This is kind of loss that take the heart out of the team.

(10-21-2017 04:56 PM)emu79 Wrote:  

(10-21-2017 04:54 PM)FrankAnderson Wrote:  Never seen a Creighton team choke this hard. In front of an enourmous crowd too. Damn it.

Crowd was nice

Well over 10,000 actual close to 1,500 western fans

(10-21-2017 04:59 PM)emu steve Wrote:  I still remind myself that these are young kids playing a man's game and sometimes it shows...

That said, some of the bad plays were real bonehead plays.

No excuse for 15. Dumbest play ever. Sit him please. Maybe red shirt him next year. Kid took a win off the board with stupidity.

Creighton's done a bad job at getting his team prepared for a guy who just got a contract extension + raise over the summer. Good teams don't lose five games in a row by one possession.

(10-21-2017 05:14 PM)emussuperfan Wrote:  This is kind of loss that take the heart out of the team.

That would be a very real fear...

And they need to go on the road Thursday against a good NIU team.

(10-21-2017 05:25 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(10-21-2017 05:14 PM)emussuperfan Wrote:  This is kind of loss that take the heart out of the team.

That would be a very real fear...

And they need to go on the road Thursday against a good NIU team.

Childers looks like a typical NIU QB, too. dynamic kid. Had 312 yards of offense today at Doyt Perry.

Not to mention NIU has a sexy defense.

One good thing: Charlie Batch attended the game. He was hanging around the tailgate lot. I got a picture with him.

(10-21-2017 05:25 PM)NotAlexGillett Wrote:  Creighton's done a bad job at getting his team prepared for a guy who just got a contract extension + raise over the summer. Good teams don't lose five games in a row by one possession.

Very true, yet we have people here who will make excuses about tough schedules. A well prepared coach could have this team undefeated or at worst, with one loss. This is a unique team in the sense that I could envision them winning every remaining game as easy as I could see them losing every game.

(10-21-2017 06:48 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(10-21-2017 05:25 PM)NotAlexGillett Wrote:  Creighton's done a bad job at getting his team prepared for a guy who just got a contract extension + raise over the summer. Good teams don't lose five games in a row by one possession.

Very true, yet we have people here who will make excuses about tough schedules. A well prepared coach could have this team undefeated or at worst, with one loss. This is a unique team in the sense that I could envision them winning every remaining game as easy as I could see them losing every game.

I use statistical metaphors or models and like to use playing blackjack (which are ALMOST 50 - 50 propositions, technically player 48% and the 'house' 52%.).

HOWEVER, who believes that Kentucky was a 50 - 50 game? Do you say it was a 50 - 50 game because it could have gone either way? Anyone 3 months ago give us an equal chance in that game???? Did any rating services have us anywhere near Ky in their rankings? KY was coming off a bowl game and is no slouch. Going by memory I believe KY might have been a 14 point favorite.

Ditto with Toledo. Why should we be a 50 - 50 proposition against the top team in the MAC West and ON THE ROAD? Are we in the same class as Toledo????

Quite frankly, we OVER performed in some game, probably Rutgers, probably Kentucky, probably Toledo, and maybe more.

I think most of us would have been happy with a 3 - 4 record to start the season with wins over Charlotte, Rutgers (hopefully), and either Ohio OR Army OR WMU. The assumption is that 3 or 4 more wins would come from the back end of the season.

Some, including myself, expected a 5 - 7 record because of a very unfavorable schedule. Once we got beyond Rutgers the next 5 teams should all be going bowling. Matter of fact, of our opponents, KY and WMU need one win to go bowl while Ohio, Toledo and Army already have 6 wins. Pretty impressive for those schools. [Even lowly Rutgers has 2 B1G wins so far this year.]

Charlotte was the only weak school we've played.

EMU gave away the Ohio, Army, and WMU games and I had EMU defeating Kentucky based on they not being very good and EMU being highly motivated and confident going into the game. Toledo was a 50/50 proposition, ultimately they having Woodside, an excellent leader, pulled them through.

(10-21-2017 06:56 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(10-21-2017 06:48 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(10-21-2017 05:25 PM)NotAlexGillett Wrote:  Creighton's done a bad job at getting his team prepared for a guy who just got a contract extension + raise over the summer. Good teams don't lose five games in a row by one possession.

