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(02-18-2018 03:36 PM)broncofan1 Wrote:  Our alignment with the MAC is the only thing keeping WMU Athletics afloat. If you think it's bad scraping by year after year now, just imagine what it would be without the conference. There is just no way we will ever be 'independent'. Jumping to another conference? Maybe.

But, the original post in this thread was about scheduling Cincy. I would love to see us schedule more mid-tier P5 schools. Indiana, Wake Forest, Cincinnati, Vanderbilt... they all make sense.

You are the perfect WCHA/MAC fan. Think small, be small, stay small.

When we were playing in the MAC in 1965, UCF didn’t exist, Boise was a JC, Marshall was DII, and Temple was hoping to get in the MAC someday. All saw an opportunity to build on something.
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(02-18-2018 03:22 PM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  I don't think anyone would argue that going football in AAC wouldn't be awesome. But let's be realistic, do you really think AAC would ever consider WMU? Sure we're in a decent TV market, but majority of that market is watching big ten on saturdays.

Do I think the AAC would consider taking us? Yes, and I believe they’d be open to UT, UB, and UMass as well.
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(02-18-2018 03:51 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  
(02-18-2018 03:36 PM)broncofan1 Wrote:  Our alignment with the MAC is the only thing keeping WMU Athletics afloat. If you think it's bad scraping by year after year now, just imagine what it would be without the conference. There is just no way we will ever be 'independent'. Jumping to another conference? Maybe.

But, the original post in this thread was about scheduling Cincy. I would love to see us schedule more mid-tier P5 schools. Indiana, Wake Forest, Cincinnati, Vanderbilt... they all make sense.

You are the perfect WCHA/MAC fan. Think small, be small, stay small.

When we were playing in the MAC in 1965, UCF didn’t exist, Boise was a JC, Marshall was DII, and Temple was hoping to get in the MAC someday. All saw an opportunity to build on something.
Great post CD. Dream big and pursue ambitious goals. Those are some great examples.

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(02-18-2018 03:51 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  
(02-18-2018 03:36 PM)broncofan1 Wrote:  Our alignment with the MAC is the only thing keeping WMU Athletics afloat. If you think it's bad scraping by year after year now, just imagine what it would be without the conference. There is just no way we will ever be 'independent'. Jumping to another conference? Maybe.

But, the original post in this thread was about scheduling Cincy. I would love to see us schedule more mid-tier P5 schools. Indiana, Wake Forest, Cincinnati, Vanderbilt... they all make sense.

You are the perfect WCHA/MAC fan. Think small, be small, stay small.

When we were playing in the MAC in 1965, UCF didn’t exist, Boise was a JC, Marshall was DII, and Temple was hoping to get in the MAC someday. All saw an opportunity to build on something.

The landscape today is so much different than the 60's, 70's, 80's, or 90's.

Go ahead, map out the road ahead without a conference.
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Outside of the MAC, what conference do you see being a viable (and by viable I mean fiscally smart) conference to join? WMU needs the MAC as much as the MAC needs WMU... its a symbiotic relationship between all of the member Universities that are currently riding that cusp of dipping into a potential G5 only sub d1 set of conferences... WMU is not a P5 and never will be... neither is Marshall, UCF, Temple or Boise... You have to stop looking at the MAC holding us back and start to realize where we would be if it wasn't for the MAC... Just not enough travel money to outfit our football program on trips across the country... CUSA would have been a logical jump years back but can you honestly say that the CUSA is in a better position than the MAC right now?

Its time for MAC programs to start putting up or shutting up... when we DO schedule these high end G5's we have to beat them... we have to be competitive with the P5's on our schedule and we have to start winning our damn bowl games...
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(02-18-2018 03:54 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  
(02-18-2018 03:22 PM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  I don't think anyone would argue that going football in AAC wouldn't be awesome. But let's be realistic, do you really think AAC would ever consider WMU? Sure we're in a decent TV market, but majority of that market is watching big ten on saturdays.

