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(12-13-2017 11:17 AM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  Ya'll be patient. I found out we may have an alternative soon. Can't say what it is right now but I hope everyone will be happy.

Excited to hear this, but I'll miss Snoozy's for sure. I've spent a lot of money there over the years.

I will miss Snoozy’s as well.

Sad day! I will miss Snoozy's. I really hope we get some sort of alternative to the UAB Bookstore for UAB gear because the bookstore truly sucks.

It has been many years since I bought a textbook, but one of the cost factors back then (as well as perhaps today) was the state's insistence on textbook publishers (K-12 as well as colleges) dealing in Alabama through "textbook agents" (same as the old "liquor agents" who used to be the required middlemen for sales to ABC stores) who were well connected political pals of those in power in Montgomery. A guy named Malone used to be the agent for all textbooks sold at UA and west Alabama schools and made 6 figure annual income from them in the 60s..

This state has had liquor agents, textbook agents, asphalt agents (for road work) and others. All state contracts had to be run through these "agents" in order to do business with the various state departments or you need not apply.

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http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index...._at_u.html

Sounds like the land & building is worth more than the business. Otherwise, he could retire and still draw nice income.
Which suggests maybe the manager opens up a version in a lower rent spot without the name.

In general, the land around the area is very valuable.

(12-13-2017 08:10 PM)the_blazerman Wrote:  In general, the land around the area is very valuable.

The same appreciation of land value can happen to the land around Legion Field if the entire park was developed by UAB as a west campus. Right now the land there is about what the early 1970s value of what became UAB campus land was at that time. The city and UAB would probably benefit from such a use for that park land. Legion Field is about as much an obstacle to development as the Snoozy building will be when both are vacant.

If UAB's undergrad future is only a few decades, then 5 years advance planning might suffice. My opinion is that UAB can become a major national university in many fields of study for over 50,000 students so 50 years of planning is just a good start on what it can become. That is the kind of thinking and planning that Dr. Joe Volker had in mind for UAB.

(12-13-2017 09:45 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 08:10 PM)the_blazerman Wrote:  In general, the land around the area is very valuable.

The same appreciation of land value can happen to the land around Legion Field if the entire park was developed by UAB as a west campus. Right now the land there is about what the early 1970s value of what became UAB campus land was at that time. The city and UAB would probably benefit from such a use for that park land. Legion Field is about as much an obstacle to development as the Snoozy building will be when both are vacant.

If UAB's undergrad future is only a few decades, then 5 years advance planning might suffice. My opinion is that UAB can become a major national university in many fields of study for over 50,000 students so 50 years of planning is just a good start on what it can become. That is the kind of thinking and planning that Dr. Joe Volker had in mind for UAB.

That's not how development works, but even if it were, where is the money for this massive new west campus coming from? UAB doesn't own the land, the city isn't going to hand it over for free, and general contractors don't build buildings for free

(12-13-2017 10:31 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 09:45 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 08:10 PM)the_blazerman Wrote:  In general, the land around the area is very valuable.

The same appreciation of land value can happen to the land around Legion Field if the entire park was developed by UAB as a west campus. Right now the land there is about what the early 1970s value of what became UAB campus land was at that time. The city and UAB would probably benefit from such a use for that park land. Legion Field is about as much an obstacle to development as the Snoozy building will be when both are vacant.

If UAB's undergrad future is only a few decades, then 5 years advance planning might suffice. My opinion is that UAB can become a major national university in many fields of study for over 50,000 students so 50 years of planning is just a good start on what it can become. That is the kind of thinking and planning that Dr. Joe Volker had in mind for UAB.

That's not how development works, but even if it were, where is the money for this massive new west campus coming from? UAB doesn't own the land, the city isn't going to hand it over for free, and general contractors don't build buildings for free

Where did the money for the existing campus come from beginning in 1969? I don't believe any of UAB's present buildings were built for free by any contractor. As I suggested, UAB and the city might see the growth potential that would benefit BOTH so a good deal could be worked out for the whole park plus perhaps additional land between the two parcels. Someone apparently planned the past 50 years because there is a UAB campus today that will be 50 in 2019. What are the plans for the NEXT 50 years? The spirit of Joe Volker (who handed me my MA degree in 1972) might want to know.

(12-13-2017 10:47 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 10:31 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 09:45 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 08:10 PM)the_blazerman Wrote:  In general, the land around the area is very valuable.

The same appreciation of land value can happen to the land around Legion Field if the entire park was developed by UAB as a west campus. Right now the land there is about what the early 1970s value of what became UAB campus land was at that time. The city and UAB would probably benefit from such a use for that park land. Legion Field is about as much an obstacle to development as the Snoozy building will be when both are vacant.

If UAB's undergrad future is only a few decades, then 5 years advance planning might suffice. My opinion is that UAB can become a major national university in many fields of study for over 50,000 students so 50 years of planning is just a good start on what it can become. That is the kind of thinking and planning that Dr. Joe Volker had in mind for UAB.

That's not how development works, but even if it were, where is the money for this massive new west campus coming from? UAB doesn't own the land, the city isn't going to hand it over for free, and general contractors don't build buildings for free

Where did the money for the existing campus come from beginning in 1969? I don't believe any of UAB's buildings were built for free by any contractor. As I suggested, UAB and the city might see the growth potential that would benefit BOTH so a good deal could be worked out for the whole park plus perhaps additional land between the two parcels. Someone apparently planned the past 50 years because there is a UAB campus today that will be 50 in 2019. What are the plans for the NEXT 50 years? The spirit of Joe Volker might want to know.

