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Is it time to turn Cane Broome loose?
Like a lot of others, I have generally been happy with the play of Justin Jenifer. He takes care of the basketball and plays very good defense. However, I just don't see Cincinnati beating a top 10-15 team in the NCAA tournament without Cane Broome playing 30 minutes.

It's time to take the training wheels off and turn him loose. He's going to turn the ball over 3-4 times per game, but it's pretty unlikely we get to the Final Four without an elite offense (not going to happen this year) or a dynamic point guard. I believe that if Cane Broome is allowed to operate freely and play 25-30 minutes per game, he can give us 12-15 points and really open up the offense. We've rarely seen his full potential because he gets hooked out of the game so quickly and doesn't always play enough minutes to get in rhythm.

I really hope Mick saw what most of us saw last night and makes the right call. Cane is going to dribble the ball off his foot once per game, throw an errant pass or two, and will get burned once or twice going for a steal or not rotating. But he'll also get into the lane, push the ball up the floor, and make timely baskets. Jenifer is the "safe" call, but he blends in more than he makes others better. Mick needs to stop being so stubborn and make the right call here.
 
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(02-19-2018 10:40 AM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Like a lot of others, I have generally been happy with the play of Justin Jenifer. He takes care of the basketball and plays very good defense. However, I just don't see Cincinnati beating a top 10-15 team in the NCAA tournament without Cane Broome playing 30 minutes.

It's time to take the training wheels off and turn him loose. He's going to turn the ball over 3-4 times per game, but it's pretty unlikely we get to the Final Four without an elite offense (not going to happen this year) or a dynamic point guard. I believe that if Cane Broome is allowed to operate freely and play 25-30 minutes per game, he can give us 12-15 points and really open up the offense. We've rarely seen his full potential because he gets hooked out of the game so quickly and doesn't always play enough minutes to get in rhythm.

I really hope Mick saw what most of us saw last night and makes the right call. Cane is going to dribble the ball off his foot once per game, throw an errant pass or two, and will get burned once or twice going for a steal or not rotating. But he'll also get into the lane, push the ball up the floor, and make timely baskets. Jenifer is the "safe" call, but he blends in more than he makes others better. Mick needs to stop being so stubborn and make the right call here.

Agree. Several have been calling for this for a long time. Broome has something that JJ does not. He can create his own shot and a shot for others.
 
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Without checking the scorecard, did the starting point guard score yesterday?...attempt a single shot? Hard to believe at this level. I agree with those who suggest Broome must play down the stretch if this team is going to score enough to beat quality opponents.
 
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i never really thought of jj as more than the kind of point you'd want off the bench for a quality bunch. you trust 'em. but yeah, f*ck it mick, what you got to lose?
 
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(02-19-2018 11:12 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  Without checking the scorecard, did the starting point guard score yesterday?...attempt a single shot? Hard to believe at this level. I agree with those who suggest Broome must play down the stretch if this team is going to score enough to beat quality opponents.

Broome played 28 minutes, JJ 11. JJ did not take a shot 2/2 from the FT like.
Broome was 7/10 from the field and 2/3 on 3's.
 
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This was Broome's best game as a Bearcat and Mick road him for long stretches because of that. How we play or PGs is going to vary from game to game depending on a variety of factors. Both have different skillsets and different flaws. It's not a bad thing that Mick gives them minutes based on how each individual game is going.
 
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Thoughts on whether Broome taking on a larger offensive role negatively impacts Evans and Clark?
 
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(02-19-2018 01:25 PM)Doc Brock Wrote:  Thoughts on whether Broome taking on a larger offensive role negatively impacts Evans and Clark?

Well the problem for JJ, is if Mick uses Jacob Evans as point, then JJ has no role in the offense. Cane is at least a legit 2 guard. JJ's defensive influence doesn't matter in this situation, as he's not good enough defensively to handle a bluett/shamet type - but he doesn't scare other teams, so they can play their all O no D players themselves.

JJ would have been a great addition for us 10 years ago... but the game is moving towards PG's that create their own shot. It's hard to have the ball in the hands of someone for long stretches that can't do that... JJ needs to have effective range from 25/26 feet at his height to really open up the O.

I'm still a believer that Cane can be a NVE for us, it's no coincidence that in our games against teams that are good, and rely on guards he's shown up well.

WSU, Xavier, Florida all point to he may be our best player, he's just an odd fit, Huggs made the move 26 years ago; switching a high volume player in NVE when he already had Buford and Jones... hopefully Cronin makes it when we already have Clark and Evans.
 
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It would help Evans and Cumberland. Defense collapses on him they're open for the pitch.
 
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(02-19-2018 01:21 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  This was Broome's best game as a Bearcat and Mick road him for long stretches because of that. How we play or PGs is going to vary from game to game depending on a variety of factors. Both have different skillsets and different flaws. It's not a bad thing that Mick gives them minutes based on how each individual game is going.

