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(10-25-2017 06:02 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(10-25-2017 05:58 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(10-24-2017 05:53 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  13-game regular season: 7 vs. division, 2 vs. each of the 2 other divisions, and 2 at-large. A team can play its entire conference in 4 years. Conference championships are between the 3 division champs and a wild card. The Big Ten and SEC champs face off in a "College Super Bowl."

Too inclusive to have just the B1G and SEC determine the national champion.

This is why the P4 is more likely, with the CFP morphing into the champs of the expanded B1G and PAC meeting in the Rose Bowl and the champs of the expanded SEC and ACC/B12 meeting in the Orange or Sugar Bowl. THEN, Rose Bowl and Orange/Sugar Bowl winners play for the national championship.

The scenario I'm talking about is where the Big Ten and SEC have gutted the Pac, Big 12, and ACC to become the definitive "P2" conferences.

You would need to find a place for Notre Dame and probably Miami, Pitt, Syracuse and 1 or 2 others to make the B1G v. SEC the national championship game.
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RE: Is a Big Ten raid on the Pac 12 feasible?
Raid the Pac-12?

Maybe once Elon Musk's hyperloops are competing with Popular Science's oft reported flying cars for the bulk of the transportation business.

Now could the two leagues come together and say, "You know it is really silly to have to complete staffs arranging championship events, compiling stats, sending press releases and negotiating television and sponsorship and negotiating bowl deals and pay two people the high six figures to be commissioners" and merge the business operations? That's got some potential, there are some obstacles but it might be worthwhile.

It makes no sense to regularly send volleyball from College Park to Palo Alto.
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RE: Is a Big Ten raid on the Pac 12 feasible?
(10-25-2017 05:43 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(10-25-2017 04:13 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  I don't think it is feasible. It is tough enough for a teams that only play 1 day/week to travel through 4 time zones but when you start talking about teams that play 2-3 times per week it would be a nightmare.

I think the logistics could workout fine. With travel partners, you could easily manage travel.

For instance, in basketball, Arizona could play 14 games against its division (similar to the current PAC 12 schedule) and then 6 games against the rest of the conference. That's only 3 road games out of the division. And 2 of those out-of-division road games could be played on a Thurs-Sat or Fri-Sun road trip. Or may be even one Thurs-Sat-Mon road trip.

I considered that. What you are describing is more of a scheduling pact than a large conference. Even so, with 20 teams you are looking at 60 games that require travel across 3-4 time zones. It may be possible to schedule all of those on a weekend (we all know how good conferences are at working out schedules). A better solution might be to try and schedule like the NCAAT. UCLA could travel to Philly and play Maryland on Thursday and Rutgers on Saturday. That's going to be even harder to schedule plus there are 20 teams involved. You could lessen the burden slightly by having Oregon and Oregon State travel to Philly and play Rutgers and Maryland on alternating days. I think that would be an even bigger nightmare.
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RE: Is a Big Ten raid on the Pac 12 feasible?
(10-26-2017 10:18 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  
(10-25-2017 05:43 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(10-25-2017 04:13 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  I don't think it is feasible. It is tough enough for a teams that only play 1 day/week to travel through 4 time zones but when you start talking about teams that play 2-3 times per week it would be a nightmare.

I think the logistics could workout fine. With travel partners, you could easily manage travel.

For instance, in basketball, Arizona could play 14 games against its division (similar to the current PAC 12 schedule) and then 6 games against the rest of the conference. That's only 3 road games out of the division. And 2 of those out-of-division road games could be played on a Thurs-Sat or Fri-Sun road trip. Or may be even one Thurs-Sat-Mon road trip.

I considered that. What you are describing is more of a scheduling pact than a large conference. Even so, with 20 teams you are looking at 60 games that require travel across 3-4 time zones. It may be possible to schedule all of those on a weekend (we all know how good conferences are at working out schedules). A better solution might be to try and schedule like the NCAAT. UCLA could travel to Philly and play Maryland on Thursday and Rutgers on Saturday. That's going to be even harder to schedule plus there are 20 teams involved. You could lessen the burden slightly by having Oregon and Oregon State travel to Philly and play Rutgers and Maryland on alternating days. I think that would be an even bigger nightmare.

