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(01-04-2018 06:59 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  Haven't read all the previous posts, so I'm sure I'm going to repeat some stuff.

Not planning on boycotting the championship because I want to see the two best teams in the country play for a title.

I'm glad UCF achieved what it did this year, as it can only help (along with the B1G getting left out of a playoff that ended with two SEC teams matching up) expand the playoffs to a point that G5 schools have a shot (8 teams is probably enough, though).

It's hard to feel too bad for UCF in getting left out, though. Maybe I'll feel differently if we're ever fortunate enough to be in the same situation at GSU. Could they compete, even in a four-team playoff? Probably. However, they know they're G5s in the FBS and are getting exactly what they bargained for. If you're seriously competing for a top 4 spot as a G5, you'd better beef up your OOC like crazy. If that means not scheduling FCS teams and only scheduling the top of the G5, so be it. (That goes for you, too, Boise State circa 2006-2010.)

Like P5's were busting down the door to go to Boise in 2006-2010.

The old, we can't give you a job because you are unemployed routine. Amazing how many G5 fans buy into that bogusness.

You have 5 conferences that have benefited from a monopoly for years....and you can't join the monopoly because you didn't get the benefits from the monopoly.

The...deck....is....stacked....against Boise....against UCF....against YOU.
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I've watched all the college football I intend to this year. UCF has my support. Hang that banner and declare yourself. You're just as legitimate as the rest.
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I haven't watched a P5 championship game in a while and I rarely watch P5 games at all. I'm a fan of Arkansas State University, not college football as a sport. Its a stupid sport. Nowhere else really do you have a sports league where half of its conferences get such extreme institutionalized advantages over the other half of its conferences.

Revenue advantages, scheduling advantages, television promotion advantages, league rule enforcement advantages, player acquisition advantages, a post-season selection process specifically geared to exclude half of its conferences, a post-season exhibition selection process geared to give preference to second-tier teams from favored conferences over good first-tier teams from non-favored conferences. The advantage of being able to poach entire coaching staffs from successful teams from non-favored conferences prior to their post-season play. The advantage of being able to poach even the alumni of the non-favored conference schools into their fan bases simply because they made supporting your own school irrelevant unless it is one of the favored.

That's not a sports league. Its a cartel.

It is amazing how American sports fans just accept all of that absurdity as if it were logical and rational and sacrosanct. It is amazing how many G5 fans just accept that they are lesser and that being treated like garbage is the natural state of things and something that should just be accepted. And when some unfavored school from an unfavored conference actually does manage to beat them despite the advantages....many G5 fans parrot the excuses and rationalizations of why it was a fluke, or why it doesn't matter, or how it just wasn't good enough.

Yeah, you want to see the "best two football teams" fight it out.....the "best two football teams that had EXTREME advantages built-in to almost guarantee that they got there" is what you mean.
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(01-04-2018 06:56 PM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  instead of alienating the rest of G5, AAC should be working with all non-P5 conferences to change the playoff structure. Strength in numbers....as they say.

And I do agree to this as well. No need for a Prig6. What I want is FBS football that gives at least every conf champ a place in the playoffs. Nothing short of this should be the goal.
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(01-04-2018 06:59 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  If you're seriously competing for a top 4 spot as a G5, you'd better beef up your OOC like crazy. If that means not scheduling FCS teams and only scheduling the top of the G5, so be it. (That goes for you, too, Boise State circa 2006-2010.)

The problem with this logic is that games are scheduled so far out it is hard to tell what you may be getting. I realize FCS is not going to help SOS but if UCF scheduled only P5 OOC then the argument will be those P5 were not good enough, or they had an off year. Schedule only ranked P5 will bring a response of not being Top-10. Schedule nothing by Top-10, then the margin of victory just was not what it should have been. The finish line will forever be moved back and out of reach of G5.

Every conference champ should have a shot, anything short of that is a popularity contest
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(01-04-2018 08:21 PM)McLeansvilleAppFan Wrote:  
(01-04-2018 06:59 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  If you're seriously competing for a top 4 spot as a G5, you'd better beef up your OOC like crazy. If that means not scheduling FCS teams and only scheduling the top of the G5, so be it. (That goes for you, too, Boise State circa 2006-2010.)

The problem with this logic is that games are scheduled so far out it is hard to tell what you may be getting. I realize FCS is not going to help SOS but if UCF scheduled only P5 OOC then the argument will be those P5 were not good enough, or they had an off year. Schedule only ranked P5 will bring a response of not being Top-10. Schedule nothing by Top-10, then the margin of victory just was not what it should have been. The finish line will forever be moved back and out of reach of G5.

Every conference champ should have a shot, anything short of that is a popularity contest

That's the bottom line. Nobody is asking for a level playing field in revenue, tv deals, recruiting, or anything like that. But every player should be able to achieve a National Championship on the field totally dependent on what they and their team actually DO. No polls, no eye tests, no computers, no sportswriters, no Condoleeza Rice....what they DO on the field.
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The NCAA just needs to take over and implement a true play off. On field results only, like others have said.

