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RE: BBJ: Answering key questions on BJCC stadium as big meeting looms
(02-06-2018 12:00 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  the amount of hem hawing and saying they are taking a tough decision and stressing this is just a resolution of intent and not a final contract does not leave me with warm and fuzzy feelings

I agree, but I'm hopeful that's just CYA pandering. Now the question is, when can we expect the city to actually allocate the money?
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RE: BBJ: Answering key questions on BJCC stadium as big meeting looms
First, congratulations. Long overdue for the city of Birmingham.
Second, why keep Legion Field? It's falling apart, it's in a crappy part of town, nobody wants to go there. There's no way that the bowl game stays there after a new stadium is built, so what's the purpose of it at that point?
I'm happy for you guys, I'm sure Troy and South Alabama are looking at this and thinking Dammit... Downtown stadium, new facility, basically on campus. Other than being close to the beach, what's the motivation to go to Troy or Mobile at this point for your level of athlete/recruit? UAB is right on the cusp of being really, really good at the C-USA level even without a new stadium, this is just going to push you right over the edge.
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(02-06-2018 06:17 PM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  First, congratulations. Long overdue for the city of Birmingham.
Second, why keep Legion Field? It's falling apart, it's in a crappy part of town, nobody wants to go there. There's no way that the bowl game stays there after a new stadium is built, so what's the purpose of it at that point?
I'm happy for you guys, I'm sure Troy and South Alabama are looking at this and thinking Dammit... Downtown stadium, new facility, basically on campus. Other than being close to the beach, what's the motivation to go to Troy or Mobile at this point for your level of athlete/recruit? UAB is right on the cusp of being really, really good at the C-USA level even without a new stadium, this is just going to push you right over the edge.

They've already had discussions with ESPN about the bowl game moving, it's pretty much a done deal. The only thing is the Magic City Classic. The new stadium would be kind of small, and it's a big tradition filled event. I think it'd be a waste to dump a bunch of money into Legion Field just for the Classic, but I'm not a taxpayer in the City of Birmingham anymore so it's up to them to do what they want. I can easily see the Classic not moving.
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It's basically a political issue. B'ham is majority black, so is the Mayor and most of the City Council. Some of the council genuinely want to see the neighborhood around LF not lose the money games bring in, some are out for some city money to spread around and a chance for some graft. There is also a fairly sizable group who thinks that all the benefits of gentrification go to big business and white power brokers. There's more than a little posturing going on as well.

I don't want to paint it as entirely racial, there are some legit issues - but there is a sizable percentage of it which is indeed racially heated.
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(02-06-2018 10:09 PM)UAB Band Dad Wrote:  It's basically a political issue. B'ham is majority black, so is the Mayor and most of the City Council. Some of the council genuinely want to see the neighborhood around LF not lose the money games bring in, some are out for some city money to spread around and a chance for some graft. There is also a fairly sizable group who thinks that all the benefits of gentrification go to big business and white power brokers. There's more than a little posturing going on as well.

I don't want to paint it as entirely racial, there are some legit issues - but there is a sizable percentage of it which is indeed racially heated.

Has a lot to do with trust(and control). Just as many outside of Birmingham(including many on this board) don't trust Birmingham no matter who is in charge, many in Birmingham don't trust communities from outside of Birmingham thinking they will lay the groundwork for a takeover(much like the folks in Montgomery have demonstrated numerous times in the past). The point being: neither entity trusts that the other will do what's right for Birmingham. I, for one, trust the current local administration far more than those folks down in Montgomery.
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Its gotten much better, especially with Coach Clark and UAB football. The whole experience brought the Birmingham community closer together. For many years folks from the Birmingham suburbs refused to acknowledge any affiliation with the city. People from outside of the area know nothing of the suburban communties, but yet, most times Birmingahm suburbanites would say they were from whatever their community was. I've noticed a major change in this as many more are responding with "Birmingham" (at least as part of the conversation) acknowledging "greater Birmingham" as the city/community. Efforts are underway to continue this direction by getting the 37 communities that make up the greater Birmingham area to work more together (with combined municipal services, for example). The linchpin will be an agreement to not poach from or recruit against each other. That is gonna prove difficult as there are communities that have spent a lot of money on facilities that directly compete with other local facilities (i.e. poaching).
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Sometimes race is just easier to see than political party or economic demographic. Poor people commit a lot of crimes against other poor people, but it is described as "Black on Black crime" even though many poor white people also commit the same crimes. Because of over a century of economic racism, there are simply a great many more Black poor than White poor. Our political leadership has kept them divided against each other by race to their advantage.
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(02-06-2018 11:12 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  Sometimes race is just easier to see than political party or economic demographic. Poor people commit a lot of crimes against other poor people, but it is described as "Black on Black crime" even though many poor white people also commit the same crimes. Because of over a century of economic racism, there are simply a great many more Black poor than White poor. Our political leadership has kept them divided against each other by race to their advantage.