I would disagree. Platooning point guards based on how they are playing from game to game is like platooning quarterbacks. Neither ever feels completely comfortable in their role because they know they are one turnover away from being yanked, and neither ever establishes themselves as the leader they need to be in order to run the offense. Mick's approach was fine earlier in the season, but it's time to **** or get off the pot. Jenifer will take good care of the ball and lead us to a close loss in the 2nd round or Sweet 16, where he'll put up about 5 points and 3 assists. Cane Broome could get hot and carry us all the way to the Final Four. That's the way I see it.
 
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(02-19-2018 01:21 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  This was Broome's best game as a Bearcat and Mick road him for long stretches because of that. How we play or PGs is going to vary from game to game depending on a variety of factors. Both have different skillsets and different flaws. It's not a bad thing that Mick gives them minutes based on how each individual game is going.

JJ is my fave player on team. Its time for broome to start though. I think we should go 4 guard lineup anyway.

broome
williams
cumberland
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Nso

washington doesn't deserve another start and clark needs major rest
 
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(02-19-2018 04:15 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  
(02-19-2018 01:21 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  This was Broome's best game as a Bearcat and Mick road him for long stretches because of that. How we play or PGs is going to vary from game to game depending on a variety of factors. Both have different skillsets and different flaws. It's not a bad thing that Mick gives them minutes based on how each individual game is going.

I would disagree. Platooning point guards based on how they are playing from game to game is like platooning quarterbacks. Neither ever feels completely comfortable in their role because they know they are one turnover away from being yanked, and neither ever establishes themselves as the leader they need to be in order to run the offense. Mick's approach was fine earlier in the season, but it's time to **** or get off the pot. Jenifer will take good care of the ball and lead us to a close loss in the 2nd round or Sweet 16, where he'll put up about 5 points and 3 assists. Cane Broome could get hot and carry us all the way to the Final Four. That's the way I see it.

I always remembered what Huggs told me at a football game one time. He said "get to the elite eight (I said Sweet 16) and anything can happen. One guy gets hot and you can ride him all the way." The first sentence was word for word,the second sentence is pretty close to what he said. I saw this in Broome pretty quickly, he has that "it" factor. But a few in here throughout the season didn't think much about him. Almost like he didn't belong here or wasn't good enough. Cincinnati making a run is all predicated on if Mick just turns him loose. I don't think he will.
 
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Broome needs to get about 30 min a game, I would have JJ come in for 5-10 minutes as needed to give Cane some rest.
 
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(02-19-2018 08:02 PM)jarr Wrote:  Broome needs to get about 30 min a game, I would have JJ come in for 5-10 minutes as needed to give Cane some rest.

I'll like to see broome play real minutes when he's not put in HERO MAN situations. Right now we only really see him play when Mick don't care about playing open gym style game. Crazy how EVERYBODY on team plays better in faster pace style games besides Clark and Washington, even Nso, Brooks, and Scott play better faster pace. Mick has stop chasing INDIVIDUAL AWARDS!!!
 
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(02-19-2018 06:44 PM)BringBackthe Glory Wrote:  
(02-19-2018 04:15 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  
(02-19-2018 01:21 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  This was Broome's best game as a Bearcat and Mick road him for long stretches because of that. How we play or PGs is going to vary from game to game depending on a variety of factors. Both have different skillsets and different flaws. It's not a bad thing that Mick gives them minutes based on how each individual game is going.

I would disagree. Platooning point guards based on how they are playing from game to game is like platooning quarterbacks. Neither ever feels completely comfortable in their role because they know they are one turnover away from being yanked, and neither ever establishes themselves as the leader they need to be in order to run the offense. Mick's approach was fine earlier in the season, but it's time to **** or get off the pot. Jenifer will take good care of the ball and lead us to a close loss in the 2nd round or Sweet 16, where he'll put up about 5 points and 3 assists. Cane Broome could get hot and carry us all the way to the Final Four. That's the way I see it.

I always remembered what Huggs told me at a football game one time. He said "get to the elite eight (I said Sweet 16) and anything can happen. One guy gets hot and you can ride him all the way." The first sentence was word for word,the second sentence is pretty close to what he said. I saw this in Broome pretty quickly, he has that "it" factor. But a few in here throughout the season didn't think much about him. Almost like he didn't belong here or wasn't good enough. Cincinnati making a run is all predicated on if Mick just turns him loose. I don't think he will.


Mick is hardheaded. One careless Broome turnover, a forced shot, or an opponent going baseline on Broome and "he gone".
 
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(02-19-2018 09:36 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  Mick is hardheaded. One careless Broome turnover, a forced shot, or an opponent going baseline on Broome and "he gone".

to be fair, no one else on the team makes mistakes
 
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I think it's time to let him loose, but I still think it's match-up dependent. His best games (Florida, Xavier, Wichita), were all against good to great teams that are better offensively than defensively (none of these teams are elite defenses). But in a game where a half-court, defensive match-up is a given, Jenifer still might be the way to go. Against Villanova, I'm all for Broome getting the big minutes. Not convinced he'd be the way to go against Virginia though.
 
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