Isn't one of the things going for TCU that it has really deep pockets? Those mega renovations to the stadium 6 or 7 years ago were paid in full--no financing. They don't have to prove themselves anymore, in my mind.

(01-23-2018 10:22 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Isn't one of the things going for TCU that it has really deep pockets? Those mega renovations to the stadium 6 or 7 years ago were paid in full--no financing. They don't have to prove themselves anymore, in my mind.

TCU ALLWAYS PAYS CASH ..... They are SWIMMING IN IT ......!!


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(01-23-2018 10:21 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Duke out, BB falls off a cliff when Coach K is out

They'll be fine. They won't go to the Final Four every few years or get a top 3 seed every year but they'll be fine. They'll be what they were before Coach K got there, which was pretty good.

Only OU's, UT's, and ND's +1s have a chance of not being left behind, assuming the B12 folds in 2024/2025. If it doesn't fold, then there is nothing to leave behind.

If there is some larger merger with the B12 and Pac12 other than 4, I can see WVU and Baylor being left behind - if 8 B12 teams were merged. WVU is simply too far east and Baylor doesn't bring anything the other Texas schools don't already bring. If only 6 schools merged, I don't know who else gets left out. TT probably gets in due to politics alone. TCU has the Dallas market, so they get in. K-State is probably done. The pokes are redundant with OU. ISU might make the cut for being in the B10s backyard.

No, the ACC isn't going to take WVU or Uconn unless they're ND's +1.

(01-23-2018 10:21 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Duke out, BB falls off a cliff when Coach K is out

No. It does not matter if Duke becomes a bottom feeder with little attendance. Duke - from an academic POV - is a highly desirable conference companion. The ACC has no problem with a world where Duke loses all of the games and pumps up its big state schools.

Duke is beyond safe.

(01-23-2018 09:34 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 08:42 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Their attendance wouldn't be bad for an R5 school. As it stands, they play in a ~45,000~ seat stadium, so even if they were selling out, they still wouldn't have great attendance by R5 standards.

Conference realignment is like musical chairs and tectonic plates. If the plates start shifting they may find themselves without a seat.

How many times when these plates shifted did a major conference expel a member?

(01-23-2018 10:06 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Temple, UConn, SMU, TCU, Rice, Houston, South Florida, Cincinnati in the last 25 years alone. It happens, conferences collapse, teams get kicked out for performance (Temple). It happens.

None of those schools were expelled from a conference except Temple, and even then, Temple was only a football affiliate of the Big East, not a full member.

Just FYI, this "R5" term is silly. Not quite as silly as "P6", but still.

What? They are rich compared to everyone else. I refuse to concede that they're all powerful, which is why I call them the Rich 5. P5 is a media and message board term anyways.

And those schools were left behind, that sound better? Either way, they were demoted from major status. The Big 8 considered a full merger with the SWC but Texas and Texas A&M declined because they were trying to get away from the perceived deadweight. Only politics brought in the other two. The other three were left out.

(01-24-2018 06:17 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  What? They are rich compared to everyone else. I refuse to concede that they're all powerful, which is why I call them the Rich 5. P5 is a media and message board term anyways.

And those schools were left behind, that sound better? Either way, they were demoted from major status. The Big 8 considered a full merger with the SWC but Texas and Texas A&M declined because they were trying to get away from the perceived deadweight. Only politics brought in the other two. The other three were left out.

Money = power. P5 is the recognized term. No one will know what you're referring to with R5.

As for the most likely P5 schools to be demoted, it will be whoever goes down with the Big 12 ship. ISU, KSU, and Baylor at a minimum.

(01-23-2018 10:21 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Duke out, BB falls off a cliff when Coach K is out

Good observation.

A P4 consolidation might leave Iowa St, Kansas St, Oklahoma St on the outside looking in.

Of course all 3 have the facilities to dominate at the G5 level.

(01-24-2018 06:17 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  What? They are rich compared to everyone else. I refuse to concede that they're all powerful, which is why I call them the Rich 5. P5 is a media and message board term anyways.

And those schools were left behind, that sound better? Either way, they were demoted from major status. The Big 8 considered a full merger with the SWC but Texas and Texas A&M declined because they were trying to get away from the perceived deadweight. Only politics brought in the other two. The other three were left out.

You also can't say TCU at the break up of the SWC and TCU now are an apples to apples comparison. Since the breakup TCU has made major investments in the university from a athletic, academic, and campus community standpoint...much of it before getting the so called Rich 5 money and without forcing large student fees or debt on the university.

TCU is a much better school, a much better athletic department, a more rich campus community with so many more students living on campus, and a larger fan base than they were at the breakup of the SWC.