You're overthinking it. It's not logistically different than both Arizona and ASU travelling to the state of Washington during the same time period to play UW and WSU. Arizona plays UW on Thursday and WSU on Saturday. ASU plays WSU on Thursday and UW on Saturday. Only difference is the travel partners are going to B1G territory for the 2-game road trip.
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RE: Is a Big Ten raid on the Pac 12 feasible?
(10-26-2017 09:33 AM)YNot Wrote:  
(10-25-2017 06:02 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(10-25-2017 05:58 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(10-24-2017 05:53 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  13-game regular season: 7 vs. division, 2 vs. each of the 2 other divisions, and 2 at-large. A team can play its entire conference in 4 years. Conference championships are between the 3 division champs and a wild card. The Big Ten and SEC champs face off in a "College Super Bowl."

Too inclusive to have just the B1G and SEC determine the national champion.

This is why the P4 is more likely, with the CFP morphing into the champs of the expanded B1G and PAC meeting in the Rose Bowl and the champs of the expanded SEC and ACC/B12 meeting in the Orange or Sugar Bowl. THEN, Rose Bowl and Orange/Sugar Bowl winners play for the national championship.

The scenario I'm talking about is where the Big Ten and SEC have gutted the Pac, Big 12, and ACC to become the definitive "P2" conferences.

You would need to find a place for Notre Dame and probably Miami, Pitt, Syracuse and 1 or 2 others to make the B1G v. SEC the national championship game.

But ND is independent here, just like they've always wanted to be....

Miami, Pitt, and Syracuse just didn't make the cut. It's a brutal world out there. 03-wink
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RE: Is a Big Ten raid on the Pac 12 feasible?
(10-26-2017 02:58 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(10-26-2017 09:33 AM)YNot Wrote:  You would need to find a place for Notre Dame and probably Miami, Pitt, Syracuse and 1 or 2 others to make the B1G v. SEC the national championship game.

But ND is independent here, just like they've always wanted to be....

Miami, Pitt, and Syracuse just didn't make the cut. It's a brutal world out there. 03-wink

But, if the national championship game is truly derived from the B1G and SEC championship processes, Notre Dame is going to reassess independence.

Notre Dame would need to be accounted for. That also revives the chances for Miami, Pitt, and Syracuse.
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RE: Is a Big Ten raid on the Pac 12 feasible?
OK, how about this?

Big Ten
Atlantic: Duke, Maryland, North Carolina, Penn State, Rutgers, Syracuse, Virginia
Central: Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Pittsburgh, Purdue
Midwest: Colorado, Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin
Pacific: Arizona, California, Oregon, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Washington

SEC
East: Clemson, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Miami-FL, South Carolina
North: Kansas, Kentucky, Louisville, Missouri, NC State, Virginia Tech, West Virginia
South: Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
West: Arkansas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech

ACC
North: Army, Boston College, Cincinnati, Connecticut, Navy, Temple
South: Central Florida, East Carolina, Memphis, South Florida, Tulane, Wake Forest
West: Baylor, Houston, Iowa State, Kansas State, SMU, Tulsa

PAC
East: Air Force, Arizona State, Colorado State, New Mexico, Wyoming (+ UTEP)
Central: Boise State, BYU, Nevada, UNLV, Utah (+ Utah State)
West: Fresno State, Hawaii, Oregon State, San Diego State, Washington State (+ San Jose State)

Big Ten and SEC: 13 games = 6 in-division + 2x3 cross-division + 1 at-large
ACC and PAC(-18): 13 games = 5 in-division + 3x2 cross-division + 2 at-large
PAC(-15): 13 games = 4 in-division + 3x2 cross-division + 3 at-large

And if you want to be a bit less inclusive:

ACC
East: Boston College, Cincinnati, Connecticut/Navy, Temple
North: Iowa State, Kansas State, Memphis, Tulsa
South: Central Florida, East Carolina, South Florida, Wake Forest
West: Baylor, Houston, SMU, Tulane

PAC
East: Air Force, Boise State, Colorado State, Wyoming
North: BYU, Oregon State, Utah, Washington State
South: Arizona State, Nevada, New Mexico, UNLV
West: Fresno State, Hawaii, San Diego State, San Jose State

ACC and PAC(-16): 13 games = 7 in-division + 2 cross-division (North vs. South and East vs. West) + 4 at-large
Note: 4-team pods alternate annually between 2 divisions (North+East and South+West, then North+West and South+East)
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RE: Is a Big Ten raid on the Pac 12 feasible?
I like it. If forced into a conference, I think Notre Dame would prefer the B1G Atlantic division (w/ ACC teams plus Rutgers) and Penn St. would prefer the B1G Central (w/ B1G teams plus Pitt).