16 teams with 10 automatic qualifiers (conference champ from all 10), plus 6 at large. Or even a 10 team playoff with only the conference champs would be fine with me. Win your conference or get left out.
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Besides UCF, Wisconsin is the team that got totally screwed. They have one more win than Alabama, made their conference championship, and have a better loss than Alabama.
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I think the question is are we D-I or aren’t we?
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(01-05-2018 07:29 AM)AppNation85 Wrote:  I think the question is are we D-I or aren’t we?

Technically FCS is also D1.... So that argument isn't really valid unless you want to also eliminate the FBS/FCS or D1A/D1AA.
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(01-05-2018 08:32 AM)TXSTRiverBobcat Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 07:29 AM)AppNation85 Wrote:  I think the question is are we D-I or aren’t we?

Technically FCS is also D1.... So that argument isn't really valid unless you want to also eliminate the FBS/FCS or D1A/D1AA.

G5 basically is 1AA in football. FCS is now 1AAA
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(01-03-2018 11:04 AM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  16 teams football playoff (all games would be bowl games). P5 and G5 champs receive auto bids. 6 at-large teams according to the SOS and record. Reduced the number of regular season games to 10 (2 OOC, 8 conference games). boom! done.

Agree 1000%, but I don't see them reducing to 10 games anytime soon. too much $$$$ to be made.
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(01-04-2018 06:59 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  Haven't read all the previous posts, so I'm sure I'm going to repeat some stuff.

Not planning on boycotting the championship because I want to see the two best teams in the country play for a title.

I'm glad UCF achieved what it did this year, as it can only help (along with the B1G getting left out of a playoff that ended with two SEC teams matching up) expand the playoffs to a point that G5 schools have a shot (8 teams is probably enough, though).

It's hard to feel too bad for UCF in getting left out, though. Maybe I'll feel differently if we're ever fortunate enough to be in the same situation at GSU. Could they compete, even in a four-team playoff? Probably. However, they know they're G5s in the FBS and are getting exactly what they bargained for. If you're seriously competing for a top 4 spot as a G5, you'd better beef up your OOC like crazy. If that means not scheduling FCS teams and only scheduling the top of the G5, so be it. (That goes for you, too, Boise State circa 2006-2010.)

Oh, you mean like Bama did this year with their #47 ranked strength of schedule, right? Oh, and all non-conference games either played at home or on a neutral field, too. Oh, and someone please tell me again how UCF's "full body of work" was inferior to Bama's? It's rigged. Badly. Time for a change in the CFP - like, maybe turning it back over to the NCAA governing body like all other divisions and sports do? Wow, whadda concept!

EDITED TO ADD: UCF's AD brought up a great point about how, in recent history, there were often at least 2 national champs (since the NCAA doesn't run D-1A/FBS football) and that their "Nat'l Champ" swag wasn't intended to take anything away from Bama or Georgia, just to be recognized as "co-champs" like many others have in the past. I believe it was he who mentioned the CFP was based on opinion (of 13 P5'ers in a circle jerk) and was no different than the previous national champs who earned their "championship" based upon opinion as well.
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(01-05-2018 02:47 AM)eagleskins Wrote:  Besides UCF, Wisconsin is the team that got totally screwed. They have one more win than Alabama, made their conference championship, and have a better loss than Alabama.

Wisconsin SOS 13, UCF 54. That's all you need to know as to why they were left out.
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(01-05-2018 10:50 PM)airtroop Wrote:  
(01-04-2018 06:59 PM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  Haven't read all the previous posts, so I'm sure I'm going to repeat some stuff.

Not planning on boycotting the championship because I want to see the two best teams in the country play for a title.

I'm glad UCF achieved what it did this year, as it can only help (along with the B1G getting left out of a playoff that ended with two SEC teams matching up) expand the playoffs to a point that G5 schools have a shot (8 teams is probably enough, though).

It's hard to feel too bad for UCF in getting left out, though. Maybe I'll feel differently if we're ever fortunate enough to be in the same situation at GSU. Could they compete, even in a four-team playoff? Probably. However, they know they're G5s in the FBS and are getting exactly what they bargained for. If you're seriously competing for a top 4 spot as a G5, you'd better beef up your OOC like crazy. If that means not scheduling FCS teams and only scheduling the top of the G5, so be it. (That goes for you, too, Boise State circa 2006-2010.)

Oh, you mean like Bama did this year with their #47 ranked strength of schedule, right? Oh, and all non-conference games either played at home or on a neutral field, too. Oh, and someone please tell me again how UCF's "full body of work" was inferior to Bama's? It's rigged. Badly. Time for a change in the CFP - like, maybe turning it back over to the NCAA governing body like all other divisions and sports do? Wow, whadda concept!

EDITED TO ADD: UCF's AD brought up a great point about how, in recent history, there were often at least 2 national champs (since the NCAA doesn't run D-1A/FBS football) and that their "Nat'l Champ" swag wasn't intended to take anything away from Bama or Georgia, just to be recognized as "co-champs" like many others have in the past. I believe it was he who mentioned the CFP was based on opinion (of 13 P5'ers in a circle jerk) and was no different than the previous national champs who earned their "championship" based upon opinion as well.

