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RE: UMKC Expected to Leave WAC, Rejoin Summit
MPSF doesn't have Tennis. It'd only be WAC schools, so why bother? They can just play an 8 game double round robin schedule, or play more regional tourneys. There are other options, as many conferences are light on schools, especially the men's side. Most likely the schools will scatter and find homes, or if they were only sponsoring the sport to support the WAC in the first place they'll drop it.

For the record, I put a UMKC move as a 3 on a scale of 10 for likelihood of happening. It would be a 1 or a 2 in most conferences, but this is the WAC. That just means it's worth keeping an eye on, but until something a lot more solid is out there, it's just chatter.
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RE: UMKC Expected to Leave WAC, Rejoin Summit
(11-02-2017 02:25 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  MPSF doesn't have Tennis. It'd only be WAC schools, so why bother? They can just play an 8 game double round robin schedule, or play more regional tourneys. There are other options, as many conferences are light on schools, especially the men's side. Most likely the schools will scatter and find homes, or if they were only sponsoring the sport to support the WAC in the first place they'll drop it.

For the record, I put a UMKC move as a 3 on a scale of 10 for likelihood of happening. It would be a 1 or a 2 in most conferences, but this is the WAC. That just means it's worth keeping an eye on, but until something a lot more solid is out there, it's just chatter.

They if there are enough teams. Just because they don't sponsor it now doesn't mean they can't with enough teams.
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But again why bother? If a 6th can be found, why not just invite them to the WAC?

The entire world of "orphan" Tennis programs are these:

Drake, Valparaiso, Illinois State Men play in the Summit (MVC doesn't sponsor)
Binghamton Men play in the MAC (AEC doesn't sponsor)
Binghamton Women are Independent

The most sensible thing is to invite Binghamton's women to the conference tournament, and let the men scatter until another school either starts the sport or another school moves up from D-II.
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RE: UMKC Expected to Leave WAC, Rejoin Summit
I looked up the UMKC situation.

First, here is a summary of final report from the task force to the academic senate
http://info.umkc.edu/unews/athletic-task...es-report/

The report itself is here: report

They cite a 30% jump in travel costs since joining the WAC. "The “extraordinarily high travel cost” stemming from the WAC conference, which has increased by 30 percent since 2013, also contributes to the deficit."

Actually the biggest focus is on whether they should stay in D-I or drop down to D-II or D-III (they are unanimous about staying in the NCAA). "The voting Task Force Members unanimously recommended UMKC should remain in NCAA Division I only if that can be reasonably accomplished: ... "

Italic is in the report.

They are awaiting another external study and as for realignment, the summary says this:
"The second question addressed in the report, whether UMKC should remain in NCAA Division I or consider switching conferences or dropping divisions, did not result in a definitive recommendation."

The report itself has one bullet item which says:
"The voting Task Force Members unanimously recommend that when considering Division I conferences that might allow continued Division I status for UMKC within the above-described recommend (sic) conditions (if such conditional recommendation were followed by UMKC institutional leadership), UMKC should: (a) identify and explore possibilities to enter a Division I conference that includes some natural or other profile-raising rivalries and geographic proximities that would work well in terms of containing travel costs for UMKC teams and boosting UMKC ticket sale revenues, and (b) also identify and explore the potential for strategic partnerships and/or public/private alliances with local teams, athletic goods suppliers, etc. in order to determine if synergies with these groups would enable good alignment with a specific conference that meets the criteria in (a).

Note: laughed at the dig about the "institutional leadership."

Anyway my take is the task force had 10 members who believed D-I has not produced benefits anywhere near what would justify the cost, while 3 members worry about ever being able to get back in D-I if the drop to D-II or D-III, so are banking on the external study to support their more pro D-I stance. All agree (reading between the lines) the WAC isn't doing it and geographic proximity and lack of rivals (cough, Denver and Omaha) is a big issue. There is a general tone, betrayed by digs here and there, of not trusting the President and AD to act intelligently and actually make an effort to follow the guidelines suggested -- as if there is suspicion their work will be ignored or tossed to the side.

