It looks like Calgary won’t be replacing the Saddledome, so could the Flames be moving?

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/calga...-1.4406716

The Flames played in Atlanta from 1972-1980.

I don't understand the article.... Are the Flames relocating if a new arena isn't built? Are they relocating regardless? I mean the tone of the article is like they they are done in Calgary and Calgary, the city, will have to figure out what to do with the arena. I never remember their original Atlanta days but I do remember watching the '88 Winter Olympics.

Would they be a prime candidate for Seattle? Or does Seattle get its own team and the Flames move onto another city being either Canadian or US?

(02-02-2018 09:37 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  It looks like Calgary won’t be replacing the Saddledome, so could the Flames be moving?

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/calga...-1.4406716

The Flames played in Atlanta from 1972-1980.

The NHL will use Houston as leverage for building a new Calgary arena. That is what Tillman Fertitta has to deal with for getting in.

The Saddle Dome replaced a much smaller municipal rink when the Flames first moved from Atlanta.

(02-03-2018 12:55 AM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  Would they be a prime candidate for Seattle? Or does Seattle get its own team and the Flames move onto another city being either Canadian or US?

I found a SportsCentre (the TSN version with Jay and Dan) video from September where Calgary Flames ownership announced it gave up on pursuing a new arena in Calgary the day Seattle was originally supposed to announce plans to make KeyArena NHL-ready by 2020 (skip to 11:10):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLUMvtM2uDM&app=desktop

(02-03-2018 10:18 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(02-02-2018 09:37 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  It looks like Calgary won’t be replacing the Saddledome, so could the Flames be moving?

http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/calga...-1.4406716

The Flames played in Atlanta from 1972-1980.

The NHL will use Houston as leverage for building a new Calgary arena. That is what Tillman Fertitta has to deal with for getting in.

The Saddle Dome replaced a much smaller municipal rink when the Flames first moved from Atlanta.

What's funny is that the Oilers were supposed to be the Alberta franchise to move down here, not the Flames. They were supposed to do it right after the football Oilers left.

The NHL isn't going to let that team move to Seattle, because if it did, Seattle wouldn't have to pay the NHL $650 million for an expansion franchise. That $650 million is more than $20 million for each NHL owner.

I can't see an NHL team moving to the US unless they moved to a Frost Belt city. And how many of those are unspoken for? Even Metro New York has three NHL franchises. Maybe Hartford gets another go round or Providence if they are interested. Would Grand Rrapids be interested? Indianapolis can barely support two, let alone three teams. Milwaukee or Ohio's Big 2 might be the best bet.

Hopefully the Flames wind up in Quebec or Hamilton.

And that's a Canadian NHL team moving south.

I'd hate to see Calgary lose the Flames so I hope they are able to find a way to stay.

Cities that are "begging" to get back into the NHL likely won't get a relocated team. Think: Seattle and Quebec. They'll pay for one.

I'd say consider relocation to either Houston TX (Aeros), Hartford CT (Whalers), Hamilton ON (Tigers), Cleveland OH (Barons), Kansas City MO (Scouts), Montreal QC (Maroons) or Toronto ON (St. Patricks).

If they add all 9 of the above without any relocations they could do 4 conferences of 10.

Gretzky / Pacific: Edmonton Oilers, Calgary Flames, Vancouver Canucks, Seattle Kraken, San Jose Sharks, Los Angeles Kings, Anaheim Ducks, Vegas Golden Knights, Arizona Coyotes, Colorado Avalanche

Howe / Central: Detroit Red Wings, Cleveland Barons, Columbus Blue Jackets, Winnipeg Jets, Minnesota Wild, Chicago Blackhawks, St. Louis Blues, Kansas City Scouts, Dallas Stars, Houston Aeros

Orr / Northeast: Boston Bruins, New York Rangers, Buffalo Sabres, Hamilton Tigers, Toronto Maple Leafs, Toronto St. Patricks, Montreal Canadiens, Montreal Maroons, Ottawa Senators, Quebec Nordiques

Lemieux / Atlantic: Pittsburgh Penguins, Philadelphia Flyers, New York Islanders, New Jersey Devils, Hartford Whalers, Washington Capitals, Carolina Hurricanes, Nashville Predators, Florida Panthers, Tampa Bay Lightning

What are the chances Baltimore could handle another franchise? All they have is NFL and MLB...

