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Divisionless Football Conferences?
While I'm not really a fan of abandoning divisions, doing so would allow for a schedule in which even a school in a conference of 14 could play all the other schools in the conference at least twice in 4 years (and with only an 8-game conference schedule). I was inspired by this article. Basically, for a 14-team conference, each team gets 3 protected annual matchups and alternates between half of the other 10 opponents every 2 years. The author proposes a different scheme for the ACC, adding ND as a full member and having 4 protected matchups. Here I'm working with the ACC as is and giving them 3 protected matchups like the Big Ten and SEC. I also changed some of the matchups around in each conference. I tried to retain traditional/desired rivalries while still remaining somewhat competitively balanced.

The last 2 columns for the ACC, Big Ten, and SEC are the matchups I'd add if the conferences wanted to expand to 4 or 5 protected matchups. Having 5 protected matchups works well with a 9-game conference schedule, permitting each team to play all other teams at least twice in 4 years.

ACC
Code:
BOSTON COLLEGE  Syracuse        Miami-FL        Pittsburgh     | Virginia       | Louisville      
CLEMSON         Georgia Tech    Florida State   NC State       | Virginia Tech  | Miami-FL        
DUKE            Wake Forest     Georgia Tech    North Carolina | NC State       | Virginia        
FLORIDA STATE   Miami-FL        Clemson         Georgia Tech   | Louisville     | Virginia Tech  
GEORGIA TECH    Clemson         Duke            Florida State  | Pittsburgh     | North Carolina  
LOUISVILLE      Pittsburgh      Virginia Tech   Syracuse       | Florida State  | Boston College  
MIAMI-FL        Florida State   Boston College  Virginia Tech  | Syracuse       | Clemson         
NC STATE        North Carolina  Wake Forest     Clemson        | Duke           | Pittsburgh      
NORTH CAROLINA  NC State        Virginia        Duke           | Wake Forest    | Georgia Tech    
PITTSBURGH      Louisville      Syracuse        Boston College | Georgia Tech   | NC State        
SYRACUSE        Boston College  Pittsburgh      Louisville     | Miami-FL       | Wake Forest    
VIRGINIA        Virginia Tech   North Carolina  Wake Forest    | Boston College | Duke            
VIRGINIA TECH   Virginia        Louisville      Miami-FL       | Clemson        | Florida State  
WAKE FOREST     Duke            NC State        Virginia       | North Carolina | Syracuse      

Big Ten
Code:
ILLINOIS        Northwestern    Purdue          Rutgers        | Indiana        | Minnesota      
INDIANA         Purdue          Rutgers         Northwestern   | Illinois       | Michigan State  
IOWA            Nebraska        Wisconsin       Minnesota      | Northwestern   | Ohio State      
MARYLAND        Rutgers         Penn State      Purdue         | Nebraska       | Michigan        
MICHIGAN        Michigan State  Ohio State      Penn State     | Wisconsin      | Maryland        
MICHIGAN STATE  Michigan        Northwestern    Ohio State     | Penn State     | Indiana        
MINNESOTA       Wisconsin       Nebraska        Iowa           | Purdue         | Illinois        
NEBRASKA        Iowa            Minnesota       Wisconsin      | Maryland       | Purdue          
NORTHWESTERN    Illinois        Michigan State  Indiana        | Iowa           | Wisconsin      
OHIO STATE      Penn State      Michigan        Michigan State | Rutgers        | Iowa            
PENN STATE      Ohio State      Maryland        Michigan       | Michigan State | Rutgers        
PURDUE          Indiana         Illinois        Maryland       | Minnesota      | Nebraska        
RUTGERS         Maryland        Indiana         Illinois       | Ohio State     | Penn State      
WISCONSIN       Minnesota       Iowa            Nebraska       | Michigan       | Northwestern

