Just in case you were wondering...Armstrong's tweet:

"It's truly amazing how naive the average fan is about football. The thoughts people throw out there are mind blowing."

(09-03-2017 08:25 PM)Tribeonaquest Wrote:  As a first time poster, I'll keep it brief. The boys played their hearts out! I was at the game, and never once did I see a lack of effort! The coaches will review the tape and make adjustments, both schematically and with their personal if they deem fit. Each and every season is not a sprint, but a marathon. The coaching staff will make decisions not only on what is best for the team today, but also tomorrow. Again, it's a season long marathon. I suggest we kill this thread and create a new Norfolk State thread. Go Tribe!

Welcome aboard!

I'll keep it brief.

You are not concerned about the offense. I am. I hope you're right, and I'm wrong.

(09-03-2017 05:50 PM)Zorch Wrote:  My comments in << >>.

(09-03-2017 03:35 PM)tribefbfan Wrote:  Not only did he come out and compete, he did so knowing his starting center was lost a week ago. << What is Wimmer's injury? Will he be back? >>

Three of his linemen came out of concussion protocol and were just cleared game week to practice. << What?! What the heck is going on in practice if 3 linemen got concussions? The Tribe needs to try out those tackling robots (or whatever) that Dartmouth is using. Knocking out 3 of our own guys is just stupid. >>

He's in a no win situation. << Definitely not so! He could have won the job for the season and had every member of this board singing his praises if he had played better. Even now, many Tribe fans remember Ken Lambiotte from 1986. He started his playoff run by beating UVa. McKee could have done likewise. McKee got a chance that Battle and Mitchell did not get. Did he make the most of it? >>

The guys understand the situation better than any of us will. << QB is not chosen by a popularity contest. McKee should be more popular - so far - because he is a junior and has been on the team longer than the other two. >>

Many say he shouldn't be the punter as well as the QB. I bet if the coaches had a different solution they wouldn't hesitate. << Not having a different/better solution than having your starting QB punt is just simply bad coaching. They have known since last year that Windmuller wasn't coming back. In all that time they couldn't get a better punter than McKee? The only positive thing about McKee punting (assuming that he is not the starting QB), is that his running ability and throwing ability make him an excellent chance for a trick play on a punt, or to salvage a bad snap or busted punt. >>

It was his first game!!! << Yes, it was. But he is a junior and last year he was the top backup. So I am inclined to think that many of us expected more from him. Such bad play would have actually been expected more from the freshman truly in his first game than from a junior who knows the system. >>

Keep in mind that I support the Tribe QB no matter who he is --- but I expect him to perform capably and I reserve the right to complain about him and the coaches if he does not. We are not Division III, where they play just for the fun of it. These guys are on scholarship and so expectations are higher.

You certainly have the right to complain. Everyone on here does. But trust me there is no one on this board or in the stands that expects capable play from their players than the coaches. You are absolutely right, this is not D3, and if the coaches felt they had players other than the ones getting the reps they would be out there.

These guys played hard. They have a couple of winnable games coming up. I expect some ugly moments in those games too.

The OC, the QB, the center, the RB all making their first start on Saturday. Call me out if they don't figure things out by conference time, but I believe they will. Until then, I'll stomach message board experts.

Did the band end up at the game? I didn't see them in any of the game pics.

(09-04-2017 09:47 AM)Sitting bull Wrote:  Did the band end up at the game? I didn't see them in any of the game pics.

They were stuck with our students alone in an upper deck section.

(09-04-2017 09:47 AM)Sitting bull Wrote:  Did the band end up at the game? I didn't see them in any of the game pics.

It couldn't have been more than 25 band members. They were way up in the nosebleeds with me.

(09-03-2017 10:33 PM)nj alum Wrote:  

(09-03-2017 08:25 PM)Tribeonaquest Wrote:  As a first time poster, I'll keep it brief. The boys played their hearts out! I was at the game, and never once did I see a lack of effort! The coaches will review the tape and make adjustments, both schematically and with their personal if they deem fit. Each and every season is not a sprint, but a marathon. The coaching staff will make decisions not only on what is best for the team today, but also tomorrow. Again, it's a season long marathon. I suggest we kill this thread and create a new Norfolk State thread. Go Tribe!

Welcome aboard!

I'll keep it brief.

You are not concerned about the offense. I am. I hope you're right, and I'm wrong.

My point is that we have a long season ahead of us. It's not uncommon for many successful coaching staffs to hold back much of the play book early in the season. This not only includes plays, but personnel groupings, formations, and some times even players. I have faith that the coaching staff has a plan, and by the time we're through with Bucknell, that plan will be more apparent. Against UVA, we gave our best effort while adhering to step 1 of the plan. I'll leave it up to you to define Step 1. Go Tribe!

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You may want to read posts 12 and 13 of the fake news thread. They forgot to mention Mike Cook who, if he hadn't gotten hurt at VMI, probably would have led that team to a lot of post-season glory.

I totally get what you are saying, and posted the same thing at earlier stages of this current 10 year run.

I'll say it plainly.

The first 20 years, JL had a golden touch with the QB's ... the last 10 years, the magic is gone. The first 20 years, JL's offense was exciting and unpredictable ... the last 10 years, the trend has been on the conservative side. Given what we saw on Saturday, a lot of us old-timers are concerned that we are seeing a continuation of the last ten years rather than a return to the first 20 years.

Here's hoping the magic touch will return in 2017 ... it was MIA in Hooville.

(09-03-2017 09:51 PM)Tribal Wrote:  Just in case you were wondering...Armstrong's tweet:

"It's truly amazing how naive the average fan is about football. The thoughts people throw out there are mind blowing."