But in no way does this look to me like the school is anywhere near making a move to the Summit or any move. There is another study still out there and follow up. This could be the start of a move by Spring, but doesn't sound like it has happened or is about to happen shortly.
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RE: UMKC Expected to Leave WAC, Rejoin Summit
(11-04-2017 04:43 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  I looked up the UMKC situation.

First, here is a summary of final report from the task force to the academic senate
http://info.umkc.edu/unews/athletic-task...es-report/

The report itself is here: report

They cite a 30% jump in travel costs since joining the WAC. "The “extraordinarily high travel cost” stemming from the WAC conference, which has increased by 30 percent since 2013, also contributes to the deficit."

Actually the biggest focus is on whether they should stay in D-I or drop down to D-II or D-III (they are unanimous about staying in the NCAA). "The voting Task Force Members unanimously recommended UMKC should remain in NCAA Division I only if that can be reasonably accomplished: ... "

Italic is in the report.

They are awaiting another external study and as for realignment, the summary says this:
"The second question addressed in the report, whether UMKC should remain in NCAA Division I or consider switching conferences or dropping divisions, did not result in a definitive recommendation."

The report itself has one bullet item which says:
"The voting Task Force Members unanimously recommend that when considering Division I conferences that might allow continued Division I status for UMKC within the above-described recommend (sic) conditions (if such conditional recommendation were followed by UMKC institutional leadership), UMKC should: (a) identify and explore possibilities to enter a Division I conference that includes some natural or other profile-raising rivalries and geographic proximities that would work well in terms of containing travel costs for UMKC teams and boosting UMKC ticket sale revenues, and (b) also identify and explore the potential for strategic partnerships and/or public/private alliances with local teams, athletic goods suppliers, etc. in order to determine if synergies with these groups would enable good alignment with a specific conference that meets the criteria in (a).

Note: laughed at the dig about the "institutional leadership."

Anyway my take is the task force had 10 members who believed D-I has not produced benefits anywhere near what would justify the cost, while 3 members worry about ever being able to get back in D-I if the drop to D-II or D-III, so are banking on the external study to support their more pro D-I stance. All agree (reading between the lines) the WAC isn't doing it and geographic proximity and lack of rivals (cough, Denver and Omaha) is a big issue. There is a general tone, betrayed by digs here and there, of not trusting the President and AD to act intelligently and actually make an effort to follow the guidelines suggested -- as if there is suspicion their work will be ignored or tossed to the side.

But in no way does this look to me like the school is anywhere near making a move to the Summit or any move. There is another study still out there and follow up. This could be the start of a move by Spring, but doesn't sound like it has happened or is about to happen shortly.

Denver, Omaha, but the big one is ORU. Remember that when UMKC chose to move ORU were leaving for the SLC. That didn't last long. At one point ORU and UMKC had a solid "rivalry". Oakland and Valpo stole that thunder from UMKC mostly due to OU, ORU and Valpo being at the top of the old MidCon in BB. UMKC has no natural rival in the WAC and won't anytime soon. I would expect that if they stay D1 and can get an invite back to the Summit they will move. The only other option is the MVC (not going to happen) or trying to get into the SLC (not going to happen). In two years my guess is that UND and UMKC will both be in the Summit, IPFW will not and the WAC will be a Western based league with a solid geographic footprint.
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RE: UMKC Expected to Leave WAC, Rejoin Summit
(11-07-2017 01:50 PM)jacksfan29 Wrote:  
(11-04-2017 04:43 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  I looked up the UMKC situation.

First, here is a summary of final report from the task force to the academic senate
http://info.umkc.edu/unews/athletic-task...es-report/

The report itself is here: report

They cite a 30% jump in travel costs since joining the WAC. "The “extraordinarily high travel cost” stemming from the WAC conference, which has increased by 30 percent since 2013, also contributes to the deficit."

Actually the biggest focus is on whether they should stay in D-I or drop down to D-II or D-III (they are unanimous about staying in the NCAA). "The voting Task Force Members unanimously recommended UMKC should remain in NCAA Division I only if that can be reasonably accomplished: ... "

Italic is in the report.