SEC
Code:
ALABAMA         Auburn          Tennessee       LSU            | Georgia        | Florida        
ARKANSAS        Texas A&M       Missouri        Mississippi St | LSU            | Ole Miss        
AUBURN          Alabama         Georgia         Florida        | Mississippi St | Texas A&M      
FLORIDA         Georgia         South Carolina  Auburn         | Tennessee      | Alabama        
GEORGIA         Florida         Auburn          South Carolina | Alabama        | Tennessee      
KENTUCKY        South Carolina  Vanderbilt      Tennessee      | Ole Miss       | Missouri        
LSU             Ole Miss        Texas A&M       Alabama        | Arkansas       | Mississippi St  
MISSISSIPPI ST  Missouri        Ole Miss        Arkansas       | Auburn         | LSU            
MISSOURI        Mississippi St  Arkansas        Texas A&M      | Vanderbilt     | Kentucky        
OLE MISS        LSU             Mississippi St  Vanderbilt     | Kentucky       | Arkansas        
SOUTH CAROLINA  Kentucky        Florida         Georgia        | Texas A&M      | Vanderbilt      
TENNESSEE       Vanderbilt      Alabama         Kentucky       | Florida        | Georgia        
TEXAS A&M       Arkansas        LSU             Missouri       | South Carolina | Auburn          
VANDERBILT      Tennessee       Kentucky        Ole Miss       | Missouri       | South Carolina

I also have one for the Pac-12. The protected matchups were obvious. I suppose they could go with an 8-game schedule, but if they stick with 9 games, every team can play 3 California schools per season. This gives the Northwest and Mountain schools equal access to the coveted SoCal recruiting grounds.

Pac-12
Code:
ARIZONA         Arizona State   Colorado        Utah            
ARIZONA STATE   Arizona         Utah            Colorado        
CALIFORNIA      Stanford        UCLA            USC            
COLORADO        Utah            Arizona         Arizona State  
OREGON          Oregon State    Washington      Washington St  
OREGON STATE    Oregon          Washington St   Washington      
STANFORD        California      USC             UCLA            
UCLA            USC             California      Stanford        
USC             UCLA            Stanford        California      
UTAH            Colorado        Arizona State   Arizona        
WASHINGTON      Washington St   Oregon          Oregon State    
WASHINGTON ST   Washington      Oregon State    Oregon

Here's my setup for the ACC with 15 schools (ND goes all in). Each school has 4 protected matchups.

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BOSTON COLLEGE  Syracuse        BYE/OTHER       Pittsburgh      Notre Dame      Miami-FL        
CLEMSON         Virginia Tech   NC State        Florida State   Georgia Tech    (South Carolina)
DUKE            BYE/OTHER       Georgia Tech    NC State        North Carolina  Wake Forest    
FLORIDA STATE   Georgia Tech    Louisville      Clemson         Miami-FL        (Florida)      
GEORGIA TECH    Florida State   Duke            Notre Dame      Clemson         (Georgia)      
LOUISVILLE      Pittsburgh      Florida State   Syracuse        Virginia Tech   (Kentucky)      
MIAMI-FL        Notre Dame      Virginia Tech   BYE/OTHER       Florida State   Boston College  
NC STATE        BYE/OTHER       Clemson         Duke            Wake Forest     North Carolina  
NORTH CAROLINA  BYE/OTHER       Wake Forest     Virginia        Duke            NC State        
NOTRE DAME      Miami-FL        Pittsburgh      Georgia Tech    Boston College  (Stanford/USC)  
PITTSBURGH      Louisville      Notre Dame      Boston College  BYE/OTHER       Syracuse        
SYRACUSE        Boston College  Virginia        Louisville      BYE/OTHER       Pittsburgh      
VIRGINIA        Wake Forest     Syracuse        North Carolina  BYE/OTHER       Virginia Tech  
VIRGINIA TECH   Clemson         Miami-FL        BYE/OTHER       Louisville      Virginia        
WAKE FOREST     Virginia        North Carolina  BYE/OTHER       NC State        Duke

What do you think of the whole scheme? Any matchups I should change?
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RE: Divisionless Football Conferences?
UNC and Virginia have to play every year it's the oldest rivalry in the south. UNC would scrap Wake Forest
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RE: Divisionless Football Conferences?
Love the PAC 12 structure! Perfect!

Only draw back for the larger conferences is that a team could make the CCG because of an easy schedule, not because they are one of the best teams in the conference.

For instance, let's say Arkansas gets its permanent opponents Missouri, Ole Miss, and Texas A&M and then in a scheduling fluke gets Kentucky, Mississippi St., South Carolina, Vanderbilt, and Auburn. That's about as easy as it gets with an SEC schedule. Conversely, let's say Georgia has Auburn, Florida, South Carolina and then Alabama, LSU, Tennessee, A&M, and Ole Miss.