With 28 schools in a conference, it might make sense to have smaller scheduling pods, rather than full-fledged divisions:

SOUTH: Duke, Maryland, North Carolina, Virginia
ATLANTIC: Notre Dame, Rutgers, Syracuse, Pitt
EAST: Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State
CENTRAL: Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern
NORTH: Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin
WEST: Colorado, Arizona, Oregon, Washington
PACIFIC: California, Stanford, UCLA, USC

10-game conference schedule = 3 x pod plus 1 game v. each pod. The 10th game favors a second team from a neighboring pod (ie, Michigan St.-ND, Nebraska-Colorado, USC-Oregon, Iowa-Illinois, etc.) and rivalries (ie, ND-USC, Penn St.-Pitt, etc.).

Take the top 4 ranked teams for the CCT ("Conference Championship Tournament")...
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RE: Is a Big Ten raid on the Pac 12 feasible?
Similarly, I think the SEC would prefer the smaller scheduling pods with some protected rivalries and favored matchups, as opposed to 4 strict divisions:

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ATLANTIC: Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami
COASTAL: NC State, Virginia Tech, West Virginia, Louisville
EAST: Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Kentucky
CENTRAL: Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
SOUTH: Arkansas, LSU, Mississippi State, Ole Miss
NORTH: Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State
WEST: Texas, Texas Tech, Texas A&M, TCU

10-game schedule = 3 x plus 1 game v. each pod. Protected rivalries = Florida-FSU, Clemson-SC, Georgia-GT, Kentucky-Louisville, Auburn-Georgia, Oklahoma-Texas. Favor West-North, Atlantic-Coastal, East-South-Central matchups, if needed, for 10th game.
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RE: Is a Big Ten raid on the Pac 12 feasible?
They could always abandon both divisions and pods and instead just have a certain number of protected annual matchups. For example, if the Big Ten and SEC were to go to 24 as in my first scenario, each team could have 5 protected matchups and 6 additional conference games, rotating through the other 18 teams in 3 years. Tack on 1-2 OOC games to round out the regular season. Here's a possible setup:

Big Ten
Arizona: Colorado, Iowa, Oregon, UCLA, USC
California: Oregon, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Washington
Colorado: Arizona, Nebraska, UCLA, USC, Washington
Illinois: Indiana, Iowa, Northwestern, Ohio State, Purdue
Indiana: Illinois, Nebraska, North Carolina, Northwestern, Purdue
Iowa: Arizona, Illinois, Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Maryland: Michigan, North Carolina, Penn State, Rutgers, Virginia
Michigan: Maryland, Michigan State, Northwestern, Ohio State, Penn State
Michigan State: Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers, Virginia
Minnesota: Iowa, Nebraska, Oregon, Purdue, Wisconsin
Nebraska: Colorado, Indiana, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin
North Carolina: Indiana, Maryland, Ohio State, Rutgers, Virginia
Northwestern: Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Purdue, Wisconsin
Ohio State: Illinois, Michigan, Michigan State, North Carolina, Penn State
Oregon: Arizona, California, Minnesota, Stanford, Washington
Penn State: Maryland, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Rutgers
Purdue: Illinois, Indiana, Minnesota, Northwestern, Virginia
Rutgers: Maryland, Michigan State, North Carolina, Penn State, Virginia
Stanford: California, Oregon, UCLA, USC, Washington
UCLA: Arizona, California, Colorado, Stanford, USC
USC: Arizona, California, Colorado, Stanford, UCLA
Virginia: Maryland, Michigan State, North Carolina, Purdue, Rutgers
Washington: California, Colorado, Oregon, Stanford, Wisconsin
Wisconsin: Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Washington