They are awaiting another external study and as for realignment, the summary says this:
"The second question addressed in the report, whether UMKC should remain in NCAA Division I or consider switching conferences or dropping divisions, did not result in a definitive recommendation."

The report itself has one bullet item which says:
"The voting Task Force Members unanimously recommend that when considering Division I conferences that might allow continued Division I status for UMKC within the above-described recommend (sic) conditions (if such conditional recommendation were followed by UMKC institutional leadership), UMKC should: (a) identify and explore possibilities to enter a Division I conference that includes some natural or other profile-raising rivalries and geographic proximities that would work well in terms of containing travel costs for UMKC teams and boosting UMKC ticket sale revenues, and (b) also identify and explore the potential for strategic partnerships and/or public/private alliances with local teams, athletic goods suppliers, etc. in order to determine if synergies with these groups would enable good alignment with a specific conference that meets the criteria in (a).

Note: laughed at the dig about the "institutional leadership."

Anyway my take is the task force had 10 members who believed D-I has not produced benefits anywhere near what would justify the cost, while 3 members worry about ever being able to get back in D-I if the drop to D-II or D-III, so are banking on the external study to support their more pro D-I stance. All agree (reading between the lines) the WAC isn't doing it and geographic proximity and lack of rivals (cough, Denver and Omaha) is a big issue. There is a general tone, betrayed by digs here and there, of not trusting the President and AD to act intelligently and actually make an effort to follow the guidelines suggested -- as if there is suspicion their work will be ignored or tossed to the side.

But in no way does this look to me like the school is anywhere near making a move to the Summit or any move. There is another study still out there and follow up. This could be the start of a move by Spring, but doesn't sound like it has happened or is about to happen shortly.

Denver, Omaha, but the big one is ORU. Remember that when UMKC chose to move ORU were leaving for the SLC. That didn't last long. At one point ORU and UMKC had a solid "rivalry". Oakland and Valpo stole that thunder from UMKC mostly due to OU, ORU and Valpo being at the top of the old MidCon in BB. UMKC has no natural rival in the WAC and won't anytime soon. I would expect that if they stay D1 and can get an invite back to the Summit they will move. The only other option is the MVC (not going to happen) or trying to get into the SLC (not going to happen). In two years my guess is that UND and UMKC will both be in the Summit, IPFW will not and the WAC will be a Western based league with a solid geographic footprint.

I like how the report seems to imply that UMKC could very easily find a conference that meets their criteria and just move to it if they want. As if they hold all the keys and can make it so. Plus has anyone found anything from the Summit saying they want UMKC or would take them back? I think this is all just chatter and I don't see anything happening for a few years if anything happens at all.
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RE: UMKC Expected to Leave WAC, Rejoin Summit
The Summit would take them back. I don't think that is a problem.

North Dakota joins the Summit next year (2018-19). Their Football will remain in the Big Sky for two years (2018 and 2019).

I don't know that PFW is going anywhere. They don't give the Horizon anything (Baseball is not a driver), as they already have an Indianapolis school, actually in Indianapolis, that fits their urban pattern. They might be looking for a replacement if they lose Milwaukee. And I'd keep an eye on that. All the talk in the MVC preseason by the coaches was the need to expand to have 20 games.
Quote:"Every coach in our league is in agreement and we know where this is headed. We have to expand," said Southern Illinois coach Barry Hinson. "We have to go to 20 conference games. "I don't know who that is. I don't know who the best fit is. I'm excited about Valpo in our league. I think they add to our league. It was a great decision by our conference, but I think you need to add two more teams."
Sentiments along those lines were echoed by
Illinois State coach Dan Muller
Indiana State coach Greg Lansing
Missouri State coach Paul Lusk

Commissioner Elgin has a different take, 'a 20-game schedule alone is no reason to expand.' (paraphrased from article)
Quote:“What this tells us is we need to schedule more games against schools like Middle Tennessee or Oakland, teams that are emerging as potential at-large teams. We need each other,” Elgin added. “We need to play teams like St. Mary’s or teams out of the Atlantic 10. They probably can’t get games either. We have to get our best teams to play against teams in peer conferences.”
Valpo and UNI coaches concur.

