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(01-16-2019 02:18 AM)The Grape King Wrote:  No idea how this thread turned into trashing our athletics. I've always been a supporter of Drexel and city basketball and never understand things like this.

Anyway. I don't know how things have gone attendance wise for Drexel this year, but I'm sure Isabell leaving a few months after this piece didn't help. But you guys can start by lowering ticket prices. I went to the Quinnipiac game last year and the cheapest ticket was $20. I spent the same to see #1 Villanova a week or two earlier at Liacouras Center with 10,000 people in the building. I like to occasionally hit the other gyms in philly, but I'm not going back to the DAC to see you guys play Elon for $20. I can go up to La Salle and see Davidson or VCU for half that, or spend the same to see a Michigan or Indiana at Rutgers. Rider tickets are $10 and they sell that place out most nights, it's a fantastic atmosphere. I'm not going to spend $20 to see Drexel just for the goodwill.

I really do support your program and want to see it thrive. I actually made it into Matthews a few weeks ago and sat behind your bench and cheered for Drexel. But it's a competitive college basketball market. You're not hosting Cincinnati or Xavier and you don't play at the Palestra (I'd easily drop $20 once or twice a year to see DI basketball at the Armory, too bad that's dead). Adjust the prices and hit the billboards. Every city team needs to work on its exposure.

Again, that's a fair point, especially coming from a cheap bastard like myself. I'm a season ticket holder so I pay significantly less than $20/game and get an even bigger discount on my second seat since I have kids who I take to the games.

The one issue that I have is that they don't seem to actually sell general admission tickets in the bleachers for less money.

Usually Drexel does offer a lot of ticket discounts. Alumni can get tickets at the box office for $15. They also seem to offer other various discounts as well. I think they used to sell on Groupon. They also offer flex packs of tickets for less than $20/ticket. Kids tickets are $10, and group tickets are significantly cheaper. Drexel also does not charge online ticket fees like Temple and Penn do, so that provides significant value to the ticket price.

The argument that Drexel might make is that the seats at the DAC as close as any in college basketball. While Drexel doesn't offer cheaper tickets, all of the chairback seats are premium seats. I know that you can't get seats as good as the seats at Drexel in any Philadelphia arenas for less than $20/ticket. Penn charges about that much to sit in 2nd level hard metal bleachers and a lot more to sit in chairbacks. Temple's cheaper seats are mostly in the upper deck. LaSalle charges at least $20 to sit in their POS of an arena. St. Joe's tickets are expensive too and Hagan arena is mostly bleachers. I'll leave Villanova out of this conversation altogether.

I also think that Drexel's argument is that if the team starts winning, seats will fill up, and nobody will care about paying $20/ticket.
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(01-16-2019 09:28 AM)J.B. Wrote:  I also think that Drexel's argument is that if the team starts winning, seats will fill up, and nobody will care about paying $20/ticket.

That is a bold statement, especially with the product we have now seen for the past 6 years. Heck, even during Bru's good years that was asking a lot. And yes our team is headed in the right direction.

To go on what you showed about other local teams, let me just add, last year I went to a game at Belmont while visiting Nashville. Belmont is a perennial tournament maker. Yes they are in a slightly lower conference of the Atlantic Sun, but their venue they play is pretty awesome. In my opinion one of the better mid major arenas around the country. I just pulled their website for their upcoming game against rival Tennessee State. You can get a seat for that game, which happens to be a double header with the women, for $12. That is for a seat that is 10 rows from the court, mid court next to season ticket holders. Those seats are all chair backs. It is a Saturday game, not a midweek game. You get off into corners etc and tickets can be found around $5 or less. Their arena seats just over 5,000 so it is not some enormous place.