SEC
Alabama: Auburn, LSU, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Tennessee
Arkansas: LSU, Missouri, Oklahoma, Ole Miss, Texas
Auburn: Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Georgia Tech, LSU
Clemson: Florida State, Georgia Tech, NC State, South Carolina, Virginia Tech
Florida: Auburn, Florida State, Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee
Florida State: Clemson, Florida, Georgia Tech, Louisville, NC State
Georgia: Auburn, Florida, Georgia Tech, South Carolina, Tennessee
Georgia Tech: Auburn, Clemson, Florida State, Georgia, Virginia Tech
Kansas: Kentucky, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas
Kentucky: Kansas, Louisville, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Virginia Tech
Louisville: Florida State, Kentucky, NC State, Vanderbilt, Virginia Tech
LSU: Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, Ole Miss, Texas A&M
Mississippi State: Alabama, Missouri, Oklahoma State, Ole Miss, Texas A&M
Missouri: Arkansas, Kansas, Mississippi State, Oklahoma State, Texas A&M
NC State: Clemson, Florida State, Louisville, South Carolina, Virginia Tech
Oklahoma: Arkansas, Kansas, Oklahoma State, Texas, Texas A&M
Oklahoma State: Kansas, Mississippi State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas
Ole Miss: Alabama, Arkansas, LSU, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt
South Carolina: Clemson, Florida, Georgia, NC State, Vanderbilt
Tennessee: Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Vanderbilt
Texas: Arkansas, Kansas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas A&M
Texas A&M: LSU, Mississippi State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas
Vanderbilt: Kentucky, Louisville, Ole Miss, South Carolina, Tennessee
Virginia Tech: Clemson, Georgia Tech, Kentucky, Louisville, NC State

As a bonus, a possible setup for the 24-team ACC:

ACC
Baylor: Houston, Iowa State, Navy, TCU, Texas Tech
Boston College: Connecticut, Miami-FL, Navy, Syracuse, Temple
Central Florida: Connecticut, East Carolina, Miami-FL, South Florida, Wake Forest
Cincinnati: Iowa State, Memphis, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, West Virginia
Connecticut: Boston College, Central Florida, Miami-FL, Syracuse, Temple
Duke: East Carolina, Miami-FL, Navy, Wake Forest, West Virginia
East Carolina: Central Florida, Duke, South Florida, Wake Forest, West Virginia
Houston: Baylor, SMU, TCU, Texas Tech, Tulane
Iowa State: Baylor, Cincinnati, Kansas State, Tulane, Tulsa
Kansas State: Iowa State, Memphis, Texas Tech, Tulane, Tulsa
Memphis: Cincinnati, Kansas State, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa
Miami-FL: Boston College, Central Florida, Connecticut, Duke, South Florida
Navy: Baylor, Boston College, Duke, Pittsburgh, TCU
Pittsburgh: Cincinnati, Navy, Syracuse, Temple, West Virginia
SMU: Houston, Memphis, TCU, Texas Tech, Tulsa
South Florida: Central Florida, East Carolina, Miami-FL, Temple, Wake Forest
Syracuse: Boston College, Cincinnati, Connecticut, Pittsburgh, Temple
TCU: Baylor, Houston, Navy, SMU, Texas Tech
Temple: Boston College, Connecticut, Pittsburgh, South Florida, Syracuse
Texas Tech: Baylor, Houston, Kansas State, SMU, TCU
Tulane: Houston, Iowa State, Kansas State, Memphis, Tulsa
Tulsa: Iowa State, Kansas State, Memphis, SMU, Tulane
Wake Forest: Central Florida, Duke, East Carolina, South Florida, West Virginia
West Virginia: Cincinnati, Duke, East Carolina, Pittsburgh, Wake Forest
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RE: Is a Big Ten raid on the Pac 12 feasible?
And for the 28-team Big Ten and SEC, there could be the same schedule structure, although it would take 4 years to rotate through the whole conference.

Big Ten
Arizona: Colorado, Oregon, UCLA, USC, Washington
California: Oregon, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Washington
Colorado: Arizona, Nebraska, Oregon, UCLA, Washington
Duke: Indiana, Maryland, North Carolina, Syracuse, Virginia
Illinois: Indiana, Iowa, Northwestern, Ohio State, Purdue
Indiana: Duke, Illinois, North Carolina, Northwestern, Purdue
Iowa: Illinois, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin
Maryland: Duke, North Carolina, Penn State, Rutgers, Virginia
Michigan: Michigan State, Minnesota, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Wisconsin
Michigan State: Michigan, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Penn State
Minnesota: Iowa, Michigan, Nebraska, Purdue, Wisconsin
Nebraska: Colorado, Iowa, Michigan State, Minnesota, Wisconsin
North Carolina: Duke, Indiana, Maryland, Syracuse, Virginia
Northwestern: Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Purdue, Wisconsin
Notre Dame: Michigan, Michigan State, Pittsburgh, Purdue, USC
Ohio State: Illinois, Michigan, Michigan State, Penn State, Pittsburgh
Oregon: Arizona, California, Colorado, Stanford, Washington
Penn State: Maryland, Michigan State, Ohio State, Pittsburgh, Rutgers
Pittsburgh: Notre Dame, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers, Syracuse
Purdue: Illinois, Indiana, Minnesota, Northwestern, Notre Dame
Rutgers: Maryland, Penn State, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Virginia
Stanford: California, Oregon, UCLA, USC, Washington
Syracuse: Duke, North Carolina, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Virginia
UCLA: Arizona, California, Colorado, Stanford, USC
USC: Arizona, California, Notre Dame, Stanford, UCLA
Virginia: Duke, Maryland, North Carolina, Rutgers, Syracuse
Washington: Arizona, California, Colorado, Oregon, Stanford
Wisconsin: Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern

SEC
Alabama: Auburn, LSU, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Tennessee
Arkansas: LSU, Missouri, Oklahoma, Ole Miss, Texas
Auburn: Alabama, Florida, Georgia, LSU, Mississippi State
Clemson: Florida State, Georgia Tech, Louisville, NC State, South Carolina
Florida: Auburn, Florida State, Georgia, Miami-FL, Tennessee
Florida State: Clemson, Florida, Georgia Tech, Miami-FL, South Carolina
Georgia: Auburn, Florida, Georgia Tech, South Carolina, Tennessee
Georgia Tech: Clemson, Florida State, Georgia, Miami-FL, Virginia Tech
Kansas: Kentucky, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech
Kentucky: Kansas, Louisville, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, West Virginia
Louisville: Clemson, Kentucky, NC State, Virginia Tech, West Virginia
LSU: Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, Mississippi State, Ole Miss
Miami-FL: Florida, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Vanderbilt, Virginia Tech
Mississippi State: Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Ole Miss, Vanderbilt
Missouri: Arkansas, Kansas, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas A&M
NC State: Clemson, Louisville, South Carolina, Virginia Tech, West Virginia
Oklahoma: Arkansas, Kansas, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas
Oklahoma State: Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Texas Tech
Ole Miss: Alabama, Arkansas, LSU, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt
South Carolina: Clemson, Florida State, Georgia, NC State, West Virginia
TCU: Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech
Tennessee: Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Vanderbilt
Texas: Arkansas, Oklahoma, TCU, Texas A&M, Texas Tech
Texas A&M: Missouri, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas, Texas Tech
Texas Tech: Kansas, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas, Texas A&M
Vanderbilt: Kentucky, Miami-FL, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Tennessee
Virginia Tech: Georgia Tech, Louisville, Miami-FL, NC State, West Virginia
West Virginia: Kentucky, Louisville, NC State, South Carolina, Virginia Tech

And bonus 18-team ACC and PAC schedules. They can have a 9-game conference slate and play all teams in the conference within 3 years.

ACC
Army: Boston College, Connecticut, East Carolina, Navy, Temple
Baylor: Houston, Iowa State, Kansas State, Memphis, SMU
Boston College: Army, Central Florida, Connecticut, South Florida, Wake Forest
Central Florida: Boston College, Connecticut, East Carolina, South Florida, Tulane
Cincinnati: East Carolina, Iowa State, Memphis, Temple, Wake Forest
Connecticut: Army, Boston College, Central Florida, South Florida, Temple
East Carolina: Army, Central Florida, Cincinnati, Navy, Wake Forest
Houston: Baylor, Iowa State, Navy, SMU, Tulane
Iowa State: Baylor, Cincinnati, Houston, Kansas State, Tulsa
Kansas State: Baylor, Iowa State, Memphis, SMU, Tulsa
Memphis: Baylor, Cincinnati, Kansas State, Tulane, Tulsa
Navy: Army, East Carolina, Houston, SMU, Wake Forest
SMU: Baylor, Houston, Kansas State, Navy, Tulsa
South Florida: Boston College, Central Florida, Connecticut, Temple, Tulane
Temple: Army, Cincinnati, Connecticut, South Florida, Wake Forest
Tulane: Central Florida, Houston, Memphis, South Florida, Tulsa
Tulsa: Iowa State, Kansas State, Memphis, SMU, Tulane
Wake Forest: Boston College, Cincinnati, East Carolina, Navy, Temple

