(09-19-2017 08:24 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Might as well call this like it is. A lot of people like to hide behind the curtain of Liberty being Internet U, when the reality is Liberty's mission and purpose, especially their stance on homosexuality, goes against their personal liberal beliefs. People just need to be honest about it. I don't see much difference in the Mormon's stance on the subject, but yet there is no vicious crusade against BYU.

"The law of chastity of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) states that "sexual relations are proper only between a man and a woman who are legally and lawfully wedded as husband and wife."[1] In principle, this commandment forbids all same-sex sexual behavior (whether intra-marriage or extramarital). Homosexuality-related violations of the law of chastity may result in church discipline."

(09-20-2017 08:13 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 08:24 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Might as well call this like it is. A lot of people like to hide behind the curtain of Liberty being Internet U, when the reality is Liberty's mission and purpose, especially their stance on homosexuality, goes against their personal liberal beliefs. People just need to be honest about it. I don't see much difference in the Mormon's stance on the subject, but yet there is no vicious crusade against BYU.

"The law of chastity of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) states that "sexual relations are proper only between a man and a woman who are legally and lawfully wedded as husband and wife."[1] In principle, this commandment forbids all same-sex sexual behavior (whether intra-marriage or extramarital). Homosexuality-related violations of the law of chastity may result in church discipline."

Yea, but BYU's president did not blame homosexuals for 9/11. I'm all for freedom of religion and speech, but they have consequences. I don't blame our presidents, who do not want to be associated with a University that has a track record of making really ignorant statements. It is hypocritical people who are fighting to not do business with homosexuals, because of personal beliefs, are screaming others need to be forced to do business with them.

(09-20-2017 07:50 AM)runamuck Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 05:20 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  The reason I am not for adding Liberty to CUSA at this time is that CUSA doesn't need to add ANYBODY right now (neither does the Sun Belt). It has nothing to do with discrimination due to religion or politics as far as I personally am concerned. I do agree with Falwell in that Liberty seems to be the target of levels of animosity not usually shown to other religion based schools. Notre Dame, Holy Cross, Baylor, TCU, SMU, etc., all seem to coexist with the heathen institutions. Why is everybody so dead against Liberty's religious views when they're seeming OK with those of Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, and independent Christians?

Liberty is just at the point where schools like baylor and tcu were not that long ago when only the most devout kids went there and they had a very strict culture..no dancing or partying for example. they realized they were going to have to change their ways to get the most talented kids which more often than not were the inner city types whose lifestyles didnt mesh with the culture of those school at the time. when I was in college, I didnt know a single person that went to any of those schools that wasnt pretty religious plus they were and still are very expensive. I imagine liberty will eventually mellow out and be just like every place else.

No they are not. Those schools are actual research universitiies.

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(09-20-2017 08:13 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 08:24 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Might as well call this like it is. A lot of people like to hide behind the curtain of Liberty being Internet U, when the reality is Liberty's mission and purpose, especially their stance on homosexuality, goes against their personal liberal beliefs. People just need to be honest about it. I don't see much difference in the Mormon's stance on the subject, but yet there is no vicious crusade against BYU.

"The law of chastity of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) states that "sexual relations are proper only between a man and a woman who are legally and lawfully wedded as husband and wife."[1] In principle, this commandment forbids all same-sex sexual behavior (whether intra-marriage or extramarital). Homosexuality-related violations of the law of chastity may result in church discipline."

Message boards didn't keep them out of a conference. Conference Presidents did.So Liberty instead of accusing people should maybe think, if all of FBS is saying PASS, who is the problem, 120 presidents or me? The more research you do about Liberty it becomes very apparent that they more closely resemble a for profit school like AIU than they do TCU. That is a bigger issue than their religious stance and politics which are just icing.

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Liberty has better schedules than both the Slumbelch and CDOA.

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It has nothing to do with their stance on homosexuality for me. They have required classes in creationism and evangelism. There's a student code of conduct called "the Liberty Way" that bans cursing, dancing, r-rated movies, pornography, and hugs that last longer than 3 seconds, and establishes a curfew where students have to ask permission to leave campus. Liberty exists for the sole purpose of indoctrination not education (unlike TCU, Baylor, ND, etc) and the part that I have the biggest problem with is that Falwell uses the university has both a platform and a purse to push his views into mainstream politics. If you want to accuse me of hating them just for their views on homosexuality so be it, but like I said earlier, there's a difference between hold Christian conservative beliefs and being an @$$hole.

(09-20-2017 08:57 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  Liberty has better schedules than both the Slumbelch and CDOA.

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I'm sure if any sunbelt school or CUSA school had print-at-home diplomas, we could just throw money at anyone who will schedule us too

(09-20-2017 08:57 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  Liberty has better schedules than both the Slumbelch and CDOA.