Point being, we definitely need to accept where we are and the product being delivered. Chair back seating versus bleacher seating should matter. $20 even for lower level on the court seating is too high. I think many could rationalize $15 for chair backs and $10 general admission bleachers (realistically it should be 10 for chair backs and 5 for bleachers). Now, will that create and dramatic shift in attendance? Of course not. We are still Drexel. But if you want to encourage people to show up from the community, don't charge through the nose for mid major basketball that is barely competing. In fact when trying to build a base back up it should be the opposite. Charge low to get people in the door, then get the product up to snuff to keep them coming back, even with rising prices. Advertising and making big stinks about gameday around campus is important. Everyone just walking anywhere near the DAC should know there is a game about to happen. That part is being missed too, supposedly.
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(01-16-2019 11:14 AM)dan10 Wrote:  And yes our team is headed in the right direction.

Dan, you set this up just a little too well. Thanks.

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I find it funny that there's an argument that $20 is too expensive for a ticket to a sporting event. Like I said before, I'm really cheap, and don't like to pay a lot to watch sports live. But I still think that Drexel tickets are a bargain at $20/$15 (alumni)/$10 (kids). Compare these prices to all other sports tickets in Philadelphia. Part of the reason why I continue to be a season ticket holder of Drexel than other sports teams is the price. It's the best value out there to taking my kids and their friends to watch live sports. And to add to that, based on the location, there are so many places to eat in the area that we're not forced to buy crappy overpriced concession food either. Drexel's concessions are crappy, but unlike other sporting venues, they are easy to avoid.

I would bet that if you did a cost/benefit analysis of lowering all of the prices that I listed above by $5, Drexel would not benefit from it. More money needs to be poured into marketing to get fans into the seats at the current prices. I would estimate that less than 1% of potential fans balk at going to a Drexel game because the $20/$15/$10 price is too expensive.

And, Dan, to your point above, I wouldn't compare Drexel to Belmont. While their ticket prices might be 25% lower, I'll bet that the cost of just about everything else in Nashville is about 25% cheaper than in Center City Philadelphia. It's an apples/oranges comparison.
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(01-16-2019 01:12 PM)J.B. Wrote:  And, Dan, to your point above, I wouldn't compare Drexel to Belmont. While their ticket prices might be 25% lower, I'll bet that the cost of just about everything else in Nashville is about 25% cheaper than in Center City Philadelphia. It's an apples/oranges comparison.

It was just an example. It is still a mid major program in a large city that is more focused on professional and SEC teams. We are not talking about living there, we are talking about attending mid major college basketball games. If a better program, nicer arena can cost less to attend in another major city, there is no reason Drexel can't adapt as well.

I agree marketing the team has more impact than just the prices. There is also not a good excuse for poor marketing of this team. Even when they lose they score points and play an exciting brand of basketball. That alone should be enough to keep people coming back if some effort is put in getting those people in the DAC to begin with.
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(01-16-2019 12:51 PM)metsox Wrote:  
(01-16-2019 11:14 AM)dan10 Wrote:  And yes our team is headed in the right direction.

Dan, you set this up just a little too well. Thanks.

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Good article. Funny thing is there has been a lot of that. Items I type end up overlaying what you guys are writing before you hit send.
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(01-16-2019 01:51 PM)dan10 Wrote:  That alone should be enough to keep people coming back if some effort is put in getting those people in the DAC to begin with.

Gave up my seat after nine years. Didn't receive 1 call or email asking why I didn't renew.
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(01-17-2019 04:43 PM)DrachenFire Wrote:  
(01-16-2019 01:51 PM)dan10 Wrote:  That alone should be enough to keep people coming back if some effort is put in getting those people in the DAC to begin with.

