(06-06-2017 04:56 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  It's easy to spot the posters on here who know about West Texas, El Paso etc and those who don't. You have to go to El Paso to know. It's nothing at all like east or central Texas. It's nothing like Amarillo, Lubbick, Midland Odessa. I go with another rule about what's Southern as well. The y'all rule. Only people saying y'all in El Paso saying y'all are soldiers at Bliss from somewhere else. Also the chili chilie rule. There is Texas kind and New Mexico Green or Red. El Paso has the latter. Folks in East Texas probably don't even know what I'm talking about.

Well Iam not gonna get in the middle of who has better green chilies
There's also a big German population in El Paso, must be the 3rd most spoken language there
Germanys Air Force trains at bliss

(06-06-2017 05:43 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 05:14 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 05:12 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 01:56 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  If you break the state of Texas in half, the western half of the state have these major cities.

El Paso
Odessa/Midland (UTPB just added football recently and have a high student population explosion after adding football, Friday Night Lights fame and football crazy town)
San Angelo (Angelo State could thrive at D1 since no pro sports in town)
Abilene (Abilene Christian does not have any pro competition either.)
Lubbock (Lubbock Christian is at D2 level with no football, would be interested in a cross town rival in basketball with Texas Tech if they go D1)
Amarillo (they have no pro teams, and no college team. The local team for them is in Canyon which seems to become a suburb of Amarillo in recent years, and the school is West Texas A&M.)

UTEP, UTPB, Angelo State, Abilene Christian, Texas Tech, Lubbock Christian, West Texas A&M, Hardin-Simmons, Howard Payne and Sul Ross State all could benefit with each other at the D1 level. For schedule reasons, and short travel for the fans to go to games. West Texas is a hotbed for raw football talent. Not all of the talent from there could go and start at all the universities in the state.

I'm old enough to remember UTEP (then TWC) playing FB games vs TT, West Texas St, Hardin-Simmons, etc. Long time ago but they also played Arizona and Arizona St in the old Border Conference.

And NAU :)

I went to an ASU wrestling camp held at NAU in high school. Beautiful campus. NAU has beaten one of Arizona, ASU, UNM and NMSU in football post border conference days right?

Beat Arizona a couple of times, ASU 6 times, NMSU 8 I believe. Didn't beat UNM. NAU was very bad after WWII, which is why they dropped down.

(06-06-2017 05:43 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 05:14 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 05:12 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 01:56 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  If you break the state of Texas in half, the western half of the state have these major cities.

El Paso
Odessa/Midland (UTPB just added football recently and have a high student population explosion after adding football, Friday Night Lights fame and football crazy town)
San Angelo (Angelo State could thrive at D1 since no pro sports in town)
Abilene (Abilene Christian does not have any pro competition either.)
Lubbock (Lubbock Christian is at D2 level with no football, would be interested in a cross town rival in basketball with Texas Tech if they go D1)
Amarillo (they have no pro teams, and no college team. The local team for them is in Canyon which seems to become a suburb of Amarillo in recent years, and the school is West Texas A&M.)

UTEP, UTPB, Angelo State, Abilene Christian, Texas Tech, Lubbock Christian, West Texas A&M, Hardin-Simmons, Howard Payne and Sul Ross State all could benefit with each other at the D1 level. For schedule reasons, and short travel for the fans to go to games. West Texas is a hotbed for raw football talent. Not all of the talent from there could go and start at all the universities in the state.

I'm old enough to remember UTEP (then TWC) playing FB games vs TT, West Texas St, Hardin-Simmons, etc. Long time ago but they also played Arizona and Arizona St in the old Border Conference.

And NAU :)

Yes. Who could forget the big games between Arizona State Teachers Flagstaff and Texas College of Mines! The olden days.

I believe your team is coming to the Sun Bowl in 2018, right?

Yup - NAU is playing UTEP on 9/1/18

(06-06-2017 05:44 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 04:56 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  It's easy to spot the posters on here who know about West Texas, El Paso etc and those who don't. You have to go to El Paso to know. It's nothing at all like east or central Texas. It's nothing like Amarillo, Lubbick, Midland Odessa. I go with another rule about what's Southern as well. The y'all rule. Only people saying y'all in El Paso saying y'all are soldiers at Bliss from somewhere else. Also the chili chilie rule. There is Texas kind and New Mexico Green or Red. El Paso has the latter. Folks in East Texas probably don't even know what I'm talking about.

Well Iam not gonna get in the middle of who has better green chilies
There's also a big German population in El Paso, must be the 3rd most spoken language there
Germanys Air Force trains at bliss

Hatch Chili's are the best. No debate needed :)

Ok but green chilies grow better in west tx

(06-06-2017 04:56 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  It's easy to spot the posters on here who know about West Texas, El Paso etc and those who don't. You have to go to El Paso to know. It's nothing at all like east or central Texas. It's nothing like Amarillo, Lubbick, Midland Odessa. I go with another rule about what's Southern as well. The y'all rule. Only people saying y'all in El Paso saying y'all are soldiers at Bliss from somewhere else. Also the chili chilie rule. There is Texas kind and New Mexico Green or Red. El Paso has the latter. Folks in East Texas probably don't even know what I'm talking about.