The MVC is looking at schools for expansion. My take on Elgin's words is they need to be a strong program (cough, Belmont, Texas-Arlington) or else it's not worth it. Milwaukee and Murray State seem to be seen more as in the running for a 12th school -- I suspect Murray is ahead based on comments from the MVFC commissioner about her willingness to split into to divisions if they expand (Murray has FB, Milwaukee doesn't).

I think the Horizon is under the same conceptual idea, a school added has to bring something, not just fit the geography. But who knows, the IUPUI move was strictly about geography.
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RE: UMKC Expected to Leave WAC, Rejoin Summit
if umkc returns to the summit...chicago state goes elsewhere (summit or d2)...utrgv starts football and goes to the southland conference...

plus with the addition of cal baptist...

then perhaps ucsd can be convinced to join the wac...being denied by the big west...with a better travel arrangement with a more western emphasis...

maybe ucsd can convince some friends from the CA Collegiate Athletic Assoc. like San Franscisco St. and/or Cal Poly-Pomona and/or Cal State-Los Angeles to come with them to the wac...they could reconstitute the wac as a western based conference...

it seems that things may be aligning for ucsd to be more open to joining the wac...depends on how desperate ucsd is to go to d1...if ucsd can get over themselves...not be so hung up on the big west...and join the wac for now...things could possibly work out in the long run...but a few things need to fall into place before that can happen...

just a thought...
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(11-16-2017 02:22 AM)joeben69 Wrote:  ...utrgv starts football and goes to the southland conference...

Seriously guys, this is not going to happen unless some donor makes an eight digit donation specifically dedicated to starting a football team.

The new med school is stressing our finances way more than expected. We took a hit in graduate enrollment that isn't life-threatening but needs to be addressed through more assistantships. Students are getting uppity about a proposed tuition and fee increase. TAMU is opening a competing branch campus four miles away from us and cherry picking the best students out of our feeder high schools by outbidding us on financial aid packages. The state system level administration will want us to focus on those problems and I don't think they'd let Bailey move money to football even if he was that irresponsible, which I don't think he is.
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(11-16-2017 07:57 AM)edinburger Wrote:  
(11-16-2017 02:22 AM)joeben69 Wrote:  ...utrgv starts football and goes to the southland conference...

Seriously guys, this is not going to happen unless some donor makes an eight digit donation specifically dedicated to starting a football team.

The new med school is stressing our finances way more than expected. We took a hit in graduate enrollment that isn't life-threatening but needs to be addressed through more assistantships. Students are getting uppity about a proposed tuition and fee increase. TAMU is opening a competing branch campus four miles away from us and cherry picking the best students out of our feeder high schools by outbidding us on financial aid packages. The state system level administration will want us to focus on those problems and I don't think they'd let Bailey move money to football even if he was that irresponsible, which I don't think he is.

It's so easy to spend someone else's money, isn't it? At least that's what I think to myself anytime some one is like, "GCU needs to start football. They can afford it!"

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Sounds like the WAC needs to up the timeline on APU.

Also UCSD is BW or bust...and it's looking like bust.
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(11-20-2017 03:15 AM)SDHornet Wrote:  Sounds like the WAC needs to up the timeline on APU.

Also UCSD is BW or bust...and it's looking like bust.

if ucsd to the big west is a bust then i would advocate that the wac would be a plan b...the wac would take ucsd in a heartbeat...ucsd can go d1 with the wac while it transitions...

in addition to apu...maybe the wac can invite more CA schools from the CA Collegiate Athletic Assoc. like San Franscisco St. and/or Cal Poly-Pomona and/or Cal State-Los Angeles to come to the wac with ucsd...the wac could form into a more western based conference...
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(11-20-2017 10:33 PM)joeben69 Wrote:  
(11-20-2017 03:15 AM)SDHornet Wrote:  Sounds like the WAC needs to up the timeline on APU.