Certainly there is a chance that TCU gets left out if/when conferences shift again....but TCU as much or more than anybody has "earned" their current conference affiliation both on and off the field.

(01-23-2018 08:01 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  TCU has peaked. They're back, but for how long? It's admirable that they showed you could rebuild it from little or nothing but their potential going forward is limited, regardless of anything Houston does. Baylor is scandal-ridden, a private school and unlike TCU, didn't get into the Big 12 based on merit but upon politics and nepotism. Heck, they may just be joining Houston in the outhouse.

TCU got in because the Big 12 had just lost some key members, and needed some football juice going in to their 2011/2012 TV negotiations.

TCU (like WVU) got the call up because of their recent (at the time) success on the field, making and winning BCS bowl games. They had good timing, going to the Fiesta Bowl and Rose Bowl right at the time the Big 12 was getting raided.

That's it, it was a rare case where success on the field, not present-moment brand or market potential, was a critical factor.

Haven't gone through this thread... but none of them will be demoted.

/thread.

(01-23-2018 10:06 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Temple, UConn, SMU, TCU, Rice, Houston, South Florida, Cincinnati in the last 25 years alone. It happens, conferences collapse, teams get kicked out for performance (Temple). It happens.

Most of those aren't examples of a school being kicked out of a conference. With the exception of Temple, the rest are cases of a conference disbanding or schools being left behind when conference mates moved up.

I can't think of a case where a major conference (what we would now call a "power" conference), expelled a member. So, the answer to your question is none.

(01-24-2018 09:29 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Haven't gone through this thread... but none of them will be demoted.

/thread.

Agreed.

Unless there's some earth shattering scandal, no one is going anywhere.

Considering PSU is still in the B1G and Louisville is still in the ACC, I can't imagine what it would take.

(01-24-2018 09:50 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(01-24-2018 09:29 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Haven't gone through this thread... but none of them will be demoted.

/thread.

Agreed.

Unless there's some earth shattering scandal, no one is going anywhere.

Considering PSU is still in the B1G and Louisville is still in the ACC, I can't imagine what it would take.

Agreed. For the sake of the thread, I said Baylor but I don't actually think any will be. If the question becomes who will be left behind, then that depends on which conference(s) are imploded.

(01-24-2018 09:34 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(01-23-2018 10:06 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Temple, UConn, SMU, TCU, Rice, Houston, South Florida, Cincinnati in the last 25 years alone. It happens, conferences collapse, teams get kicked out for performance (Temple). It happens.

Most of those aren't examples of a school being kicked out of a conference. With the exception of Temple, the rest are cases of a conference disbanding or schools being left behind when conference mates moved up.

I can't think of a case where a major conference (what we would now call a "power" conference), expelled a member. So, the answer to your question is none.

Even in the case of Temple, it was kicked out of the old BE because they over played their hand. Its own administration dropped the ultimatum during the panic after the first ACC raid. They went to a BE meeting and demanded an all or nothing vote on its status. Temple shot itself in the foot. If they had just kept quiet and soldiered on during the turmoil, it probably would have received a nod for all sports once the dust settled.

(01-24-2018 06:56 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(01-24-2018 06:17 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  What? They are rich compared to everyone else. I refuse to concede that they're all powerful, which is why I call them the Rich 5. P5 is a media and message board term anyways.

And those schools were left behind, that sound better? Either way, they were demoted from major status. The Big 8 considered a full merger with the SWC but Texas and Texas A&M declined because they were trying to get away from the perceived deadweight. Only politics brought in the other two. The other three were left out.

Money = power. P5 is the recognized term. No one will know what you're referring to with R5.

As for the most likely P5 schools to be demoted, it will be whoever goes down with the Big 12 ship. ISU, KSU, and Baylor at a minimum.

Money doesn't always equal power.

Why is it so important to you that somebody get demoted? Is it a misery loves company kind of thing?

(01-24-2018 11:48 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(01-24-2018 06:56 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(01-24-2018 06:17 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  What? They are rich compared to everyone else. I refuse to concede that they're all powerful, which is why I call them the Rich 5. P5 is a media and message board term anyways.

And those schools were left behind, that sound better? Either way, they were demoted from major status. The Big 8 considered a full merger with the SWC but Texas and Texas A&M declined because they were trying to get away from the perceived deadweight. Only politics brought in the other two. The other three were left out.

Money = power. P5 is the recognized term. No one will know what you're referring to with R5.

As for the most likely P5 schools to be demoted, it will be whoever goes down with the Big 12 ship. ISU, KSU, and Baylor at a minimum.

Money doesn't always equal power.

In this case it does, of course.