I'm just glad we are playing in the sun belt this year. No one has has shown much this year the conference is down all around. We'll just have to wait and see how conference goes cuz right now nmst looks the best but they beat nmex last year and still sucked. I still think we have a shot at winning the conference or atleart going out bowl eligible. We will get another measuring stick game this weekend with Western Michigan

(09-11-2017 04:49 PM)LewyVandal Wrote:  I'm just glad we are playing in the sun belt this year. No one has has shown much this year the conference is down all around. We'll just have to wait and see how conference goes cuz right now nmst looks the best but they beat nmex last year and still sucked. I still think we have a shot at winning the conference or atleart going out bowl eligible. We will get another measuring stick game this weekend with Western Michigan

UNLV was the first measuring stick game and it didn't go well. I don't see anyway Idaho wins this conference but I don't think it's impossible to get to 6 wins if they just execute the damn plays. If they continue to play like they did against UNLV they'll win maybe 2 more games.

(09-11-2017 04:49 PM)LewyVandal Wrote:  I'm just glad we are playing in the sun belt this year. No one has has shown much this year the conference is down all around. We'll just have to wait and see how conference goes cuz right now nmst looks the best but they beat nmex last year and still sucked. I still think we have a shot at winning the conference or atleart going out bowl eligible. We will get another measuring stick game this weekend with Western Michigan

Arkansas State is the best team in this league.

Don’t go forgetting that.


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(09-11-2017 04:56 PM)WolfBird Wrote:  

(09-11-2017 04:49 PM)LewyVandal Wrote:  I'm just glad we are playing in the sun belt this year. No one has has shown much this year the conference is down all around. We'll just have to wait and see how conference goes cuz right now nmst looks the best but they beat nmex last year and still sucked. I still think we have a shot at winning the conference or atleart going out bowl eligible. We will get another measuring stick game this weekend with Western Michigan

Arkansas State is the best team in this league.

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Damn straight. Nobody expected us to come out of Miami week with this record.

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(09-11-2017 02:37 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(09-10-2017 01:54 AM)Cave_Johnson Wrote:  

(09-10-2017 12:09 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  The Idaho alums I know are happy they are moving back. They are tired of losing.


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Dropping down =/= automatic success despite what the ignorant may believe. It's just as likely Idaho becomes Idaho State as it is they become Eastern Washington.

Instead of just becoming Eastern Washington why would they just not become Idaho again. In the mid 80s to when Idaho moved up they were always fighting for one of the top 3 spots in the Big Sky. For a while they were the class of the Big Sky and used to dominate the Jr college in Boise.

I was just using EWU as an example. Idaho got lucky with Erickson in the 80's and picked his coaching tree dry until they got a bad apple. Prior to that they were mediocre at best in the same conference against the same competition. I don't think they'll ever be Idaho State bad with Petrino but if he leaves they're one bad coaching hire away from losing to Northern Colorado every year. Good news is that the Big Sky looks like it's on the decline with the best team (UND) leaving for the MVFC, EWU losing their coach, and the Montanas being in a bit of a slump.

Realistically I see a lot of 6-5 type seasons on the horizon as an FCS school. 2 FBS road games every year for the next 5 years plus they're losing 6 big contributors on offense next year with another wave of talented guys on D leaving the year after. Yeah...probably gonna be 3 years until they might make the playoffs and another 3 years before they might be able to get back to winning 8+ a year. They might also hire another Tom Cable after Petrino takes off and lose to College of Idaho. Either way best case in the immediate future is being a mediocre FCS school. And if that's the case they might as well not be playing football.

(09-11-2017 01:14 PM)riburn3 Wrote:  In the current climate, it's probably a smart move if your athletics department isn't dependent on football revenues to function . I'm sure average fans are much more interested in you all playing your traditional rivals in the Big Sky versus playing a bunch of teams they've never heard of in the Southeast (and gate revenue might actually improve with said rivals coming every other week). Plus, it's not like FCS programs still can't schedule money games. I think Idaho's decision to go down to FCS is a smart one.

On the flip side I believe the major reason NMSU decided to stick around as an independent is because their historic rivals remain FBS teams, and they have home and home series locked up with them until the end of time, making scheduling that much easier. I know if UNM and UTEP were to decide to drop down to FCS, NMSU would in a heartbeat.

