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(03-23-2018 09:04 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 12:14 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  I don't think this is likely, but what if UTEP did leave. It's the eastern schools that are disgruntled. They could go the JMU route. Sure some wouldn't like the FCS call up but it might quiet ODU and Marshall. They'd have to shift someone west. Probably WKU or MTSU.

Money stays the same, JMU is alright in most sports, more schools happy than before, divisions stay balanced.

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If UTEP left finding a school 10 would vote for would be hard.

UTEP probably isn't going anywhere. Why would the Mountain West want them? The only reason I can think of is to give NMSU a travel partner. I don't mean this to be ugly, but UTEP doesn't bring a big market (El Paso is too small to make a national TV contract worth more, and it's a long, long way from DFW, Austin, San Antonio, and Houston). It's not good at football. It's not good at basketball. It might bring a backup Sun Bowl agreement, but the primary agreement will remain with P5 leagues. If the MW wants to get into Texas, they'll go after Rice, North Texas, UTSA, and/or Texas State.

I give NMSU a better chance at going to the MW than UTEP due to better hoops and, at worst, equivalent football.

If I had to put money on the MW's actions, they'll add Gonzaga and do no other expansion for several years.
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(03-23-2018 09:17 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 09:04 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 12:14 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  I don't think this is likely, but what if UTEP did leave. It's the eastern schools that are disgruntled. They could go the JMU route. Sure some wouldn't like the FCS call up but it might quiet ODU and Marshall. They'd have to shift someone west. Probably WKU or MTSU.

Money stays the same, JMU is alright in most sports, more schools happy than before, divisions stay balanced.

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If UTEP left finding a school 10 would vote for would be hard.

UTEP probably isn't going anywhere. Why would the Mountain West want them? The only reason I can think of is to give NMSU a travel partner. I don't mean this to be ugly, but UTEP doesn't bring a big market (El Paso is too small to make a national TV contract worth more, and it's a long, long way from DFW, Austin, San Antonio, and Houston). It's not good at football. It's not good at basketball. It might bring a backup Sun Bowl agreement, but the primary agreement will remain with P5 leagues. If the MW wants to get into Texas, they'll go after Rice, North Texas, UTSA, and/or Texas State.

I give NMSU a better chance at going to the MW than UTEP due to better hoops and, at worst, equivalent football.

If I had to put money on the MW's actions, they'll add Gonzaga and do no other expansion for several years.

I don't see a reason to add them unless BYU wants to go back after Gonzaga leaves and I don't think BYU would be willing to bring football back to MWC unless they are getting a serious haircut from ESPN.
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(03-23-2018 09:04 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  If UTEP left finding a school 10 would vote for would be hard.

Yep.

Their divisions will not vote for schools from the other division's footprint.

They will have to play with uneven divisions, or they split, or a couple of them throw in the towel and defect.
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If they still had TV money the eastern schools might have been able to buy western votes but not anymore.

Losing UTEP and jettisoning 1 more to go to 12 isn't an option. So if TXST won't move it's either add one or go unbalanced.

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(03-23-2018 12:42 PM)APPdiesel Wrote:  If they still had TV money the eastern schools might have been able to buy western votes but not anymore.

Losing UTEP and jettisoning 1 more to go to 12 isn't an option. So if TXST won't move it's either add one or go unbalanced.

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Texas State would move. That's not worth debating.

The question is whether or not 10 CUSA schools would vote to add a replacement for UTEP in Texas.
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(03-20-2018 05:04 PM)balanced_view Wrote:  was all those Texas teams in the conference when the newest eastern teams joined?

No, UNT was added, UTSA was added, LT was added out of merit. The conference went after media markets instead of proven programs, that was the biggest mistake and many of us knew it when they went that direction. You can be in the biggest market, but if no one cares, you really do not carry that market.

If a split did happen, there would be a few western schools joining the east, LT and USM to name a couple.....
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The eastern schools may not want Texas St., but they may realize that would be a quality add with no one else that would bring materially more to the table.
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(03-23-2018 01:31 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  The eastern schools may not want Texas St., but they may realize that would be a quality add with no one else that would bring materially more to the table.

That's very nice of you. It's been awhile since I've seen someone say something positive about us on here lol
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(03-23-2018 02:03 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 01:31 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  The eastern schools may not want Texas St., but they may realize that would be a quality add with no one else that would bring materially more to the table.

