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(03-08-2018 11:58 AM)Tribeheart Wrote:  Northeastern, followed by Charleston, will be the conference top of the pyramid next season. Charleston is playing post season, and Northeastern has a shot at the NIT (whether they choose CBI/CIT is tbd) Both are already plugged in for solid early season tournaments next year.

Bottom line is, both programs are poised to reap further team development/experience prior to conference play next season, beyond the remainder of the conference teams, which will pay off in separating them that much more from the pack, barring Grant leaving Charleston. If we want to contend with these two next year, then we have got to give our talented, young team the same opportunities to develop and gain added experience. Otherwise, we are saying that we are not looking to win a CAA championship next year, and will look for it the following season. It is that simple.

I agree, Tribeheart, especially with your comment that I put in bold. I also agree with others that a early-season/holiday tourney next year is preferable to CIT/CBI this year but --- we need to, hopefully, do at least one or the other. There still seem to be some tourney slots that we could get in if Huge is willing to spend the money. Maybe with Driscoll out and Huge in, and Reveley on the way out and Rowe on the way in, that perhaps the attitude on spending this money might change. I can't help but remember back to the late '70s and early '80s when we had absolutely no problem getting in (and paying for) holiday tournaments every single year.
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If it's one or the other, strictly based on funds, then the early season tournament should be the priority. Otherwise, we should be shooting for both, with the understanding that Luke and Jihar would be getting large playing time in any post season play this year.

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I am not sure that it helps win the CAA tournament to play in these tournaments. Towson, JMU and Hofstra all each played in one this season and lost in their first game in the CAA tourney. But, it does serve as additional experience for the team. Also, it is a trip to look forward to and a possible resume builder to be noticed if the team is successful. Towson had a good preseason tournament run this year, but they fell off hard during the CAA season to make it a moot point. I will give credit that W&M is already doing something right to get the level of consistency we have had the last 5 seasons. It does seem that with the younger nucleus next year(only Paul as a Senior), it is an opportunity for some big game experience early for next year's team. Our new AD has already done some neat things, maybe this will happen too. But cost is a factor. I can certainly understand that personally right now.
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Regarding Towson, JMU and Hofstra, it is a testament to Skerry, Rowe and Mihalich not being in the same ballpark as Coen and Grant with respect to player/team development, as well as, in game coaching. Tony and staff are.

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These are all good comments, but at Tony's final luncheon at Anna's immediately before the CAA Tourney
he was asked about next year's schedule and the point of participating in these early tourneys was raised.

Tony didn't directly comment on these tourneys but he did say that "next season's schedule is pretty much set already".
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This team has 2 of the top 10 returning players in the CAA (based on the all-CAA votes) along with one of the top 3 point shooters who was also a double figure scorer. Northeastern and Charleston will be the favorites but I would put us third. The next 2 years have a chance to be scary good.
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(03-08-2018 01:04 PM)BigTribe3 Wrote:  Tony ... did say that "next season's schedule is pretty much set already".

If so, it would be great if it was publicized. Never too soon to start prognosticating (or to develop angst over certain matchups).
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Outside of Marcus, Knight and Pierce might be the 2 best sophomores we’ve had in the Shaver era. If they continue developing, they could have 2 of the best careers in Tribe history.
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(03-08-2018 12:19 PM)TribePride91 Wrote:  I am not sure that it helps win the CAA tournament to play in these tournaments. Towson, JMU and Hofstra all each played in one this season and lost in their first game in the CAA tourney. But, it does serve as additional experience for the team. Also, it is a trip to look forward to and a possible resume builder to be noticed if the team is successful. Towson had a good preseason tournament run this year, but they fell off hard during the CAA season to make it a moot point. I will give credit that W&M is already doing something right to get the level of consistency we have had the last 5 seasons. It does seem that with the younger nucleus next year(only Paul as a Senior), it is an opportunity for some big game experience early for next year's team. Our new AD has already done some neat things, maybe this will happen too. But cost is a factor. I can certainly understand that personally right now.

It gives you the chance to get some big wins where when we have than inevitable head-scratching loss for the season, we can balance it out by a signature win. Even if we manage to have a good RPI (let's say 40), if we don't get a signature win (like Wake & Maryland during the at-large NIT year), we will still be left out of the tournament. A 40 RPI with wins over a couple of decent-good power conference schools looks a lot better than a 40 RPI with no wins over power conference schools.
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(03-08-2018 02:11 PM)WMtribe17 Wrote:  A 40 RPI with wins over a couple of decent-good power conference schools looks a lot better than a 40 RPI with no wins over power conference schools.