If anything though, the move might just be temporary if your school wants it to be. A big shake up is looming several years down the road in 2023 when P5 TV contracts are up for renewal, and it will be the larger G5 schools that get plucked away, opening up room in conferences like the MWC and CUSA. Remember, if UAB could completely dismantle its football program and start it again from scratch, Idaho can come back up.

Idaho's historic rivals are WSU, Boise, and Montana. 2 of the three play FBS ball. Yeah NMSU has UNM and UTEP to fall back on. But if you look at what Idaho COULD have done had they not announced that they were giving up a year and a half ago their 2018 schedule would have been:

@ Florida (still scheduled)
@ Fresno State (still scheduled)
@ Northern Illinois (rescheduled after the FCS drop was announced)
vs. Wyoming (game removed after FCS drop was announced)
@ or vs. NMSU (guaranteed collaboration between the two schools)
@ or vs. Liberty (extremely likely)
@ or vs. UMass (likely)
vs. FCS opponent (extremely likely)
vs. Nevada (likely a return trip from the series that was cancelled in 2017 after the FCS drop was announced)
@ BYU (not as likely as those list above, but a good possibility)

Now you're looking at 2-3 games that need scheduled. It's likely a Sun Belt team or two would have added Idaho like they did NMSU. Then you have the possibility of playing teams twice. If we're on NMSU's schedule for instance it removes Liberty once, TSU, Georgia Southern, or ULL from their schedule and allows Idaho to pick up a game.

Then in the future you're looking at an FCS team, NMSU, UMass, and Liberty likely every year. WSU, and BYU every other year most likely plus Idaho already has 2 FBS games scheduled every year for the next 5 years not counting teams like SJSU and Wyoming who pulled out of a series. That's 7-8 a year that were likely good to go for the next 5 years if they wanted it including 2 big money games most years.

I'd disagree with you about Idaho coming back anytime soon. Once they drop down they will be there until a major shift like the P5 breaking away from the G5 completely occurs. That's 10-15 years out IMO.

(09-11-2017 05:10 PM)Cave_Johnson Wrote:  

(09-11-2017 02:37 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(09-10-2017 01:54 AM)Cave_Johnson Wrote:  

(09-10-2017 12:09 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  The Idaho alums I know are happy they are moving back. They are tired of losing.


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Dropping down =/= automatic success despite what the ignorant may believe. It's just as likely Idaho becomes Idaho State as it is they become Eastern Washington.

Instead of just becoming Eastern Washington why would they just not become Idaho again. In the mid 80s to when Idaho moved up they were always fighting for one of the top 3 spots in the Big Sky. For a while they were the class of the Big Sky and used to dominate the Jr college in Boise.

I was just using EWU as an example. Idaho got lucky with Erickson in the 80's and picked his coaching tree dry until they got a bad apple. Prior to that they were mediocre at best in the same conference against the same competition. I don't think they'll ever be Idaho State bad with Petrino but if he leaves they're one bad coaching hire away from losing to Northern Colorado every year. Good news is that the Big Sky looks like it's on the decline with the best team (UND) leaving for the MVFC, EWU losing their coach, and the Montanas being in a bit of a slump.

Realistically I see a lot of 6-5 type seasons on the horizon as an FCS school. 2 FBS road games every year for the next 5 years plus they're losing 6 big contributors on offense next year with another wave of talented guys on D leaving the year after. Yeah...probably gonna be 3 years until they might make the playoffs and another 3 years before they might be able to get back to winning 8+ a year. They might also hire another Tom Cable after Petrino takes off and lose to College of Idaho. Either way best case in the immediate future is being a mediocre FCS school. And if that's the case they might as well not be playing football.

I would take any scenario of Maverick football. The thought of going to Maverick Stadium to see UTA play, not a high school team, makes me dream. I have literally had many dreams where that was the case.

When I hear a team with an actual program saying they should drop it, I shake my head.

(09-11-2017 06:50 PM)FoUTASportscaster Wrote:  I would take any scenario of Maverick football. The thought of going to Maverick Stadium to see UTA play, not a high school team, makes me dream. I have literally had many dreams where that was the case.

When I hear a team with an actual program saying they should drop it, I shake my head.

