(03-21-2018 11:24 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 10:06 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 03:35 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 02:04 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  They can talk all they want.

How bad did CUSA botch realignment?

Here's how bad

Last year, TEN CUSA teams were bowl eligible and they got a team in the Round of 32 in the NCAA tournament. Both better results than the Sun Belt. And its CUSA, not the Belt, that is looking for a fix.

Can you imagine the meltdown if the Sun Belt actually has a better season in football and basketball?

You sound like a CUSA apologist.

Sun Belt finished better than CUSA in football and basketball in the last athletic year. It will likely always fluctuate every year as to which conference finishes better in certain sports. That's been the trend ever since the last round of realignment.

Of course CUSA is going to have more bowl eligible teams... they have 14 football teams compared to 10 in the Sun Belt. I would hope that they would get more teams in bowls than us. Likewise, I'm glad we don't have bowls that force us to travel to Hawaii or the Bahamas, which many of their fans already complain about.

CUSA IS looking for the fix. They have some of the longest travel among G5 conferences, they just got dealt a crap TV deal, the eastern school AD's want a more eastern-centric conference instead of what they perceive to be a Texas-favored conference.

I'm not an apologist for CUSA. Just pointing out that even when they could be crowing, they aren't anymore. Conferences like to brag and make puffed up claims (see AAC and P6 for example). CUSA has been very quiet. They know that they're the unstable one now. Even when they could show some data points (yes, it was only one season - but it hasn't stopped them before), they're not using terms like 'separation'. And no one else is either.

Even they understand that parity is here. MAC=CUSA=SBC. For those of us who suffered through the bad years, its interesting. Lets work on moving beyond them.

It's like Ralphie discovering Annie's secret message is a crummy commercial.

They don't like CUSA 3.0 because they wanted it to be CUSA 1.x or 2.x

Sun Belt 4.x is an improvement.

It's like two people ending up with a top of the line Camry. One person thought they were being given a Kia Soul and discovered it was a Camry. The other thought he was getting a Range Rover and discovered a Camry.

That about sums it up.

CUSA stills boasts that they don't play mid-week games, but it's not like the SBC teams are playing 3-4 midweek games a season either. I'm fine with each team getting 1 midweek game a season to spread the national exposure and not penalize a few teams for having a good team. The MAC deal is the worst for fans and is barely offset by the money. The 2 deals are nothing great, but personally I like the SBC deal. Some may prefer the CUSA deal regardless of who is paid more.

(03-20-2018 06:31 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 03:07 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  GS should jump immediately! Somehow the dbags on the CUSA board forced Saint to eat a nasty and defend GS. If I knew how I’d grab the comment and make it my signature. Reminds me of a guy lobbing disrespect at my high school rival. That’s normally welcomed but he was from Atlanta a long way from Valdosta. If we hadn’t been attending a church function he may have been met with more than profanity. Had to gather myself and brush off the dirty. [/align]

I love you guys.

Basically we're ***holes but we're your ***holes?

(03-21-2018 11:24 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 10:06 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 03:35 PM)CardinalBlackTrojan Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 02:04 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  They can talk all they want.

How bad did CUSA botch realignment?

Here's how bad

Last year, TEN CUSA teams were bowl eligible and they got a team in the Round of 32 in the NCAA tournament. Both better results than the Sun Belt. And its CUSA, not the Belt, that is looking for a fix.

Can you imagine the meltdown if the Sun Belt actually has a better season in football and basketball?

You sound like a CUSA apologist.

Sun Belt finished better than CUSA in football and basketball in the last athletic year. It will likely always fluctuate every year as to which conference finishes better in certain sports. That's been the trend ever since the last round of realignment.

Of course CUSA is going to have more bowl eligible teams... they have 14 football teams compared to 10 in the Sun Belt. I would hope that they would get more teams in bowls than us. Likewise, I'm glad we don't have bowls that force us to travel to Hawaii or the Bahamas, which many of their fans already complain about.

CUSA IS looking for the fix. They have some of the longest travel among G5 conferences, they just got dealt a crap TV deal, the eastern school AD's want a more eastern-centric conference instead of what they perceive to be a Texas-favored conference.

I'm not an apologist for CUSA. Just pointing out that even when they could be crowing, they aren't anymore. Conferences like to brag and make puffed up claims (see AAC and P6 for example). CUSA has been very quiet. They know that they're the unstable one now. Even when they could show some data points (yes, it was only one season - but it hasn't stopped them before), they're not using terms like 'separation'. And no one else is either.