It'd have to be an NBA franchise imo.

(02-03-2018 05:21 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  I'd hate to see Calgary lose the Flames so I hope they are able to find a way to stay.

Cities that are "begging" to get back into the NHL likely won't get a relocated team. Think: Seattle and Quebec. They'll pay for one.

I'd say consider relocation to either Houston TX (Aeros), Hartford CT (Whalers), Hamilton ON (Tigers), Cleveland OH (Barons), Kansas City MO (Scouts), Montreal QC (Maroons) or Toronto ON (St. Patricks).

If they add all 9 of the above without any relocations they could do 4 conferences of 10.

Gretzky / Pacific: Edmonton Oilers, Calgary Flames, Vancouver Canucks, Seattle Kraken, San Jose Sharks, Los Angeles Kings, Anaheim Ducks, Vegas Golden Knights, Arizona Coyotes, Colorado Avalanche

Howe / Central: Detroit Red Wings, Cleveland Barons, Columbus Blue Jackets, Winnipeg Jets, Minnesota Wild, Chicago Blackhawks, St. Louis Blues, Kansas City Scouts, Dallas Stars, Houston Aeros

Orr / Northeast: Boston Bruins, New York Rangers, Buffalo Sabres, Hamilton Tigers, Toronto Maple Leafs, Toronto St. Patricks, Montreal Canadiens, Montreal Maroons, Ottawa Senators, Quebec Nordiques

Lemieux / Atlantic: Pittsburgh Penguins, Philadelphia Flyers, New York Islanders, New Jersey Devils, Hartford Whalers, Washington Capitals, Carolina Hurricanes, Nashville Predators, Florida Panthers, Tampa Bay Lightning

There is no way the Leafs are letting another team get anyway close to the Toronto MSA. Even Hamilton is too close IMO.

Hamilton's problem is its proximity to Buffalo and Toronto.

(02-04-2018 04:03 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Hamilton's problem is its proximity to Buffalo and Toronto.

From a geography POV I’d agree; but do the Sabers have that much penetration in the Golden Horseshoe Area?

Their owner doesn't really care, he doesn't wanna lose any money to any team because Buffalo is a small market.

(02-04-2018 07:00 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(02-04-2018 04:03 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Hamilton's problem is its proximity to Buffalo and Toronto.

From a geography POV I’d agree; but do the Sabers have that much penetration in the Golden Horseshoe Area?

Seen some numbers that it is a minimum is at least 15%.

The Kitchener-Waterloo area would seem to be a better choice for the NHL. A high speed rail will be coming in from Toronto-Mississauga and that region has plenty of high tech jobs, like Raleigh and Austin, while being further away from Buffalo and Hamilton. That region has more potential stability than Quebec City. But a Mississauga team would essentially give Toronto two teams as the Toronto urban area now has such massive numbers.

It might as well be in Toronto, Mississauga is a glorified suburb. It's like Long Beach or Hempstead. I'd almost even compare it to San Jose.

(02-05-2018 12:21 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  It might as well be in Toronto, Mississauga is a glorified suburb. It's like Long Beach or Hempstead. I'd almost even compare it to San Jose.

Or like Anaheim and the Ducks, the Devils and Jersey, and the Islanders and Nassau County. Toronto has some relatively massive suburbs on the western side like Brampton or Mississauga.

Kitchener-Waterloo-Cambridge is accessible to Hamilton, London, and western Toronto burbs on a routine basis.

Newark is not a suburb, granted neither is a place like San Jose, though if you squint hard enough it looks like one.

How close is that area you mentioned to Detroit?

(02-05-2018 02:02 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  Newark is not a suburb, granted neither is a place like San Jose, though if you squint hard enough it looks like one.

How close is that area you mentioned to Detroit?

Windsor is about an hour. Detroit would be longer with customs.