That last sentence was more of a statement about how irrelevant FCS football is if you're not a top 10 team every single year than a call to actually drop the program.

I do however think that dropping football is a more responsible way to save money than dropping down a division with no plan in place.

This move is apparently partly a financial issue. However I don't think Staben realizes that funding fewer scholarships and saving money on 4 plane trips a year doesn't offset the money lost from the College Football Playoff, FBS money games, booster donations, or decreases in ticket sales (not that this was bringing in a lot to begin with). This move is not going to save $.

If they really want to save money they have to make bigger cuts. That means going FCS non-scholarship or cutting the sport.

I'm sorry, did I go to the SEC forum by mistake? The sun belt has no ability to look down on any other program in the country.

Idaho is 1-1 and tied for 2nd in the conference.
Idaho finished ahead of 7 SBC programs last year.
Idaho has won 3 bowl games.
Idaho is 11-5 in the last 16 games.

How many SBC programs can match or better that? This thread is absolutely hilarious. Keep thumping your chest sun belt, I'm sure everyone is soooooo impressed!

(09-12-2017 07:04 PM)nsavandal09 Wrote:  I'm sorry, did I go to the SEC forum by mistake? The sun belt has no ability to look down on any other program in the country.

Idaho is 1-1 and tied for 2nd in the conference.
Idaho finished ahead of 7 SBC programs last year.
Idaho has won 3 bowl games.
Idaho is 11-5 in the last 16 games.

How many SBC programs can match or better that? This thread is absolutely hilarious. Keep thumping your chest sun belt, I'm sure everyone is soooooo impressed!

Yeah.

An Idaho fan talking ****.

That’s hilarious.


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(09-12-2017 07:04 PM)nsavandal09 Wrote:  I'm sorry, did I go to the SEC forum by mistake? The sun belt has no ability to look down on any other program in the country.

Idaho is 1-1 and tied for 2nd in the conference.
Idaho finished ahead of 7 SBC programs last year.
Idaho has won 3 bowl games.
Idaho is 11-5 in the last 16 games.

How many SBC programs can match or better that? This thread is absolutely hilarious. Keep thumping your chest sun belt, I'm sure everyone is soooooo impressed!

Well in two years of being allowed to play in bowls, we've won 2. We're 12-4 in our last 16 games, with three of those losses to ranked teams (and one that became ranked after beating us). We finished ahead of 9 Sun Belt teams last year, and tied one. We're also 1-1 and tied for second in the conference (but at least we didn't lose by 28 to a team that lost to Howard).

When one of your fans starts a thread like this, you better hope your team can back it up.

(09-12-2017 07:04 PM)nsavandal09 Wrote:  I'm sorry, did I go to the SEC forum by mistake? The sun belt has no ability to look down on any other program in the country.

Idaho is 1-1 and tied for 2nd in the conference.
Idaho finished ahead of 7 SBC programs last year.
Idaho has won 3 bowl games.
Idaho is 11-5 in the last 16 games.

How many SBC programs can match or better that? This thread is absolutely hilarious. Keep thumping your chest sun belt, I'm sure everyone is soooooo impressed!

Eh, I'd love it if Idaho could keep playing in the Sun Belt. Beats the hell out of the Big Sky.

Also this thread is hilarious, but it's mostly because of instant crow-eating.

(09-12-2017 07:04 PM)nsavandal09 Wrote:  I'm sorry, did I go to the SEC forum by mistake? The sun belt has no ability to look down on any other program in the country.

Idaho is 1-1 and tied for 2nd in the conference.
Idaho finished ahead of 7 SBC programs last year.
Idaho has won 3 bowl games.
Idaho is 11-5 in the last 16 games.

How many SBC programs can match or better that? This thread is absolutely hilarious. Keep thumping your chest sun belt, I'm sure everyone is soooooo impressed!

This is about the most grasping at straws post I have even seen. Talk about cherry picking, what about this century lol. About the only FBS accomplishment you have is a .500 record against teams in the Sun Belt with most of the wins coming from NMSU then TXST, GaST and ULM, bravo. Hopefully GaSt evens it up at 1-1 before you leave. Every other conference and every other team in the FBS you have a losing record every single team. That is crazy.

Idaho is in the FBS? Who knew?