Very true, yet we have people here who will make excuses about tough schedules. A well prepared coach could have this team undefeated or at worst, with one loss. This is a unique team in the sense that I could envision them winning every remaining game as easy as I could see them losing every game.

...

Quite frankly, we OVER performed in some game, probably Rutgers, probably Kentucky, probably Toledo, and maybe more.

...

Some, including myself, expected a 5 - 7 record because of a very unfavorable schedule. Once we got beyond Rutgers the next 5 teams should all be going bowling. Matter of fact, of our opponents, KY and WMU need one win to go bowl while Ohio, Toledo and Army already have 6 wins. Pretty impressive for those schools. Even lowly Rutgers has 2 B1G wins so far this year.

imo, we underperformed against Rutgers, but that's besides the point bc EMU ended up on top.

The bottom line is that this coaching staff hasn't put this team (mostly the offense, I can't be mad at the defense) in the best situations to win games. They don't trust Breck Turner. They've used Daugherty & Banham in goal-line situations. They don't care to use the TEs (Kemp) like this team/Roback has been successful in doing in seasons before. The double-reverse after a WMU turnover in a must-score situation backfired hardcore.

This schedule is rough. I feel for this team in respect to having a bunch of games on short rest from here on out, but why make things even harder?

Unfortunately, the offense loses the mental game so much, because they have to play the mental game too much. The defense is out there playing loose and just dominating. The offense keeps playing timid, & it's almost November.

(10-21-2017 07:17 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  EMU gave away the Ohio, Army, and WMU games and I had EMU defeating Kentucky based on they not being very good and EMU being highly motivated and confident going into the game. Toledo was a 50/50 proposition, ultimately they having Woodside, an excellent leader, pulled them through.

Bob, Bob, Bob... Since when are we equal to Toledo, especially on the road....

And Kentucky 'based on they not being very good'. ?????

The fact remains that us playing even with TOL and WMU is an accomplishment. Those two teams have been the creme de la creme of the MAC for a number of years.

(10-21-2017 05:22 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(10-21-2017 04:59 PM)emu steve Wrote:  I still remind myself that these are young kids playing a man's game and sometimes it shows...

That said, some of the bad plays were real bonehead plays.

No excuse for 15. Dumbest play ever. Sit him please. Maybe red shirt him next year. Kid took a win off the board with stupidity.

To go from a TD, to being back WAY on the other side of the field was unbelievable. I made a comment about how the little yellow flag was saving our asses all day. And then in OT, we had TWO penalties to set you up close to the goal line!!! That FG snap skipping across the turf....ugh...man. Has to be one of the most uninspiring wins I've ever witnessed, and a tough tough loss for the Eagles. Chin up brothers; best of luck the rest of the way.

(10-21-2017 07:20 PM)NotAlexGillett Wrote:  

(10-21-2017 06:56 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(10-21-2017 06:48 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  

(10-21-2017 05:25 PM)NotAlexGillett Wrote:  Creighton's done a bad job at getting his team prepared for a guy who just got a contract extension + raise over the summer. Good teams don't lose five games in a row by one possession.

Very true, yet we have people here who will make excuses about tough schedules. A well prepared coach could have this team undefeated or at worst, with one loss. This is a unique team in the sense that I could envision them winning every remaining game as easy as I could see them losing every game.

...

Quite frankly, we OVER performed in some game, probably Rutgers, probably Kentucky, probably Toledo, and maybe more.

...

Some, including myself, expected a 5 - 7 record because of a very unfavorable schedule. Once we got beyond Rutgers the next 5 teams should all be going bowling. Matter of fact, of our opponents, KY and WMU need one win to go bowl while Ohio, Toledo and Army already have 6 wins. Pretty impressive for those schools. Even lowly Rutgers has 2 B1G wins so far this year.

imo, we underperformed against Rutgers, but that's besides the point bc EMU ended up on top.

The bottom line is that this coaching staff hasn't put this team (mostly the offense, I can't be mad at the defense) in the best situations to win games. They don't trust Breck Turner. They've used Daugherty & Banham in goal-line situations. They don't care to use the TEs (Kemp) like this team/Roback has been successful in doing in seasons before. The double-reverse after a WMU turnover in a must-score situation backfired hardcore.

This schedule is rough. I feel for this team in respect to having a bunch of games on short rest from here on out, but why make things even harder?