It is hard to evaluate this statement without knowing what thoughts he was referring to.

I will say one thing that I have noticed over many years. That is, that some participants (players, coaches, water boys) think that they know everything and that everybody else who is not a player or coach knows nothing. In fact, I have found that most die-hard fans know more about any sport than a lot of the players do (who simply play but do not live and die for it like many fans do).

Perhaps Armstrong should catch more than one ball in a big game before knocking any fans.

TribeTalk is looking more and more each day like FaceBook "friends" squaring off against each other over political and social issues. I thought one of the primary goals of this site was to SUPPORT W&M athletics?
If so, I notice a lot of dissension amongst our ranks.....

(09-04-2017 11:27 AM)Zorch Wrote:  

(09-03-2017 09:51 PM)Tribal Wrote:  Just in case you were wondering...Armstrong's tweet:

"It's truly amazing how naive the average fan is about football. The thoughts people throw out there are mind blowing."

It is hard to evaluate this statement without knowing what thoughts he was referring to.

I will say one thing that I have noticed over many years. That is, that some participants (players, coaches, water boys) think that they know everything and that everybody else who is not a player or coach knows nothing. In fact, I have found that most die-hard fans know more about any sport than a lot of the players do (who simply play but do not live and die for it like many fans do).

Perhaps Armstrong should catch more than one ball in a big game before knocking any fans.

I hope that he has more chances to catch more balls in upcoming games, as well as chances to catch them further down the field.

I really don't care who the QB is, I care about the results. Although mia in recent years, many of us recall JL coached teams with potent offenses. From outward appearances this team has that potential. There were open questions coming into the game about the oline, the rb's, the run defense, putting pressure on the other teams qb, punting and qb. All but the last two met or exceeded expectations.

Here's hoping that the next couple of weeks lead to positive results in all of those categories.

8wr-

Okay, this is my last post on the UVa game.

There is no dissension.

A lot of information is exchanged here.

Historically, in the JL era, the opening game says a lot about the team. Yesterday, the defense played extremely well. The offense was MIA. On a go forward basis, I'm concerned about the offense. Others are as well. If you would prefer that we didn't discuss those concerns here, that's fine, and I will desist.

I'll just text with my frat brothers ... their comments are worse than you're seeing here.

McKee said in the post game that UVA came out in a lot of defensive looks that weren't on film. I think that goes a long way to explaining some of our offensive struggles. Jimmye mentioned that allowing McKee to scramble (and even calling some designed keepers) were a direct adjustment from that. Just a little disappointed it couldn't have happened sooner.

I don't know what to do with these stats: our starting RB averaged 5.0 ypc behind an offensive line missing two starters (including an all-American) and our defense held UVA under 3.0 ypc. All day it looked like we winning the battle in the trenches (from what was essentially an aerial view in section 516) even though we were playing a P5 school. So it was nice to have the stats bear that out to some degree. I'm encouraged because it's a great sign moving forward but also a little discouraged because even with our line play I never really felt like we were in the game on Saturday.

(09-04-2017 11:27 AM)Zorch Wrote:  

(09-03-2017 09:51 PM)Tribal Wrote:  Just in case you were wondering...Armstrong's tweet:

"It's truly amazing how naive the average fan is about football. The thoughts people throw out there are mind blowing."

It is hard to evaluate this statement without knowing what thoughts he was referring to.

I will say one thing that I have noticed over many years. That is, that some participants (players, coaches, water boys) think that they know everything and that everybody else who is not a player or coach knows nothing. In fact, I have found that most die-hard fans know more about any sport than a lot of the players do (who simply play but do not live and die for it like many fans do).

Perhaps Armstrong should catch more than one ball in a big game before knocking any fans.

If you look at his tweets it appears the comments were more about what fans were saying about Will Grier from WV last night and have nothing to do with WM fans.

It was nice of you to give him the benefit of the doubt to start your post, but it evidently didn't mean much considering the way you ended it. At least his name is attached to his comment, unlike all of us on this message board.

At times, things being said on this board about players and coaches are just wrong they are naive and uninformed, or they are filled with personal bias. I'm not a fan of message boards where comments that are made about specific players, especially negative comments. People want to go after coaches, fine. Don't agree with that either. This thread is filled with both.

I would agree with him. Fans, without knowing everything going on in a program or with a player, sometimes say things that are naive. It's especially easy to say things like that on social media.

I find myself at times watching games, saying things to people I'm with, only to find out later why plays were called, why some players are used and some aren't. I do that at times because as much as I know about the sport (played D1, coached every level) I still don't know about personnel. Players do know more about their program and personnel than any fan ever will.

Please shut this thread down. The kid is from WV. A WVU fan. Tweets a comment at the beginning of the WVU game and gets called out on a message board for only having 1 catch. This is a new low even for this bunch.

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Bronco said in his interview that once he got a lead they switched to "aggressive" coverage and pressure packages because he didn't think we could score just running the ball. So if you couple what was already UVA's defensive strength with a scheme that is designed to counter a passing attack the passing numbers make a lot of sense.

I think it was most effective against McKee because his relatively weak arm takes away our big play ability against an overly aggressive defense. I think that we won't be playing a lot of teams this year that have the talent to run these schemes effectively and if we do play one or two I thought the coaching staff has found a nice counter going forward with McKee's scrambling (as much as it makes me cringe to watch him take those hits)


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(09-04-2017 01:55 PM)zablenoise Wrote:  Bronco said in his interview that once he got a lead they switched to "aggressive" coverage and pressure packages because he didn't think we could score just running the ball.


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Ha! He apparently didn't scout McKee. That guy is a warrior.

We may be UVA's toughest competition to date.

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