Ugh Christ how did we get here
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(02-06-2018 10:50 PM)WesternBlazer Wrote:  Its gotten much better, especially with Coach Clark and UAB football. The whole experience brought the Birmingham community closer together. For many years folks from the Birmingham suburbs refused to acknowledge any affiliation with the city. People from outside of the area know nothing of the suburban communties, but yet, most times Birmingahm suburbanites would say they were from whatever their community was. I've noticed a major change in this as many more are responding with "Birmingham" (at least as part of the conversation) acknowledging "greater Birmingham" as the city/community. Efforts are underway to continue this direction by getting the 37 communities that make up the greater Birmingham area to work more together (with combined municipal services, for example). The linchpin will be an agreement to not poach from or recruit against each other. That is gonna prove difficult as there are communities that have spent a lot of money on facilities that directly compete with other local facilities (i.e. poaching).

Yeah, it's united the suburbs with the BBA and William Bell clique, but the whole UAB thing absolutely didn't bring in the neighborhoods of the actual city of Birmingham closer to everyone else. That's evident in the election of Woodfin, who is specifically a pushback against the whole "greater birmingham" theme, against the downtown revitalization theme, against the Avondale gentrification theme. It's why the support the city council is putting behind the stadium is so lukewarm and seems like a hostage situation
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(02-07-2018 07:15 AM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  
(02-06-2018 10:50 PM)WesternBlazer Wrote:  Its gotten much better, especially with Coach Clark and UAB football. The whole experience brought the Birmingham community closer together. For many years folks from the Birmingham suburbs refused to acknowledge any affiliation with the city. People from outside of the area know nothing of the suburban communties, but yet, most times Birmingahm suburbanites would say they were from whatever their community was. I've noticed a major change in this as many more are responding with "Birmingham" (at least as part of the conversation) acknowledging "greater Birmingham" as the city/community. Efforts are underway to continue this direction by getting the 37 communities that make up the greater Birmingham area to work more together (with combined municipal services, for example). The linchpin will be an agreement to not poach from or recruit against each other. That is gonna prove difficult as there are communities that have spent a lot of money on facilities that directly compete with other local facilities (i.e. poaching).

Yeah, it's united the suburbs with the BBA and William Bell clique, but the whole UAB thing absolutely didn't bring in the neighborhoods of the actual city of Birmingham closer to everyone else. That's evident in the election of Woodfin, who is specifically a pushback against the whole "greater birmingham" theme, against the downtown revitalization theme, against the Avondale gentrification theme. It's why the support the city council is putting behind the stadium is so lukewarm and seems like a hostage situation

All this, and the lack of dead bodies around a regularly full Regions Field leave both sides without a good argument.
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(02-07-2018 09:23 AM)BlazerPhil Wrote:  
(02-07-2018 07:15 AM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  
(02-06-2018 10:50 PM)WesternBlazer Wrote:  Its gotten much better, especially with Coach Clark and UAB football. The whole experience brought the Birmingham community closer together. For many years folks from the Birmingham suburbs refused to acknowledge any affiliation with the city. People from outside of the area know nothing of the suburban communties, but yet, most times Birmingahm suburbanites would say they were from whatever their community was. I've noticed a major change in this as many more are responding with "Birmingham" (at least as part of the conversation) acknowledging "greater Birmingham" as the city/community. Efforts are underway to continue this direction by getting the 37 communities that make up the greater Birmingham area to work more together (with combined municipal services, for example). The linchpin will be an agreement to not poach from or recruit against each other. That is gonna prove difficult as there are communities that have spent a lot of money on facilities that directly compete with other local facilities (i.e. poaching).

Yeah, it's united the suburbs with the BBA and William Bell clique, but the whole UAB thing absolutely didn't bring in the neighborhoods of the actual city of Birmingham closer to everyone else. That's evident in the election of Woodfin, who is specifically a pushback against the whole "greater birmingham" theme, against the downtown revitalization theme, against the Avondale gentrification theme. It's why the support the city council is putting behind the stadium is so lukewarm and seems like a hostage situation

All this, and the lack of dead bodies around a regularly full Regions Field leave both sides without a good argument.

Both sides have a good argument.

Pro-Stadium: We lost the Amazon bid not because of a firm moral stand on tax abatements, but because we suck in terms of Quality of Life. If we want a prosperous region we need improved quality of life. Sports are part (only part) of that. Birmingham needs better infrastructure, including but not limited to the BJCC project, to build the economy that rebuilds the neighborhoods.

Anti-Stadium: I recently had cause to travel to India. Good God, the worst parts of Birmingham are worse than the worst parts of Bangalore (and the best are not as good). That's not hyperbole. We have some Fourth World sections of this city, and the people trapped there have spent years watching their tax dollars go to build playgrounds for people from over the mountain. I don't blame them for their suspicions.

Again, both sides have a point. White outsiders have stuck it to Birmingham (like that ******* state rep from Mountain Brook who knows better than Birmingham's elected leadership in re minimum wage regs). Birmingham elected officials have engaged in shameless looting of public funds (there's this notion that it's been black officials, and there have been many, but the most ridiculously shameless (spelled k-a-t-o-p-o-d-i-s) were white).

This is a cooperative project that can signal an end to both of those.
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