Do I think the AAC would consider taking us? Yes, and I believe they’d be open to UT, UB, and UMass as well.

I don’t know about UB, they’ve been ranked as one of the worst college football programs, definitely room for growth there though. Majority of the market for the AAC are watching ACC, and yes I do believe the AAC would consider WMU. Also Waldo would need an upgrade, that grass hill seating area just looks awful, put a grand stand there or something.
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(02-18-2018 04:53 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  yes I do believe the AAC would consider WMU.

Do you have some evidence for that statement?
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(02-18-2018 04:57 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  
(02-18-2018 04:53 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  yes I do believe the AAC would consider WMU.

Do you have some evidence for that statement?

If they have schools like ECU and Tulane. I think they would consider W Mich.
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(02-18-2018 05:02 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  
(02-18-2018 04:57 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Do you have some evidence for that statement?

If they have schools like ECU and Tulane. I think they would consider W Mich.

"think(ing)" is not evidence. Just wishful.

BTW - do you know what capacity of ECU's stadium is?

And Tulane is bad comparison. It's in an NFL city.
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(02-18-2018 04:44 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:  Outside of the MAC, what conference do you see being a viable (and by viable I mean fiscally smart) conference to join? WMU needs the MAC as much as the MAC needs WMU... its a symbiotic relationship between all of the member Universities that are currently riding that cusp of dipping into a potential G5 only sub d1 set of conferences... WMU is not a P5 and never will be... neither is Marshall, UCF, Temple or Boise... You have to stop looking at the MAC holding us back and start to realize where we would be if it wasn't for the MAC... Just not enough travel money to outfit our football program on trips across the country... CUSA would have been a logical jump years back but can you honestly say that the CUSA is in a better position than the MAC right now?

Its time for MAC programs to start putting up or shutting up... when we DO schedule these high end G5's we have to beat them... we have to be competitive with the P5's on our schedule and we have to start winning our damn bowl games...

You’re right, we’ll always be G5, but why stick with the worst G5 in college sports. The MAC is too stupid to even expand intelligently. WKU made sense. Youngstown made sense. Keeping Marshall made sense. UCF, Temple, and UMass never made sense.
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(02-18-2018 05:05 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  
(02-18-2018 05:02 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  
(02-18-2018 04:57 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Do you have some evidence for that statement?

If they have schools like ECU and Tulane. I think they would consider W Mich.

"think(ing)" is not evidence. Just wishful.

BTW - do you know what capacity of ECU's stadium is?

And Tulane is bad comparison. It's in an NFL city.

No I don’t have “evidence”, not sure what you would even consider evidence for something like this.
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(02-18-2018 03:51 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  
(02-18-2018 03:36 PM)broncofan1 Wrote:  Our alignment with the MAC is the only thing keeping WMU Athletics afloat. If you think it's bad scraping by year after year now, just imagine what it would be without the conference. There is just no way we will ever be 'independent'. Jumping to another conference? Maybe.

But, the original post in this thread was about scheduling Cincy. I would love to see us schedule more mid-tier P5 schools. Indiana, Wake Forest, Cincinnati, Vanderbilt... they all make sense.

You are the perfect WCHA/MAC fan. Think small, be small, stay small.

When we were playing in the MAC in 1965, UCF didn’t exist, Boise was a JC, Marshall was DII, and Temple was hoping to get in the MAC someday. All saw an opportunity to build on something.

Lol. I think it is funny how this thread looks so much like those on the CMU board that you, dip, routinely make fun of. Every once in awhile they say how they want to go big time, because the MAC is no longer worthy of the quality athletic school that they are. WMU has been an above average team in the MAC in the big sports for the last couple decades, except for the success we had under Fleck, who dip hates and believes was bad for our football program.

