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RE: Cobb County Proposes Cutting Libraries After Dumb Decision To Build The Braves A Stad
I'm surprised they haven't replaced the basketball arena, it's what, about 20 years old? That's old by Atlanta standards.
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(02-16-2018 05:32 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  I'm surprised they haven't replaced the basketball arena, it's what, about 20 years old? That's old by Atlanta standards.


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RE: Cobb County Proposes Cutting Libraries After Dumb Decision To Build The Braves A Stad
(02-16-2018 04:19 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(02-16-2018 10:22 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  I've never been to Wrigley or Fenway although I would love to go to both. Those parks are ancient though so I didn't really have those in mind.

I think the field at those places are great. BUt the veneration of the grandstands is ridiculous. People think today is the era of the disposable stadium, but these parks weren't designed to last 20 years either.

Quote:The one that comes to mind is the Ballpark at Arlington...I have no idea what the corporate name is now. I think it was built a couple of years before Turner Field and it was so much more comfortable in my opinion. There was ample parking, free shuttles to take you back and forth from your lot, escalators to take you to the upper decks, larger concourses, and the ease with which you could get in and out of there was just incomparable to Tuner Field.

I will concede the concourses are tight. While they could have purchased more land around the stadium, it did abrupt the Connector on the west, severely limiting the options.

Quote:It's not really that Turner Field sucked, but Atlanta traffic is so congested anyway and everything about the layout made getting in and out very difficult. They should have bought more property around the stadium over the course of the years...built parking decks, a MARTA hub, redesigned the streets in the area for better traffic flow...

ATL traffic does blow, but Turner Field's location did allow for a reverse commute. And getting to Turner is far easier than getting to SunTrust Park. The Braves wanted to build a MARTA extension from Ga State to the stadium, but the city wouldn't allow them. I always felt the Olympic Stadium was built in easiest location for construction as opposed to near the GWCC or even the Civic Center.

Quote:But even the stadium itself wasn't what it should have been. I sat in the upper deck of Turner Field once before and swore I'd never do it again. The seats were directed at the wrong angle and even if I shifted my body the other way, I was so far away that I couldn't see a lick of anything. I spent the whole day roasting in the sun after taking an extra hour or so both ways to take MARTA and then ride a bus from the nearest station. First world problems, I know, but still frustrating...lol

I always sat along the 3rd base line. Regardless of upper or lower deck, I thought the view was fine. And if your thought you were far away at Turner, you would have loved Cominsky before the rebuild or Dodger Stadium.

Quote:I guess getting the stadium for free seemed reasonable at the time, but I think in the long term it weakened the fan experience and discouraged people from coming more often. If I lived in Atlanta then I would probably take in a few more games, but I wouldn't go regularly...too much hassle.

And as hot as Atlanta is, they should have built a stadium with a retractable roof.

I know Houston and Phoenix have two retractable roof stadiums, but I don't know how that would have gone over in Atlanta. That said, if they could have partnered with GT it might have worked.

Quote:I guess what gets me is that no one really sat down at the outset and thought about what would be best. Everyone made and has continued to make short term decisions that seem expedient at the time. The end result is that doing it right becomes ever more costly considering all the investments that have been made in doing it half way for 20 plus years.

When you have the money to build anew as opposed to rehabbing what exists, that type of planning is an anathema to progress. It is a the truest reflection of Atlanta; perpetual reconstruction.

I think the retractable roof would have been a huge hit. That's essentially what Mercedes Benz Stadium is right now, it's just not built for baseball. Stick a lazy river in the outfield and have it sponsored by Whitewater. Gold! 03-wink

Overall, I'm not saying SunTrust was a great idea. Personally, I think they should have built close to downtown, but I just know I've experienced better than Turner Field on a multitude of occasions and I would even say the Georgia Dome was vastly superior.

It's the lack of forethought that gets me. Most every complaint could have been dealt with in a cost effective way if both the Braves and the City of Atlanta had a top flight experience as their priority. I'm not sure what their priorities were, but they seem a little off.
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RE: Cobb County Proposes Cutting Libraries After Dumb Decision To Build The Braves A Stad
(02-16-2018 06:03 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(02-16-2018 05:32 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  I'm surprised they haven't replaced the basketball arena, it's what, about 20 years old? That's old by Atlanta standards.


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They are doing a major renovation though. The new owner isn't a fan of having the suites all on one side.
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(02-16-2018 10:12 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  I think the retractable roof would have been a huge hit. That's essentially what Mercedes Benz Stadium is right now, it's just not built for baseball. Stick a lazy river in the outfield and have it sponsored by Whitewater. Gold! 03-wink

Overall, I'm not saying SunTrust was a great idea. Personally, I think they should have built close to downtown, but I just know I've experienced better than Turner Field on a multitude of occasions and I would even say the Georgia Dome was vastly superior.

It's the lack of forethought that gets me. Most every complaint could have been dealt with in a cost effective way if both the Braves and the City of Atlanta had a top flight experience as their priority. I'm not sure what their priorities were, but they seem a little off.

I know every pans the cookie cutter multi-purpose stadiums of the 70-80's, but there was a method to their madness in maximizing facility usage. As for priorities, the Braves and the city relationship was had been in a constant state of deterioration since the Olympics. The Stadium Authority (a tool strictly for funds transfer a sinecure for the mayor) made promises they had no willingness or intention of keeping.
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And those stadiums all lasted at least 30 years in high usage.
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RE: Cobb County Proposes Cutting Libraries After Dumb Decision To Build The Braves A Stad
(02-17-2018 07:33 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(02-16-2018 10:12 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  I think the retractable roof would have been a huge hit. That's essentially what Mercedes Benz Stadium is right now, it's just not built for baseball. Stick a lazy river in the outfield and have it sponsored by Whitewater. Gold! 03-wink

Overall, I'm not saying SunTrust was a great idea. Personally, I think they should have built close to downtown, but I just know I've experienced better than Turner Field on a multitude of occasions and I would even say the Georgia Dome was vastly superior.

It's the lack of forethought that gets me. Most every complaint could have been dealt with in a cost effective way if both the Braves and the City of Atlanta had a top flight experience as their priority. I'm not sure what their priorities were, but they seem a little off.

I know every pans the cookie cutter multi-purpose stadiums of the 70-80's, but there was a method to their madness in maximizing facility usage. As for priorities, the Braves and the city relationship was had been in a constant state of deterioration since the Olympics. The Stadium Authority (a tool strictly for funds transfer a sinecure for the mayor) made promises they had no willingness or intention of keeping.

I'll say this, the folks running Atlanta sound a bit like the ones running Birmingham, but I'd still have to give the edge to Atlanta as far as competency. I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry about that.
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