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(09-20-2017 05:20 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  The reason I am not for adding Liberty to CUSA at this time is that CUSA doesn't need to add ANYBODY right now (neither does the Sun Belt). It has nothing to do with discrimination due to religion or politics as far as I personally am concerned. I do agree with Falwell in that Liberty seems to be the target of levels of animosity not usually shown to other religion based schools. Notre Dame, Holy Cross, Baylor, TCU, SMU, etc., all seem to coexist with the heathen institutions. Why is everybody so dead against Liberty's religious views when they're seeming OK with those of Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, and independent Christians?

Good post . . I agree.

(09-20-2017 08:57 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  Liberty has better schedules than both the Slumbelch and CDOA.

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Looks like ECU needs to do a better job of scheduling if they plan on winning a game.

(09-20-2017 09:06 AM)RedWolfington Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 08:57 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  Liberty has better schedules than both the Slumbelch and CDOA.

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how many of y'all are getting home and home series with Virginia Tech, BYU, Army, Duke, Syracuse, Wake Forest... plus not being locked into your garbage conference games? That flexibility alone is a huge plus for them.

(09-19-2017 08:15 PM)airtroop Wrote:  Just a couple of quotes from the article... click this link to read in its entirety:

Quote:Liberty University chancellor Jerry Falwell Jr. leaves no doubt about where he stands on most issues. He's outspokenly conservative, ardently Pro-Life and a dedicated supporter of President Trump.

So perhaps it shouldn't have come as a surprise that he expressed a pretty sharp opinion on the recent revelation that Conference USA turned down a $24 million offer from Liberty last fall to join the league.

I broke the story in a column that ran in The Virginian-Pilot on Sept. 8.

Falwell Tweeted a link to my story with the following comment: "Few bigoted U pres big on diversity & inclusion (except 4 conservatives) vetoed LU from Sun Belt, CUSA. It backfired... "

SNIP!!!

Quote:"... An interesting aside: You can draw the inference from Falwell's Tweet that Liberty made the same $24 million offer to the Sun Belt Conference, which also turned down the Flames. If true, it's a startling revelation. ..."

He also goes on to point out all of the MANY private schools have held membership in C-USA... interesting read in the middle of the week anyway.

Pot meet Kettle, Jerry, Jr.

looks like the following schools have ZERO P5's scheduled at home going forward....

Ark State, Georgia Southern, USA, Ooh La La.... the rest are lucky to have one or 2.

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Yea, but BYU's president did not blame homosexuals for 9/11.
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Not that I'm taking up for Falwell, but I'm pretty sure Falwell's actual quote was that he blamed the secularization of America. Homosexuality was included, but if I recall he mentioned abortion and many other things that he felt that God was displeased with.

(09-20-2017 09:21 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 09:06 AM)RedWolfington Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 08:57 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  Liberty has better schedules than both the Slumbelch and CDOA.

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how many of y'all are getting home and home series with Virginia Tech, BYU, Army, Duke, Syracuse, Wake Forest... plus not being locked into your garbage conference games? That flexibility alone is a huge plus for them.

Okay then y'all can add them to AAC. We literally couldn't care less.

If ECU remains at the very bottom of the FBS like y'all have been, they might just replace you

(09-20-2017 08:57 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  Liberty has better schedules than both the Slumbelch and CDOA.

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Thanks for coming. Do come back when you actually manage to win a football game.

(09-20-2017 09:26 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  looks like the following schools have ZERO P5's scheduled at home going forward....

Ark State, Georgia Southern, USA, Ooh La La.... the rest are lucky to have one or 2.

Wait...who kicked Iowa State out of the Big 12?

(09-20-2017 09:56 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 09:26 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  looks like the following schools have ZERO P5's scheduled at home going forward....

Ark State, Georgia Southern, USA, Ooh La La.... the rest are lucky to have one or 2.

Wait...who kicked Iowa State out of the Big 12?

Oops.... Liberty still has you beat by a long shot.

(09-20-2017 10:01 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 09:56 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 09:26 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  looks like the following schools have ZERO P5's scheduled at home going forward....

Ark State, Georgia Southern, USA, Ooh La La.... the rest are lucky to have one or 2.

Wait...who kicked Iowa State out of the Big 12?

Oops.... Liberty still has you beat by a long shot.

What does any of this have to do with the conversation at hand?

(09-20-2017 09:21 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 09:06 AM)RedWolfington Wrote:  

(09-20-2017 08:57 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  Liberty has better schedules than both the Slumbelch and CDOA.

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how many of y'all are getting home and home series with Virginia Tech, BYU, Army, Duke, Syracuse, Wake Forest... plus not being locked into your garbage conference games? That flexibility alone is a huge plus for them.

Looks like Liberty is doing better then ECU, you guys should go Indy again.