Here is the deal. Let's simply improve our big sport programs to an extent that we are consistently at the top or at least challenging every year for a league title, by getting innovative and energetic head coaches who reject the status quo, and have the understanding and confidence to go against "conventional wisdom ". Our budget is not, and won't ever be, what schools in the P5 or even AAC spend. And contrary to Dips claims, we do not have billionaires throwing money at us. We have some wealthy supporters who are interested in boosting our academic programs, and a wealthy alum in California who loved PJ Fleck, and who Fleck understood how to take advantage of. Not saying he isn't someone we should try to tap again, but buying a scoreboard and doing a little video with sly Stallone ain't the same as underwriting what we need to go "big time ".

The AAC thinks they are a P5 school, even though they are not even close. They are a very solid G5 though, and on the level of the Mountain West (except that the AAC teams can't win bowl games). Why do you think we would compete well in the AAC when we haven't been able to do the same in the MAC, except when Fleck was running things? Is it the longer distances that we would have to travel to each game that would make us win more, or the fact that we would simply play better against teams like Houston and Memphis in football and basketball? If we have powerful boosters willing to put tens of millions into our programs then where is the money now?

I get a lot of crap for even suggesting that it was unwise to move to the NCHC in hockey, but those folks refuse to own the fact that we had just come off a couple NCAA tournament bid seasons in a "lesser" league, but in our first five seasons in the nchc we have finished mostly in the bottom half, with our best year finishing in third place. Our schools financial or other commitment to hockey hasn't increased, nor has our attendance. It is exactly as I suggested it would be, but people still respond that I "think small". Lol. Fleck thought big, but he was an idiot, right? And he never suggested we leave the MAC. No need. Do what it takes to win right where you are.

This talk is just silly. It usually starts with some current studen, or recent grad, who doesn't really understand things.
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Man oh man....we're really in the offseason now, aren't we?
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(02-18-2018 05:29 PM)brovol Wrote:  
(02-18-2018 03:51 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  
(02-18-2018 03:36 PM)broncofan1 Wrote:  Our alignment with the MAC is the only thing keeping WMU Athletics afloat. If you think it's bad scraping by year after year now, just imagine what it would be without the conference. There is just no way we will ever be 'independent'. Jumping to another conference? Maybe.

But, the original post in this thread was about scheduling Cincy. I would love to see us schedule more mid-tier P5 schools. Indiana, Wake Forest, Cincinnati, Vanderbilt... they all make sense.

You are the perfect WCHA/MAC fan. Think small, be small, stay small.

When we were playing in the MAC in 1965, UCF didn’t exist, Boise was a JC, Marshall was DII, and Temple was hoping to get in the MAC someday. All saw an opportunity to build on something.

Lol. I think it is funny how this thread looks so much like those on the CMU board that you, dip, routinely make fun of. Every once in awhile they say how they want to go big time, because the MAC is no longer worthy of the quality athletic school that they are. WMU has been an above average team in the MAC in the big sports for the last couple decades, except for the success we had under Fleck, who dip hates and believes was bad for our football program.

Here is the deal. Let's simply improve our big sport programs to an extent that we are consistently at the top or at least challenging every year for a league title, by getting innovative and energetic head coaches who reject the status quo, and have the understanding and confidence to go against "conventional wisdom ". Our budget is not, and won't ever be, what schools in the P5 or even AAC spend. And contrary to Dips claims, we do not have billionaires throwing money at us. We have some wealthy supporters who are interested in boosting our academic programs, and a wealthy alum in California who loved PJ Fleck, and who Fleck understood how to take advantage of. Not saying he isn't someone we should try to tap again, but buying a scoreboard and doing a little video with sly Stallone ain't the same as underwriting what we need to go "big time ".

The AAC thinks they are a P5 school, even though they are not even close. They are a very solid G5 though, and on the level of the Mountain West (except that the AAC teams can't win bowl games). Why do you think we would compete well in the AAC when we haven't been able to do the same in the MAC, except when Fleck was running things? Is it the longer distances that we would have to travel to each game that would make us win more, or the fact that we would simply play better against teams like Houston and Memphis in football and basketball? If we have powerful boosters willing to put tens of millions into our programs then where is the money now?