Arkansas could earn the CCG berth by 2 or 3 games over Georgia, even if Georgia has the clearly better team.

For larger conferences, I would like to see the conference championship expanded to include a semi-final round - where there are three division champions and one wild card participant. That would keep all regions of the conference engaged in the championship hunt, and allow one quality, highly-ranked runner-up the chance to show how good the conference is.
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(08-18-2017 10:06 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  UNC and Virginia have to play every year it's the oldest rivalry in the south. UNC would scrap Wake Forest

OK, I dropped the UNC/WF and Syracuse/UVa matchups in favor of UNC/UVa and Syracuse/WF.

(08-18-2017 10:15 AM)YNot Wrote:  Love the PAC 12 structure! Perfect!

Only draw back for the larger conferences is that a team could make the CCG because of an easy schedule, not because they are one of the best teams in the conference.

For instance, let's say Arkansas gets its permanent opponents Missouri, Ole Miss, and Texas A&M and then in a scheduling fluke gets Kentucky, Mississippi St., South Carolina, Vanderbilt, and Auburn. That's about as easy as it gets with an SEC schedule. Conversely, let's say Georgia has Auburn, Florida, South Carolina and then Alabama, LSU, Tennessee, A&M, and Ole Miss.

Arkansas could earn the CCG berth by 2 or 3 games over Georgia, even if Georgia has the clearly better team.

For larger conferences, I would like to see the conference championship expanded to include a semi-final round - where there are three division champions and one wild card participant. That would keep all regions of the conference engaged in the championship hunt, and allow one quality, highly-ranked runner-up the chance to show how good the conference is.

A team can also make the CCG by means of winning an easy division.
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RE: Divisionless Football Conferences?
Selfishly for Minnesota, it's a big no thanks.

The West teams are more in our level. No desire to play Mich, OSU, or PSU.


But overall, sure it could work. If you don't mind the CCG being the #1 v #2.
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Love it and wish they would do it (they won't). I would personally rather have Illinois than Michigan Statr as our 3rd (our only trophy game) and would rrarrange a few others for trophy type games in the Big Ten, but for thr most part great. Might post more later when on a real computer.
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(08-18-2017 01:06 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  Love it and wish they would do it (they won't). I would personally rather have Illinois than Michigan Statr as our 3rd (our only trophy game) and would rrarrange a few others for trophy type games in the Big Ten, but for thr most part great. Might post more later when on a real computer.

I traded Illinois/Indiana and MSU/OSU for Illinois/OSU and MSU/Indiana.
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(08-18-2017 09:38 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Pac-12
Arizona: Arizona State, Colorado, Utah
Arizona State: Arizona, Colorado, Utah
California: Stanford, UCLA, USC
Colorado: Arizona, Arizona State, Utah
Oregon: Oregon State, Washington, Washington State
Oregon State: Oregon, Washington, Washington State
Stanford: California, UCLA, USC
UCLA: California, Stanford, USC
USC: California, Stanford, UCLA
Utah: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado
Washington: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington State
Washington State: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington

Someone proposed this back when Utah and Colorado first joined, and also came up with a way to do it while still having two football divisions. Their Tumblr page explaining the idea is still up: http://pac12cooler.tumblr.com/post/77380...r-proposal
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(08-18-2017 01:41 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 09:38 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Pac-12
Arizona: Arizona State, Colorado, Utah
Arizona State: Arizona, Colorado, Utah
California: Stanford, UCLA, USC
Colorado: Arizona, Arizona State, Utah
Oregon: Oregon State, Washington, Washington State
Oregon State: Oregon, Washington, Washington State
Stanford: California, UCLA, USC
UCLA: California, Stanford, USC
USC: California, Stanford, UCLA
Utah: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado
Washington: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington State
Washington State: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington

Someone proposed this back when Utah and Colorado first joined, and also came up with a way to do it while still having two football divisions. Their Tumblr page explaining the idea is still up: http://pac12cooler.tumblr.com/post/77380...r-proposal

I'm not big on zipper alignments, but they came up with a very nice setup. There's a lot more you can do with 12 teams than, say, 10 or 14.
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RE: Divisionless Football Conferences?
Think this would probably work better. Florida and LSU do not want to play each other each year, and neither Arkansas nor A&M have any geographic or real historic reason to play South Carolina each year.