Some of the buildings on UAB's campus when it was created as a separate campus were already there. Hillman Hospital dates back to 1887. Ullman was built in 1901. There were 70 years worth of pre-existing buildings. New buildings were built over the course of decades during a time which the US economy and more importantly government spending was growing. That time is over. The days of Richard Shelby directing $70 million to UAB for new buildings is in the past.

You keep talking about Joe Volker, but there was not a 50 year plan in place when he was named President of UAB, and he didn't try to do it all at once, and the world today is a totally different place than it was then. Of all the harebrained ideas you have, the ones you're putting forward in this thread take the cake.

Must....resist....urge....to....reply..............

(12-13-2017 11:07 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 10:47 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 10:31 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 09:45 PM)BAMANBLAZERFAN Wrote:  

(12-13-2017 08:10 PM)the_blazerman Wrote:  In general, the land around the area is very valuable.

The same appreciation of land value can happen to the land around Legion Field if the entire park was developed by UAB as a west campus. Right now the land there is about what the early 1970s value of what became UAB campus land was at that time. The city and UAB would probably benefit from such a use for that park land. Legion Field is about as much an obstacle to development as the Snoozy building will be when both are vacant.

If UAB's undergrad future is only a few decades, then 5 years advance planning might suffice. My opinion is that UAB can become a major national university in many fields of study for over 50,000 students so 50 years of planning is just a good start on what it can become. That is the kind of thinking and planning that Dr. Joe Volker had in mind for UAB.

That's not how development works, but even if it were, where is the money for this massive new west campus coming from? UAB doesn't own the land, the city isn't going to hand it over for free, and general contractors don't build buildings for free

Where did the money for the existing campus come from beginning in 1969? I don't believe any of UAB's buildings were built for free by any contractor. As I suggested, UAB and the city might see the growth potential that would benefit BOTH so a good deal could be worked out for the whole park plus perhaps additional land between the two parcels. Someone apparently planned the past 50 years because there is a UAB campus today that will be 50 in 2019. What are the plans for the NEXT 50 years? The spirit of Joe Volker might want to know.

Some of the buildings on UAB's campus when it was created as a separate campus were already there. Hillman Hospital dates back to 1887. Ullman was built in 1901. There were 70 years worth of pre-existing buildings. New buildings were built over the course of decades during a time which the US economy and more importantly government spending was growing. That time is over. The days of Richard Shelby directing $70 million to UAB for new buildings is in the past.

You keep talking about Joe Volker, but there was not a 50 year plan in place when he was named President of UAB, and he didn't try to do it all at once, and the world today is a totally different place than it was then. Of all the harebrained ideas you have, the ones you're putting forward in this thread take the cake.

In 1972 when I received my MA degree, the entire UAB undergrad campus consisted of Tidwell Hall facing 20th street and Cudworth Hall (Engineering and Business school) facing 8th Ave North. Tidwell was demolished to make space for a new building, and all the rest of the undergrad campus has been built toward the west since then. The whole UAB Library in 1972 was in one room on the south end of Tidwell Hall's 2nd floor. The VISION of leaders like Joe Volker, Dick Hill and others made today's UAB possible. Just like when the Rick Woodward Estate was donated to UAB for a President's Mansion. Dr Volker hosted a reception there for graduates in 1972.

Yes, i know the UA Medical School was moved to B'ham from Tuscaloosa in the 40s and more than a few buildings were added to the medical school as well. A couple are named for doctors (Lyons and Harrison) who diagnosed and operated on me in 1957. Jefferson (now University) Hospital was built as a PWA New Deal project for "Whites" and Hillman was the "Negro" Hospital until the 70s. Ullman was a white elementary school my father attended from 1909 to 1917 before he went to Paul Hayne HS during WWI. His family lived at 1313 13th Ave South and my mother lived on Cullom Street. Ullman was closed until near WWII when it was reopened as a second Negro HS.

If my vision of the future for UAB is "harebrained" as you say, then what is your vision for UAB in its place? So times change? Alabama is today run by a political party whose Chief of Staff Marty Conners announced in Bob Riley's first year that the "Alabama Republican Party is declaring war on AEA" (and by extension all educators who are its members). They have kept their word by cutting per pupil funding by the most dollars of any state in America. The SETF budget for 2017-18 (the largest in recent years) is still $500 million less than in 2007-08. The financial challenge to undergrad UAB which must share the part of the 30% of that budget with what UAH and UA get (as divided by the BOT) is going to be difficult. What more realistic vision should UAB have for its future?

There it is. Mark Cudworth hall and per pupil funding off your Bingo cards.

If anything, development would eventually head more towards the north side instead of anywhere close to Legion Field.

& for reference, JSU has a bookstore on campus & no competing "Snoozy's".

They do however have tons of merchandise in local stores like Walmart.

(12-14-2017 12:30 AM)BatesUAB Wrote:  Must....resist....urge....to....reply..............

Do it

(12-14-2017 07:31 AM)the_blazerman Wrote:  If anything, development would eventually head more towards the north side instead of anywhere close to Legion Field.

This is the plan, in addition to creating more density in the existing campus footprint.

UABCrazy‏ @JustinForUAB 17h17 hours ago

Snoozys update: my wife just got done shopping. A worker stated he hoped to have Snoozy type store opened by next fall. Be on the lookout for an announcement. Until then buy buy buy from Snoozys.

I ordered a ton of stuff yesterday. Already have a delivery notification.


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