Well of course it's similar to Tucson, Phoenix and Albuquerque but it's still in Texas. And FTR, I've been to El Paso.

Yeah, but can you prove it ?

(06-06-2017 05:07 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I think people on here do not know the economics and all that about saving money and so forth. The model for C-USA, Big 12 and AAC will not last for a long time. NCAA D1 needs to change which includes adding more teams to D1, and more teams to FBS. Even Sun Belt will not last with their model. As is, UTEP, New Mexico State, New Mexico and Texas Tech including Wyoming can' throw money around like they are right now. They will not make money as is. West Texas A&M is a like minded institute with UTEP. Fantasy or not, the change will be coming to allow more schools to join FBS and D1.

What?? You say schools can't afford to throw money around, then you want schools added to FBS? New schools are not going to bring more money, they only create a smaller share of what's already there. Do you understand the economics of saturation point and oversaturation? It should be harder to move up, not easier.

What, was I supposed to take pictures? Even if I did, would they be verifiable? I will say I haven't spent too much time there.

FTR he did prove it

C2,

You may have been to El Paso, but I suspect you stayed at the Holiday Inn Express and ate at Arby's

(06-06-2017 04:56 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  It's easy to spot the posters on here who know about West Texas, El Paso etc and those who don't. You have to go to El Paso to know. It's nothing at all like east or central Texas. It's nothing like Amarillo, Lubbick, Midland Odessa. I go with another rule about what's Southern as well. The y'all rule. Only people saying y'all in El Paso saying y'all are soldiers at Bliss from somewhere else. Also the chili chilie rule. There is Texas kind and New Mexico Green or Red. El Paso has the latter. Folks in East Texas probably don't even know what I'm talking about.

There are some rare exceptions. I lived in Arkansas almost all of my first 36 years and I say "you guys" instead of "ya'll" and I like to sweat when I eat chilli. I've always said it was because I'm a Tucson native.

Lol, I was just joking C2, I be been there more times than I can remember and not really sure if I can prove it either in this thread, mybe I have a warrant for unpaid parking tickets that could be verified

This thread was side tracked near the start.

WHAT is wrong with UTEP?


Bob Stull.Bob Stull. Bob Stull. Got it? Good.

72 years old. AD since 1998. Mediocre results for years. Needs to "retire".

If I was a UTEP fan I would harp on this point and gather others who agreed till the pressure caused a movement.

Pretty simple to identify the problem.

How has this guy kept his job? Mr. Mediocre.

[UTEP has or has had facilities,support,and past success.]

(06-06-2017 07:38 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 05:07 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I think people on here do not know the economics and all that about saving money and so forth. The model for C-USA, Big 12 and AAC will not last for a long time. NCAA D1 needs to change which includes adding more teams to D1, and more teams to FBS. Even Sun Belt will not last with their model. As is, UTEP, New Mexico State, New Mexico and Texas Tech including Wyoming can' throw money around like they are right now. They will not make money as is. West Texas A&M is a like minded institute with UTEP. Fantasy or not, the change will be coming to allow more schools to join FBS and D1.

What?? You say schools can't afford to throw money around, then you want schools added to FBS? New schools are not going to bring more money, they only create a smaller share of what's already there. Do you understand the economics of saturation point and oversaturation? It should be harder to move up, not easier.

West Texas, northern plains, Oklahoma, Kansas, Missouri, Wyoming, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Ohio, the northeast and the west coast are not oversaturating of football members. What I am pointing out if that schools like West Texas A&M, Hardin Simmons, UTPB, Angelo State and some others could help schools like UTEP, New Mexico, New Mexico State and so forth save some moneys to claw back out of the hole.

(06-07-2017 12:05 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 07:38 PM)AZcats Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 05:07 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I think people on here do not know the economics and all that about saving money and so forth. The model for C-USA, Big 12 and AAC will not last for a long time. NCAA D1 needs to change which includes adding more teams to D1, and more teams to FBS. Even Sun Belt will not last with their model. As is, UTEP, New Mexico State, New Mexico and Texas Tech including Wyoming can' throw money around like they are right now. They will not make money as is. West Texas A&M is a like minded institute with UTEP. Fantasy or not, the change will be coming to allow more schools to join FBS and D1.

What?? You say schools can't afford to throw money around, then you want schools added to FBS? New schools are not going to bring more money, they only create a smaller share of what's already there. Do you understand the economics of saturation point and oversaturation? It should be harder to move up, not easier.