SEC
Alabama: Auburn, LSU, Tennessee
Arkansas: Mississippi State, Texas A&M, Missouri
Auburn: Alabama, Georgia, Florida
Florida: Georgia, South Carolina, Auburn
Georgia: Florida, Auburn, South Carolina
Kentucky: South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
LSU: Ole Miss, Alabama, Texas A&M
Mississippi State: Arkansas, Missouri, Ole Miss
Missouri: Texas A&M, Mississippi State, Arkansas
Ole Miss: LSU, Vanderbilt, Mississippi State
South Carolina: Kentucky, Florida, Georgia
Tennessee: Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Alabama
Texas A&M: Missouri, Arkansas, LSU
Vanderbilt: Tennessee, Ole Miss, Kentucky
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(08-18-2017 02:03 PM)CarlSmithCenter Wrote:  Think this would probably work better. Florida and LSU do not want to play each other each year, and neither Arkansas nor A&M have any geographic or real historic reason to play South Carolina each year.

SEC
Alabama: Auburn, LSU, Tennessee
Arkansas: Mississippi State, Texas A&M, Missouri
Auburn: Alabama, Georgia, Florida
Florida: Georgia, South Carolina, Auburn
Georgia: Florida, Auburn, South Carolina
Kentucky: South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
LSU: Ole Miss, Alabama, Texas A&M
Mississippi State: Arkansas, Missouri, Ole Miss
Missouri: Texas A&M, Mississippi State, Arkansas
Ole Miss: LSU, Vanderbilt, Mississippi State
South Carolina: Kentucky, Florida, Georgia
Tennessee: Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Alabama
Texas A&M: Missouri, Arkansas, LSU
Vanderbilt: Tennessee, Ole Miss, Kentucky

I like it. Changes made.
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(08-18-2017 11:33 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 10:06 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  UNC and Virginia have to play every year it's the oldest rivalry in the south. UNC would scrap Wake Forest

OK, I dropped the UNC/WF and Syracuse/UVa matchups in favor of UNC/UVa and Syracuse/WF.

Probably more palatable all the way around to do a three way swap. Clemson/Wake, Syracuse/Miami and UNC/UVA.

Wake is Clemson's second longest opponent behind SC, and after GT and FSU the third ACC team doesn't really matter to us.

Syracuse and Miami have history and Cuse wants to play them more so that makes more sense.
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Round-robin every year is best for tradition, rivalries, and fan-travel, plus with a few non-conference games for variety. So either huge conferences with a championship game that can't duplicate a regular season game, or smaller conferences.
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(08-18-2017 03:58 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 11:33 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 10:06 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  UNC and Virginia have to play every year it's the oldest rivalry in the south. UNC would scrap Wake Forest

OK, I dropped the UNC/WF and Syracuse/UVa matchups in favor of UNC/UVa and Syracuse/WF.

Probably more palatable all the way around to do a three way swap. Clemson/Wake, Syracuse/Miami and UNC/UVA.

Wake is Clemson's second longest opponent behind SC, and after GT and FSU the third ACC team doesn't really matter to us.

Syracuse and Miami have history and Cuse wants to play them more so that makes more sense.

Is the Textile Bowl much of a rivalry?
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(08-18-2017 09:38 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  While I'm not really a fan of abandoning divisions, doing so would allow for a schedule in which even a school in a conference of 14 could play all the other schools in the conference within two years (and with only an 8-game conference schedule). I was inspired by this article. Basically, for a 14-team conference, each team gets three protected annual matchups and alternates between half of the other ten opponents each year. The author proposes a different scheme for the ACC, adding ND as a full member and having four protected matchups. Here I'm working with the ACC as is and giving them three protected matchups like the Big Ten and SEC. I also changed some of the matchups around in each conference.

