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RE: Future of the Basketball Tournament
The SBC tournament should be a two session weekend event with only the top 4 teams. More fans from those 4 schools would show up because they all know they are only 2 games away from going to the NCAA tournament and don't have to miss one or more whole work days. This would also add interest to the last half of the regular season as teams battle for the 4th spot.
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Tournaments aren't going away. The ACC started this by making the decision long ago they would award one trophy and it would be to the tournament champion. At the time a relatively compact league with some big hoops followings.

My gut instinct is we should make the primary emphasis to be fan friendly and think outside the proverbial box.

Venue top priority should be a place with walking distance access to bars and restaurants. Think smaller on venue size. Maybe charge schools $10 per season ticket sold and include the conference tournament in season ticket packages and give out say 100 student tickets to the tournament to each school.
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The only way to not lose money on the conference tournament is to play all games at the home court of the higher seed . Reduce the tournament to 6 teams and give byes to 1 & 2 seeds. Play the games Monday, Thursday, Sunday so there is a rest day after travel.

An added benefit is that packed venues make your conference look big time.
03-13-2018 02:07 AM
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RE: Future of the Basketball Tournament
(03-13-2018 02:07 AM)Vobserver Wrote:  The only way to not lose money on the conference tournament is to play all games at the home court of the higher seed . Reduce the tournament to 6 teams and give byes to 1 & 2 seeds. Play the games Monday, Thursday, Sunday so there is a rest day after travel.

An added benefit is that packed venues make your conference look big time.

Is their anyone in this league that packs their arena...at any time?
03-13-2018 04:20 AM
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(03-13-2018 04:20 AM)OsageJ Wrote:  
(03-13-2018 02:07 AM)Vobserver Wrote:  The only way to not lose money on the conference tournament is to play all games at the home court of the higher seed . Reduce the tournament to 6 teams and give byes to 1 & 2 seeds. Play the games Monday, Thursday, Sunday so there is a rest day after travel.

An added benefit is that packed venues make your conference look big time.

Is their anyone in this league that packs their arena...at any time?

Only when we play Georgia State and App to a lesser extent.
03-13-2018 07:34 AM
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Also, campus sites inherently look small time regardless of how many people are there.

Packed neutral sites are what look big time.
03-13-2018 10:36 AM
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If SBC eliminates its tournament, the automatic NIT bid is lost for those years when the tournament champion is not the regular season champion. With the big schools now in control of the NIT at-large bids, the regular season runner-up would have the same chance of an at-large NIT bid as SBC now has of getting an at-large bid to the Dance. SBC is never going to be strong enough top to bottom or have a team get enough OOC big league wins to be a contender in the at-large picture for the NIT or the Dance. We are a one bid conference period with a consolation prize for the regular season champion, if applicable. Fantastic showings at the Dance are meaningless to SBC just like all the other one bid conferences. Getting to the Sweet 16 or Final Four at best is a boost only for the team making the run to get into AAC or A10.
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(03-13-2018 10:42 AM)Fanther Wrote:  If SBC eliminates its tournament, the automatic NIT bid is lost for those years when the tournament champion is not the regular season champion. With the big schools now in control of the NIT at-large bids, the regular season runner-up would have the same chance of an at-large NIT bid as SBC now has of getting an at-large bid to the Dance. SBC is never going to be strong enough top to bottom or have a team get enough OOC big league wins to be a contender in the at-large picture for the NIT or the Dance. We are a one bid conference period with a consolation prize for the regular season champion, if applicable. Fantastic showings at the Dance are meaningless to SBC just like all the other one bid conferences. Getting to the Sweet 16 or Final Four at best is a boost only for the team making the run to get into AAC or A10.

This seems a bit gloomy. I think tourney wins are worth more than just helping a team looking to jump to another conference. Also, I'd say CUSA is in the same range of one-bid territory that we are, and they put an at-large into the NIT this year (WKU). We just need a couple of teams to step up in the same year. Whether or not that'll ever happen...who knows...?

(And as far as the conference tourney goes, I'd still like to see it reduced. If the reason to keep it around is just to keep the NIT auto-bid, it really doesn't seem worth it, as the only way I typically want that bid to be used is in situations like this year where GSU isn't the regular-season champ but wins the tourney. Any other year, I'd rather our top team rep the Belt in the dance.)
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(03-13-2018 10:36 AM)_x_ Wrote:  Also, campus sites inherently look small time regardless of how many people are there.

Packed neutral sites are what look big time.

And our neutral sites look like cavernous empty buildings and make our attendance look pathetic.
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Agreed. If only Sun Belt fans would travel to New Orleans or they could find a way to get NO locals interested in that tournament. We can blame the setup all we want, but if the programs in this conference had better travelling fanbases (or we could muster even a little interest from the new Orleans locals) that isn't a terrible location or venue.

