(03-16-2018 10:29 PM)Rocco Wrote:  

(03-16-2018 10:26 PM)TribeInTheBurg Wrote:  Fire Tony Bennett.

...can W&M bring him in as their defensive coordinator?

Just keep him away from the offense.

(03-16-2018 10:45 PM)Tribeheart Wrote:  Now being classified as the greatest upset in the history of all sports. UVA will bear this cross into oblivion.

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I do not think that even we diehard Tribe fans can fully appreciate this level of embarrassment!!

That sound you hear is the UMBC bookstore making it rain by selling merchandise for the next fifty years! Wear the L UVA for EVER and EVER and EVER! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! OH THE HUMANITY! #defensewinschampionships

Bennett a class, class act in postgame interview. He's certainly got his life perspective in order. Hat's off to him.

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I think the announcer said that Lyles transferred from VCU. After the season they had this year, you know that they would love to have him back! (So, he sticks it to both UVa and VCU at the same time).

Lyles is a 5th year player, so, he would have been gone from VCU before this year. He chose to stay at UMBC this year rather than take a grad transfer because of a close relationship he developed with their president. Think that decision paid off.

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(03-16-2018 10:51 PM)Tribeheart Wrote:  Bennett a class, class act in postgame interview. He's certainly got his life perspective in order. Hat's off to him.

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+1000

Yeah, Bennett is a class act and Ryan Odom is a former player under Tony Shaver. I believe he played for Shaver at H.S. in the 90’s. I’d also guess Odom might have some coaching options after this run.

I think it’s cool to see Shaver’s coaching tree grow.

Congrats to all!

Everyone will remember UMBC's win for years, even decades. Long before they joined the CAA I have had positive vibes about College of Charleston. It all stems from ONE Cinderella win they had in the tourney in the late '90s, and yet decades later I still remember it. Similarly, I remember Bryce Drew and Valpo, and Murray State from the '80s-'90s, and Montana even earlier, and of course Richmond in the '80s and GMU and VCU. So the point is that fans remember this stuff and now UMBC will always be remembered for this monumental win. Congratulations to them!

UMBC was one of the two 16 seeds who did not play in the First Four, thus giving them that extra two days to prepare (woo hoo!) and not having to travel. Prediction: in the next year or two, the NCAA will change the format and the First Four will consist of 8 bottom feeder leagues all competing to be the 4 teams with 16 seeds. Besides ensuring that more power teams automatically move on without playing in the 11 seed First Four games, it would also make quadruply sure that an upset like this never happens again. (The only reason I can think of for them not to do it is because maybe the TV ratings are higher for those 11 seed games. Maybe they think no one will watch (or buy tickets) for only 16 seed teams. But the day WILL come when all or most of the low and mid majors will be playing in play-in games before the big boys even suit up.)

P.S. Edit -- I just came across this article about past memorable upsets against the point spread:

http://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/188...4-team-era

UVA will never live this down...it is etched forever in the exclusive pantheon of great upsets and will remain forever as UVA's legacy in sports.

Didn't UVa lose a player just before the NCAAT? I'm sure that disrupted things a bit ... just like Purdue took a hit yesterday with the Haas injury.

As my (fill in the blank) used to say, moderation is fine. UVa and Tribe were polar opposites.

Finally, the good part, what do Chaminade and UMBC have in common?

:-)

(03-17-2018 06:40 AM)nj alum Wrote:  Didn't UVa lose a player just before the NCAAT? I'm sure that disrupted things a bit ... just like Purdue took a hit yesterday with the Haas injury.

As my (fill in the blank) used to say, moderation is fine. UVa and Tribe were polar opposites.

Finally, the good part, what do Chaminade and UMBC have in common?

:-)

They did lose a player. Believe his name was DeAndre Hunter. But there isn’t an excuse for getting blown out like that. One player didn’t get you the #1 seed.

My understanding of the injured player was that he was the most athletic player on the team. They probably could have used him last night.

Interestingly, that injury news came out after the seeds were announced.

Also, Kyle Guy was recruited by Purdue, and the Purdue boards inferred that Guy was playing banged up last night. Internet research indicates he banged his knee a few weeks ago.

So, congrats to UMBC, but the Cavs may have been ripe for picking last night.

D'Andre Hunter is the most athletic player on UVA, so he was missed, but as others have said, that doesn't make up for 20 points. It did not help that two starters got into early foul trouble and UVA, which has almost as short a bench as we did, had to use combos that were not familiar, or as comfortable, with playing together.
Guy has, reportedly, a torn MCL. He played with a brace on in the first game of the ACC Tourney, but removed it after that game. He was not as mobile as usual.