ACC
Boston College: Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Virginia Tech
Clemson: Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami-FL
Duke: NC State, North Carolina, Wake Forest
Florida State: Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami-FL
Georgia Tech: Clemson, Florida State, Miami-FL
Louisville: Pittsburgh, Virginia, Virginia Tech
Miami-FL: Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech
NC State: Duke, North Carolina, Wake Forest
North Carolina: Duke, NC State, Virginia
Pittsburgh: Boston College, Louisville, Syracuse
Syracuse: Boston College, Pittsburgh, Wake Forest
Virginia: Louisville, North Carolina, Virginia Tech
Virginia Tech: Boston College, Louisville, Virginia
Wake Forest: Duke, NC State, Syracuse

Big Ten
Illinois: Northwestern, Ohio State, Purdue
Indiana: Michigan State, Northwestern, Purdue
Iowa: Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Maryland: Michigan, Penn State, Rutgers
Michigan: Maryland, Michigan State, Ohio State
Michigan State: Indiana, Michigan, Rutgers
Minnesota: Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Nebraska: Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin
Northwestern: Illinois, Indiana, Purdue
Ohio State: Illinois, Michigan, Penn State
Penn State: Maryland, Ohio State, Rutgers
Purdue: Illinois, Indiana, Northwestern
Rutgers: Maryland, Michigan State, Penn State
Wisconsin: Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska

SEC
Alabama: Auburn, LSU, Tennessee
Arkansas: Mississippi State, Missouri, Texas A&M
Auburn: Alabama, Florida, Georgia
Florida: Auburn, Georgia, South Carolina
Georgia: Auburn, Florida, South Carolina
Kentucky: South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
LSU: Alabama, Ole Miss, Texas A&M
Mississippi State: Arkansas, Missouri, Ole Miss
Missouri: Arkansas, Mississippi State, Texas A&M
Ole Miss: LSU, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt
South Carolina: Florida, Georgia, Kentucky
Tennessee: Alabama, Kentucky, Vanderbilt
Texas A&M: Arkansas, LSU, Missouri
Vanderbilt: Kentucky, Ole Miss, Tennessee

I also have one for the Pac-12. The protected matchups were obvious. I suppose they could go with an 8-game schedule, but that means each year a team would play its three rivals and five out of the other eight teams. If they stick with nine games, that works better from a scheduling perspective.

Pac-12
Arizona: Arizona State, Colorado, Utah
Arizona State: Arizona, Colorado, Utah
California: Stanford, UCLA, USC
Colorado: Arizona, Arizona State, Utah
Oregon: Oregon State, Washington, Washington State
Oregon State: Oregon, Washington, Washington State
Stanford: California, UCLA, USC
UCLA: California, Stanford, USC
USC: California, Stanford, UCLA
Utah: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado
Washington: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington State
Washington State: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington

What do you think of the whole scheme? Any matchups I should change?

SU vs VT makes more sense than BC vs VT. I know BC-VT is a "rivalry game," but it's only a rivalry in name. SU-VT has more meaning for a number of reasons.
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How about this three-way trade?

Drop: BC/VT, Clemson/Miami, Syracuse/WF
Add: BC/Miami, Clemson/WF, Syracuse/VT
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(08-18-2017 04:46 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 09:38 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  While I'm not really a fan of abandoning divisions, doing so would allow for a schedule in which even a school in a conference of 14 could play all the other schools in the conference within two years (and with only an 8-game conference schedule). I was inspired by this article. Basically, for a 14-team conference, each team gets three protected annual matchups and alternates between half of the other ten opponents each year. The author proposes a different scheme for the ACC, adding ND as a full member and having four protected matchups. Here I'm working with the ACC as is and giving them three protected matchups like the Big Ten and SEC. I also changed some of the matchups around in each conference.

ACC
Boston College: Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Virginia Tech
Clemson: Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami-FL
Duke: NC State, North Carolina, Wake Forest
Florida State: Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami-FL
Georgia Tech: Clemson, Florida State, Miami-FL
Louisville: Pittsburgh, Virginia, Virginia Tech
Miami-FL: Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech
NC State: Duke, North Carolina, Wake Forest
North Carolina: Duke, NC State, Virginia
Pittsburgh: Boston College, Louisville, Syracuse
Syracuse: Boston College, Pittsburgh, Wake Forest
Virginia: Louisville, North Carolina, Virginia Tech
Virginia Tech: Boston College, Louisville, Virginia
Wake Forest: Duke, NC State, Syracuse

