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RE: QB situation for teams that graduated their starting QB?
(01-02-2018 09:32 PM)Hemi Man Wrote:  Sawyer Smith or Kaleb Barker. Sawyer is more talented and he redshirted this year. We will look very different on offense next season. Nine months from yesterday we will know it more about our team.

The fact that there are a few options is a plus. Two have experience. One redshirted and saturated with playbook and tutelage...I'm ready to see Sawyer take the field after a year's hiatus...
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My concern is our fan base is putting way too much confidence in Brown. He played in a 4A league (highest in NC) and his team went 10-2 with a loss in the 1st round of the playoff. Yet they finished the year ranked 33rd in the state.
Steph has all the tools - size, arm strength & demeanor - and one would think the big boys would be kicking down his door early in the recruiting cycle. Yet he only had FCS offers at the time we offered. Guess the recruiting experts wiffed on him. Still, he did out perform several higher rated QB's in camp who signed with other programs, one to Temple and another So Miss. Hopefully Scott has found another diamond in the rough. The thing I really like about Brown is even though he had a scholarship from App, he paid his way to a QB camp late in the summer just to work with Satterfield going into his Sr season. He's certainly no prima donna.
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I'd be shocked if Brown doesn't redshirt with the talent we have at QB.
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(01-04-2018 09:41 AM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  
(01-04-2018 08:35 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 07:19 PM)panama Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 06:28 PM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 03:17 PM)panama Wrote:  Winchester could not beat out Manning and both Walker and Ellington are better than Manning. If Winchester enters another game it means catastrophe has struck.

agreed! Manning was a mediocre QB for 2 years and Winchester couldn't win the starting job. Some of our fanbase love Winchester but I don't understand it.
He's a good kid. Very involved on campus and many hoped he would become a dual threat QB

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I think he has a good skillset to be one, but didn't receive the coaching/development he needed.

I think Miles was blinded by 4-star Manning (I seem to recall someone posting a nuclear bomb gif when he transferred as well) but Manning was basically a bust under Miles as well. At least Elliott's staff was able to figure out a way to get some better level of production from him.

Winchester would have been a better QB for ya'll, especially to help the run game, if he had been coached up from the beginning. It may be too late at this point, but stranger things have happened.

Who knows. Maybe he could've been dangerous in a school with TO scheme because of his pure athleticism and lightening acceleration. Can't convert to WR because he can't catch. Not physical enough to play defense. He does have a strong arm but the accuracy isn't exactly pinpoint..but you don't need that in TO scheme.

Yes you do.

You want high passing efficiency which means a high completion rate. You don't get that by spraying balls everywhere.
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(01-04-2018 11:49 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  
(01-04-2018 09:41 AM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  
(01-04-2018 08:35 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 07:19 PM)panama Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 06:28 PM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  agreed! Manning was a mediocre QB for 2 years and Winchester couldn't win the starting job. Some of our fanbase love Winchester but I don't understand it.
He's a good kid. Very involved on campus and many hoped he would become a dual threat QB

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I think he has a good skillset to be one, but didn't receive the coaching/development he needed.

I think Miles was blinded by 4-star Manning (I seem to recall someone posting a nuclear bomb gif when he transferred as well) but Manning was basically a bust under Miles as well. At least Elliott's staff was able to figure out a way to get some better level of production from him.

Winchester would have been a better QB for ya'll, especially to help the run game, if he had been coached up from the beginning. It may be too late at this point, but stranger things have happened.

Who knows. Maybe he could've been dangerous in a school with TO scheme because of his pure athleticism and lightening acceleration. Can't convert to WR because he can't catch. Not physical enough to play defense. He does have a strong arm but the accuracy isn't exactly pinpoint..but you don't need that in TO scheme.

Yes you do.

You want high passing efficiency which means a high completion rate. You don't get that by spraying balls everywhere.

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(01-04-2018 11:49 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  
(01-04-2018 09:41 AM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  
(01-04-2018 08:35 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 07:19 PM)panama Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 06:28 PM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  agreed! Manning was a mediocre QB for 2 years and Winchester couldn't win the starting job. Some of our fanbase love Winchester but I don't understand it.
He's a good kid. Very involved on campus and many hoped he would become a dual threat QB

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I think he has a good skillset to be one, but didn't receive the coaching/development he needed.

I think Miles was blinded by 4-star Manning (I seem to recall someone posting a nuclear bomb gif when he transferred as well) but Manning was basically a bust under Miles as well. At least Elliott's staff was able to figure out a way to get some better level of production from him.

Winchester would have been a better QB for ya'll, especially to help the run game, if he had been coached up from the beginning. It may be too late at this point, but stranger things have happened.

Who knows. Maybe he could've been dangerous in a school with TO scheme because of his pure athleticism and lightening acceleration. Can't convert to WR because he can't catch. Not physical enough to play defense. He does have a strong arm but the accuracy isn't exactly pinpoint..but you don't need that in TO scheme.

Yes you do.