Also UCSD is BW or bust...and it's looking like bust.

if ucsd to the big west is a bust then i would advocate that the wac would be a plan b...the wac would take ucsd in a heartbeat...ucsd can go d1 with the wac while it transitions...

in addition to apu...maybe the wac can invite more CA schools from the CA Collegiate Athletic Assoc. like San Franscisco St. and/or Cal Poly-Pomona and/or Cal State-Los Angeles to come to the wac with ucsd...the wac could form into a more western based conference...
There have been other threads that clarified the UCSD D1 student referendum as being BW specific, meaning the WAC is not an option as a D1 home.

Also it would be stupid of the WAC to house UCSD during its D1 transition only to see them bail for another conference. The WAC is no longer in a desperate enough situation where they have to let themselves get used by a program that is just passing through town all in the hope of just staying alive.

Lastly I doubt any of those public CA D2's have any D1 ambition, but I don't follow that closely so I could be wrong.
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Dude the WAC will certainly be in a desperate situation when UMKC and Chicago State bail. Having 7 members is not a good situation. In fact it's terrible. NMSU and GCU will look to bail if that happens.
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(11-21-2017 02:40 AM)Clarity Wrote:  Dude the WAC will certainly be in a desperate situation when UMKC and Chicago State bail. Having 7 members is not a good situation. In fact it's terrible. NMSU and GCU will look to bail if that happens.

WAC will be fine, just means an invite would have to go out to APU immediately following the announced departure of either/both of those schools.

Here is the run down:

NMSU - Not going anywhere until the FB situation gets settled...it won't get settled until the P4 TV contracts are up for renegotiation/renewal in about 5-6 years. Even then they need massive realignment/regionalization to occur to find a FB home.

GCU - For profit private Christian school...yeah not going anywhere.

Bako - Wants/wanted BW, BW doesn't want them. Not going anywhere.

Seattle - Same as Bake except swap for WCC. Would only be a flight risk if Gonzaga ever left the WCC which probably never happens now that TV payouts have jumped the shark.

UVU - Nobody wants them so they arent going anywhere. In BSC footprint but isn't a good sports mix for the BSC (no MSoc, no Baseball).

UTRGV - Not a flight risk, don't have FB (and never will) so the Southland (best regional fit for their athletic profile) isn't interested.

Cal Baptist - In transition from D2, private institution that could theoretically fit the WCC profile...so maybe they become a flight risk in 80 years or so.

Azusa Pacific - Same as Cal Baptist as they were/are rivals with CBU. Can make FB non-scholarship and park it in the Pioneer League. Would be a perfect travel partner for CBU and adds additional exposure (recruiting) in SoCal.



Not sure of any other D2 targets but if there are any non-FB in Texas considering moving up (a TA&M available?) they should be on the list after APU to shore up the UTRGV/NMSU side of the map.

The WAC is like a cockroach in a nuclear holocaust...they'll be just fine...
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(11-21-2017 02:36 AM)SDHornet Wrote:  
(11-20-2017 10:33 PM)joeben69 Wrote:  
(11-20-2017 03:15 AM)SDHornet Wrote:  Sounds like the WAC needs to up the timeline on APU.

Also UCSD is BW or bust...and it's looking like bust.

if ucsd to the big west is a bust then i would advocate that the wac would be a plan b...the wac would take ucsd in a heartbeat...ucsd can go d1 with the wac while it transitions...

in addition to apu...maybe the wac can invite more CA schools from the CA Collegiate Athletic Assoc. like San Franscisco St. and/or Cal Poly-Pomona and/or Cal State-Los Angeles to come to the wac with ucsd...the wac could form into a more western based conference...
There have been other threads that clarified the UCSD D1 student referendum as being BW specific, meaning the WAC is not an option as a D1 home.

Also it would be stupid of the WAC to house UCSD during its D1 transition only to see them bail for another conference. The WAC is no longer in a desperate enough situation where they have to let themselves get used by a program that is just passing through town all in the hope of just staying alive.

Lastly I doubt any of those public CA D2's have any D1 ambition, but I don't follow that closely so I could be wrong.