PAC
Air Force: Colorado State, New Mexico, UNLV, UTEP, Wyoming
Arizona State: BYU, New Mexico, Oregon State, Utah, Washington State
Boise State: Fresno State, Nevada, Oregon State, San Diego State, Washington State
BYU: Arizona State, Oregon State, Utah, Utah State, Washington State
Colorado State: Air Force, New Mexico, Utah State, UTEP, Wyoming
Fresno State: Boise State, Hawaii, Nevada, San Diego State, San Jose State
Hawaii: Fresno State, Nevada, San Diego State, San Jose State, UNLV
Nevada: Boise State, Fresno State, Hawaii, San Jose State, UNLV
New Mexico: Air Force, Arizona State, Colorado State, UTEP, Wyoming
Oregon State: Arizona State, Boise State, BYU, Utah, Washington State
San Diego State: Boise State, Fresno State, Hawaii, San Jose State, UNLV
San Jose State: Fresno State, Hawaii, Nevada, San Diego State, UNLV
UNLV: Air Force, Hawaii, Nevada, San Diego State, San Jose State
Utah: Arizona State, BYU, Oregon State, Utah State, Washington State
Utah State: BYU, Colorado State, Utah, UTEP, Wyoming
UTEP: Air Force, Colorado State, New Mexico, Utah State, Wyoming
Washington State: Arizona State, Boise State, BYU, Oregon State, Utah
Wyoming: Air Force, Colorado State, New Mexico, Utah State, UTEP
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RE: Is a Big Ten raid on the Pac 12 feasible?
If you are going to go big, 12 team conferences work best. You can have 2 divisions with an 8 game schedule. So you get your division every year and the other division every other year. Then you have your 9th and 10th game with a matching 12 team conference. So you get all of them every 6th year.
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RE: Is a Big Ten raid on the Pac 12 feasible?
Needlinger, I think your ACC would wind up being called the American Athletic Conference, with only 2 of the 15 members left, it certainly would have been dissolved, and your conference took in the entire AAC. Of course it may wind up being the Big 18 since you have 3 Big 12 members in it.
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RE: Is a Big Ten raid on the Pac 12 feasible?
(11-01-2017 10:48 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  Needlinger, I think your ACC would wind up being called the American Athletic Conference, with only 2 of the 15 members left, it certainly would have been dissolved, and your conference took in the entire AAC. Of course it may wind up being the Big 18 since you have 3 Big 12 members in it.

I suppose technically it is the American, but since the ACC name would be free to use, I figure they'd adopt that instead. More cachet. Same thing for the MWC and the new PAC.
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RE: Is a Big Ten raid on the Pac 12 feasible?
(10-28-2017 11:03 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  And for the 28-team Big Ten and SEC, there could be the same schedule structure, although it would take 4 years to rotate through the whole conference.

Big Ten
Arizona: Colorado, Oregon, UCLA, USC, Washington
California: Oregon, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Washington
Colorado: Arizona, Nebraska, Oregon, UCLA, Washington
Duke: Indiana, Maryland, North Carolina, Syracuse, Virginia
Illinois: Indiana, Iowa, Northwestern, Ohio State, Purdue
Indiana: Duke, Illinois, North Carolina, Northwestern, Purdue
Iowa: Illinois, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Wisconsin
Maryland: Duke, North Carolina, Penn State, Rutgers, Virginia
Michigan: Michigan State, Minnesota, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Wisconsin
Michigan State: Michigan, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Penn State
Minnesota: Iowa, Michigan, Nebraska, Purdue, Wisconsin
Nebraska: Colorado, Iowa, Michigan State, Minnesota, Wisconsin
North Carolina: Duke, Indiana, Maryland, Syracuse, Virginia
Northwestern: Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Purdue, Wisconsin
Notre Dame: Michigan, Michigan State, Pittsburgh, Purdue, USC
Ohio State: Illinois, Michigan, Michigan State, Penn State, Pittsburgh
Oregon: Arizona, California, Colorado, Stanford, Washington
Penn State: Maryland, Michigan State, Ohio State, Pittsburgh, Rutgers
Pittsburgh: Notre Dame, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers, Syracuse
Purdue: Illinois, Indiana, Minnesota, Northwestern, Notre Dame
Rutgers: Maryland, Penn State, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Virginia
Stanford: California, Oregon, UCLA, USC, Washington
Syracuse: Duke, North Carolina, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, Virginia
UCLA: Arizona, California, Colorado, Stanford, USC
USC: Arizona, California, Notre Dame, Stanford, UCLA
Virginia: Duke, Maryland, North Carolina, Rutgers, Syracuse
Washington: Arizona, California, Colorado, Oregon, Stanford
Wisconsin: Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern

SEC
Alabama: Auburn, LSU, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Tennessee
Arkansas: LSU, Missouri, Oklahoma, Ole Miss, Texas
Auburn: Alabama, Florida, Georgia, LSU, Mississippi State
Clemson: Florida State, Georgia Tech, Louisville, NC State, South Carolina
Florida: Auburn, Florida State, Georgia, Miami-FL, Tennessee
Florida State: Clemson, Florida, Georgia Tech, Miami-FL, South Carolina
Georgia: Auburn, Florida, Georgia Tech, South Carolina, Tennessee
Georgia Tech: Clemson, Florida State, Georgia, Miami-FL, Virginia Tech
Kansas: Kentucky, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech
Kentucky: Kansas, Louisville, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, West Virginia
Louisville: Clemson, Kentucky, NC State, Virginia Tech, West Virginia
LSU: Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, Mississippi State, Ole Miss
Miami-FL: Florida, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Vanderbilt, Virginia Tech
Mississippi State: Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Ole Miss, Vanderbilt
Missouri: Arkansas, Kansas, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas A&M
NC State: Clemson, Louisville, South Carolina, Virginia Tech, West Virginia
Oklahoma: Arkansas, Kansas, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas
Oklahoma State: Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Texas Tech
Ole Miss: Alabama, Arkansas, LSU, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt
South Carolina: Clemson, Florida State, Georgia, NC State, West Virginia
TCU: Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech
Tennessee: Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Vanderbilt
Texas: Arkansas, Oklahoma, TCU, Texas A&M, Texas Tech
Texas A&M: Missouri, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas, Texas Tech
Texas Tech: Kansas, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas, Texas A&M
Vanderbilt: Kentucky, Miami-FL, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Tennessee
Virginia Tech: Georgia Tech, Louisville, Miami-FL, NC State, West Virginia
West Virginia: Kentucky, Louisville, NC State, South Carolina, Virginia Tech

And bonus 18-team ACC and PAC schedules. They can have a 9-game conference slate and play all teams in the conference within 3 years.

ACC
Army: Boston College, Connecticut, East Carolina, Navy, Temple
Baylor: Houston, Iowa State, Kansas State, Memphis, SMU
Boston College: Army, Central Florida, Connecticut, South Florida, Wake Forest
Central Florida: Boston College, Connecticut, East Carolina, South Florida, Tulane
Cincinnati: East Carolina, Iowa State, Memphis, Temple, Wake Forest
Connecticut: Army, Boston College, Central Florida, South Florida, Temple
East Carolina: Army, Central Florida, Cincinnati, Navy, Wake Forest
Houston: Baylor, Iowa State, Navy, SMU, Tulane
Iowa State: Baylor, Cincinnati, Houston, Kansas State, Tulsa
Kansas State: Baylor, Iowa State, Memphis, SMU, Tulsa
Memphis: Baylor, Cincinnati, Kansas State, Tulane, Tulsa
Navy: Army, East Carolina, Houston, SMU, Wake Forest
SMU: Baylor, Houston, Kansas State, Navy, Tulsa
South Florida: Boston College, Central Florida, Connecticut, Temple, Tulane
Temple: Army, Cincinnati, Connecticut, South Florida, Wake Forest
Tulane: Central Florida, Houston, Memphis, South Florida, Tulsa
Tulsa: Iowa State, Kansas State, Memphis, SMU, Tulane
Wake Forest: Boston College, Cincinnati, East Carolina, Navy, Temple