I get a lot of crap for even suggesting that it was unwise to move to the NCHC in hockey, but those folks refuse to own the fact that we had just come off a couple NCAA tournament bid seasons in a "lesser" league, but in our first five seasons in the nchc we have finished mostly in the bottom half, with our best year finishing in third place. Our schools financial or other commitment to hockey hasn't increased, nor has our attendance. It is exactly as I suggested it would be, but people still respond that I "think small". Lol. Fleck thought big, but he was an idiot, right? And he never suggested we leave the MAC. No need. Do what it takes to win right where you are.

This talk is just silly. It usually starts with some current student, or recent grad, who doesn't really understand things.

Historically WMU has been one of the most mediocre programs at the FBS level, until Fleck, who came along turned things around, had a great season, and then bailed for a P5 school. Now were reverting back to our old ways of mediocrity starting with a 6-6 season with a team that had a decent amount of talent. Certainly good enough to get into a bowl game. Idk, waiting around for another messiah coach like Fleck could take a while and when he does come it's likely him, his staff, and his recruits will bail for a P5 program after they achieve success. I'm sure every college football fan and alumni thinks that their team is more worthy than the rest of the conference but c'mon were playing in a conference with teams that can barely fill a third of their stadium. I think this school's program is capable of achieving much more than what they have in the past, moving to the AAC might help it might not either way it would be fun to see.
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Historically Temple and UCF were aweful in the MAC. That didn’t keep them from upgrading. Think small, stay small.

I predict in 25 years GVSU will have passed us by in athletics.
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Next realignment is supposed to happen around 2023.
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(02-18-2018 07:43 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  Historically Temple and UCF were aweful in the MAC. That didn’t keep them from upgrading. Think small, stay small.

I predict in 25 years GVSU will have passed us by in athletics.

Overall I generally agree with your assessment of AAC's appeal. But those programs you mentioned became attractive commodities because of their Zip Codes. Not by anything their AD did or didn't do.

Temple is in the 4th largest US TV market, and UCF (and USF) is in a fast-growing population area in a nice climate.
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I’m not an NIU guy talking about joining the Big 12, we’re talking the AAC. This isn’t some mega conference with deep pockets. It’s a minor step up from the MAC. Yes, Houston and Temple are in big markets. so is EMU, Cinci, and Akron, problem is they’re pro sports markets where the audience doesn’t give a ****. Cinci’s stadium seats 30k and never sells out. Florida is a FB crazy state, and UCF has 45k students. That said it took a 14-0 season for Florida to take its mind off Florida, FSU, and Miami. No different than us and MSU UM and ND.

The difference in us and the Chips, is they’re in Bumfuk Nowhere, and then of course their discussions were about joining the Big Ten 03-lmfao03-lmfao because they’re just that gullible.
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(02-18-2018 09:27 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  I’m not an NIU guy talking about joining the Big 12, we’re talking the AAC. This isn’t some mega conference with deep pockets. It’s a minor step up from the MAC. Yes, Houston and Temple are in big markets. so is EMU, Cinci, and Akron, problem is they’re pro sports markets where the audience doesn’t give a ****. Cinci’s stadium seats 30k and never sells out. Florida is a FB crazy state, and UCF has 45k students. That said it took a 14-0 season for Florida to take its mind off Florida, FSU, and Miami. No different than us and MSU UM and ND.

The difference in us and the Chips, is they’re in Bumfuk Nowhere, and then of course their discussions were about joining the Big Ten 03-lmfao03-lmfao because they’re just that gullible.

CMU has no business sniffing anything other than the MAC, Big 10 is laughable, they talk as if their program is some kind of top tier legacy school but they can't even get 20k people to show up to their home openers.
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(02-18-2018 07:43 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  Historically Temple and UCF were aweful in the MAC. That didn’t keep them from upgrading. Think small, stay small.

I predict in 25 years GVSU will have passed us by in athletics.

Now that's something that needs to be addressed. GVSU is easily our biggest competitor for incoming students but that's a whole other topic.
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