Unfortunately, the offense loses the mental game so much, because they have to play the mental game too much. The defense is out there playing loose and just dominating. The offense keeps playing timid, & it's almost November.

Perfect summary. Didn't think there was a more terrible way to lose a game than the Roback Ohio pick 6 just before half.............until Aristilde topped it with the worst play I've seen in my lifetime, to lose another game with a single play.

So much questionable play calling, just wow.

Such a beautiful day, great crowd, so disappointing. smh

Dear Friends,
I really have to disagree with the penalty call on Aristilde. Yes, he should not have even attempted to block the Western player, but he hit him on his side. It was not a block from behind. Terrible call by the referee.
The worst call was the swing pass on third down in overtime. Our bread and butter play, in that situation, has been the throw to the corner of the end zone. If not that, run up the gut with our 245 lb. Robinson.
This team just can't win. We will probably lose at Northern Illinois next week, for our sixth loss in a row. What a disappointing season.

(10-21-2017 10:21 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear Friends,
I really have to disagree with the penalty call on Aristilde. Yes, he should not have even attempted to block the Western player, but he hit him on his side. It was not a block from behind. Terrible call by the referee.
The worst call was the swing pass on third down in overtime. Our bread and butter play, in that situation, has been the throw to the corner of the end zone. If not that, run up the gut with our 245 lb. Robinson.
This team just can't win. We will probably lose at Northern Illinois next week, for our sixth loss in a row. What a disappointing season.

I'm wishy-washy on the Aristilde argument, but I'm also not a smart person.

You're spot-on with the tiff on the swing pass. Take a shot in the end zone; definitely a situation where you need to get the ball to your playmakers. Eriksen's an okay back that can get tough yards, but he's not a playmaker, and should've just been a blocking back.

Good points, KB.

(10-21-2017 10:21 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear Friends,
I really have to disagree with the penalty call on Aristilde. Yes, he should not have even attempted to block the Western player, but he hit him on his side. It was not a block from behind. Terrible call by the referee.
The worst call was the swing pass on third down in overtime. Our bread and butter play, in that situation, has been the throw to the corner of the end zone. If not that, run up the gut with our 245 lb. Robinson.
This team just can't win. We will probably lose at Northern Illinois next week, for our sixth loss in a row. What a disappointing season.

Aristilde had no business making a questionable block on someone watching our guy score. I've watched him stand on the sidelines and pout....... this kid is too risky to play and he removed a win from his teammates and possibly from all of them going to a bowl. I am not sure what was more dumb Aristilde block or Keens reverse call after we recovered a fumble at midfield. We drove down for a touchdown on the previous possession. Both of these guys could cost CC a job. I'm not calling for CC's job, but a fourth year coach can not lose to a first year coach playing with a back up QB.

I just want the season to be over.

(10-21-2017 07:37 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(10-21-2017 07:17 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  EMU gave away the Ohio, Army, and WMU games and I had EMU defeating Kentucky based on they not being very good and EMU being highly motivated and confident going into the game. Toledo was a 50/50 proposition, ultimately they having Woodside, an excellent leader, pulled them through.

Bob, Bob, Bob... Since when are we equal to Toledo, especially on the road....

And Kentucky 'based on they not being very good'. ?????

The fact remains that us playing even with TOL and WMU is an accomplishment. Those two teams have been the creme de la creme of the MAC for a number of years.

Steve, bottom line the offensive coaches are failing this team big time. CC must consider moving Keen back to ST coach and take a chance with an up and coming OC. If Neathery leaves (I wouldn't blame him), CC would be out of work the following season. Neathery is the only reason these games are close. The offense and Special Teams are "Not for Real"

(10-21-2017 10:21 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear Friends,
I really have to disagree with the penalty call on Aristilde. Yes, he should not have even attempted to block the Western player, but he hit him on his side. It was not a block from behind. Terrible call by the referee.
The worst call was the swing pass on third down in overtime. Our bread and butter play, in that situation, has been the throw to the corner of the end zone. If not that, run up the gut with our 245 lb. Robinson.
This team just can't win. We will probably lose at Northern Illinois next week, for our sixth loss in a row. What a disappointing season.

I'm still convinced 100% that the penalty on #15 cost us the game. If he were to have a random moment of brilliance and not touched that guy emu would have had the TD. The sideline penalty was after the play and would have been marked off on the kickoff.