(10-21-2017 09:30 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-21-2017 08:15 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  You guys that have NMSU below 4th are crackheads. What the hell do you look at?

I think South is ahead of them right now, primarily because South is better defensively.

NMSU is hard to figure out. Are we going to see the NMSU team that should have won in Boone and almost beat Troy, or are we going to get the team that struggled to put Georgia Southern away? If we can get consistent pressure on Tyler Rodgers we can force him into mistakes, and make it easier on ourselves.

Hmm, The NMSU team that struggled to beat Ga So was on the last of three cross country road trips. They played without Larry Rose, 2 starting offensive linemen, a starting defensive end, and had Jaleel Scott nursing a hip pointer and Jason Huntley with a tweaked ankle amongst other injuries. Look for most of them be be healed after the bye week.

Don't be surprised if with some rest they show more of what they did in the early season. Unlike the OP, I believe they will be going bowling.

(10-21-2017 09:52 PM)NotANewbie Wrote:  

(10-21-2017 09:30 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-21-2017 08:15 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  You guys that have NMSU below 4th are crackheads. What the hell do you look at?

I think South is ahead of them right now, primarily because South is better defensively.

NMSU is hard to figure out. Are we going to see the NMSU team that should have won in Boone and almost beat Troy, or are we going to get the team that struggled to put Georgia Southern away? If we can get consistent pressure on Tyler Rodgers we can force him into mistakes, and make it easier on ourselves.

Hmm, The NMSU team that struggled to beat Ga So was on the last of three cross country road trips. They played without Larry Rose, 2 starting offensive linemen, a starting defensive end, and had Jaleel Scott nursing a hip pointer and Jason Huntley with a tweaked ankle amongst other injuries. Look for most of them be be healed after the bye week.

Don't be surprised if with some rest they show more of what they did in the early season. Unlike the OP, I believe they will be going bowling.

If we can bottle what we put together against Louisiana we'll be fine. If not then we'll have a long day. NMSU is not a team you're going to waltz by playing half-assed or starting slow.

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I hope we keep what we had against UL. If not it could be Troy vs USA all over again.

Almost every time i hear a name called for a receiver or in today's case, running back, it is accompanied by Freshman. App is in a retooling year due to losing Collins na Jamie on the offensive line as well as the defensive turnover. Next year will likely be better but App still hasn't lost a conference game while Troy has.

Not to mention Keane was hurt for the Arkansas State .

(10-21-2017 10:30 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  I hope we keep what we had against UL. If not it could be Troy vs USA all over again.

Did a lot of players get hurt against ULL?

(10-21-2017 11:19 PM)ericsaid Wrote:  Almost every time i hear a name called for a receiver or in today's case, running back, it is accompanied by Freshman. App is in a retooling year due to losing Collins na Jamie on the offensive line as well as the defensive turnover. Next year will likely be better but App still hasn't lost a conference game while Troy has.

Not to mention Keane was hurt BY Arkansas State .

fixed it . . .

(10-21-2017 07:47 PM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  

(10-21-2017 07:45 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  How is NMSU behind ULM and GSU? Crazy!

Because they're 1-2....

Against Troy and App St....and when they played Troy they didn’t get the beat down Georgia State just got.

1. Ark State - most convincing in conference play so far. Best test thus far comes this Saturday against a well rested NMSU on the road. NMSU played the other top teams close so this will be a decent barometer game.

2. Troy - Good rebound and still the owner of the best win in the conference this year.

3. App St - Good teams find a way to win. They definitely keep finding ways but they seem the most prone for an upset.

4. NMSU- will learn a lot this week against Ark St. This will be their first home game in over a month and should be healthy.

5. USA - could be 4th. The GSU game is gonna be a good one.

6. GSU - Good at beating bad teams. Bad at even competing with good ones. Will be interesting to see how they do this weekend against USA, which is a huge one for both team.


