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How important is defending the three?
I was curious, so I looked up the top 25 and bottom 25 teams in defending the three.

Top 25 -

286-125 record 70.4%

Only 1 team has a losing record at 7-12

Mean 3 pt FG% allowed is 29.5%

Bottom 25

157-304 record 28%

Only 5 teams have a winning record, with three at 9-8, 9-8 and 9-7

Mean 3 pt% allowed is 39.3%

So, about a 10% difference between bottom and top.

20 attempts per game x 3 = 60 potential points

60 x 29.5% = 17.7 ppg
60 x 39.3% = 23.58 ppg

That is right at a 6 point difference per game gained by being a top three point defensive team.
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RE: How important is defending the three?
It's really big to defend the 3. Cacok did better in the 2nd half but was too slow getting out there in the 1st half. You can't do that against Elon. Heck, if we had Matt available, we would have that threat too.
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How important is defending the three?
(01-11-2018 09:23 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  It's really big to defend the 3. Cacok did better in the 2nd half but was too slow getting out there in the 1st half. You can't do that against Elon. Heck, if we had Matt available, we would have that threat too.

Again, I like Matt and I’m sure he’s a great guy. However, I’m not gonna put a lot of “we would’ve been so much better with Elmore” sauce on my noodles since we’ve hardly seen him play at this level his freshman year and even then it wasn’t overly impressive.


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RE: How important is defending the three?
I didn't say that UNCW would be much better. Matt can extend the floor and no other big for UNCW can. That makes a difference. It opens up driving lanes for drivers.
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How important is defending the three?
(01-11-2018 11:38 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  I didn't say that UNCW would be much better. Matt can extend the floor and no other big for UNCW can. That makes a difference. It opens up driving lanes for drivers.


Gotcha. I’m just saying I don’t know that he can do what you’re saying. It didn’t happen last year and he’s been injured all of this year. To say he can definitively do anything that would improve our play at the D1 level, I just can’t do it.

I hope he can. We just haven’t seen it, and it’s not his fault.


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RE: How important is defending the three?
(01-11-2018 06:13 PM)82hawk Wrote:  Bottom 25

157-304 record 28%

Only 5 teams have a winning record, with three at 9-8, 9-8 and 9-7

Mean 3 pt% allowed is 39.3%
What's the best record of those teams? Hofstra is 10-7 while allowing .393. Before yesterday's games, Hofstra was tenth worst at .399 according to the NCAA. Hofstra has 3 wins in which they allowed at least 10 three-pointers with a percentage of .385 or better. The rest of the CAA has 7 wins when allowing that.
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RE: How important is defending the three?
I saw Elmore in high school but he played at a very low level-2A and that is just no indicator of how a kid might play at the D1 level. He did dominate but it was against players no taller than 6-3 both times I saw them play.
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RE: How important is defending the three?
McGrath was high on Elmore's improvement from last year before his injury.
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(01-15-2018 12:54 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  McGrath was high on Elmore's improvement from last year before his injury.
Yep, and if any Coach is going to give him a shot, McGrath is the one to do it. I think it will ultimately be up to Matt and how hard he is willing to work to get ready for next season. He has all the tools to dominate in the CAA. And he has the staff to have him ready.
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(01-15-2018 01:14 PM)surfsalot Wrote:  
(01-15-2018 12:54 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  McGrath was high on Elmore's improvement from last year before his injury.
He has all the tools to dominate in the CAA.

Let's not get carried away here. I personally think he could be a very solid player, but Dominate means like CaCock level, lets not get carried away!
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(01-15-2018 03:36 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(01-15-2018 01:14 PM)surfsalot Wrote:  
(01-15-2018 12:54 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  McGrath was high on Elmore's improvement from last year before his injury.
He has all the tools to dominate in the CAA.

Let's not get carried away here. I personally think he could be a very solid player, but Dominate means like CaCock level, lets not get carried away!