You want high passing efficiency which means a high completion rate. You don't get that by spraying balls everywhere.

not really because defenses are so focused on the run, WRs are covered in man coverage without safety help or left alone in space between the zones. As much respect I had for Ellison and Upshaw, they threw just about as well as Winchester.
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(01-04-2018 12:14 PM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  
(01-04-2018 11:49 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  
(01-04-2018 09:41 AM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  
(01-04-2018 08:35 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 07:19 PM)panama Wrote:  He's a good kid. Very involved on campus and many hoped he would become a dual threat QB

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I think he has a good skillset to be one, but didn't receive the coaching/development he needed.

I think Miles was blinded by 4-star Manning (I seem to recall someone posting a nuclear bomb gif when he transferred as well) but Manning was basically a bust under Miles as well. At least Elliott's staff was able to figure out a way to get some better level of production from him.

Winchester would have been a better QB for ya'll, especially to help the run game, if he had been coached up from the beginning. It may be too late at this point, but stranger things have happened.

Who knows. Maybe he could've been dangerous in a school with TO scheme because of his pure athleticism and lightening acceleration. Can't convert to WR because he can't catch. Not physical enough to play defense. He does have a strong arm but the accuracy isn't exactly pinpoint..but you don't need that in TO scheme.

Yes you do.

You want high passing efficiency which means a high completion rate. You don't get that by spraying balls everywhere.

not really because defenses are so focused on the run, WRs are covered in man coverage without safety help or left alone in space between the zones. As much respect I had for Ellison and Upshaw, they threw just about as well as Winchester.

Ellison played through pretty much his entire career with a bum throwing shoulder that he injured midway through 2013. He was a very accurate passer before that. He showed signs of it early in 2014 as well before reinjuring it. After that I'm not sure that Ruse was particularly special as a QB coach to get him to improve. However, Ellison was a master at reading option keys and athletic enough to compensate. Upshaw struggled with some of those aspects.

Accuracy is important, even in an option offense.
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(01-04-2018 12:19 PM)eaglewraith Wrote:  
(01-04-2018 12:14 PM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  
(01-04-2018 11:49 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  
(01-04-2018 09:41 AM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  
(01-04-2018 08:35 AM)eaglewraith Wrote:  I think he has a good skillset to be one, but didn't receive the coaching/development he needed.

I think Miles was blinded by 4-star Manning (I seem to recall someone posting a nuclear bomb gif when he transferred as well) but Manning was basically a bust under Miles as well. At least Elliott's staff was able to figure out a way to get some better level of production from him.

Winchester would have been a better QB for ya'll, especially to help the run game, if he had been coached up from the beginning. It may be too late at this point, but stranger things have happened.

Who knows. Maybe he could've been dangerous in a school with TO scheme because of his pure athleticism and lightening acceleration. Can't convert to WR because he can't catch. Not physical enough to play defense. He does have a strong arm but the accuracy isn't exactly pinpoint..but you don't need that in TO scheme.

Yes you do.

You want high passing efficiency which means a high completion rate. You don't get that by spraying balls everywhere.

not really because defenses are so focused on the run, WRs are covered in man coverage without safety help or left alone in space between the zones. As much respect I had for Ellison and Upshaw, they threw just about as well as Winchester.

Ellison played through pretty much his entire career with a bum throwing shoulder that he injured midway through 2013. He was a very accurate passer before that. He showed signs of it early in 2014 as well before reinjuring it. After that I'm not sure that Ruse was particularly special as a QB coach to get him to improve. However, Ellison was a master at reading option keys and athletic enough to compensate. Upshaw struggled with some of those aspects.

Accuracy is important, even in an option offense.

agree that above-average accuracy is necessary, but I never expected Michael Vick to throw accurately as Matt Ryan...not saying Vick played in option offense, but just using him as an example a duel-threat QB
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(01-04-2018 11:16 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  I'd be shocked if Brown doesn't redshirt with the talent we have at QB.
That would be the best route anyways imho, we have a kid who already knows the team and adds a little more athleticism then Lamb, save brown for a year so he can become fully integrated

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Well we will probably have a competition between Sophomore Willie Jones who played in spurts last year, RS freshmen Jaylen Gipson and Kishawn Kelley, and true freshman Tyler Vitt. Jones is an incredible athlete with a shotgun arm. Hopefully he gets way better as a passer.
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(01-04-2018 01:11 PM)Check Yosef Wrote:  
(01-04-2018 11:16 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  I'd be shocked if Brown doesn't redshirt with the talent we have at QB.
That would be the best route anyways imho, we have a kid who already knows the team and adds a little more athleticism then Lamb, save brown for a year so he can become fully integrated

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The good news is that Brown will be enrolled and on campus this month so he can benefit from spring practice. I would expect a redshirt but Satt has shown that he will play the best available option in most cases.
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(01-04-2018 01:11 PM)Check Yosef Wrote:  
(01-04-2018 11:16 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  I'd be shocked if Brown doesn't redshirt with the talent we have at QB.
That would be the best route anyways imho, we have a kid who already knows the team and adds a little more athleticism then Lamb, save brown for a year so he can become fully integrated

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The good news is that Brown will be enrolled and on campus this month so he can benefit from spring practice. I would expect a redshirt but Satt has shown that he will play the best available option in most cases.
He has, I just want to take it slower, dont want to see Brown do what Bryant did and just put the whole team on his back too much, get injured and never be the same

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Bryant?

