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I wasn't talking about good misses. I was referring to the comment that long two pointers, just inside the three point line, were bad shots.
02-14-2018 07:53 AM
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(02-14-2018 07:53 AM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  I wasn't talking about good misses. I was referring to the comment that long two pointers, just inside the three point line, were bad shots.

Just because you took a bad shot and it goes in doesn't make it a good shot COGS

I think the point is, one step inside the 3 point line is the hardest 2 point shot you can possibly take. So why not take a step back and make it worth the risk by adding the extra point as reward.
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(02-14-2018 09:24 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(02-14-2018 07:53 AM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  I wasn't talking about good misses. I was referring to the comment that long two pointers, just inside the three point line, were bad shots.

Just because you took a bad shot and it goes in doesn't make it a good shot COGS

I think the point is, one step inside the 3 point line is the hardest 2 point shot you can possibly take. So why not take a step back and make it worth the risk by adding the extra point as reward.

So, you have the ball with a wide open shot, but you're not quite behind the three point line. I guess the defense is going to let you step back behind the line to take that shot. Maybe in a kids game. But on this level, not so much.
Plus, not all players are accurate three point shooters. The closer to the basketball, the easier the shot should be. I've played with guys that the three point line is just beyond their range of accuracy.
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(02-14-2018 10:11 AM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  
(02-14-2018 09:24 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(02-14-2018 07:53 AM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  I wasn't talking about good misses. I was referring to the comment that long two pointers, just inside the three point line, were bad shots.

Just because you took a bad shot and it goes in doesn't make it a good shot COGS

I think the point is, one step inside the 3 point line is the hardest 2 point shot you can possibly take. So why not take a step back and make it worth the risk by adding the extra point as reward.

So, you have the ball with a wide open shot, but you're not quite behind the three point line. I guess the defense is going to let you step back behind the line to take that shot. Maybe in a kids game. But on this level, not so much.
Plus, not all players are accurate three point shooters. The closer to the basketball, the easier the shot should be. I've played with guys that the three point line is just beyond their range of accuracy.
Just because it works for some people doesn't take away that it's factually the hardest 2 pt shot.
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(02-14-2018 07:53 AM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  I wasn't talking about good misses. I was referring to the comment that long two pointers, just inside the three point line, were bad shots.

It depends. If they're wide open shots, or it's at the end of the shot clock, it would be hard to argue it's a bad shot. But if it's contested....I think it is. If you're going to take a contested deep shot, it had better be a 3.
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(02-14-2018 10:11 AM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  So, you have the ball with a wide open shot, but you're not quite behind the three point line. I guess the defense is going to let you step back behind the line to take that shot.

It's all about spacing. The player shouldn't really have been standing at that spot to begin with. Before ever receiving the ball, he should have been behind the 3-point line.

That's why, on fast breaks (let's say a 3 on 2), you'll see 1 or 2 players "fan out" to the 3-point line more often than before. The driving player then has the option of going for the layup or getting his teammate a wide open 3 attempt.
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(02-14-2018 11:31 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(02-14-2018 10:11 AM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  So, you have the ball with a wide open shot, but you're not quite behind the three point line. I guess the defense is going to let you step back behind the line to take that shot.

It's all about spacing. The player shouldn't really have been standing at that spot to begin with. Before ever receiving the ball, he should have been behind the 3-point line.

That's why, on fast breaks (let's say a 3 on 2), you'll see 1 or 2 players "fan out" to the 3-point line more often than before. The driving player then has the option of going for the layup or getting his teammate a wide open 3 attempt.

If the other two both fan out for a three, that is poor coaching. You want one to follow the ball to the basket for a potential dump off or to be in position to put back a contested miss. And you're talking ideal situations. The speed of the game doesn't always allow you to be in an ideal spot for a shot. And, no matter how much harder a long two is to make, since your argument is distance, a three is still harder. I want the best shot to score period, in most situations. Making this three point argument only trumps the bitchin on here just last night about all the threes taken (and missed).
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Y'all are debating difficulty vs intelligence. It's not really an argument either side can win here, because there's best-case and worst-case scenarios for both that don't exactly line up simultaneously all the time. That's the beauty of basketball and sports in general really, but especially basketball because of the player's ability to decide risk vs reward on the fly.

It all boils down to the further away you are from the iron, the risk and reward increase exponentially and it's up to the five players on the court to decide which of them provides the best possible chances of success determinate by various skill sets. With certain players, the difficulty is too much of a risk or vice versa. Know your people.
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All I can say is Jordan Talley is money with his long 2s.
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(02-14-2018 06:58 PM)Seahawk2010 Wrote:  All I can say is Jordan Talley is money with his long 2s.

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I've enjoyed having you around these boards recently. I lol'd on that one.
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In a perfect world you get to shoot wide open 3 balls with your foot 1 inch behind the line but in a game situation you gotta take the shot when it comes open. That can be the long 2 or the short 3 but its really hard to get the other team to agree that you should be allowed to take only the 3 ball.
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Cacok is currently third in the country in both offensive and defensive rebounding %. Last time someone finished the season top 3 in both was Kenneth Faried in 2011 when he was first in both.

While developing a 3 point shot would obviously be great, I think he could really find a niche in the NBA in a Faried type roll as he has the athleticism to be a great defender.

His rebounding ability is NBA level, but I think he needs one more skill to make it. It could be either a jump shot, or dominate defense.
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Not an NBA guy, but I suppose next year we will start seeing scouts at the games?
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(02-16-2018 09:19 AM)FLHawk Wrote:  Cacok is currently third in the country in both offensive and defensive rebounding %. Last time someone finished the season top 3 in both was Kenneth Faried in 2011 when he was first in both.

While developing a 3 point shot would obviously be great, I think he could really find a niche in the NBA in a Faried type roll as he has the athleticism to be a great defender.

His rebounding ability is NBA level, but I think he needs one more skill to make it. It could be either a jump shot, or dominate defense.

He leads the nation in total rebounds, rebounds per game and rebounds per 40 minutes.
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Cacok averaged 21 points and 19 rebounds this week vs. Elon and CofC. He'll probably be battling it out with Riller for POW who averaged 30 ppg this past week.
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(02-18-2018 01:11 PM)82hawk Wrote:  Cacok averaged 21 points and 19 rebounds this week vs. Elon and CofC. He'll probably be battling it out with Riller for POW who averaged 30 ppg this past week.

Both are incredible stats really, I'd vote for Co-PoW for them.
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Cacok puts up such ridiculous rebounding numbers, I think it gets overlooked just how remarkable it is. It would be like a guy averaging 40 ppg. And those rebounds represent possessions and points.
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(02-18-2018 01:42 PM)82hawk Wrote:  Cacok puts up such ridiculous rebounding numbers, I think it gets overlooked just how remarkable it is. It would be like a guy averaging 40 ppg. And those rebounds represent possessions and points.

Historically more emphasis put on scoring on these awards than on other stats. Do not agree with that mentality but it is what it is. I think Cacock should bé POY
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I always look at it one way. If I could take any player in the CAA and have them on my team, who would it be? That's the POY in my opinion. And I wouldn't take any player over Cacok, period.
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