Would rather see Southern Miss long before anything from the MAC.

Toledo has been a good program the last few years and I was greatly impressed with WMU as they took the Wolverines to the brink. I think with the right coach they can definitely do some damage. With that being said I think they will have to continue to play at a good level for a few more years and when/if another raid comes having a western footprint would be a good idea.
WMU is ok in my book i love the football team.

As is, no
But the potential is there UCF 10 years ago isn't the same UCF now
Boise was a jc like 25 years ago

As is no, but with the recent success and quality of recruiting the trajectory is there..
If over the next 6/7 years wmu produces a few more top 20 teams/establishes the brand. IMO
They will be the best option if byu/MWC aren't available in the invite big 12 poach
Bit same can be said about a lot of teams

(02-20-2018 03:52 PM)HornLakeTiger Wrote:  Would rather see Southern Miss long before anything from the MAC.

That I could get behind. Kick USF out and invite USM in.

Toledo would be the only team in the MAC/Sun Belt/CUSA I'd touch at this point (sorry to our resident NIU fan). They have financial stability (subsidy percentages are the lowest in the MAC and would be roughly the same as most of ours after the increase in media rights), good attendance and program history, good/decent Olympic sports, and are a natural rival with Cincinnati while increasing presence in the Midwest.

(02-20-2018 03:08 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 02:59 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  Just wanna know what you guys think of the AAC accepting in a couple teams from the MAC to establish a more northern/midwest presence. Teams like U Buffalo, Toledo, and especially Western Michigan are the schools I had in mind. What you guys think?

No, never. It would drag the conference down significantly.

There is not even one MAC program that will ever be worthy of an invitation to the American.

In fact, the mere asking of this question pisses me off.

I mean, hell, why don't we just invite the Cleveland Browns while we are at it ?

Oh god, your'e not one of those delusional UCF fans that thinks they're actually National champs??!! I know Toledo and Buffalo are a bit of a stretch but WMU has some serious room for growth and is easily the best program out of that conference. You can't tell me that Tulane or Tulsa are really "better" than WMU. And please stop acting like the AAC is a a cream of the crop conference, yes they are better than the MAC but putting yourself on a pedestal is laughable.

(02-20-2018 04:18 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 03:08 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 02:59 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  Just wanna know what you guys think of the AAC accepting in a couple teams from the MAC to establish a more northern/midwest presence. Teams like U Buffalo, Toledo, and especially Western Michigan are the schools I had in mind. What you guys think?

No, never. It would drag the conference down significantly.

There is not even one MAC program that will ever be worthy of an invitation to the American.

In fact, the mere asking of this question pisses me off.

I mean, hell, why don't we just invite the Cleveland Browns while we are at it ?

Oh god, your'e not one of those delusional UCF fans that thinks they're actually National champs??!! I know Toledo and Buffalo are a bit of a stretch but WMU has some serious room for growth and is easily the best program out of that conference. You can't tell me that Tulane or Tulsa are really "better" than WMU. And please stop acting like the AAC is a a cream of the crop conference, yes they are better than the MAC but putting yourself on a pedestal is laughable.

One good season and now your better than Toledo and NIU. Ohhhhh thank you for the laugh.

(02-20-2018 03:44 PM)muckdawg24 Wrote:  Here's one huge reason:

MAC Attendance

Yes I will agree with you that overall MAC attendance is poor but those averages are dragged down greatly by bottom of the barrel teams like Kent St, Eastern mich, ball st, and bowling green. Some of those schools only get 5k people to show up sometimes! WMU leads the conference in attendance and has a bright future, new coach, new president, highly rated recruiting classes, lots of players going in the draft(more than MSU and U of M this year), decent tv media market. I think with a couple more years of consistent winning and national attention they'd be a good fit for the AAC.

If I was re-building the conference from scratch, there might be a couple schools I'd switch out for others. But as it stands now, it makes no sense to go any bigger. We are desperate for a good media deal. Anything that doesn't directly benefit that significantly, isn't worth discussing right now unfortunately.

(02-20-2018 04:23 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 04:18 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 03:08 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 02:59 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  Just wanna know what you guys think of the AAC accepting in a couple teams from the MAC to establish a more northern/midwest presence. Teams like U Buffalo, Toledo, and especially Western Michigan are the schools I had in mind. What you guys think?

No, never. It would drag the conference down significantly.

There is not even one MAC program that will ever be worthy of an invitation to the American.

In fact, the mere asking of this question pisses me off.

I mean, hell, why don't we just invite the Cleveland Browns while we are at it ?

Oh god, your'e not one of those delusional UCF fans that thinks they're actually National champs??!! I know Toledo and Buffalo are a bit of a stretch but WMU has some serious room for growth and is easily the best program out of that conference. You can't tell me that Tulane or Tulsa are really "better" than WMU. And please stop acting like the AAC is a a cream of the crop conference, yes they are better than the MAC but putting yourself on a pedestal is laughable.