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Believe that was Jamal Jackson
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(01-04-2018 08:23 AM)APPrising Wrote:  Cam Newton 2.0. New features include a positive attitude and good sportsmanship, features not included in Cam Newton 1.0.

You should try never talking about football again.

App's QB will probably be Thomas. Brown has great measurable and our fanbase is convinced he's the second coming, but we were the only FBS school that offered him. Thomas was offered by some of the best teams in the G5 and he can run which gives him a huge over advantage guys like Huesman and Derrick. Don't know about his arm strength, but you don't need to be able to bomb the ball 65 yards to run Satterfield's offense.
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(01-06-2018 06:21 PM)FidelCashflow18 Wrote:  
(01-04-2018 08:23 AM)APPrising Wrote:  Cam Newton 2.0. New features include a positive attitude and good sportsmanship, features not included in Cam Newton 1.0.

You should try never talking about football again.

App's QB will probably be Thomas. Brown has great measurable and our fanbase is convinced he's the second coming, but we were the only FBS school that offered him. Thomas was offered by some of the best teams in the G5 and he can run which gives him a huge over advantage guys like Huesman and Derrick. Don't know about his arm strength, but you don't need to be able to bomb the ball 65 yards to run Satterfield's offense.

Believe the truth about Brown lies somewhere in between. Hard to imagine he doesn’t wear the shirt this year. I don’t know why so many of our fans have no clue as to what we have in Thomas or even Huesman. With that in mind, if Brown is good enough to beat them out then we’re stacked.
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(01-06-2018 06:21 PM)FidelCashflow18 Wrote:  
(01-04-2018 08:23 AM)APPrising Wrote:  Cam Newton 2.0. New features include a positive attitude and good sportsmanship, features not included in Cam Newton 1.0.

You should try never talking about football again.

App's QB will probably be Thomas. Brown has great measurable and our fanbase is convinced he's the second coming, but we were the only FBS school that offered him. Thomas was offered by some of the best teams in the G5 and he can run which gives him a huge over advantage guys like Huesman and Derrick. Don't know about his arm strength, but you don't need to be able to bomb the ball 65 yards to run Satterfield's offense.

I'll wait to call who's gonna play what after the season of party-related stabbings, thefts, DUIs, personal problems such as sick parents, etc. and running over feet with lawnmowers is over. I am 100% sure App will have a person playing QB next season.
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(01-06-2018 06:21 PM)FidelCashflow18 Wrote:  
(01-04-2018 08:23 AM)APPrising Wrote:  Cam Newton 2.0. New features include a positive attitude and good sportsmanship, features not included in Cam Newton 1.0.

You should try never talking about football again.

App's QB will probably be Thomas. Brown has great measurable and our fanbase is convinced he's the second coming, but we were the only FBS school that offered him. Thomas was offered by some of the best teams in the G5 and he can run which gives him a huge over advantage guys like Huesman and Derrick. Don't know about his arm strength, but you don't need to be able to bomb the ball 65 yards to run Satterfield's offense.

Don't know that I'd write off Peyton Derrick just yet. He's a sleeper.
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(01-06-2018 06:21 PM)FidelCashflow18 Wrote:  
(01-04-2018 08:23 AM)APPrising Wrote:  Cam Newton 2.0. New features include a positive attitude and good sportsmanship, features not included in Cam Newton 1.0.

You should try never talking about football again.

App's QB will probably be Thomas. Brown has great measurable and our fanbase is convinced he's the second coming, but we were the only FBS school that offered him. Thomas was offered by some of the best teams in the G5 and he can run which gives him a huge over advantage guys like Huesman and Derrick. Don't know about his arm strength, but you don't need to be able to bomb the ball 65 yards to run Satterfield's offense.

You should try not to take everything so serious, Sally. Also, you could have left out the first sentence and kept the 2nd paragraph, gotten your point across and avoided being a dick. But you are who you are I guess.
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(01-06-2018 08:43 PM)trapdrawApp Wrote:  
(01-06-2018 06:21 PM)FidelCashflow18 Wrote:  
(01-04-2018 08:23 AM)APPrising Wrote:  Cam Newton 2.0. New features include a positive attitude and good sportsmanship, features not included in Cam Newton 1.0.

You should try never talking about football again.

App's QB will probably be Thomas. Brown has great measurable and our fanbase is convinced he's the second coming, but we were the only FBS school that offered him. Thomas was offered by some of the best teams in the G5 and he can run which gives him a huge over advantage guys like Huesman and Derrick. Don't know about his arm strength, but you don't need to be able to bomb the ball 65 yards to run Satterfield's offense.

I

Believe the truth about Brown lies somewhere in between. Hard to imagine he doesn’t wear the shirt this year. I don’t know why so many of our fans have no clue as to what we have in Thomas or even Huesman. With that in mind, if Brown is good enough to beat them out then we’re stacked.

It might be because we never got to see them in anything but the most garbage of garbage time this year. Satt kept Lamb in games long past necessary.
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