The bottom is a crapshoot

(10-21-2017 07:59 PM)GSUALUM17 Wrote:  

(10-21-2017 07:41 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  1) Ark State (3-0)
2) Troy (2-1)
3) App (4-0)
4) South Alabama (2-1)

---GAP---

5) Georgia State (2-1)
6) ULM (3-2)
6) NMSU (1-2)
6) ULL (2-2)
9) Idaho (1-2)
9) CCU (0-4)
11) TXST (0-3)
12) GS (0-2)

See I don't think the gap between USA and GSU is THAT wide. BOOK IT when we have our Thursday night game next week.

After my initial disgust, I looked over the team stats.
1st down- Troy 20 GSU 16
yards- Troy 450 GSU 300
turnover- Troy 1 GSU 1
Time of Possession- Troy 27mins GSU 33mins

This seems to prove that GSU played didn't finish drives in the redzone. Troy absolutely won the game dominantly, no arguments there. My respect to the Troy team. Troy players were absolute beasts. But if we didn't leave points on the field, it should've been 34-21 ish score...not 34-10.

Troy played a complete, disciplined, perfect football. GSU played uninspiring, flat, sloppy football. I don't think we played the best of our abilities (they believed in their 3-0 hype and played like asses). I think USA game will be different. Panthers will be hungry and chippy

I don't think there's much of a gap either. We will see on Thursday.

(10-22-2017 10:04 AM)riburn3 Wrote:  

(10-21-2017 07:47 PM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  

(10-21-2017 07:45 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  How is NMSU behind ULM and GSU? Crazy!

Because they're 1-2....

Against Troy and App St....and when they played Troy they didn’t get the beat down Georgia State just got.

My sources tell me Troy is beatable.

App hasn't looked great either.

Troy now #1 in red zone defense in nation and #7 in rush defense in country

True, although NMSU has only lost to those two teams in conference. Teams I ranked below them have much worse losses, such as home losses to Idaho. Maybe if NMSU starts losing home games against similar teams I’ll agree they should be ranked lower.

(10-22-2017 11:59 AM)riburn3 Wrote:  True, although NMSU has only lost to those two teams in conference. Teams I ranked below them have much worse losses, such as home losses to Idaho. Maybe if NMSU starts losing home games against similar teams I’ll agree they should be ranked lower.

You obviously don't watch any games other than yours.

(10-22-2017 11:54 AM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  

(10-22-2017 10:04 AM)riburn3 Wrote:  

(10-21-2017 07:47 PM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  

(10-21-2017 07:45 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  How is NMSU behind ULM and GSU? Crazy!

Because they're 1-2....

Against Troy and App St....and when they played Troy they didn’t get the beat down Georgia State just got.

My sources tell me Troy is beatable.

App hasn't looked great either.

I highly doubt Troy goes anything worse than 4-0 in their next games. USA had three advantages that no one else has: 1) rivalry game 2) USA has a knack for beating teams that are much better than they are 3) USA got us after our biggest win in program history.

I don't think South goes on a big run. They got their big win of the season and will not play that well the rest of the way.

Arkansas State will likely be favored over Troy but I don't think we see a repeat of last year.

(10-22-2017 12:09 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(10-22-2017 11:54 AM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  

(10-22-2017 10:04 AM)riburn3 Wrote:  

(10-21-2017 07:47 PM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  

(10-21-2017 07:45 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  How is NMSU behind ULM and GSU? Crazy!

Because they're 1-2....

Against Troy and App St....and when they played Troy they didn’t get the beat down Georgia State just got.

My sources tell me Troy is beatable.

App hasn't looked great either.

I highly doubt Troy goes anything worse than 4-0 in their next games. USA had three advantages that no one else has: 1) rivalry game 2) USA has a knack for beating teams that are much better than they are 3) USA got us after our biggest win in program history.

I don't think South goes on a big run. They got their big win of the season and will not play that well the rest of the way.