Gave up my seat after nine years. Didn't receive 1 call or email asking why I didn't renew.

that's a shame. i didn't renew a 5 game plan and didn't necessarily expect a bunch of calls asking why...but at least expected emails or calls advertising whatever plans they had for this year. it's like the marketing arm of our athletic department doesn't exist.

i'm trying to figure out how a thread about poor attendance wouldn't turn into bashing of the athletic department. who else can you blame?
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(01-16-2019 01:12 PM)J.B. Wrote:  I find it funny that there's an argument that $20 is too expensive for a ticket to a sporting event. Like I said before, I'm really cheap, and don't like to pay a lot to watch sports live. But I still think that Drexel tickets are a bargain at $20/$15 (alumni)/$10 (kids). Compare these prices to all other sports tickets in Philadelphia. Part of the reason why I continue to be a season ticket holder of Drexel than other sports teams is the price. It's the best value out there to taking my kids and their friends to watch live sports. And to add to that, based on the location, there are so many places to eat in the area that we're not forced to buy crappy overpriced concession food either. Drexel's concessions are crappy, but unlike other sporting venues, they are easy to avoid.

I would bet that if you did a cost/benefit analysis of lowering all of the prices that I listed above by $5, Drexel would not benefit from it. More money needs to be poured into marketing to get fans into the seats at the current prices. I would estimate that less than 1% of potential fans balk at going to a Drexel game because the $20/$15/$10 price is too expensive.

And, Dan, to your point above, I wouldn't compare Drexel to Belmont. While their ticket prices might be 25% lower, I'll bet that the cost of just about everything else in Nashville is about 25% cheaper than in Center City Philadelphia. It's an apples/oranges comparison.

I agree with your earlier point that the seats are closer than your gonna get for $20 anywhere else, but that's not something I or a lot of other people are particularly concerned about. I have more fun in the corner of a packed game than I do sitting front row of an empty game. And i sometimes go to 3 or 4 games a weekend, so I'm gonna do my best to do that for $40 or $50.

Last year, I went to I think 11 division one gyms. Drexel was the second highest price I paid, short of $25 I had to buy off a scalper 15 minutes before tip at St. John's. I paid less to see #4 Purdue at Rutgers, senior day at Providence, Temple at the Palestra against Penn, Harvard celebrate an Ivy title. I paid $40 for the entire Ivy League tournament, men's and women's. $20 is just too much for a CAA game, especially in a pro town with more college basketball teams than anywhere else in the country.

The secondary market kills Drexel here, too, because any other team in Philly, if it's not a marquee opponent, you can get in cheap on StubHub. La Salle tickets regularly fall to $6, Temple's to under $10. Joe's is a tougher ticket to get cheap, but they don't really have an attendance problem.

And think about the family of 4. They can go to the rave theater and see the latest release for cheaper than a drexel game. Are you going to spend $80 or $100 to take a family to one drexel game?

The DAC is a great experience for people looking for an up close and personal experience. I'd even raise the good seats to $25 or $30, but there needs to be a cheaper option for people not willing to spend that much. There are people that just can't afford it.
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(01-17-2019 08:13 PM)The Grape King Wrote:  
(01-16-2019 01:12 PM)J.B. Wrote:  I find it funny that there's an argument that $20 is too expensive for a ticket to a sporting event. Like I said before, I'm really cheap, and don't like to pay a lot to watch sports live. But I still think that Drexel tickets are a bargain at $20/$15 (alumni)/$10 (kids). Compare these prices to all other sports tickets in Philadelphia. Part of the reason why I continue to be a season ticket holder of Drexel than other sports teams is the price. It's the best value out there to taking my kids and their friends to watch live sports. And to add to that, based on the location, there are so many places to eat in the area that we're not forced to buy crappy overpriced concession food either. Drexel's concessions are crappy, but unlike other sporting venues, they are easy to avoid.

I would bet that if you did a cost/benefit analysis of lowering all of the prices that I listed above by $5, Drexel would not benefit from it. More money needs to be poured into marketing to get fans into the seats at the current prices. I would estimate that less than 1% of potential fans balk at going to a Drexel game because the $20/$15/$10 price is too expensive.

And, Dan, to your point above, I wouldn't compare Drexel to Belmont. While their ticket prices might be 25% lower, I'll bet that the cost of just about everything else in Nashville is about 25% cheaper than in Center City Philadelphia. It's an apples/oranges comparison.