(09-13-2017 08:30 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 07:04 PM)nsavandal09 Wrote:  I'm sorry, did I go to the SEC forum by mistake? The sun belt has no ability to look down on any other program in the country.

Idaho is 1-1 and tied for 2nd in the conference.
Idaho finished ahead of 7 SBC programs last year.
Idaho has won 3 bowl games.
Idaho is 11-5 in the last 16 games.

How many SBC programs can match or better that? This thread is absolutely hilarious. Keep thumping your chest sun belt, I'm sure everyone is soooooo impressed!

This is about the most grasping at straws post I have even seen. Talk about cherry picking, what about this century lol. About the only FBS accomplishment you have is a .500 record against teams in the Sun Belt with most of the wins coming from NMSU then TXST, GaST and ULM, bravo. Hopefully GaSt evens it up at 1-1 before you leave. Every other conference and every other team in the FBS you have a losing record every single team. That is crazy.

While I hate this thread and everything in it, I will say that the lack of awareness many Georgia Southern fans seem to have of the glass house being built around them is amusing. I'll bet on two things:

1. Idaho will finish this year with a better record than Georgia Southern.
2. Georgia Southern will finish its first four years in FBS football with a worse winning percentage than Idaho had after its first four.

Also, we don't have a losing record against every other FBS team. We had a winning record against UNLV, for example, until Saturday moved us to .500 against them. Same deal with Colorado St. after our bowl win last year. Those are off the top of my head and I don't know if there are others.

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(09-13-2017 10:06 AM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 08:30 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 07:04 PM)nsavandal09 Wrote:  I'm sorry, did I go to the SEC forum by mistake? The sun belt has no ability to look down on any other program in the country.

Idaho is 1-1 and tied for 2nd in the conference.
Idaho finished ahead of 7 SBC programs last year.
Idaho has won 3 bowl games.
Idaho is 11-5 in the last 16 games.

How many SBC programs can match or better that? This thread is absolutely hilarious. Keep thumping your chest sun belt, I'm sure everyone is soooooo impressed!

This is about the most grasping at straws post I have even seen. Talk about cherry picking, what about this century lol. About the only FBS accomplishment you have is a .500 record against teams in the Sun Belt with most of the wins coming from NMSU then TXST, GaST and ULM, bravo. Hopefully GaSt evens it up at 1-1 before you leave. Every other conference and every other team in the FBS you have a losing record every single team. That is crazy.

While I hate this thread and everything in it, I will say that the lack of awareness many Georgia Southern fans seem to have of the glass house being built around them is amusing. I'll bet on two things:

1. Idaho will finish this year with a better record than Georgia Southern.
2. Georgia Southern will finish its first four years in FBS football with a worse winning percentage than Idaho had after its first four.

Also, we don't have a losing record against every other FBS team. We had a winning record against UNLV, for example, until Saturday moved us to .500 against them. Same deal with Colorado St. after our bowl win last year. Those are off the top of my head and I don't know if there are others.

That's neato. Be sure to share all those stats with your new rivals, Portland State, next year.

(09-13-2017 10:43 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 10:06 AM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 08:30 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 07:04 PM)nsavandal09 Wrote:  I'm sorry, did I go to the SEC forum by mistake? The sun belt has no ability to look down on any other program in the country.

Idaho is 1-1 and tied for 2nd in the conference.
Idaho finished ahead of 7 SBC programs last year.
Idaho has won 3 bowl games.
Idaho is 11-5 in the last 16 games.

How many SBC programs can match or better that? This thread is absolutely hilarious. Keep thumping your chest sun belt, I'm sure everyone is soooooo impressed!

This is about the most grasping at straws post I have even seen. Talk about cherry picking, what about this century lol. About the only FBS accomplishment you have is a .500 record against teams in the Sun Belt with most of the wins coming from NMSU then TXST, GaST and ULM, bravo. Hopefully GaSt evens it up at 1-1 before you leave. Every other conference and every other team in the FBS you have a losing record every single team. That is crazy.

While I hate this thread and everything in it, I will say that the lack of awareness many Georgia Southern fans seem to have of the glass house being built around them is amusing. I'll bet on two things:

1. Idaho will finish this year with a better record than Georgia Southern.
2. Georgia Southern will finish its first four years in FBS football with a worse winning percentage than Idaho had after its first four.