Arkansas State will likely be favored over Troy but I don't think we see a repeat of last year.

It’s not our “big win”, we’ve won 3 of the last 4, it’s just another win.

1. It was a rivalry game for Troy as well right?
2. Yes, we beat teams better than us. This you are correct about. I hear Troy did that the week before.
3. Your own coach said many times during your week and a half off that this was the most important game on the schedule, you guys didn’t overlook us because of the win. There were pep rallies to get pumped for this game. If your coach can’t grt your guys ready for this game, then we’ll......he has some issues.

Those are not advantages, those are excuses.

Now for Troy’s advantages:
1. It was at home
2. Our excitement was at an all-time low (not a factor - I admit)
3. You were supposed to be the better team
4. You had extra time to let that win sink in and move on

My comment had nothing to do with Troy not being good, just that NMSU could have won. The point was that a 1-2 NMSU shouldn’t be ahead of better performing teams.

(10-22-2017 12:20 PM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  

(10-22-2017 12:09 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(10-22-2017 11:54 AM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  

(10-22-2017 10:04 AM)riburn3 Wrote:  

(10-21-2017 07:47 PM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  Because they're 1-2....

Against Troy and App St....and when they played Troy they didn’t get the beat down Georgia State just got.

My sources tell me Troy is beatable.

App hasn't looked great either.

I highly doubt Troy goes anything worse than 4-0 in their next games. USA had three advantages that no one else has: 1) rivalry game 2) USA has a knack for beating teams that are much better than they are 3) USA got us after our biggest win in program history.

I don't think South goes on a big run. They got their big win of the season and will not play that well the rest of the way.

Arkansas State will likely be favored over Troy but I don't think we see a repeat of last year.

It’s not our “big win”, we’ve won 3 of the last 4, it’s just another win.

1. It was a rivalry game for Troy as well right?
2. Yes, we beat teams better than us. This you are correct about. I hear Troy did that the week before.
3. Your own coach said many times during your week and a half off that this was the most important game on the schedule, you guys didn’t overlook us because of the win. There were pep rallies to get pumped for this game. If your coach can’t grt your guys ready for this game, then we’ll......he has some issues.

Now for Troy’s advantages:
1. It was at home
2. Our excitement was at an all-time low
3. You were supposed to be the better team
4. You had extra time to let that win sink in and move on

My comment had nothing to do with Troy not being good, just that NMSU could have won. The point was that a 1-2 NMSU shouldn’t be ahead of better performing teams.

You've won two of the last four. The Idaho game is still a loss.

We can go back and forth all day, but we know how this show usually ends. USA gets up for their super bowl for Troy, gets the "W", and doesn't look like that team the rest of the season. Your fan excitement was at an all time low, but your team came in with their hair on fire, and Troy's field presence pregame and during the game was the complete opposite. It's one thing to not overlook a team, and another to not be focused We're building a track record of coming out flat after big wins.

Yes, I can blame that on Neal Brown as well. South always looks like they're amped up on energy drinks when they play us, and we don't ever come close to matching that intensity. And that's what I mean. It's very specific to our rivalry. It's cupcake city from here on out until we play Arkansas State in the finale and I don't see any of those four beating us. When we destroy Idaho we can come back to this thread.

You guys played a great game, but I wouldn't glean too much from that game.

Note: as for the excuses not advantages comment - there are no excuses for losing to USA, but they are excuses/factors/advantages, what have you, that won't be present the rest of the way, and that was my main point. Carry on.

(10-22-2017 12:43 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(10-22-2017 12:20 PM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  

(10-22-2017 12:09 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(10-22-2017 11:54 AM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  

(10-22-2017 10:04 AM)riburn3 Wrote:  Against Troy and App St....and when they played Troy they didn’t get the beat down Georgia State just got.

My sources tell me Troy is beatable.

App hasn't looked great either.