I agree with your earlier point that the seats are closer than your gonna get for $20 anywhere else, but that's not something I or a lot of other people are particularly concerned about. I have more fun in the corner of a packed game than I do sitting front row of an empty game. And i sometimes go to 3 or 4 games a weekend, so I'm gonna do my best to do that for $40 or $50.

Last year, I went to I think 11 division one gyms. Drexel was the second highest price I paid, short of $25 I had to buy off a scalper 15 minutes before tip at St. John's. I paid less to see #4 Purdue at Rutgers, senior day at Providence, Temple at the Palestra against Penn, Harvard celebrate an Ivy title. I paid $40 for the entire Ivy League tournament, men's and women's. $20 is just too much for a CAA game, especially in a pro town with more college basketball teams than anywhere else in the country.

The secondary market kills Drexel here, too, because any other team in Philly, if it's not a marquee opponent, you can get in cheap on StubHub. La Salle tickets regularly fall to $6, Temple's to under $10. Joe's is a tougher ticket to get cheap, but they don't really have an attendance problem.

And think about the family of 4. They can go to the rave theater and see the latest release for cheaper than a drexel game. Are you going to spend $80 or $100 to take a family to one drexel game?

The DAC is a great experience for people looking for an up close and personal experience. I'd even raise the good seats to $25 or $30, but there needs to be a cheaper option for people not willing to spend that much. There are people that just can't afford it.

To go against your family argument, kids tickets are only $10, and they're not strict about the age, even though they say 12 and under. So a family of 4 can get in pretty cheap, especially if the parents are alumni. But like I said before, the $20 base ticket price has little if any to do with the attendance problems. A cheaper ticket might bring in an extra 5-10 fans, but lowering the ticket prices too much, and there's no revenue. While I would like to see more people in the seats, my attitude is that it's other people's loss, and it's easier for me to maneuver my way around. If the game is exciting, I'm having just as much enjoyment when my group have the whole section to ourselves rather than it being filled with annoying people.
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lot of blue seats tonight.anyone over there care?
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(01-17-2019 09:58 PM)fredsavage Wrote:  lot of blue seats tonight.anyone over there care?

Students care. The student section was packed to the top rows tonight.

BTW, there are a lot of tickets sold thus far for Saturday's game. I would anticipate getting close to a sellout.
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(01-17-2019 09:52 PM)J.B. Wrote:  But like I said before, the $20 base ticket price has little if any to do with the attendance problems. A cheaper ticket might bring in an extra 5-10 fans, but lowering the ticket prices too much, and there's no revenue.


While I would like to see more people in the seats, my attitude is that it's other people's loss, and it's easier for me to maneuver my way around. If the game is exciting, I'm having just as much enjoyment when my group have the whole section to ourselves rather than it being filled with annoying people.

Those two statements I have issues with. The first one, it absolutely has an effect. Is it the biggest cause? No it is not. But to act like it has no effect beyond 5-10 people seems disingenuous. Which has more revenue: Empty seats at $20 or 5 seats at $10? Bogus argument unless tickets are being sold out

That attitude may align with our athletic department's viewpoint, but that is a terrible way to think about it. Yes it is entertainment, but there is a lot more entertainment in college sports when you have a full and engaged crowd, or as you say "annoying people". Few people go to games as a method to avoid human contact. That just is not reasonable. That viewpoint, to me, is elitist, which at best is terribly misplaced. I would hope we are better than expecting or wanting Drexel athletics to be about individualism and not wanting to share experiences and excitement with those around us. Discouraging social interaction in a college atmosphere, is not what I would call forward thinking
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(01-18-2019 07:47 AM)dan10 Wrote:  
(01-17-2019 09:52 PM)J.B. Wrote:  But like I said before, the $20 base ticket price has little if any to do with the attendance problems. A cheaper ticket might bring in an extra 5-10 fans, but lowering the ticket prices too much, and there's no revenue.