Agreed. I more than hope that's the case, but those types of descriptions aren't warranted yet.
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RE: How important is defending the three?
82Hawk, I appreciate the detailed summary. I'm curious how we're rebounding this season, and whether or not there is a correlation with recent improvement.
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RE: How important is defending the three?
I can tell you that Cacok leads the nation in total rebounds and rebounds per game while averaging just 28 minutes a game.
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RE: How important is defending the three?
I don't expect to ever have another player that will compare to Cacok. In McGrath's 18 years experience at Kansas and Carolina, he couldn't compare anyone to him. That doesn't say he's the best that's ever played here, but it's his type of skill level that's so unique. Elmore will never be that kind of player. But, if he was improving as much as McGrath was saying, he would have been instrumental in shoring up strength and size down low. And the one thing he has that Cacok doesn't, is the ability to step outside and score from even three point range.
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(01-16-2018 02:27 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  I don't expect to ever have another player that will compare to Cacok. In McGrath's 18 years experience at Kansas and Carolina, he couldn't compare anyone to him. That doesn't say he's the best that's ever played here, but it's his type of skill level that's so unique. Elmore will never be that kind of player. But, if he was improving as much as McGrath was saying, he would have been instrumental in shoring up strength and size down low. And the one thing he has that Cacok doesn't, is the ability to step outside and score from even three point range.

CaCock is like Rodman reincarnated
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(01-16-2018 03:52 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 02:27 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  I don't expect to ever have another player that will compare to Cacok. In McGrath's 18 years experience at Kansas and Carolina, he couldn't compare anyone to him. That doesn't say he's the best that's ever played here, but it's his type of skill level that's so unique. Elmore will never be that kind of player. But, if he was improving as much as McGrath was saying, he would have been instrumental in shoring up strength and size down low. And the one thing he has that Cacok doesn't, is the ability to step outside and score from even three point range.

CaCock is like Rodman reincarnated

Keatts always compared him to Kenneth Faried. Which is about as close as you can get. Stats and size are very similar.
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(01-16-2018 03:54 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 03:52 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 02:27 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  I don't expect to ever have another player that will compare to Cacok. In McGrath's 18 years experience at Kansas and Carolina, he couldn't compare anyone to him. That doesn't say he's the best that's ever played here, but it's his type of skill level that's so unique. Elmore will never be that kind of player. But, if he was improving as much as McGrath was saying, he would have been instrumental in shoring up strength and size down low. And the one thing he has that Cacok doesn't, is the ability to step outside and score from even three point range.

CaCock is like Rodman reincarnated

Keatts always compared him to Kenneth Faried. Which is about as close as you can get. Stats and size are very similar.

If i'm not mistaken , Faried had a more polished offensive game. But i could be wrong
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RE: How important is defending the three?
Probably the best on-court accomplishment of the Buzz Peterson era was beating Faried's Morehead State squad in 2010.

http://static.uncwsports.com/custompages...uncw03.htm

http://www.starnewsonline.com/sports/201...head-state
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(01-16-2018 03:59 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  Probably the best on-court accomplishment of the Buzz Peterson era was beating Faried's Morehead State squad in 2010.

http://static.uncwsports.com/custompages...uncw03.htm

http://www.starnewsonline.com/sports/201...head-state

16 points 13 Rebounds and 4 personal fouls for Faried. Sounds familiar
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RE: How important is defending the three?
(01-16-2018 04:04 PM)Gary Miller Wrote:  
(01-16-2018 03:59 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  Probably the best on-court accomplishment of the Buzz Peterson era was beating Faried's Morehead State squad in 2010.

http://static.uncwsports.com/custompages...uncw03.htm

http://www.starnewsonline.com/sports/201...head-state

16 points 13 Rebounds and 4 personal fouls for Faried. Sounds familiar


Trevor DeLoach with a double-double (17/14) in that one off the bench.
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