multiple over the air appearences since the deal will not be going backwards and the cost per game will increase. CBS sports has little content period. Nothing close to the AAC and have already proven they will spend more money than ESPN for the same content. So did NBC for that matter, since their bid was better than ESPN who used the right to match. That NBC offer is important for other reasons too, it eliminated the match option for ESPN, it originally included the OTA games showing that NBC was looking to already pair ND AAC games for Saturday content. Right now they have 3-4hrs of competitive Saturday programing and NBC sports is a golf channel for all I can tell.

CBS and NBC will pay the most. ESPN will bump up some g4 games to the week nights we filled. They'll scoop up lots of content from Olympic sports and maybe women's bball. They'll get it cheap and use it as filler and to push it's digital options. They wont be the top bidder on the tier 1s, just like they weren't with the PAC and Big 1G when fox came calling.

I don't remember NBC ever offering OTA games to "pair with Notre Dame". That is said so much on here people are starting to believe it. Please, give me info on the plan for AAC games on NBC OTA that people on here often reference.

Why do you think we are guaranteed a certain number (3 I think?) of ABC games? It was part of the NBC deal ESPN had to match. This was before the good ratings we have pulled in on OTA games. I imagine NBC would love to have five or six college football games as lead ins to Notre Dame games instead of infomercials.
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Exposure still going to play a huge role in negotiations again

NBC was the key sole player in AAC's present tv exposure, if NBC was sold with this league zero tv ratings before imagine what offer they can put together now that the AAC has impressive solid tv numbers/ratings.

No way ESPN or other tv networks play the match game cards with NBC this time.
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(04-13-2018 08:51 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  
(04-13-2018 04:55 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-13-2018 04:18 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  
(04-13-2018 02:27 PM)Square Knight Wrote:  
(04-13-2018 01:35 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  We are not their top tier.

At NBC or CBS we would be, they will pay to make that the case. ESPN will not. It's why we haven't already worked out a deal like the other conferences did recently. ESPN can get decent ratings off of a Thurs night game who ever is playing and fill Saturday with P5 matchups our value to them is limited. They won't pay top dollar for us, the other two will because they have less options.

ESPN sold off quality matchups not just the low nobody cares games. ESPN won't pay as much as CBS/NBC for the top 2 tiers but will steal the deal on the left overs to pick up content for streaming and ESPN U/News for cheap.

I think your logic is a little flawed here. First, ESPN has actually LOST college football inventory since the AAC began.

NBC is in a similar position now compared to when the old Big East rebranded to the AAC. NBC only had Notre Dame football...just like now. So, what is going to make them magically more desperate for content?

CBS Sports will NOT be the Tier 1 rights holder. That channel is not even widely distributed enough to have their programs rated by Nielsen. Now if CBS wants to put one game a week on their network channel, I can see CBS having half of our Tier 1 rights with either NBC or ESPN having the other half.

That brings me to the most likely scenario. All bidders can now see that the American brings value as compared to five years ago when no one knew if the AAC was going to succeed or not.

I predict a split of Tier 1 rights between ESPN and either NBC or CBS. A less likely scenario is a split between NBC and CBS. I think Aresco wants to keep at least some content with ESPN...if they are willing to pay a competitive amount.


ESPN doesn't run on college football. They have been out bid multiple times for college football contracts. They run off of the NBA, MLB, and the P5 in general. Everything else is filler.

Whatever company we sign with, they will have to offer multiple over the air appearences since the deal will not be going backwards and the cost per game will increase. CBS sports has little content period. Nothing close to the AAC and have already proven they will spend more money than ESPN for the same content. So did NBC for that matter, since their bid was better than ESPN who used the right to match. That NBC offer is important for other reasons too, it eliminated the match option for ESPN, it originally included the OTA games showing that NBC was looking to already pair ND AAC games for Saturday content. Right now they have 3-4hrs of competitive Saturday programing and NBC sports is a golf channel for all I can tell.

CBS and NBC will pay the most. ESPN will bump up some g4 games to the week nights we filled. They'll scoop up lots of content from Olympic sports and maybe women's bball. They'll get it cheap and use it as filler and to push it's digital options. They wont be the top bidder on the tier 1s, just like they weren't with the PAC and Big 1G when fox came calling.

I don't remember NBC ever offering OTA games to "pair with Notre Dame". That is said so much on here people are starting to believe it. Please, give me info on the plan for AAC games on NBC OTA that people on here often reference.

Why do you think we are guaranteed a certain number (3 I think?) of ABC games? It was part of the NBC deal ESPN had to match. This was before the good ratings we have pulled in on OTA games. I imagine NBC would love to have five or six college football games as lead ins to Notre Dame games instead of infomercials.

On here many said ESPN didn't have to put the AAC games on ABC, that it was due to the impressiveness of the fan interest in big AAC games....Is there proof that ABC had the AAC on because the NBC contract forced ESPN to show 3 games per year?
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Yes, if you go back and listen to interviews at the time of the original contract, OTA was a part of the package. If not, the deal would have been for NBCSN only. ESPN overmatched in terms of exposure due to their multiple platforms vs. NBC and NBCSN. The AAC was the only G5 to secure guaranteed OTA appearances. It wouldn't have happened w/o the NBC offer on the table. Now, where some crow about ABC appearances is that they pick up more than the min. required and conference games to boot. When the deal was first announced, many naysayers predicted OTA appearances would be limited to the min. required and only OOC games. So, yeah, in this case strong conference ratings have aided in securing additional OTA appearances.
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(04-14-2018 09:21 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  Yes, if you go back and listen to interviews at the time of the original contract, OTA was a part of the package. If not, the deal would have been for NBCSN only. ESPN overmatched in terms of exposure due to their multiple platforms vs. NBC and NBCSN. The AAC was the only G5 to secure guaranteed OTA appearances. It wouldn't have happened w/o the NBC offer on the table. Now, where some crow about ABC appearances is that they pick up more than the min. required and conference games to boot. When the deal was first announced, many naysayers predicted OTA appearances would be limited to the min. required and only OOC games. So, yeah, in this case strong conference ratings have aided in securing additional OTA appearances.

Ok, I understand now.
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