While I would like to see more people in the seats, my attitude is that it's other people's loss, and it's easier for me to maneuver my way around. If the game is exciting, I'm having just as much enjoyment when my group have the whole section to ourselves rather than it being filled with annoying people.

Those two statements I have issues with. The first one, it absolutely has an effect. Is it the biggest cause? No it is not. But to act like it has no effect beyond 5-10 people seems disingenuous. Which has more revenue: Empty seats at $20 or 5 seats at $10? Bogus argument unless tickets are being sold out

That attitude may align with our athletic department's viewpoint, but that is a terrible way to think about it. Yes it is entertainment, but there is a lot more entertainment in college sports when you have a full and engaged crowd, or as you say "annoying people". Few people go to games as a method to avoid human contact. That just is not reasonable. That viewpoint, to me, is elitist, which at best is terribly misplaced. I would hope we are better than expecting or wanting Drexel athletics to be about individualism and not wanting to share experiences and excitement with those around us. Discouraging social interaction in a college atmosphere, is not what I would call forward thinking

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I'm not discouraging people from coming to the games. I have NOTHING to do with people not showing up. I'm just a fan and don't work for Drexel Athletics. I'm not going out of my way to keep people from being here. I'm just saying that I'm not going to get my panties in a bunch over empty seats. If nobody wants to come, that's their loss. I had a great time last night enjoying the game with 8 empty rows of seats in front of me. BTW, I looked on the Drexel tickets site for Saturday's game and my section, section 7, is virtually sold out. The game itself will dictate how much fun I have on Saturday. Having a full section vs. and empty section will have no bearing.


And you're wrong about the cost analysis. Do the math. Let's Drexel sells 100 more tickets if the price was $10 instead of $20. What generates more revenue? 500 tickets at $20 each or 600 tickets at $10 each? That's why you can't just lower ticket prices. But you can offer more ticket specials and discounts to help fill the empty seats. Drexel does do a little bit of that, but I think they need to do more. But at the same time, you don't want to piss off the season ticket holders either who are paying about $15/ticket for every game. There's a sensitive balance here. This same argument is in play for every sports team, college and pro that struggles to sell tickets. It's not just a Drexel thing.
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(01-18-2019 08:00 AM)J.B. Wrote:  And you're wrong about the cost analysis. Do the math. Let's Drexel sells 100 more tickets if the price was $10 instead of $20. What generates more revenue? 500 tickets at $20 each or 600 tickets at $10 each? That's why you can't just lower ticket prices. But you can offer more ticket specials and discounts to help fill the empty seats. Drexel does do a little bit of that, but I think they need to do more. But at the same time, you don't want to piss off the season ticket holders either who are paying about $15/ticket for every game. There's a sensitive balance here. This same argument is in play for every sports team, college and pro that struggles to sell tickets. It's not just a Drexel thing.

That is why I said about selling out. If we were selling tickets that is correct, but we arent. If you are not getting asses in seats you have to find a way to. And yes selling season tickets at a lower price to attempt to increase more buys makes sense too. Prices should follow the success of the program, not be stiff regardless of results. If the team is winning, prices will go up, when they are losing they will go down. If seats were being filled, this would not even be a discussion, but they arent, thus it is a discussion. And yes this is not just a Drexel thing. However Drexel seems to be awfully stiff on our prices regardless of results, which does not make sense.
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(01-17-2019 08:13 PM)The Grape King Wrote:  I paid $40 for the entire Ivy League tournament, men's and women's. $20 is just too much for a CAA game, especially in a pro town with more college basketball teams than anywhere else in the country.
I'm surprised the Ivy League is that cheap. They made a 4 team tournament, so it's 3 games per gender for a total of 6. The CAA Men's Tournament gets low attendance and charges a lot more. The last statement is technically not true. New York City has 7 teams in Division I compared to 6 in Philadelphia, albeit the New York City teams are farther apart. St. Francis Brooklyn averages under 500, so you don't have the lowest attendance by a team in a big city. Long Island University-Brooklyn shares in the attendance misery with just over 500. Fordham averages 1,528, which is the second highest in New York City. St. John's has the second lowest average in the Big East. Creighton and Marquette average more than the sum of the seven teams in New York City. The New York City teams I didn't name before are Wagner, Manhattan, and Columbia.