According to this site Bama's SOS is 12.
https://www.teamrankings.com/college-foo...h-by-other

Warren Nolan has them at 11.
http://warrennolan.com/football/2017/sos

SB Nation has them #1.
https://www.sbnation.com/college-footbal...s-2017-sos

ESPN's Power Index has them #!.
http://www.espn.com/college-football/sta...eamratings
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People seem to be unaware that you can think it’s a flawed system...as I do...and still not think UCF had a clear top 4 resume among teams after the regular season...which is the system every one of our athletic departments knows we’re dealing with. Clearly the odds are against G5s making the playoff. Complaining about that doesn’t mean you can’t acknowledge that an SEC schedule is probably tougher than an AAC schedule.

On that note, it’s also possible to see both a flawed system and some value in a game dubbed the championship that’s still better than anything I got growing up. If you want to boycott, cool, I admire your dedication, but it’s still a matchup of two damn good football teams.
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(01-06-2018 09:49 AM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  People seem to be unaware that you can think it’s a flawed system...as I do...and still not think UCF had a clear top 4 resume among teams after the regular season...which is the system every one of our athletic departments knows we’re dealing with. Clearly the odds are against G5s making the playoff. Complaining about that doesn’t mean you can’t acknowledge that an SEC schedule is probably tougher than an AAC schedule.

On that note, it’s also possible to see both a flawed system and some value in a game dubbed the championship that’s still better than anything I got growing up. If you want to boycott, cool, I admire your dedication, but it’s still a matchup of two damn good football teams.

Since I see the SEC as being overrated, then playing a non-challenging non-conference schedule (that includes a money game or two and an FCS for a minimum three home games), then playing each other in conference not losing their ranking because they were so highly rated (LSU maintained their ranking despite their loss to Troy), then no, I can’t acknowledge they are superior. My opinion, were it not for Alabama, they’d be near the bottom of the P5.

The SBC has picked up a few SEC wins in recent memory: Arkansas, Miss St, Kentucky and LSU off the top of my head. I know there are wins against Alabama and Texas A&M as well.
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(01-06-2018 11:54 AM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  
(01-06-2018 09:49 AM)Pounce FTW Wrote:  People seem to be unaware that you can think it’s a flawed system...as I do...and still not think UCF had a clear top 4 resume among teams after the regular season...which is the system every one of our athletic departments knows we’re dealing with. Clearly the odds are against G5s making the playoff. Complaining about that doesn’t mean you can’t acknowledge that an SEC schedule is probably tougher than an AAC schedule.

On that note, it’s also possible to see both a flawed system and some value in a game dubbed the championship that’s still better than anything I got growing up. If you want to boycott, cool, I admire your dedication, but it’s still a matchup of two damn good football teams.

Since I see the SEC as being overrated, then playing a non-challenging non-conference schedule (that includes a money game or two and an FCS for a minimum three home games), then playing each other in conference not losing their ranking because they were so highly rated (LSU maintained their ranking despite their loss to Troy), then no, I can’t acknowledge they are superior. My opinion, were it not for Alabama, they’d be near the bottom of the P5.

The SBC has picked up a few SEC wins in recent memory: Arkansas, Miss St, Kentucky and LSU off the top of my head. I know there are wins against Alabama and Texas A&M as well.

The SEC might be overrated, but I can assure you that being able to remember the specific, small number of times an SBC team has beaten one of them is not an argument for why they're overrated.
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It is going to be rare that I think a G5 team deserves to be one of the top four but this year was one of them. They flat out were better than AU and AU can play with anyone. So it is not that they just beat AU it was beyond clear they were the better team and it was not a one off upset. They beat 13 teams with losing their bye week and having to deal with the hurricane. No to mention they had to beat the same top 25 team twice. Yes overall the SEC schedule it going to be harder but beating horrible teams like Tenn or FSU is supposed to carry a ton more weight than beating slightly lower ranked horrible teams?

May happen once a decade with just four teams but UCF got screwed intentionally and the CFP went out of its way to ensure they had no shot to make it in.
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(01-06-2018 03:51 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  It is going to be rare that I think a G5 team deserves to be one of the top four but this year was one of them. They flat out were better than AU and AU can play with anyone. So it is not that they just beat AU it was beyond clear they were the better team and it was not a one off upset. They beat 13 teams with losing their bye week and having to deal with the hurricane. No to mention they had to beat the same top 25 team twice. Yes overall the SEC schedule it going to be harder but beating horrible teams like Tenn or FSU is supposed to carry a ton more weight than beating slightly lower ranked horrible teams?

May happen once a decade with just four teams but UCF got screwed intentionally and the CFP went out of its way to ensure they had no shot to make it in.

How would you have felt about UCF in the final four before the win over Auburn? It really is perfect that they got to beat the one team that's beaten both of the championship game participants, but that's a pretty big data point that wasn't there at the time of the final rankings.
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