(03-15-2018 08:15 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  I also remember all ya’ll telling the board the last 3 years that Kermit would never leave. Cough cough.

I don't believe anyone ever said Kermit would "never leave", most of us were expressing that his situation is different than most midmajor coaches that are gone the moment the bigger schools come sniffing around.

I am a bit surprised that it wasn't a more marquee gig, but then we don't know what the money is.

Pelphrey?

(03-15-2018 09:04 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 08:15 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  I also remember all ya’ll telling the board the last 3 years that Kermit would never leave. Cough cough.

I don't believe anyone ever said Kermit would "never leave", most of us were expressing that his situation is different than most midmajor coaches that are gone the moment the bigger schools come sniffing around.

How is it different?

Honestly, I hate it for y’all but it was never a doubt to anyone outside of Murfreesboro that he would leave. You just seemed like any other non-P5 fanbase that thought they had the one coach who doesn’t care about money.

Kermit never seemed like the type of coach big programs would come after. I’m honestly surprised Ole Miss did, given the similarities to Kennedy.

(03-15-2018 09:15 PM)eaglenjxn Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 09:04 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 08:15 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  I also remember all ya’ll telling the board the last 3 years that Kermit would never leave. Cough cough.

I don't believe anyone ever said Kermit would "never leave", most of us were expressing that his situation is different than most midmajor coaches that are gone the moment the bigger schools come sniffing around.

How is it different?

Honestly, I hate it for y’all but it was never a doubt to anyone outside of Murfreesboro that he would leave. You just seemed like any other non-P5 fanbase that thought they had the one coach who doesn’t care about money.

Kermit never seemed like the type of coach big programs would come after. I’m honestly surprised Ole Miss did, given the similarities to Kennedy.

Ross Bjork formerly of Western. That is your answer of "why". Same guy that hired Matt Insell.

(03-15-2018 09:31 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 09:15 PM)eaglenjxn Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 09:04 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 08:15 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  I also remember all ya’ll telling the board the last 3 years that Kermit would never leave. Cough cough.

I don't believe anyone ever said Kermit would "never leave", most of us were expressing that his situation is different than most midmajor coaches that are gone the moment the bigger schools come sniffing around.

How is it different?

Honestly, I hate it for y’all but it was never a doubt to anyone outside of Murfreesboro that he would leave. You just seemed like any other non-P5 fanbase that thought they had the one coach who doesn’t care about money.

Kermit never seemed like the type of coach big programs would come after. I’m honestly surprised Ole Miss did, given the similarities to Kennedy.

Ross Bjork formerly of Western. That is your answer of "why". Same guy that hired Matt Insell.

I have no idea what you’re saying here.

What question are you answering?

And I have no idea who Matt Insell is. I now see he was Ole Miss’ women’s coach.

Well, that's not the primary reason, but based on your narrow view that everybody will always leave for an SEC type job (don't pay any attention to Gregg Marshall or Mark Few) I doubt you would understand even if we tried to explain it to you.

(03-15-2018 09:15 PM)eaglenjxn Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 09:04 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 08:15 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  I also remember all ya’ll telling the board the last 3 years that Kermit would never leave. Cough cough.

I don't believe anyone ever said Kermit would "never leave", most of us were expressing that his situation is different than most midmajor coaches that are gone the moment the bigger schools come sniffing around.

How is it different?

Honestly, I hate it for y’all but it was never a doubt to anyone outside of Murfreesboro that he would leave. You just seemed like any other non-P5 fanbase that thought they had the one coach who doesn’t care about money.

Kermit never seemed like the type of coach big programs would come after. I’m honestly surprised Ole Miss did, given the similarities to Kennedy.

Well we've had this conversation several times over the years and he turned down his alma mater a few years ago.That is how it's different from the most obvious standpoint.

So how did that "never a doubt to anyone outside of Murfreesboro..." rhetoric apply when he was turning down Miss State a few years ago?

(03-15-2018 09:47 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Well, that's not the primary reason, but based on your narrow view that everybody will always leave for an SEC type job (don't pay any attention to Gregg Marshall or Mark Few) I doubt you would understand even if we tried to explain it to you.

Not sure what you’re on but I would like some of it.

Rumors down here are he will be bringing 2 of his staff there plus fellow Tim Floyd mafia alum John Brady with him.

How about Mark Fox? He was very good at Nevada and did decent at Georgia. Reports are saying he's in talks for the Colorado St. job but if I was Middle I would still reach out to him and see if he's interested.

(03-15-2018 10:02 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 09:15 PM)eaglenjxn Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 09:04 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 08:15 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  I also remember all ya’ll telling the board the last 3 years that Kermit would never leave. Cough cough.

I don't believe anyone ever said Kermit would "never leave", most of us were expressing that his situation is different than most midmajor coaches that are gone the moment the bigger schools come sniffing around.

How is it different?

Honestly, I hate it for y’all but it was never a doubt to anyone outside of Murfreesboro that he would leave. You just seemed like any other non-P5 fanbase that thought they had the one coach who doesn’t care about money.