Hofstra has the same $20 price for the best seats and has cheaper seats for $14.
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(01-18-2019 02:19 PM)EvanJ Wrote:  
(01-17-2019 08:13 PM)The Grape King Wrote:  I paid $40 for the entire Ivy League tournament, men's and women's. $20 is just too much for a CAA game, especially in a pro town with more college basketball teams than anywhere else in the country.
I'm surprised the Ivy League is that cheap. They made a 4 team tournament, so it's 3 games per gender for a total of 6. The CAA Men's Tournament gets low attendance and charges a lot more. The last statement is technically not true. New York City has 7 teams in Division I compared to 6 in Philadelphia, albeit the New York City teams are farther apart. St. Francis Brooklyn averages under 500, so you don't have the lowest attendance by a team in a big city. Long Island University-Brooklyn shares in the attendance misery with just over 500. Fordham averages 1,528, which is the second highest in New York City. St. John's has the second lowest average in the Big East. Creighton and Marquette average more than the sum of the seven teams in New York City. The New York City teams I didn't name before are Wagner, Manhattan, and Columbia.

Hofstra has the same $20 price for the best seats and has cheaper seats for $14.

It just goes to show you that mid-major college basketball in major markets is a really tough draw. The larger the market, and the more MAJOR forms of entertainment there are, the worse college teams will draw. My guess is that the $20 seats at Hofstra are equivalent to the $20 seats at Drexel (which is basically all of the chairbacks) while the cheaper seats are farther away from the court.
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(01-18-2019 02:19 PM)EvanJ Wrote:  
(01-17-2019 08:13 PM)The Grape King Wrote:  I paid $40 for the entire Ivy League tournament, men's and women's. $20 is just too much for a CAA game, especially in a pro town with more college basketball teams than anywhere else in the country.
I'm surprised the Ivy League is that cheap. They made a 4 team tournament, so it's 3 games per gender for a total of 6. The CAA Men's Tournament gets low attendance and charges a lot more. The last statement is technically not true. New York City has 7 teams in Division I compared to 6 in Philadelphia, albeit the New York City teams are farther apart. St. Francis Brooklyn averages under 500, so you don't have the lowest attendance by a team in a big city. Long Island University-Brooklyn shares in the attendance misery with just over 500. Fordham averages 1,528, which is the second highest in New York City. St. John's has the second lowest average in the Big East. Creighton and Marquette average more than the sum of the seven teams in New York City. The New York City teams I didn't name before are Wagner, Manhattan, and Columbia.

Hofstra has the same $20 price for the best seats and has cheaper seats for $14.

It just goes to show you that mid-major college basketball in major markets is a really tough draw. The larger the market, and the more MAJOR forms of entertainment there are, the worse college teams will draw. My guess is that the $20 seats at Hofstra are equivalent to the $20 seats at Drexel (which is basically all of the chairbacks) while the cheaper seats are farther away from the court.
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The lack of demand in a city with lots of options lends perfectly to why lowering tickets is a must. In a competition you have to have a reason for people to chose your event over another, price can move the needle some. Obviously quality of the entertainment matters most.
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RE: Always A Dragon - Empty Seats at the DAC
You're failing to take into account that more people means more concession sales, more apparel sales and more parking revenue. Honestly, they should have lowered prices for Spiker's first year to get people back in the building in the hopes that the new style of play would bring them back. It was obvious there was going to need to be a multi year effort to dig out of the hole.
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