Big Ten
Illinois: Northwestern, Ohio State, Purdue
Indiana: Michigan State, Northwestern, Purdue
Iowa: Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Maryland: Michigan, Penn State, Rutgers
Michigan: Maryland, Michigan State, Ohio State
Michigan State: Indiana, Michigan, Rutgers
Minnesota: Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Nebraska: Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin
Northwestern: Illinois, Indiana, Purdue
Ohio State: Illinois, Michigan, Penn State
Penn State: Maryland, Ohio State, Rutgers
Purdue: Illinois, Indiana, Northwestern
Rutgers: Maryland, Michigan State, Penn State
Wisconsin: Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska

SEC
Alabama: Auburn, LSU, Tennessee
Arkansas: Mississippi State, Missouri, Texas A&M
Auburn: Alabama, Florida, Georgia
Florida: Auburn, Georgia, South Carolina
Georgia: Auburn, Florida, South Carolina
Kentucky: South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
LSU: Alabama, Ole Miss, Texas A&M
Mississippi State: Arkansas, Missouri, Ole Miss
Missouri: Arkansas, Mississippi State, Texas A&M
Ole Miss: LSU, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt
South Carolina: Florida, Georgia, Kentucky
Tennessee: Alabama, Kentucky, Vanderbilt
Texas A&M: Arkansas, LSU, Missouri
Vanderbilt: Kentucky, Ole Miss, Tennessee

I also have one for the Pac-12. The protected matchups were obvious. I suppose they could go with an 8-game schedule, but that means each year a team would play its three rivals and five out of the other eight teams. If they stick with nine games, that works better from a scheduling perspective.

Pac-12
Arizona: Arizona State, Colorado, Utah
Arizona State: Arizona, Colorado, Utah
California: Stanford, UCLA, USC
Colorado: Arizona, Arizona State, Utah
Oregon: Oregon State, Washington, Washington State
Oregon State: Oregon, Washington, Washington State
Stanford: California, UCLA, USC
UCLA: California, Stanford, USC
USC: California, Stanford, UCLA
Utah: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado
Washington: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington State
Washington State: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington

What do you think of the whole scheme? Any matchups I should change?

SU vs VT makes more sense than BC vs VT. I know BC-VT is a "rivalry game," but it's only a rivalry in name. SU-VT has more meaning for a number of reasons.

Syracuse/VT actually makes less sense than BC. I can't imagine what the number of reasons are. VT and Miami would rank in each other's top 3 for sure. Louisville should play Syracuse. Neither VA team would choose them.
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RE: Divisionless Football Conferences?
How about this?

ACC
Boston College: Miami-FL, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
Clemson: Florida State, Georgia Tech, Louisville
Duke: NC State, North Carolina, Wake Forest
Florida State: Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami-FL
Georgia Tech: Clemson, Florida State, Virginia Tech
Louisville: Clemson, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
Miami-FL: Boston College, Florida State, Virginia Tech
NC State: Duke, North Carolina, Wake Forest
North Carolina: Duke, NC State, Virginia
Pittsburgh: Boston College, Louisville, Syracuse
Syracuse: Boston College, Louisville, Pittsburgh
Virginia: North Carolina, Virginia Tech, Wake Forest
Virginia Tech: Georgia Tech, Miami-FL, Virginia
Wake Forest: Duke, NC State, Virginia
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RE: Divisionless Football Conferences?
(08-18-2017 05:14 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 04:46 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  
(08-18-2017 09:38 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  While I'm not really a fan of abandoning divisions, doing so would allow for a schedule in which even a school in a conference of 14 could play all the other schools in the conference within two years (and with only an 8-game conference schedule). I was inspired by this article. Basically, for a 14-team conference, each team gets three protected annual matchups and alternates between half of the other ten opponents each year. The author proposes a different scheme for the ACC, adding ND as a full member and having four protected matchups. Here I'm working with the ACC as is and giving them three protected matchups like the Big Ten and SEC. I also changed some of the matchups around in each conference.