Also, we don't have a losing record against every other FBS team. We had a winning record against UNLV, for example, until Saturday moved us to .500 against them. Same deal with Colorado St. after our bowl win last year. Those are off the top of my head and I don't know if there are others.

That's neato. Be sure to share all those stats with your new rivals, Portland State, next year.

Please people, no nukes. Think of the children.

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(09-13-2017 10:06 AM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 08:30 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 07:04 PM)nsavandal09 Wrote:  I'm sorry, did I go to the SEC forum by mistake? The sun belt has no ability to look down on any other program in the country.

Idaho is 1-1 and tied for 2nd in the conference.
Idaho finished ahead of 7 SBC programs last year.
Idaho has won 3 bowl games.
Idaho is 11-5 in the last 16 games.

How many SBC programs can match or better that? This thread is absolutely hilarious. Keep thumping your chest sun belt, I'm sure everyone is soooooo impressed!

This is about the most grasping at straws post I have even seen. Talk about cherry picking, what about this century lol. About the only FBS accomplishment you have is a .500 record against teams in the Sun Belt with most of the wins coming from NMSU then TXST, GaST and ULM, bravo. Hopefully GaSt evens it up at 1-1 before you leave. Every other conference and every other team in the FBS you have a losing record every single team. That is crazy.

While I hate this thread and everything in it, I will say that the lack of awareness many Georgia Southern fans seem to have of the glass house being built around them is amusing. I'll bet on two things:

1. Idaho will finish this year with a better record than Georgia Southern.
2. Georgia Southern will finish its first four years in FBS football with a worse winning percentage than Idaho had after its first four.

Also, we don't have a losing record against every other FBS team. We had a winning record against UNLV, for example, until Saturday moved us to .500 against them. Same deal with Colorado St. after our bowl win last year. Those are off the top of my head and I don't know if there are others.

When we go 5-7, it's a catastrophe and the fan base is as mad as fire and the coach almost gets fired after one year.

When Idaho goes 5-7, it's just another season in Moscow. The idea that Idaho is a comparable program to Georgia Southern cracks me up.

(09-13-2017 12:09 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 10:06 AM)LatahCounty Wrote:  

(09-13-2017 08:30 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(09-12-2017 07:04 PM)nsavandal09 Wrote:  I'm sorry, did I go to the SEC forum by mistake? The sun belt has no ability to look down on any other program in the country.

Idaho is 1-1 and tied for 2nd in the conference.
Idaho finished ahead of 7 SBC programs last year.
Idaho has won 3 bowl games.
Idaho is 11-5 in the last 16 games.

How many SBC programs can match or better that? This thread is absolutely hilarious. Keep thumping your chest sun belt, I'm sure everyone is soooooo impressed!

This is about the most grasping at straws post I have even seen. Talk about cherry picking, what about this century lol. About the only FBS accomplishment you have is a .500 record against teams in the Sun Belt with most of the wins coming from NMSU then TXST, GaST and ULM, bravo. Hopefully GaSt evens it up at 1-1 before you leave. Every other conference and every other team in the FBS you have a losing record every single team. That is crazy.

While I hate this thread and everything in it, I will say that the lack of awareness many Georgia Southern fans seem to have of the glass house being built around them is amusing. I'll bet on two things:

1. Idaho will finish this year with a better record than Georgia Southern.
2. Georgia Southern will finish its first four years in FBS football with a worse winning percentage than Idaho had after its first four.

Also, we don't have a losing record against every other FBS team. We had a winning record against UNLV, for example, until Saturday moved us to .500 against them. Same deal with Colorado St. after our bowl win last year. Those are off the top of my head and I don't know if there are others.

When we go 5-7, it's a catastrophe and the fan base is as mad as fire and the coach almost gets fired after one year.

When Idaho goes 5-7, it's just another season in Moscow. The idea that Idaho is a comparable program to Georgia Southern cracks me up.

You're right. You're way ahead of us. Idaho didn't go into the toilet until its 6th year of FBS. You're already there in Year 4. Congrats. And your coach is still there.

I understand and accept that CFP changes and geography make it hard to keep Idaho in the Sun Belt and I have nothing but goodwill toward this conference. I only react when people start to sound like Idaho isn't worthy of the rest of this conference because it just isn't true.