How would it even be possible to have a 40 RPI without some wins over P5 schools?
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Milon isn't bad either. I could see him score 20 plus next year. He will probably play Burchfield's position and get better match ups than this year when he was the third guard/small forward.

(03-08-2018 02:06 PM)TribeHoopster Wrote:  Outside of Marcus, Knight and Pierce might be the 2 best sophomores we’ve had in the Shaver era. If they continue developing, they could have 2 of the best careers in Tribe history.
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(03-08-2018 02:21 PM)Zorch Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 02:11 PM)WMtribe17 Wrote:  A 40 RPI with wins over a couple of decent-good power conference schools looks a lot better than a 40 RPI with no wins over power conference schools.

How would it even be possible to have a 40 RPI without some wins over P5 schools?

Play mid-majors out of conference that have a good rpi and/or benefit from a conference with several teams with good rpis. Northeastern managed an rpi of about 55 and they didn't beat a power conference team this season. Nevada currently has an rpi of 14 and their only signature win of the year is Rhode Island (another non-power conference school). Buffalo has no power conference wins and they have an RPI of 30.
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(03-07-2018 09:52 PM)zablenoise Wrote:  
(03-06-2018 11:36 AM)Rocco Wrote:  Tribe needs a guy who can come off the bench and make energy plays- hustle for loose balls, set screens, deliver hard fouls (seriously, put Riller on his butt a couple times and see if he keeps shooting arrows). They didn't have guy on the bench this year and it cost them.

In the past, Tony has really stayed away from that style of play. Personally, I love it but I'd be surprised to see that directive come out of this coaching staff

Loved the foul on Riller by Ollie at half-court that almost got him a flagrant. Riller was quieter after that.
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Actually, the refs told Riller, before the start of the second half, to put the arrows away. Apparently, he got the message.
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Riller can say what he wants, but Ollie's foul happened in the first half, and I didn't see any arrows after that. Maybe the refs said something to him then, but the foul was the point where his behavior changed. The refs reviewed the play and decided it was just a foul, but the message looked like it was sent by my admittedly biased eyes.
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People have talked about W&M's depth and minutes. W&M had one guy with over 1000 minutes (Cohn) and 7 guys with at least 10 mins/game, and then flotsam.

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The previous season no one cracked 1k minutes and 10 guys had at least 10 mins/game, so Shaver definitely tightened things this season (whether due to necessity or not). Here's this year's Charleston squad:

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3 guys with over 1000 minutes, 7 guys with at least 10 mins/game, then a couple other guys who played here and there. Here's 2016-17 UNCW:

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Three guys had ~1200 minutes, then Cacok had 900 minutes. They rode three guys hard, gave 7 guys at least 10 mins/game. 2015-16 UNCW:

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Only two guys with over 1k minutes, and a slightly wider distribution with 9 guys playing at least 10/mins game and Cacok just missing the cut. 2014-15 Northeastern:

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They rode their top guys for most of the season. One more, 2013-14 Delaware (deep sigh):

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Threatt and Saddler didn't rack up the high minutes of other guys because they missed games but 4 guys played ~35 mins/game. They too went about 7 deep, with a few other guys here and there.

The point is that being top-heavy or having a short bench isn't what held this team back. Most of the top teams the last few years have had similar setups or even played the starters more minutes than W&M's starters did. The real issue is the bottom of the roster didn't really bring anything to the table or earn Shaver's trust. You need guys 8-10 on the roster to bring energy/knock down 3s/ do things to turn a game around when things are going sideways.
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Per these guys, W&M has expressed interest in the CIT tournament.
https://happeninghoops.com/2018/03/09/ci...ssion=true

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Not possible ... the players always say no ... per other posters here.
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(03-11-2018 06:11 AM)Tribeheart Wrote:  Per these guys, W&M has expressed interest in the CIT tournament.
https://happeninghoops.com/2018/03/09/ci...ssion=true

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I find this far fetched.
The cbi and cit start this coming week. Are we even practicing?
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Hilarious.

Our fan base doesn't deserve any post season action based on many poster reactions but I do think the players do. If I were Knight or Pierce, I would ask why is it ok for every other CAA school to participate in a CIT field - along with Ivy and Patriot schools - yet somehow W&M finds it beneath them.

Pay to play? Don't we bid and pay to host FCS playoff games?

Hopefully this will be one more moronic stance that Ms Huge will attack.

I hope we participate. This team deserves it. For the posters who have issues, just stay home. Let the rest of us enjoy it.
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