That's very nice of you. It's been awhile since I've seen someone say something positive about us on here lol

I for one love having Texas St in the conference and anyone who thinks you shouldn't be is just being asinine.
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(03-23-2018 02:03 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 01:31 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  The eastern schools may not want Texas St., but they may realize that would be a quality add with no one else that would bring materially more to the table.

That's very nice of you. It's been awhile since I've seen someone say something positive about us on here lol

When push comes to shove, no one in the conference is that much better of an add in the grand scheme.

There's no one in the conference I'm ashamed to name when people ask who's in the SBC (which is often unfortunately).
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(03-23-2018 02:03 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 01:31 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  The eastern schools may not want Texas St., but they may realize that would be a quality add with no one else that would bring materially more to the table.

That's very nice of you. It's been awhile since I've seen someone say something positive about us on here lol

Not true! You're one of those whom sees no need to stay if CUSA comes calling. That would be a mistake. Ark state is rolling, App state is rolling, Ga state has outperformed the predictions, certainly from our perspective,. If GS can right the ship which we will soon, we'll be rolling, on and on. There's much positive mojo going on around the big three sports in this conference. CUSA is tired and complacency is terminal. Texas state should stay with their peers in the Fun Belt and be pushed by them. Anything less will guarantee years of mediocrity.
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(03-23-2018 05:02 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 02:03 PM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  
(03-23-2018 01:31 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  The eastern schools may not want Texas St., but they may realize that would be a quality add with no one else that would bring materially more to the table.

That's very nice of you. It's been awhile since I've seen someone say something positive about us on here lol

Not true! You're one of those whom sees no need to stay if CUSA comes calling. That would be a mistake. Ark state is rolling, App state is rolling, Ga state has outperformed the predictions, certainly from our perspective,. If GS can right the ship which we will soon, we'll be rolling, on and on. There's much positive mojo going on around the big three sports in this conference. CUSA is tired and complacency is terminal. Texas state should stay with their peers in the Fun Belt and be pushed by them. Anything less will guarantee years of mediocrity.


Sooooo, you saying that IF we were to jump to CUSA it would guarantee us years of mediocrity ?! ? 03-lmfao

Clearly you're not familiar with our Football history . . . 7 winning seasons since '84.

As much as it pains me to say it, mediocrity is who we are, and that's probably not changing anytime soon, regardless of conference affiliation . . . What we need is a new AD.
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(03-23-2018 01:25 PM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  
(03-20-2018 05:04 PM)balanced_view Wrote:  was all those Texas teams in the conference when the newest eastern teams joined?

No, UNT was added, UTSA was added, LT was added out of merit. The conference went after media markets instead of proven programs, that was the biggest mistake and many of us knew it when they went that direction. You can be in the biggest market, but if no one cares, you really do not carry that market.

If a split did happen, there would be a few western schools joining the east, LT and USM to name a couple.....

the media market scheme was not a total bust. utsa gets 30-40,000 crowds for some games and before they even played a down they were able to schedule home games with many name schools..and untexas even way out on the fringe of the metro area can draw decently for name teams that come in. more likely advantage to the big market plan is ease of travel and many flight options to those markets. maybe they overestimated the size of the pocketbooks of cusa fans. few of these schools are known for having great numbers of traveling fans.
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(03-23-2018 07:17 PM)runamuck Wrote:  the media market scheme was not a total bust. utsa gets 30-40,000 crowds for some games and before they even played a down they were able to schedule home games with many name schools.

You have a huge whole card for that: The Alamodome04-cheers04-cheers
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It's less expansion than a "split and add to both sides" that's being discussed. By 2021 C-USA east will have been together long enough to qualify for leaving and starting their own league. Or the west for that matter. Tx teams don't care about ODU and WKU. The only thing is nobody knows the financial benefits and drawbacks (forfeiting tourney $, working out new tv deal). Probably never happens.
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(03-26-2018 01:49 PM)BKTopper Wrote:  It's less expansion than a "split and add to both sides" that's being discussed. By 2021 C-USA east will have been together long enough to qualify for leaving and starting their own league. Or the west for that matter. Tx teams don't care about ODU and WKU. The only thing is nobody knows the financial benefits and drawbacks (forfeiting tourney $, working out new tv deal). Probably never happens.