UCSD could push for Sacramento State to go with them to the Big West in case of the other CA d2 schools don't want to go d1...if that doesn't work...more likely the Big Sky would try to block it...then UCSD can go back to and get a d1 referendum for the wac...

the WAC would take UCSD during its D1 transition...WAC schools have bailed to other conferences when they had a chance in the past...there has already been a precedence set for that...

there is security in numbers...it probably be a long while after if UCSD gets into the WAC before it can get into the Big West anyways...Bako to the Big West is a good example...Seattle to the WCC is another example...
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(11-21-2017 05:03 PM)joeben69 Wrote:  UCSD could push for Sacramento State to go with them to the Big West in case of the other CA d2 schools don't want to go d1...if that doesn't work...more likely the Big Sky would try to block it...then UCSD can go back to and get a d1 referendum for that wac...

the WAC would take UCSD during its D1 transition...WAC schools have bailed to other conferences when they had a chance in the past...there has already been a precedence set for that...

there is security in numbers...it probably be a long while after if UCSD gets into the WAC before it can get into the Big West anyways...Bako to the Big West is a good example...Seattle to the WCC is another example...

I would love for Sac State to get out of he BSC, but it won't happen without a home for FB.

UCSD-BW is different than Bako-BW. UCSD already passes the academics sniff test from the BW membership, Bako didn't (at least that was one of the reasons given for their denial) so Bako really isn't a flight risk.
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(11-22-2017 02:54 AM)SDHornet Wrote:  
(11-21-2017 05:03 PM)joeben69 Wrote:  UCSD could push for Sacramento State to go with them to the Big West in case of the other CA d2 schools don't want to go d1...if that doesn't work...more likely the Big Sky would try to block it...then UCSD can go back to and get a d1 referendum for that wac...

the WAC would take UCSD during its D1 transition...WAC schools have bailed to other conferences when they had a chance in the past...there has already been a precedence set for that...

there is security in numbers...it probably be a long while after if UCSD gets into the WAC before it can get into the Big West anyways...Bako to the Big West is a good example...Seattle to the WCC is another example...

I would love for Sac State to get out of he BSC, but it won't happen without a home for FB.

UCSD-BW is different than Bako-BW. UCSD already passes the academics sniff test from the BW membership, Bako didn't (at least that was one of the reasons given for their denial) so Bako really isn't a flight risk.

UCSD on list of best universities worldwide
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news...story.html

UCSD does pass the academics sniff test from the BW membership...it seems also passes the eye test for sports also...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UC_San_Die..._II_era.29

but unfortunately for UCSD the BW is political regarding UC and CSU membership and the balance...part of it has to do with concerns on how many mouths the BW has to feed...also the hopes of SJSU, Fresno State, & SDSU coming back someday...
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I think recruiting UC level athletes is the sticking point. UC admissions are almost Ivy League. The Big West has 4 UC schools lacking the "wink wink nod nod" UCLA and Cal get in taking UC minimum qualifiers.

There just are not a lot of D-I level kids who qualify for UC or who do and are willing to give up their preferred majors to play sports there. Having 4 UCs is bad enough competing for those kids, adding a 5th would be a huge problem. Worse all the schools in the Big West know UCSD would have a recruiting advantage for those kids over them. (Irvine and Riverside are nobody's first choice)
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(11-23-2017 01:57 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  I think recruiting UC level athletes is the sticking point. UC admissions are almost Ivy League. The Big West has 4 UC schools lacking the "wink wink nod nod" UCLA and Cal get in taking UC minimum qualifiers.

There just are not a lot of D-I level kids who qualify for UC or who do and are willing to give up their preferred majors to play sports there. Having 4 UCs is bad enough competing for those kids, adding a 5th would be a huge problem. Worse all the schools in the Big West know UCSD would have a recruiting advantage for those kids over them. (Irvine and Riverside are nobody's first choice)

On the flipside, that's also the last thing SDSU or the Mountain West needs. UCSD would be able to at least compete with the bottom half of the MW for recruits - think San Jose, Air Force, CSU, Utah State, New Mexico - and there's no way SDSU wants another superior institution in D1, especially in their backyard.
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