The game plan for beating the Pack-Line has always been to have really good outside shooters (because that is the shot they want you to take and thus guard it loosely), and to have a quick point guard that doesn't fall into their traps (they'll let you think the lane is open, sort of to let you drive in and then eat you up like a Venus Fly-Trap). UMBC actually looked like they were attacking across the lane, instead of down it, looking for an open wing or a cutter to the basket as the point guard was moving in the other direction. It was, in fact, great fun to watch as I had no problem seeing David whirling through the UVA defense and hitting Justin to do his best Lyles imitation.

Congrats to UMBC.


Nice symmetry for UVA. They can now claim the worst in-season loss by a #1 Team AND the worst Tournament loss by a #1 Team. Just feels right.

So UMBC decides to work on defense and as a result makes the tourney and makes history. Huh.

(03-17-2018 08:54 AM)Rocco Wrote:  So UMBC decides to work on defense and as a result makes the tourney and makes history. Huh.

Or, UVA works on defense all the time, gets lauded for their defense, and then becomes the first number 1 seed to lose to a 16. Maybe they should have spent some more time practicing shooting!

I have been through this wish the Tribe could only play a little defense before.

Remember the Air Laycock teams of the late '80s and early 90s. We had teams that set records for scoring and yardage gained and could barley manage a winning record some years, remember that '91 team.

Well, I used to ***** about lack of defense on the football team. Now what do we have, at team that can play defense but can't score.

I am not going to make the same mistake with Tribe hoops. I'll take them just the way they are and accept that as we get a little more athletic and have a deeper bench, the defense will improve marginally. We will score a lot and so will the other team, we just have to score more then they do.

Go Tribe!

(03-17-2018 08:47 AM)billymac Wrote:  D'Andre Hunter is the most athletic player on UVA, so he was missed, but as others have said, that doesn't make up for 20 points. It did not help that two starters got into early foul trouble and UVA, which has almost as short a bench as we did, had to use combos that were not familiar, or as comfortable, with playing together.
Guy has, reportedly, a torn MCL. He played with a brace on in the first game of the ACC Tourney, but removed it after that game. He was not as mobile as usual.

The game plan for beating the Pack-Line has always been to have really good outside shooters (because that is the shot they want you to take and thus guard it loosely), and to have a quick point guard that doesn't fall into their traps (they'll let you think the lane is open, sort of to let you drive in and then eat you up like a Venus Fly-Trap). UMBC actually looked like they were attacking across the lane, instead of down it, looking for an open wing or a cutter to the basket as the point guard was moving in the other direction. It was, in fact, great fun to watch as I had no problem seeing David whirling through the UVA defense and hitting Justin to do his best Lyles imitation.

Congrats to UMBC.


Nice symmetry for UVA. They can now claim the worst in-season loss by a #1 Team AND the worst Tournament loss by a #1 Team. Just feels right.

Not a good morning for UVa fans. Dropped son at baseball this am, another Dad (a UVa guy) did not even get out of the car (no, it was not a Range Rover), then I stopped for gas on the way home, car beside me festooned with UVa decals, sad faces, and no looks/eye contact with others.

(03-17-2018 09:31 AM)NC Tribe Wrote:  

(03-17-2018 08:54 AM)Rocco Wrote:  So UMBC decides to work on defense and as a result makes the tourney and makes history. Huh.

Or, UVA works on defense all the time, gets lauded for their defense, and then becomes the first number 1 seed to lose to a 16. Maybe they should have spent some more time practicing shooting!

I have been through this wish the Tribe could only play a little defense before.

Remember the Air Laycock teams of the late '80s and early 90s. We had teams that set records for scoring and yardage gained and could barley manage a winning record some years, remember that '91 team.

Well, I used to ***** about lack of defense on the football team. Now what do we have, at team that can play defense but can't score.

I am not going to make the same mistake with Tribe hoops. I'll take them just the way they are and accept that as we get a little more athletic and have a deeper bench, the defense will improve marginally. We will score a lot and so will the other team, we just have to score more then they do.

Go Tribe!

It's almost like you can't be completely one-sided to succeed. You need a baseline level of competence on both sides of the ball/court/field.

Nice little sidebar to this story. Jarius Lyles parents both graduated from UVA. His father, Lester, played football for the Cavaliers and went on to have a career in the NFL, playing cornerback/safety for the New York Jets, Arizona Cardinals and the Chargers.

And the recent comments on this thread clearly show why long term damage is being caused to college athletics when in-state rivals don’t play each other because of the NCAA caste system.