One good season and now your better than Toledo and NIU. Ohhhhh thank you for the laugh.

There's a reason we lead the MAC in both attendance and revenue. Nobody from chicago watches college sports, illinois and NW can't even fill half their stadium you think NIU will be any different?

(02-20-2018 04:18 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 03:08 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 02:59 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  Just wanna know what you guys think of the AAC accepting in a couple teams from the MAC to establish a more northern/midwest presence. Teams like U Buffalo, Toledo, and especially Western Michigan are the schools I had in mind. What you guys think?

No, never. It would drag the conference down significantly.

There is not even one MAC program that will ever be worthy of an invitation to the American.

In fact, the mere asking of this question pisses me off.

I mean, hell, why don't we just invite the Cleveland Browns while we are at it ?

Oh god, your'e not one of those delusional UCF fans that thinks they're actually National champs??!! I know Toledo and Buffalo are a bit of a stretch but WMU has some serious room for growth and is easily the best program out of that conference. You can't tell me that Tulane or Tulsa are really "better" than WMU. And please stop acting like the AAC is a a cream of the crop conference, yes they are better than the MAC but putting yourself on a pedestal is laughable.

Then why are you coming here fishing for an invite that's never gonna come ?

You didn't think this one through too well now, did you ?

(And yes, Tulsa and Tulane are light years ahead of every CRAP team, maybe with the exception of NIU.)

(02-20-2018 04:26 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 04:23 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 04:18 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 03:08 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 02:59 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  Just wanna know what you guys think of the AAC accepting in a couple teams from the MAC to establish a more northern/midwest presence. Teams like U Buffalo, Toledo, and especially Western Michigan are the schools I had in mind. What you guys think?

No, never. It would drag the conference down significantly.

There is not even one MAC program that will ever be worthy of an invitation to the American.

In fact, the mere asking of this question pisses me off.

I mean, hell, why don't we just invite the Cleveland Browns while we are at it ?

Oh god, your'e not one of those delusional UCF fans that thinks they're actually National champs??!! I know Toledo and Buffalo are a bit of a stretch but WMU has some serious room for growth and is easily the best program out of that conference. You can't tell me that Tulane or Tulsa are really "better" than WMU. And please stop acting like the AAC is a a cream of the crop conference, yes they are better than the MAC but putting yourself on a pedestal is laughable.

One good season and now your better than Toledo and NIU. Ohhhhh thank you for the laugh.

There's a reason we lead the MAC in both attendance and revenue. Nobody from chicago watches college sports, illinois and NW can't even fill half their stadium you think NIU will be any different?

False........

http://utrockets.com/news/2018/2/16/tole...-2017.aspx

(02-20-2018 04:27 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 04:18 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 03:08 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 02:59 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  Just wanna know what you guys think of the AAC accepting in a couple teams from the MAC to establish a more northern/midwest presence. Teams like U Buffalo, Toledo, and especially Western Michigan are the schools I had in mind. What you guys think?

No, never. It would drag the conference down significantly.

There is not even one MAC program that will ever be worthy of an invitation to the American.

In fact, the mere asking of this question pisses me off.

I mean, hell, why don't we just invite the Cleveland Browns while we are at it ?

Oh god, your'e not one of those delusional UCF fans that thinks they're actually National champs??!! I know Toledo and Buffalo are a bit of a stretch but WMU has some serious room for growth and is easily the best program out of that conference. You can't tell me that Tulane or Tulsa are really "better" than WMU. And please stop acting like the AAC is a a cream of the crop conference, yes they are better than the MAC but putting yourself on a pedestal is laughable.

Then why are you coming here fishing for an invite that's never gonna come ?

You didn't think this one through too well now, did you ?

(And yes, Tulsa and Tulane are light years ahead of every CRAP team, maybe with the exception of NIU.)

yea they're better than Kent st and ball st. Who isn't? But are they better than WMU or Toledo? Maybe

(02-20-2018 04:30 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 04:26 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 04:23 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 04:18 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 03:08 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  No, never. It would drag the conference down significantly.

There is not even one MAC program that will ever be worthy of an invitation to the American.

In fact, the mere asking of this question pisses me off.

I mean, hell, why don't we just invite the Cleveland Browns while we are at it ?

Oh god, your'e not one of those delusional UCF fans that thinks they're actually National champs??!! I know Toledo and Buffalo are a bit of a stretch but WMU has some serious room for growth and is easily the best program out of that conference. You can't tell me that Tulane or Tulsa are really "better" than WMU. And please stop acting like the AAC is a a cream of the crop conference, yes they are better than the MAC but putting yourself on a pedestal is laughable.

One good season and now your better than Toledo and NIU. Ohhhhh thank you for the laugh.