I highly doubt Troy goes anything worse than 4-0 in their next games. USA had three advantages that no one else has: 1) rivalry game 2) USA has a knack for beating teams that are much better than they are 3) USA got us after our biggest win in program history.

I don't think South goes on a big run. They got their big win of the season and will not play that well the rest of the way.

Arkansas State will likely be favored over Troy but I don't think we see a repeat of last year.

It’s not our “big win”, we’ve won 3 of the last 4, it’s just another win.

1. It was a rivalry game for Troy as well right?
2. Yes, we beat teams better than us. This you are correct about. I hear Troy did that the week before.
3. Your own coach said many times during your week and a half off that this was the most important game on the schedule, you guys didn’t overlook us because of the win. There were pep rallies to get pumped for this game. If your coach can’t grt your guys ready for this game, then we’ll......he has some issues.

Now for Troy’s advantages:
1. It was at home
2. Our excitement was at an all-time low
3. You were supposed to be the better team
4. You had extra time to let that win sink in and move on

My comment had nothing to do with Troy not being good, just that NMSU could have won. The point was that a 1-2 NMSU shouldn’t be ahead of better performing teams.

You've won two of the last four. The Idaho game is still a loss.

We can go back and forth all day, but we know how this show usually ends. USA gets up for their super bowl for Troy, gets the "W", and doesn't look like that team the rest of the season. Your fan excitement was at an all time low, but your team came in with their hair on fire, and Troy's field presence pregame and during the game was the complete opposite. It's one thing to not overlook a team, and another to not be focused We're building a track record of coming out flat after big wins.

Yes, I can blame that on Neal Brown as well. South always looks like they're amped up on energy drinks when they play us, and we don't ever come close to matching that intensity. And that's what I mean. It's very specific to our rivalry. It's cupcake city from here on out until we play Arkansas State in the finale and I don't see any of those four beating us. When we destroy Idaho we can come back to this thread.

You guys played a great game, but I wouldn't glean too much from that game.

I was referring to the USA/Troy game, we’ve won 3 of the last 4.

And those are still excuses not advantages.

The advantages USA had were:

1. More time than others to prepare for your defense
2. Our run defense was really good until last night
3. We were more prepared, not just energetic

Again, I never hinted that Troy would lose any of those not games, that is a moot point. My point was that NMSU shouldn’t be ahead of a few other teams. I just said Troy was beatable, and they are.

(10-22-2017 12:54 PM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  

(10-22-2017 12:43 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(10-22-2017 12:20 PM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  

(10-22-2017 12:09 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(10-22-2017 11:54 AM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  My sources tell me Troy is beatable.

App hasn't looked great either.

I highly doubt Troy goes anything worse than 4-0 in their next games. USA had three advantages that no one else has: 1) rivalry game 2) USA has a knack for beating teams that are much better than they are 3) USA got us after our biggest win in program history.

I don't think South goes on a big run. They got their big win of the season and will not play that well the rest of the way.

Arkansas State will likely be favored over Troy but I don't think we see a repeat of last year.

It’s not our “big win”, we’ve won 3 of the last 4, it’s just another win.

1. It was a rivalry game for Troy as well right?
2. Yes, we beat teams better than us. This you are correct about. I hear Troy did that the week before.
3. Your own coach said many times during your week and a half off that this was the most important game on the schedule, you guys didn’t overlook us because of the win. There were pep rallies to get pumped for this game. If your coach can’t grt your guys ready for this game, then we’ll......he has some issues.

Now for Troy’s advantages:
1. It was at home
2. Our excitement was at an all-time low
3. You were supposed to be the better team
4. You had extra time to let that win sink in and move on

My comment had nothing to do with Troy not being good, just that NMSU could have won. The point was that a 1-2 NMSU shouldn’t be ahead of better performing teams.

You've won two of the last four. The Idaho game is still a loss.