Even they understand that parity is here. MAC=CUSA=SBC. For those of us who suffered through the bad years, its interesting. Lets work on moving beyond them.

It's like Ralphie discovering Annie's secret message is a crummy commercial.

They don't like CUSA 3.0 because they wanted it to be CUSA 1.x or 2.x

Sun Belt 4.x is an improvement.

It's like two people ending up with a top of the line Camry. One person thought they were being given a Kia Soul and discovered it was a Camry. The other thought he was getting a Range Rover and discovered a Camry.

Damn, you mean I coulda had a Range Rover?

(03-21-2018 12:09 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 06:31 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 03:07 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  GS should jump immediately! Somehow the dbags on the CUSA board forced Saint to eat a nasty and defend GS. If I knew how I’d grab the comment and make it my signature. Reminds me of a guy lobbing disrespect at my high school rival. That’s normally welcomed but he was from Atlanta a long way from Valdosta. If we hadn’t been attending a church function he may have been met with more than profanity. Had to gather myself and brush off the dirty. [/align]

I love you guys.

Basically we're ***holes but we're your ***holes?

Yes, exactly.

(03-21-2018 11:03 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 12:09 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 06:31 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 03:07 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  GS should jump immediately! Somehow the dbags on the CUSA board forced Saint to eat a nasty and defend GS. If I knew how I’d grab the comment and make it my signature. Reminds me of a guy lobbing disrespect at my high school rival. That’s normally welcomed but he was from Atlanta a long way from Valdosta. If we hadn’t been attending a church function he may have been met with more than profanity. Had to gather myself and brush off the dirty. [/align]

I love you guys.

Basically we're ***holes but we're your ***holes?

Yes, exactly.

You guys ain't right!

I don't think that CUSA would ever "expand" from a membership of 14. We might opt to stay at 14 by adding someone to replace a school that leaves, but even that isn't a certainty.

UTEP will always present a travel issue to whatever conference they're in. There is no G5 conference that'll ever again be able to justify the kind of travel expense that UTEP creates by being in that conference. The MWC won't add UTEP unless they absolutely had to to survive as a conference.

UTEP fans talk often of moving to the MWC because they think they'd be moving to a better conference, but there's never anything to it. UTEP will get a new home when the rest of us do, and that won't be until the next great round of realignment happens whenever the P5 conferences administer the coup de grace to the G5 conferences.

(03-22-2018 04:20 AM)OsageJ Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 11:03 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 12:09 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 06:31 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 03:07 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  GS should jump immediately! Somehow the dbags on the CUSA board forced Saint to eat a nasty and defend GS. If I knew how I’d grab the comment and make it my signature. Reminds me of a guy lobbing disrespect at my high school rival. That’s normally welcomed but he was from Atlanta a long way from Valdosta. If we hadn’t been attending a church function he may have been met with more than profanity. Had to gather myself and brush off the dirty. [/align]

I love you guys.

Basically we're ***holes but we're your ***holes?

Yes, exactly.

You guys ain't right!

It's "love to hate" relationship. Both schools and fan bases like it that way.

(03-21-2018 12:09 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 06:31 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 03:07 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  GS should jump immediately! Somehow the dbags on the CUSA board forced Saint to eat a nasty and defend GS. If I knew how I’d grab the comment and make it my signature. Reminds me of a guy lobbing disrespect at my high school rival. That’s normally welcomed but he was from Atlanta a long way from Valdosta. If we hadn’t been attending a church function he may have been met with more than profanity. Had to gather myself and brush off the dirty. [/align]

I love you guys.

Basically we're ***holes but we're your ***holes?

I may have underestimated the gumroots logic skills.

(03-22-2018 10:06 AM)appstate77 Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 04:20 AM)OsageJ Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 11:03 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 12:09 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 06:31 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  I love you guys.

Basically we're ***holes but we're your ***holes?

Yes, exactly.

You guys ain't right!

It's "love to hate" relationship. Both schools and fan bases like it that way.

hahaha

(03-22-2018 10:10 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 12:09 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 06:31 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 03:07 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  GS should jump immediately! Somehow the dbags on the CUSA board forced Saint to eat a nasty and defend GS. If I knew how I’d grab the comment and make it my signature. Reminds me of a guy lobbing disrespect at my high school rival. That’s normally welcomed but he was from Atlanta a long way from Valdosta. If we hadn’t been attending a church function he may have been met with more than profanity. Had to gather myself and brush off the dirty. [/align]

I love you guys.