May be time to just throw in the towel and go to campus sites and just accept we are small time.
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(03-13-2018 12:30 PM)_x_ Wrote:  Agreed. If only Sun Belt fans would travel to New Orleans or they could find a way to get NO locals interested in that tournament. We can blame the setup all we want, but if the programs in this conference had better travelling fanbases (or we could muster even a little interest from the new Orleans locals) that isn't a terrible location or venue.

May be time to just throw in the towel and go to campus sites and just accept we are small time.

New Orleans is a fun location for the tournament. Still it is starting to get a little "old". This may be partly because my wife and I have gone to 2 weddings in New Orleans in the past couple of years in addition to the tourneys. Moving the tourney, every 3 or 4 years, seems to make sense. I can't imagine we are making much money in New Orleans considering the fan attendance and the total lack of local interest.
03-13-2018 12:54 PM
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What is the goal here?

Fun?

Scheduling vacations?

Playing as many meaningless, soul crushing games in front of a couple of janitors as possible?

Or, is the goal here, boys and girls, to WIN TOURNEY GAMES, and get those Tourney Units in the bank.

We are not looking for a school to win the NCAA Tournament. That is lunacy. We are looking for a team with the best chance possible to beat a 4 or 5 seed in that first game. This is all we should be concerned with.

Let your 2 top schools play a winner take all for a ticket to the Dance.

Major conferences can get silly with their auto-bids. They have that luxury. For a conference like the SBC, the auto-bid is priceless. It should be treated as such.

Every year we don't send our strongest to the Dance is a year wasted and an opportunity to make serious money for everybody flushed down the toilet.

It is insanity.
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I say, just let the regular season champion host the damn thing.
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I'd go to Atlanta for it. Maybe we could put 2 basketball courts in Ted Turner's stadium and cover them with circus tents. That would be rad, and is apprently the wave of the future.
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(03-13-2018 01:00 PM)CAJUNNATION Wrote:  What is the goal here?

Fun?

Scheduling vacations?

Playing as many meaningless, soul crushing games in front of a couple of janitors as possible?

Or, is the goal here, boys and girls, to WIN TOURNEY GAMES, and get those Tourney Units in the bank.

We are not looking for a school to win the NCAA Tournament. That is lunacy. We are looking for a team with the best chance possible to beat a 4 or 5 seed in that first game. This is all we should be concerned with.

Let your 2 top schools play a winner take all for a ticket to the Dance.

Major conferences can get silly with their auto-bids. They have that luxury. For a conference like the SBC, the auto-bid is priceless. It should be treated as such.

Every year we don't send our strongest to the Dance is a year wasted and an opportunity to make serious money for everybody flushed down the toilet.

It is insanity.

That sounds good . . . in theory . . .

But really, whose to say "... whom our strongest is?" And if they are really our strongest? Why don't they emerge from our Tournament The Champion?

By implying that we fail to send "our strongest to The Dance," you miss precisely what makes March Madness (The Dance) one of the premier sporting events year in and year out. After all, if "The Strongest" were to win it every year, then you could just give the championship to the overall number one seed and skip the actual playing of any games.

It is precisely because "The Strongest" doesn't win it each year, that not only makes it an exciting event, but gives Hope to all those not deemed: "The Strongest."
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(03-13-2018 03:32 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  That sounds good . . . in theory . . .

But really, whose to say "... whom our strongest is?" And if they are really our strongest? Why don't they emerge from our Tournament The Champion?

By implying that we fail to send "our strongest to The Dance," you miss precisely what makes March Madness (The Dance) one of the premier sporting events year in and year out. After all, if "The Strongest" were to win it every year, then you could just give the championship to the overall number one seed and skip the actual playing of any games.

It is precisely because "The Strongest" doesn't win it each year, that not only makes it an exciting event, but gives Hope to all those not deemed: "The Strongest."

Look at CUSA. MT was by far the strongest team in that conference and one of the strongest mid-majors in the country. They messed up in their tourney.

MT had the kind of team that coulda made a Gonzaga or Butler type run. That means MILLIONS$$$$ were possibly lost for CUSA schools. But, hey, that is fun, right?

This is a business, and mid major conferences are constantly leaving money on the table to make sure everybody gets a chance to have fun watching their school play a tournament in front of cheerleaders and a TV crew.
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(03-11-2018 10:04 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Tournaments aren't going away. The ACC started this by making the decision long ago they would award one trophy and it would be to the tournament champion. At the time a relatively compact league with some big hoops followings.

My gut instinct is we should make the primary emphasis to be fan friendly and think outside the proverbial box.

Venue top priority should be a place with walking distance access to bars and restaurants. Think smaller on venue size. Maybe charge schools $10 per season ticket sold and include the conference tournament in season ticket packages and give out say 100 student tickets to the tournament to each school.
Actually it was the Southern that started post season conference tournaments to determine conference champions.

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