We can go back and forth all day, but we know how this show usually ends. USA gets up for their super bowl for Troy, gets the "W", and doesn't look like that team the rest of the season. Your fan excitement was at an all time low, but your team came in with their hair on fire, and Troy's field presence pregame and during the game was the complete opposite. It's one thing to not overlook a team, and another to not be focused We're building a track record of coming out flat after big wins.

Yes, I can blame that on Neal Brown as well. South always looks like they're amped up on energy drinks when they play us, and we don't ever come close to matching that intensity. And that's what I mean. It's very specific to our rivalry. It's cupcake city from here on out until we play Arkansas State in the finale and I don't see any of those four beating us. When we destroy Idaho we can come back to this thread.

You guys played a great game, but I wouldn't glean too much from that game.

I was referring to the USA/Troy game, we’ve won 3 of the last 4.

And those are still excuses not advantages.

The advantages USA had were:

1. More time than others to prepare for your defense
2. Our run defense was really good until last night
3. We were more prepared, not just energetic

Again, I never hinted that Troy would lose any of those not games, that is a moot point. My point was that NMSU shouldn’t be ahead of a few other teams. I just said Troy was beatable, and they are.

As for the excuses not advantages comment - there are no excuses for losing to USA, but they are excuses/factors/advantages, what have you, that won't be present the rest of the way, and that was my main point.

Troy is beatable, but the next guys won't get us coming off LSU. You're right, we weren't prepared, and there were several factors listed that played into the how the game played out that we could have and should have overcome, but we didn't. You can call them excuses if you'd like. We have clear heads going forward and the state of our team is much better, and for that reason we will be much tougher to beat.

As for NMSU, I originally had them 6th, and would put them tied for 4th with USA after seeing how well they've played. This weeks game vs ARKST will tell us a lot, but unfortunately that ARKST offense is on a roll and I don't see them pulling it out.

(10-22-2017 12:09 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(10-22-2017 11:54 AM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  

(10-22-2017 10:04 AM)riburn3 Wrote:  

(10-21-2017 07:47 PM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  

(10-21-2017 07:45 PM)WinstonTheWolf Wrote:  How is NMSU behind ULM and GSU? Crazy!

Because they're 1-2....

Against Troy and App St....and when they played Troy they didn’t get the beat down Georgia State just got.

My sources tell me Troy is beatable.

App hasn't looked great either.

I highly doubt Troy goes anything worse than 4-0 in their next games. USA had three advantages that no one else has: 1) rivalry game 2) USA has a knack for beating teams that are much better than they are 3) USA got us after our biggest win in program history.

I don't think South goes on a big run. They got their big win of the season and will not play that well the rest of the way.

Arkansas State will likely be favored over Troy but I don't think we see a repeat of last year.

Of course it won't be a straight repeat. We won't run the ball down your throat the last 2 quarters because we don't have the running game to get away with that this year.

(10-22-2017 01:15 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-22-2017 12:09 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(10-22-2017 11:54 AM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  

(10-22-2017 10:04 AM)riburn3 Wrote:  

(10-21-2017 07:47 PM)USAJag2011 Wrote:  Because they're 1-2....

Against Troy and App St....and when they played Troy they didn’t get the beat down Georgia State just got.

My sources tell me Troy is beatable.

App hasn't looked great either.

I highly doubt Troy goes anything worse than 4-0 in their next games. USA had three advantages that no one else has: 1) rivalry game 2) USA has a knack for beating teams that are much better than they are 3) USA got us after our biggest win in program history.

I don't think South goes on a big run. They got their big win of the season and will not play that well the rest of the way.

Arkansas State will likely be favored over Troy but I don't think we see a repeat of last year.

Of course it won't be a straight repeat. We won't run the ball down your throat the last 2 quarters because we don't have the running game to get away with that this year.

And, I'll gladly thank y'all for that. I will say that this is the one on my calendar as must see tv...but there is a lot of football to be played. Until then...

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