Basically we're ***holes but we're your ***holes?

I may have underestimated the gumroots logic skills.

Of course, to take it literally, saying GS is our collective ***hole is to say GS is the thing through which we pass our stool.

(03-22-2018 11:24 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 10:10 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 12:09 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 06:31 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 03:07 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  GS should jump immediately! Somehow the dbags on the CUSA board forced Saint to eat a nasty and defend GS. If I knew how I’d grab the comment and make it my signature. Reminds me of a guy lobbing disrespect at my high school rival. That’s normally welcomed but he was from Atlanta a long way from Valdosta. If we hadn’t been attending a church function he may have been met with more than profanity. Had to gather myself and brush off the dirty. [/align]

I love you guys.

Basically we're ***holes but we're your ***holes?

I may have underestimated the gumroots logic skills.

Of course, to take it literally, saying GS is our collective ***hole is to say GS is the thing through which we pass our stool.

No, I'm saying we know that we're ***holes.

We're just lovable **holes.

(03-22-2018 12:19 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 11:24 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 10:10 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 12:09 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 06:31 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  I love you guys.

Basically we're ***holes but we're your ***holes?

I may have underestimated the gumroots logic skills.

Of course, to take it literally, saying GS is our collective ***hole is to say GS is the thing through which we pass our stool.

No, I'm saying we know that we're ***holes.

We're just lovable **holes.

Kinda an oxymoron, ain't it?

(03-22-2018 12:19 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 11:24 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 10:10 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 12:09 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 06:31 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  I love you guys.

Basically we're ***holes but we're your ***holes?

I may have underestimated the gumroots logic skills.

Of course, to take it literally, saying GS is our collective ***hole is to say GS is the thing through which we pass our stool.

No, I'm saying we know that we're ***holes.

We're just lovable **holes.

Ha! Just messin around.

Well the neighbors have done when an moved their thread to the conference realignment board. They just could not handle the truth.

(03-22-2018 01:09 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 12:19 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 11:24 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 10:10 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 12:09 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  Basically we're ***holes but we're your ***holes?

I may have underestimated the gumroots logic skills.

Of course, to take it literally, saying GS is our collective ***hole is to say GS is the thing through which we pass our stool.

No, I'm saying we know that we're ***holes.

We're just lovable **holes.

Kinda an oxymoron, ain't it?

I guess you haven't heard how much the kids like eatin' ass these days.

I don't think this is likely, but what if UTEP did leave. It's the eastern schools that are disgruntled. They could go the JMU route. Sure some wouldn't like the FCS call up but it might quiet ODU and Marshall. They'd have to shift someone west. Probably WKU or MTSU.

Money stays the same, JMU is alright in most sports, more schools happy than before, divisions stay balanced.

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(03-22-2018 02:34 PM)HighCountry Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 01:09 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 12:19 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 11:24 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 10:10 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  I may have underestimated the gumroots logic skills.

Of course, to take it literally, saying GS is our collective ***hole is to say GS is the thing through which we pass our stool.

No, I'm saying we know that we're ***holes.

We're just lovable **holes.

Kinda an oxymoron, ain't it?

I guess you haven't heard how much the kids like eatin' ass these days.

And that's jenga

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(03-22-2018 02:28 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  Well the neighbors have done when an moved their thread to the conference realignment board. They just could not handle the truth.

That's SOP.

(03-23-2018 12:14 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  I don't think this is likely, but what if UTEP did leave. It's the eastern schools that are disgruntled. They could go the JMU route. Sure some wouldn't like the FCS call up but it might quiet ODU and Marshall. They'd have to shift someone west. Probably WKU or MTSU.

Money stays the same, JMU is alright in most sports, more schools happy than before, divisions stay balanced.

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I doubt MTSU or WKU would be too happy about moving West. Plus, what's in it for the western schools to add JMU over a Texas State?

(03-23-2018 12:14 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  I don't think this is likely, but what if UTEP did leave. It's the eastern schools that are disgruntled. They could go the JMU route. Sure some wouldn't like the FCS call up but it might quiet ODU and Marshall. They'd have to shift someone west. Probably WKU or MTSU.

Money stays the same, JMU is alright in most sports, more schools happy than before, divisions stay balanced.

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If UTEP left finding a school 10 would vote for would be hard.