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(02-20-2018 12:35 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  Alright, who here is running WMU Sports Rag twitter account. The exact conversation was just started on twitter.

Pretty sure it’s dip. He also runs the Facebook account

(02-20-2018 02:37 PM)Wmufan715 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 12:35 PM)Fthechips Wrote:  Alright, who here is running WMU Sports Rag twitter account. The exact conversation was just started on twitter.

Pretty sure it’s dip. He also runs the Facebook account

Lol, good stuff. He's getting a lot of positive responses, I'm sure he'll come firing back on this thread.

(02-20-2018 12:55 PM)tayles mullet Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 06:27 PM)brovol Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 04:50 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  Come on counselor, I said the CCHA. That’s what they saw as Big Time. Had everything to do with playing ND, MSU, scUM and OSU, and nothing to do with the others unless they were ranked.

If you had your way we we’d be bussing it to Marquette and playing unranked nobodies in a one bid league. KB and AFM got it right going to the SEC of college hockey.

Lol. I am longer "counselor", but yes, if I was making the decision six years ago, and WMU had to make the choice, I would, particularly with the power of hindsight, have opted against the NCHC. We were in a more regional league prior to then, and were flourishing. Just off a couple NCAA tournament years, we were a program most certainly on the rise. The choice, however, was not mine to make. Instead, those who decided opted with the far more popular option, which would place us in a league consisting of schools sharing passion and history for hockey excellence, and more importantly, financial and general commitment to the hockey programs success. Bigger and better rinks, filled with fans on every game day. Tough to keep up with the jones's when they are all millionaires. And if you can't, or don't, you end up in the dog house. When you are there for awhile, finishing third out of eight teams becomes the high water mark, and your most passionate fans become accepting of the same.

I will agree with one thing though. Our "standards" do seem to be different. I won't appologize for wanting to be successful at challenging for league titles far more often than not, and being normally in position to gain an NCAA bid at the end of the season, as I think we would have been each year had we opted for the WCHA. What we know for sure though is that our experience in the NCHC has been, by most objective standards, a clear disappointment, using wins and losses as the measurement.

What?!? I strongheartedly disagree. We hold a big recruiting advantage over other regional WCHA and even Big Ten programs by playing in the premier league in college hockey. The move has raised the bar and we are striving to reach it quite effectively. Ending up in the WCHA would have sucked - it's an inferior league that will never claim an NCAA championship, and am forever grateful that the NCHC recognized our program's potential and selected us. You've seriously got to be the only guy on the planet thinking it wasn't the right move at this point.

Ferris, a current wcha team, was in the NCAA championship game a few years ago. You are right though about me being the only person who feels that would have been a wiser move. Our first five years in the NCHC, and the history of our performance since then, also suggests that the nchc has not been a good fit for WMU. As for recruiting, I don't think the players we have been getting the last several years are better than the players we had before. Look at our rosters the last few years in the CCHA, and tell me those players were not as good as the players we have now. I know my comments don't fit the current narrative, but that makes them no less true. We we're a hot program on the rise, which is why we got the nchc invite, but aside from last season, overall the results have been a disappointment.

The same analysis would be true when the question is switching to a "better" football conference.

(02-21-2018 09:28 AM)brovol Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 12:55 PM)tayles mullet Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 06:27 PM)brovol Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 04:50 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  Come on counselor, I said the CCHA. That’s what they saw as Big Time. Had everything to do with playing ND, MSU, scUM and OSU, and nothing to do with the others unless they were ranked.

If you had your way we we’d be bussing it to Marquette and playing unranked nobodies in a one bid league. KB and AFM got it right going to the SEC of college hockey.

Lol. I am longer "counselor", but yes, if I was making the decision six years ago, and WMU had to make the choice, I would, particularly with the power of hindsight, have opted against the NCHC. We were in a more regional league prior to then, and were flourishing. Just off a couple NCAA tournament years, we were a program most certainly on the rise. The choice, however, was not mine to make. Instead, those who decided opted with the far more popular option, which would place us in a league consisting of schools sharing passion and history for hockey excellence, and more importantly, financial and general commitment to the hockey programs success. Bigger and better rinks, filled with fans on every game day. Tough to keep up with the jones's when they are all millionaires. And if you can't, or don't, you end up in the dog house. When you are there for awhile, finishing third out of eight teams becomes the high water mark, and your most passionate fans become accepting of the same.

I will agree with one thing though. Our "standards" do seem to be different. I won't appologize for wanting to be successful at challenging for league titles far more often than not, and being normally in position to gain an NCAA bid at the end of the season, as I think we would have been each year had we opted for the WCHA. What we know for sure though is that our experience in the NCHC has been, by most objective standards, a clear disappointment, using wins and losses as the measurement.

What?!? I strongheartedly disagree. We hold a big recruiting advantage over other regional WCHA and even Big Ten programs by playing in the premier league in college hockey. The move has raised the bar and we are striving to reach it quite effectively. Ending up in the WCHA would have sucked - it's an inferior league that will never claim an NCAA championship, and am forever grateful that the NCHC recognized our program's potential and selected us. You've seriously got to be the only guy on the planet thinking it wasn't the right move at this point.

Ferris, a current wcha team, was in the NCAA championship game a few years ago. You are right though about me being the only person who feels that would have been a wiser move. Our first five years in the NCHC, and the history of our performance since then, also suggests that the nchc has not been a good fit for WMU. As for recruiting, I don't think the players we have been getting the last several years are better than the players we had before. Look at our rosters the last few years in the CCHA, and tell me those players were not as good as the players we have now. I know my comments don't fit the current narrative, but that makes them no less true. We we're a hot program on the rise, which is why we got the nchc invite, but aside from last season, overall the results have been a disappointment.

The same analysis would be true when the question is switching to a "better" football conference.

You're not alone, trust me.