Oh it could happen. But both CUSA divisions would have to pitch the benefits perfectly to get the belt members they want. Of course App would love to have WKU/ODU/MTSU as conference mates. Bit I don't think the fans would want to give up ArkSt/Troy/La to get them. Asking App to split without GS/GSU/CCU is almost a deal breaker

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(03-26-2018 02:01 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  
(03-26-2018 01:49 PM)BKTopper Wrote:  It's less expansion than a "split and add to both sides" that's being discussed. By 2021 C-USA east will have been together long enough to qualify for leaving and starting their own league. Or the west for that matter. Tx teams don't care about ODU and WKU. The only thing is nobody knows the financial benefits and drawbacks (forfeiting tourney $, working out new tv deal). Probably never happens.

Oh it could happen. But both CUSA divisions would have to pitch the benefits perfectly to get the belt members they want. Of course App would love to have WKU/ODU/MTSU as conference mates. Bit I don't think the fans would want to give up ArkSt/Troy/La to get them. Asking App to split without GS/GSU/CCU is almost a deal breaker

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In a lot of scenarios LaTech and Southern Miss part with the east and UAB, so I get it. Those are all great programs to associate with, but geographically it's a stretch for a team in Norfolk or Bowling Green, and taking along FAU and FIU means there's already a long swing for the rest of the conference.

But again, it's all conjecture and fan fiction and most likely won't need to shake up like that, but something's gonna happen to G5. We all can see it barreling down the tracks towards some end that will leave most teams out of the money forever and ever amen.
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The issue is the prior SBC schools who jumped to CUSA forgot to look at a map. Now they want to be with their old conf mates. When they talk about splitting, they want to include Southern Miss and La Tech. I highly doubt those 2 schools would want to be in a eastern based conference, they would rather be with the TX schools. Then they'll learn that UAB / Marshall will want Southern Miss and things will start to fall apart. When I see the SBC schools talk about who they would want from CUSA, it is Southern Miss and Marshall. The common denominator is Southern Miss and Marshall. Those schools will end up together and Southern Miss isn't going to care about geography, but who are the best schools they can associate themselves with.

No FB recruit wants to bus to road games like its high school. "Hey son, come play for me. You'll never have to fly on a private jet to a game, but get to ride in a bus that has it's own bathroom." See how quick your program drops.
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(03-27-2018 08:19 AM)va-eagle Wrote:  The issue is the prior SBC schools who jumped to CUSA forgot to look at a map. Now they want to be with their old conf mates. When they talk about splitting, they want to include Southern Miss and La Tech. I highly doubt those 2 schools would want to be in a eastern based conference, they would rather be with the TX schools. Then they'll learn that UAB / Marshall will want Southern Miss and things will start to fall apart. When I see the SBC schools talk about who they would want from CUSA, it is Southern Miss and Marshall. The common denominator is Southern Miss and Marshall. Those schools will end up together and Southern Miss isn't going to care about geography, but who are the best schools they can associate themselves with.

No FB recruit wants to bus to road games like its high school. "Hey son, come play for me. You'll never have to fly on a private jet to a game, but get to ride in a bus that has it's own bathroom." See how quick your program drops.

I have the upmost respect for your program and would love to have Southern Miss in the Sun Belt. Realignment is a messy business so all of these set down and arrange conferences based on geography posts are not likely to ever happen. Many in CUSA would probably disagree with me but I think that the Belt is in a stronger position than CUSA long term and maybe one day we would be in a position to add a couple from CUSA if the need arises. Until then it's our job to continue getting better so that when that next big wave a realignment happens we will be in the drivers seat.
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(03-27-2018 08:19 AM)va-eagle Wrote:  The issue is the prior SBC schools who jumped to CUSA forgot to look at a map. Now they want to be with their old conf mates. When they talk about splitting, they want to include Southern Miss and La Tech. I highly doubt those 2 schools would want to be in a eastern based conference, they would rather be with the TX schools. Then they'll learn that UAB / Marshall will want Southern Miss and things will start to fall apart. When I see the SBC schools talk about who they would want from CUSA, it is Southern Miss and Marshall. The common denominator is Southern Miss and Marshall. Those schools will end up together and Southern Miss isn't going to care about geography, but who are the best schools they can associate themselves with.

No FB recruit wants to bus to road games like its high school. "Hey son, come play for me. You'll never have to fly on a private jet to a game, but get to ride in a bus that has it's own bathroom." See how quick your program drops.

You are absolutely correct . . Southern Miss and Marshall . . it is. The rest of them . . whatever. 04-cheers
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