PAC
Air Force: Colorado State, New Mexico, UNLV, UTEP, Wyoming
Arizona State: BYU, New Mexico, Oregon State, Utah, Washington State
Boise State: Fresno State, Nevada, Oregon State, San Diego State, Washington State
BYU: Arizona State, Oregon State, Utah, Utah State, Washington State
Colorado State: Air Force, New Mexico, Utah State, UTEP, Wyoming
Fresno State: Boise State, Hawaii, Nevada, San Diego State, San Jose State
Hawaii: Fresno State, Nevada, San Diego State, San Jose State, UNLV
Nevada: Boise State, Fresno State, Hawaii, San Jose State, UNLV
New Mexico: Air Force, Arizona State, Colorado State, UTEP, Wyoming
Oregon State: Arizona State, Boise State, BYU, Utah, Washington State
San Diego State: Boise State, Fresno State, Hawaii, San Jose State, UNLV
San Jose State: Fresno State, Hawaii, Nevada, San Diego State, UNLV
UNLV: Air Force, Hawaii, Nevada, San Diego State, San Jose State
Utah: Arizona State, BYU, Oregon State, Utah State, Washington State
Utah State: BYU, Colorado State, Utah, UTEP, Wyoming
UTEP: Air Force, Colorado State, New Mexico, Utah State, Wyoming
Washington State: Arizona State, Boise State, BYU, Oregon State, Utah
Wyoming: Air Force, Colorado State, New Mexico, Utah State, UTEP

We have a P5 rival for DavidSt
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(11-05-2017 04:57 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  We have a P5 rival for DavidSt

Some major differences: I am actually self-aware, my posts are substantive, and I am adding realism to the scenario (which is rather unrealistic). 03-wink
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(10-31-2017 11:28 AM)bullet Wrote:  If you are going to go big, 12 team conferences work best. You can have 2 divisions with an 8 game schedule. So you get your division every year and the other division every other year. Then you have your 9th and 10th game with a matching 12 team conference. So you get all of them every 6th year.

This implies pairing two 12-team conferences into a superconference, right? That would be like the basic setup of four 6-team divisions, except with a permanently unbalanced interdivisional schedule. I favor a more balanced schedule to minimize the number of years it takes to play the whole (super)conference. However, if there are two logical pairs of 6-team divisions, then your idea might be better.
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http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/05/18/co...ectacular/

The PAC not the Big 12 seems to be in the most trouble.


2016 (actual)

SEC: $40.5 million
Big Ten: $34.8 million
Pac-12: $28.7 million
Big 12: $28.45 million
(The ACC has not reported FY16.)

2017 (projected)

SEC: $44 million
Big Ten: $38 million
Big 12: $34 million (per commissioner Bob Bowlsby)
Pac-12: $29.5 million

2018 (projected)

SEC: $45+ million
Big Ten: $45 million (new Tier 1 deal)
Big 12: $37.5 million
Pac-12: $32.5 million
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RE: Is a Big Ten raid on the Pac 12 feasible?
(11-05-2017 05:47 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(11-05-2017 04:57 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  We have a P5 rival for DavidSt

Some major differences: I am actually self-aware, my posts are substantive, and I am adding realism to the scenario (which is rather unrealistic). 03-wink


The problem you do have is the issues when adding schools, they became a bust. When PAC 12 added Colorado? That was a bust. Nebraska is a bust for the Big 10 as well as Maryland and Rutgers. Missouri have become a bust in the SEC. The ACC adding all those Big East schools have become a bust except for Virginia Tech. It actually watered down the strength of the ACC and the Big East schools. Florida State is the only one that have been more consistent throughout the years. Adding P5 schools have been not very successful. TCU, Utah and Louisville from G5 conferences have been a success. I think if I were the P5 schools and conferences? Adding P5 schools may not work out so well. Adding G5 schools could add competitive teams.
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(11-09-2017 07:23 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(11-05-2017 05:47 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(11-05-2017 04:57 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  We have a P5 rival for DavidSt

Some major differences: I am actually self-aware, my posts are substantive, and I am adding realism to the scenario (which is rather unrealistic). 03-wink


The problem you do have is the issues when adding schools, they became a bust. When PAC 12 added Colorado? That was a bust. Nebraska is a bust for the Big 10 as well as Maryland and Rutgers. Missouri have become a bust in the SEC. The ACC adding all those Big East schools have become a bust except for Virginia Tech. It actually watered down the strength of the ACC and the Big East schools. Florida State is the only one that have been more consistent throughout the years. Adding P5 schools have been not very successful. TCU, Utah and Louisville from G5 conferences have been a success. I think if I were the P5 schools and conferences? Adding P5 schools may not work out so well. Adding G5 schools could add competitive teams.
Maryland's won 25 Big Ten titles in 4 years. The only program that's underperformed has been football. It'll take another 2 years to recover from the Edsall era.
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