Kermit never seemed like the type of coach big programs would come after. I’m honestly surprised Ole Miss did, given the similarities to Kennedy.

Well we've had this conversation several times over the years and he turned down his alma mater a few years ago.That is how it's different from the most obvious standpoint.

So how did that "never a doubt to anyone outside of Murfreesboro..." rhetoric apply when he was turning down Miss State a few years ago?

What? They were going with Howland. I’d always heard that Kermit wanted the job. In fact, there is a rumor that State not offering him was a little extra incentive for Kermit to take the Ole Miss job. I don’t

Or are you talking about when they hired Rick Ray?!! Scott Stricklin couldn’t get a viable candidate to talk to him on the phone that year. That program was an absolute dumpster fire then.

(03-15-2018 10:56 PM)eaglenjxn Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 10:02 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 09:15 PM)eaglenjxn Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 09:04 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 08:15 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  I also remember all ya’ll telling the board the last 3 years that Kermit would never leave. Cough cough.

I don't believe anyone ever said Kermit would "never leave", most of us were expressing that his situation is different than most midmajor coaches that are gone the moment the bigger schools come sniffing around.

How is it different?

Honestly, I hate it for y’all but it was never a doubt to anyone outside of Murfreesboro that he would leave. You just seemed like any other non-P5 fanbase that thought they had the one coach who doesn’t care about money.

Kermit never seemed like the type of coach big programs would come after. I’m honestly surprised Ole Miss did, given the similarities to Kennedy.

Well we've had this conversation several times over the years and he turned down his alma mater a few years ago.That is how it's different from the most obvious standpoint.

So how did that "never a doubt to anyone outside of Murfreesboro..." rhetoric apply when he was turning down Miss State a few years ago?

What? They were going with Howland. I’d always heard that Kermit wanted the job. In fact, there is a rumor that State not offering him was a little extra incentive for Kermit to take the Ole Miss job. I don’t

Or are you talking about when they hired Rick Ray?!! Scott Stricklin couldn’t get a viable candidate to talk to him on the phone that year. That program was an absolute dumpster fire then.

In fairness, I'd probably take your position too, I have in the past, I likely will again in the future, but you're wrong here friend. This one was different.

(03-15-2018 11:40 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 10:56 PM)eaglenjxn Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 10:02 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 09:15 PM)eaglenjxn Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 09:04 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  I don't believe anyone ever said Kermit would "never leave", most of us were expressing that his situation is different than most midmajor coaches that are gone the moment the bigger schools come sniffing around.

How is it different?

Honestly, I hate it for y’all but it was never a doubt to anyone outside of Murfreesboro that he would leave. You just seemed like any other non-P5 fanbase that thought they had the one coach who doesn’t care about money.

Kermit never seemed like the type of coach big programs would come after. I’m honestly surprised Ole Miss did, given the similarities to Kennedy.

Well we've had this conversation several times over the years and he turned down his alma mater a few years ago.That is how it's different from the most obvious standpoint.

So how did that "never a doubt to anyone outside of Murfreesboro..." rhetoric apply when he was turning down Miss State a few years ago?

What? They were going with Howland. I’d always heard that Kermit wanted the job. In fact, there is a rumor that State not offering him was a little extra incentive for Kermit to take the Ole Miss job. I don’t

Or are you talking about when they hired Rick Ray?!! Scott Stricklin couldn’t get a viable candidate to talk to him on the phone that year. That program was an absolute dumpster fire then.

In fairness, I'd probably take your position too, I have in the past, I likely will again in the future, but you're wrong here friend. This one was different.

Well, apparently it wasn’t because you ended up like every other non-P5 that doesn’t have money to pay their coach $2m.

I'm not trying to be a prick when I say this. I lack any motivation to explain this, because it doesn't matter. And I really don't care what you think or if you believe it.

You seem to take exception with the fact that we, as MT alums, fans, etc., seem to think we are special like no one would ever leave jobs here to go to somewhere else. That's absurd position to take. No one has ever suggested that, but for those of us who know him we know why his predisposition was to stay put. Kermit leaving or staying all these years wasn't about MT being or us thinking we are somehow the best thing since sliced bread (though coaches at MT tend to stay for a long, long time. It was about Kermit. I have known him for many years. Could message him right now if I wanted. A lot of us here can say the same thing, because he was that entrenched in the community (and that's partially the answer).

If Kermit's family wasn't from Mississippi he never takes that job. It wasn't about the money (though that was obviously icing on the cake) or the prestige. But you are free to believe whatever you want. I really don't care. But I can tell you that those of us here on this board know a hell of lot more about him, his situation and his thought process than anyone at USM does.

(03-15-2018 06:45 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 06:04 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 05:58 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 05:39 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  Not sure how this comment will be taken here, but it's a serious question.

What about Tubby Smith? He's said he wants to stay in coaching. Not sure how much MT is willing to pay, but Memphis is on the hook for his buyout so he won't be hurting money-wise. He's not much of a recruiter but a good floor coach. Just a thought.

Hell no.

I'm not a Tubby fan either. He's seen better days imho. Was just curious.