There's a reason we lead the MAC in both attendance and revenue. Nobody from chicago watches college sports, illinois and NW can't even fill half their stadium you think NIU will be any different?

False........

http://utrockets.com/news/2018/2/16/tole...-2017.aspx

Oh wow you led the MAC in attendance for one year, while most teams were in a rebuilding status. Your'e still freaking Toledo, WMU has proved they can get and attain national attention, I don't think college gameday would ever want to go to Toledo.

(02-20-2018 04:24 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 03:44 PM)muckdawg24 Wrote:  Here's one huge reason:

MAC Attendance

Yes I will agree with you that overall MAC attendance is poor but those averages are dragged down greatly by bottom of the barrel teams like Kent St, Eastern mich, ball st, and bowling green. Some of those schools only get 5k people to show up sometimes! WMU leads the conference in attendance and has a bright future, new coach, new president, highly rated recruiting classes, lots of players going in the draft(more than MSU and U of M this year), decent tv media market. I think with a couple more years of consistent winning and national attention they'd be a good fit for the AAC.

WMU attendance: less than 16,000 (about the same as Bowling Green, EMU, etc...)

Kalamazoo! A decent media market!?

HA! And I'm the delusional one here ?

Once again, didn't think this through now, did you ?

WSU didn't leave the Valley to join a conference with MAC teams. Sorry. But we wish you the best of luck. We really do.

(02-20-2018 04:35 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 04:30 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 04:26 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 04:23 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 04:18 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  Oh god, your'e not one of those delusional UCF fans that thinks they're actually National champs??!! I know Toledo and Buffalo are a bit of a stretch but WMU has some serious room for growth and is easily the best program out of that conference. You can't tell me that Tulane or Tulsa are really "better" than WMU. And please stop acting like the AAC is a a cream of the crop conference, yes they are better than the MAC but putting yourself on a pedestal is laughable.

One good season and now your better than Toledo and NIU. Ohhhhh thank you for the laugh.

There's a reason we lead the MAC in both attendance and revenue. Nobody from chicago watches college sports, illinois and NW can't even fill half their stadium you think NIU will be any different?

False........

http://utrockets.com/news/2018/2/16/tole...-2017.aspx

Oh wow you led the MAC in attendance for one year, while most teams were in a rebuilding status. Your'e still freaking Toledo, WMU has proved they can get and attain national attention, I don't think college gameday would ever want to go to Toledo.

What kind of national attention have they gotten since a 6-6 season? Is game day coming back now that the used car salesman head coach is gone?

Just wondering.......

Now that you're triggered..... I'll go back to enjoying a MAC Football Championship and our men's team competing for a top seed in the MAC basketball tournament.

(02-20-2018 04:39 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 04:24 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 03:44 PM)muckdawg24 Wrote:  Here's one huge reason:

MAC Attendance

Yes I will agree with you that overall MAC attendance is poor but those averages are dragged down greatly by bottom of the barrel teams like Kent St, Eastern mich, ball st, and bowling green. Some of those schools only get 5k people to show up sometimes! WMU leads the conference in attendance and has a bright future, new coach, new president, highly rated recruiting classes, lots of players going in the draft(more than MSU and U of M this year), decent tv media market. I think with a couple more years of consistent winning and national attention they'd be a good fit for the AAC.

WMU attendance: less than 16,000 (about the same as Bowling Green, EMU, etc...)

Kalamazoo! A decent media market!?

HA! And I'm the delusional one here ?

Once again, didn't think this through now, did you ?

You don't want to spend much time in Kalamazoo, unless you enjoy crippling depression or gun shots.

(02-20-2018 02:59 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  Just wanna know what you guys think of the AAC accepting in a couple teams from the MAC to establish a more northern/midwest presence. Teams like U Buffalo, Toledo, and especially Western Michigan are the schools I had in mind. What you guys think?

This is like asking your boss for his/her thoughts on a raise for you after doing a horrible job all year. Feedback will not be positive.

(02-20-2018 04:43 PM)utpotts Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 04:39 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 04:24 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 03:44 PM)muckdawg24 Wrote:  Here's one huge reason:

MAC Attendance

Yes I will agree with you that overall MAC attendance is poor but those averages are dragged down greatly by bottom of the barrel teams like Kent St, Eastern mich, ball st, and bowling green. Some of those schools only get 5k people to show up sometimes! WMU leads the conference in attendance and has a bright future, new coach, new president, highly rated recruiting classes, lots of players going in the draft(more than MSU and U of M this year), decent tv media market. I think with a couple more years of consistent winning and national attention they'd be a good fit for the AAC.

WMU attendance: less than 16,000 (about the same as Bowling Green, EMU, etc...)

Kalamazoo! A decent media market!?

HA! And I'm the delusional one here ?

Once again, didn't think this through now, did you ?

You don't want to spend much time in Kalamazoo, unless you enjoy crippling depression or gun shots.

Lamo, says the guy from Toledo