West Texas, northern plains, Oklahoma, Kansas, Missouri, Wyoming, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Ohio, the northeast and the west coast are not oversaturating of football members. What I am pointing out if that schools like West Texas A&M, Hardin Simmons, UTPB, Angelo State and some others could help schools like UTEP, New Mexico, New Mexico State and so forth save some moneys to claw back out of the hole.

Then after they all help each other they can have a group party where they have Capri Sun and orange slices. Perhaps the bus can stop at the Tastee Freeze on the way back to campus for ice cream too

I know nothing about bob stull, is the ad for a long time, is too old ?, mybe your right, mybe time for a new AD at UTEP

(06-06-2017 10:41 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  This thread was side tracked near the start.

WHAT is wrong with UTEP?


Bob Stull.Bob Stull. Bob Stull. Got it? Good.

72 years old. AD since 1998. Mediocre results for years. Needs to "retire".

If I was a UTEP fan I would harp on this point and gather others who agreed till the pressure caused a movement.

Pretty simple to identify the problem.

How has this guy kept his job? Mr. Mediocre.

[UTEP has or has had facilities,support,and past success.]

That's pretty much what a lot of Miner fans think. There was a minor Miner campaign from a fan message board that sent complaining emails to the UTEP president that was loud enough to elicit replies from her office. The replies suggested that the university is aware that athletics are important to the community, blah blah blah. The president is responsible for leaving Bob Stull in his job too long and Stull is responsible for leaving coaches in their jobs too long.

The current football coach, Kugler, hired by Stull who was Kugler's coach at UTEP back in the 80's. Kugler is trying to build a run oriented team and is in his 5th and last contract year. If another losing season is in store, something has to give. One winning season out of 5 can't justify keeping him any longer. On the other hand, if he coaches the team to bowl eligibility then an extension could be warranted. His plan of recruiting mostly high school players, redshirting most of them and building depth will have to show results on the field this year.

(06-07-2017 07:02 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 10:41 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  This thread was side tracked near the start.

WHAT is wrong with UTEP?


Bob Stull.Bob Stull. Bob Stull. Got it? Good.

72 years old. AD since 1998. Mediocre results for years. Needs to "retire".

If I was a UTEP fan I would harp on this point and gather others who agreed till the pressure caused a movement.

Pretty simple to identify the problem.

How has this guy kept his job? Mr. Mediocre.

[UTEP has or has had facilities,support,and past success.]

That's pretty much what a lot of Miner fans think. There was a minor Miner campaign from a fan message board that sent complaining emails to the UTEP president that was loud enough to elicit replies from her office. The replies suggested that the university is aware that athletics are important to the community, blah blah blah. The president is responsible for leaving Bob Stull in his job too long and Stull is responsible for leaving coaches in their jobs too long.

The current football coach, Kugler, hired by Stull who was Kugler's coach at UTEP back in the 80's. Kugler is trying to build a run oriented team and is in his 5th and last contract year. If another losing season is in store, something has to give. One winning season out of 5 can't justify keeping him any longer. On the other hand, if he coaches the team to bowl eligibility then an extension could be warranted. His plan of recruiting mostly high school players, redshirting most of them and building depth will have to show results on the field this year.

So, he was the AD when the MWC formed without taking UTEP AND the AD when they passed on the invite to join as the MWC was feared gutted, opting to stay in CUSA during the "merger" rumors?

Same guy?

Yikes. Ouch.

(06-07-2017 07:02 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(06-06-2017 10:41 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  This thread was side tracked near the start.

WHAT is wrong with UTEP?


Bob Stull.Bob Stull. Bob Stull. Got it? Good.

72 years old. AD since 1998. Mediocre results for years. Needs to "retire".

If I was a UTEP fan I would harp on this point and gather others who agreed till the pressure caused a movement.

Pretty simple to identify the problem.

How has this guy kept his job? Mr. Mediocre.

[UTEP has or has had facilities,support,and past success.]

That's pretty much what a lot of Miner fans think. There was a minor Miner campaign from a fan message board that sent complaining emails to the UTEP president that was loud enough to elicit replies from her office. The replies suggested that the university is aware that athletics are important to the community, blah blah blah. The president is responsible for leaving Bob Stull in his job too long and Stull is responsible for leaving coaches in their jobs too long.

The current football coach, Kugler, hired by Stull who was Kugler's coach at UTEP back in the 80's. Kugler is trying to build a run oriented team and is in his 5th and last contract year. If another losing season is in store, something has to give. One winning season out of 5 can't justify keeping him any longer. On the other hand, if he coaches the team to bowl eligibility then an extension could be warranted. His plan of recruiting mostly high school players, redshirting most of them and building depth will have to show results on the field this year.

These are strong points. And while the UTEP President is impressive, especially in academic circles, she is no Renu Khator for athletics. But she does share something very Texas - battling Austin for some of the rich funds directed to the Texas and Texas A&M systems. So she is trying to do it all for UTEP without the Big 12 income of Texas Tech, or the mega-donors in Houston.