Yeah that's a hard no from me as well.

really? he inherited a total circus from Pastner and managed 19 wins season 1...once he got his guys in there he took a rag-tag group to 21 wins and a winning AAC record in season 2.

for all the talk of his lack of recruiting these are quality recruits by MTSU standards.

https://247sports.com/Player/Myreon-Jones-90320
https://247sports.com/player/jamal-johnson-77070
https://247sports.com/player/david-nickelberry-86138

plus, Memphis would be paying him 1.62 million per year for the next 6 years...so he won't be asking for too much money.

I think that would be a great hire for MTSU.

We could certainly do worse than Tubby and very well may do so, but at the end of the day he's a 66 year old coach who will be coaching his fourth different team since 2013.

And if I remember correctly, Memphis fans were less than enthused with the hire in the first place.

(03-16-2018 12:40 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 06:45 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 06:04 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 05:58 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 05:39 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  Not sure how this comment will be taken here, but it's a serious question.

What about Tubby Smith? He's said he wants to stay in coaching. Not sure how much MT is willing to pay, but Memphis is on the hook for his buyout so he won't be hurting money-wise. He's not much of a recruiter but a good floor coach. Just a thought.

Hell no.

I'm not a Tubby fan either. He's seen better days imho. Was just curious.

Yeah that's a hard no from me as well.

really? he inherited a total circus from Pastner and managed 19 wins season 1...once he got his guys in there he took a rag-tag group to 21 wins and a winning AAC record in season 2.

for all the talk of his lack of recruiting these are quality recruits by MTSU standards.

https://247sports.com/Player/Myreon-Jones-90320
https://247sports.com/player/jamal-johnson-77070
https://247sports.com/player/david-nickelberry-86138

plus, Memphis would be paying him 1.62 million per year for the next 6 years...so he won't be asking for too much money.

I think that would be a great hire for MTSU.

I can't believe Memphis didnt put an offset clause in his contract.
https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/s...415600002/

(03-16-2018 08:48 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  I'm not trying to be a prick when I say this. I lack any motivation to explain this, because it doesn't matter. And I really don't care what you think or if you believe it.

You seem to take exception with the fact that we, as MT alums, fans, etc., seem to think we are special like no one would ever leave jobs here to go to somewhere else. That's absurd position to take. No one has ever suggested that, but for those of us who know him we know why his predisposition was to stay put. Kermit leaving or staying all these years wasn't about MT being or us thinking we are somehow the best thing since sliced bread (though coaches at MT tend to stay for a long, long time. It was about Kermit. I have known him for many years. Could message him right now if I wanted. A lot of us here can say the same thing, because he was that entrenched in the community (and that's partially the answer).

If Kermit's family wasn't from Mississippi he never takes that job. It wasn't about the money (though that was obviously icing on the cake) or the prestige. But you are free to believe whatever you want. I really don't care. But I can tell you that those of us here on this board know a hell of lot more about him, his situation and his thought process than anyone at USM does.

You just compared Kermit’s situation to Gregg Marshall’s and Mark Few’s and seemed to be positing Ross Bjork conspiracy theories.

(03-16-2018 01:07 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(03-16-2018 12:40 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 06:45 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 06:04 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 05:58 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Hell no.

I'm not a Tubby fan either. He's seen better days imho. Was just curious.

Yeah that's a hard no from me as well.

really? he inherited a total circus from Pastner and managed 19 wins season 1...once he got his guys in there he took a rag-tag group to 21 wins and a winning AAC record in season 2.

for all the talk of his lack of recruiting these are quality recruits by MTSU standards.

https://247sports.com/Player/Myreon-Jones-90320
https://247sports.com/player/jamal-johnson-77070
https://247sports.com/player/david-nickelberry-86138

plus, Memphis would be paying him 1.62 million per year for the next 6 years...so he won't be asking for too much money.

I think that would be a great hire for MTSU.

I can't believe Memphis didnt put an offset clause in his contract.
https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/s...415600002/

I agree...that's why Tubby would be a bargain right...we're paying the guy lol

(03-16-2018 09:10 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(03-16-2018 01:07 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(03-16-2018 12:40 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 06:45 PM)Ole Blue Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 06:04 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  I'm not a Tubby fan either. He's seen better days imho. Was just curious.

Yeah that's a hard no from me as well.

really? he inherited a total circus from Pastner and managed 19 wins season 1...once he got his guys in there he took a rag-tag group to 21 wins and a winning AAC record in season 2.

for all the talk of his lack of recruiting these are quality recruits by MTSU standards.

https://247sports.com/Player/Myreon-Jones-90320
https://247sports.com/player/jamal-johnson-77070
https://247sports.com/player/david-nickelberry-86138

plus, Memphis would be paying him 1.62 million per year for the next 6 years...so he won't be asking for too much money.

I think that would be a great hire for MTSU.

I can't believe Memphis didnt put an offset clause in his contract.
https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/s...415600002/

I agree...that's why Tubby would be a bargain right...we're paying the guy lol

How is Tubby with the media ? Is he cranky ?