ACC
Boston College: Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Virginia Tech
Clemson: Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami-FL
Duke: NC State, North Carolina, Wake Forest
Florida State: Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami-FL
Georgia Tech: Clemson, Florida State, Miami-FL
Louisville: Pittsburgh, Virginia, Virginia Tech
Miami-FL: Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech
NC State: Duke, North Carolina, Wake Forest
North Carolina: Duke, NC State, Virginia
Pittsburgh: Boston College, Louisville, Syracuse
Syracuse: Boston College, Pittsburgh, Wake Forest
Virginia: Louisville, North Carolina, Virginia Tech
Virginia Tech: Boston College, Louisville, Virginia
Wake Forest: Duke, NC State, Syracuse

Big Ten
Illinois: Northwestern, Ohio State, Purdue
Indiana: Michigan State, Northwestern, Purdue
Iowa: Minnesota, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Maryland: Michigan, Penn State, Rutgers
Michigan: Maryland, Michigan State, Ohio State
Michigan State: Indiana, Michigan, Rutgers
Minnesota: Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin
Nebraska: Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin
Northwestern: Illinois, Indiana, Purdue
Ohio State: Illinois, Michigan, Penn State
Penn State: Maryland, Ohio State, Rutgers
Purdue: Illinois, Indiana, Northwestern
Rutgers: Maryland, Michigan State, Penn State
Wisconsin: Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska

SEC
Alabama: Auburn, LSU, Tennessee
Arkansas: Mississippi State, Missouri, Texas A&M
Auburn: Alabama, Florida, Georgia
Florida: Auburn, Georgia, South Carolina
Georgia: Auburn, Florida, South Carolina
Kentucky: South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
LSU: Alabama, Ole Miss, Texas A&M
Mississippi State: Arkansas, Missouri, Ole Miss
Missouri: Arkansas, Mississippi State, Texas A&M
Ole Miss: LSU, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt
South Carolina: Florida, Georgia, Kentucky
Tennessee: Alabama, Kentucky, Vanderbilt
Texas A&M: Arkansas, LSU, Missouri
Vanderbilt: Kentucky, Ole Miss, Tennessee

I also have one for the Pac-12. The protected matchups were obvious. I suppose they could go with an 8-game schedule, but that means each year a team would play its three rivals and five out of the other eight teams. If they stick with nine games, that works better from a scheduling perspective.

Pac-12
Arizona: Arizona State, Colorado, Utah
Arizona State: Arizona, Colorado, Utah
California: Stanford, UCLA, USC
Colorado: Arizona, Arizona State, Utah
Oregon: Oregon State, Washington, Washington State
Oregon State: Oregon, Washington, Washington State
Stanford: California, UCLA, USC
UCLA: California, Stanford, USC
USC: California, Stanford, UCLA
Utah: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado
Washington: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington State
Washington State: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington

What do you think of the whole scheme? Any matchups I should change?

SU vs VT makes more sense than BC vs VT. I know BC-VT is a "rivalry game," but it's only a rivalry in name. SU-VT has more meaning for a number of reasons.

Syracuse/VT actually makes less sense than BC. I can't imagine what the number of reasons are. VT and Miami would rank in each other's top 3 for sure. Louisville should play Syracuse. Neither VA team would choose them.

What sense does BC make?

VT took SU's ACC spot. SU knocked off VT w/ no time in '98 to win the BIG EAST. VT sniped Vick and killed SU in '01 (?) to win the BE.

VT couldn't win @SU and SU couldn't win @VT, so the all time series is roughly even (w/ SU having a slight edge) w/ both sides missing out on key opportunities.

SU is historically better than BC (and has a winning ACC record vs BC).

SU also has more alumni in the DMV than BC for a variety of reasons.

That beats "we joined at roughly the same time" in my mind at least. I have a hard time seeing VT picking BC over SU, and I have no idea why you think UL and VT are a good fit.
(This post was last modified: 08-18-2017 06:43 PM by nzmorange.)
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RE: Divisionless Football Conferences?
This makes sense to me:

Boston College: Miami-FL, Syracuse, Wake Forest
Clemson: Florida State, Georgia Tech, NC State
Duke: Georgia Tech, North Carolina, Wake Forest
Florida State: Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami-FL
Georgia Tech: Clemson, Florida State, Duke
Louisville: Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Virginia
Miami-FL: Boston College, Florida State, Virginia Tech
NC State: North Carolina, Wake Forest, Clemson
North Carolina: Duke, NC State, Virginia
Pittsburgh: Louisville, Virginia Tech, Syracuse
Syracuse: Boston College, Louisville, Pittsburgh
Virginia: North Carolina, Virginia Tech, Louisville
Virginia Tech: Miami-FL, Virginia, Pittsburgh
Wake Forest: Duke, NC State, Boston College
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