(05-22-2017 05:30 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  Don't do it Georgia State. the two for one part.

Quote:Liberty and Georgia State have had extensive communications with the the possibility of a home and home or even a 2-for-1 deal with Georgia State making two trips to Lynchburg and the Flames making just one trip to Atlanta. Each of the Panthers’ trips to Lynchburg would be accompanied by a financial guarantee from Liberty in the 2-for-1 situation.

http://www.aseaofred.com/whos-had-conver...cheduling/

This is dangerous for Georgia State. They have a large set of stakeholders, many of whom aren't particularly invested in the team, who might have serious issues with LU.

I kind of expected Troy to seek out LU. And they did. Georgia State is different.

Seems to me there's a huge disconnect between the ADs and some of the stakeholders. This is also not surprising.

----

As TV revenue gets cut by half in the next 10 years (as a result of cord cutting), this will engender a loss to the CFP playoff pool when its rebid out. Schools in the Belt need everyone on board when this comes along. Throwing significant portions of their community under the bus isn't the right answer IMHO.

Hey Panther student, you get to pay 3 or 4 grand a year in student fees to prop up a football program you might not care about that turns around and endorses LU. This is dangerous.

Remember, its the taxpayers of Georgia and the students at Georgia State who will be keeping that program (and all of our programs) afloat financially in the next decade or so.

Do they really need to endorse LU? For Georgia State, this appears to be counterproductive.

I'm not surprised to see TXST on that list of names since we need a home game for next year, but it's still disappointing to me....

(05-23-2017 10:21 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 05:30 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  Don't do it Georgia State. the two for one part.

Quote:Liberty and Georgia State have had extensive communications with the the possibility of a home and home or even a 2-for-1 deal with Georgia State making two trips to Lynchburg and the Flames making just one trip to Atlanta. Each of the Panthers’ trips to Lynchburg would be accompanied by a financial guarantee from Liberty in the 2-for-1 situation.

http://www.aseaofred.com/whos-had-conver...cheduling/

This is dangerous for Georgia State. They have a large set of stakeholders, many of whom aren't particularly invested in the team, who might have serious issues with LU.

I kind of expected Troy to seek out LU. And they did. Georgia State is different.

Seems to me there's a huge disconnect between the ADs and some of the stakeholders. This is also not surprising.

----

As TV revenue gets cut by half in the next 10 years (as a result of cord cutting), this will engender a loss to the CFP playoff pool when its rebid out. Schools in the Belt need everyone on board when this comes along. Throwing significant portions of their community under the bus isn't the right answer IMHO.

Hey Panther student, you get to pay 3 or 4 grand a year in student fees to prop up a football program you might not care about that turns around and endorses LU. This is dangerous.

Remember, its the taxpayers of Georgia and the students at Georgia State who will be keeping that program (and all of our programs) afloat financially in the next decade or so.

Do they really need to endorse LU? For Georgia State, this appears to be counterproductive.

I just don't see how playing Liberty is throwing anyone under the bus. It's sports not life or death. I would prefer they are not in our conference but have no problem scheduling them for a H&H. Scheduling a 2 for 1 though is not a good idea because it gives Liberty a special status reserved for the highest programs and that they are not.

The main reason I don't want to add Liberty is because if they are going to pay 1-2M per game to play their fellow mid-majors, then there's no reason to add them and lose out on the chance to make money. Theyre cementing themselves as independents with that move.

(05-23-2017 10:21 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  This is dangerous for Georgia State. They have a large set of stakeholders, many of whom aren't particularly invested in the team, who might have serious issues with LU.

I kind of expected Troy to seek out LU. And they did. Georgia State is different.

Seems to me there's a huge disconnect between the ADs and some of the stakeholders. This is also not surprising.

----

As TV revenue gets cut by half in the next 10 years (as a result of cord cutting), this will engender a loss to the CFP playoff pool when its rebid out. Schools in the Belt need everyone on board when this comes along. Throwing significant portions of their community under the bus isn't the right answer IMHO.

Hey Panther student, you get to pay 3 or 4 grand a year in student fees to prop up a football program you might not care about that turns around and endorses LU. This is dangerous.

Remember, its the taxpayers of Georgia and the students at Georgia State who will be keeping that program (and all of our programs) afloat financially in the next decade or so.

Do they really need to endorse LU? For Georgia State, this appears to be counterproductive.

I think you make the mistake of assuming people are going to see an athletic event between schools as some kind of endorsement of institutional policies. The vast majority won't see it that way.

Lol...Tom is afraid to have a Liberty player tackle one of our guys. Afraid they will catch something. Cooties maybe?

(05-23-2017 10:21 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 05:30 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  Don't do it Georgia State. the two for one part.

Quote:Liberty and Georgia State have had extensive communications with the the possibility of a home and home or even a 2-for-1 deal with Georgia State making two trips to Lynchburg and the Flames making just one trip to Atlanta. Each of the Panthers’ trips to Lynchburg would be accompanied by a financial guarantee from Liberty in the 2-for-1 situation.

http://www.aseaofred.com/whos-had-conver...cheduling/

This is dangerous for Georgia State. They have a large set of stakeholders, many of whom aren't particularly invested in the team, who might have serious issues with LU.

I kind of expected Troy to seek out LU. And they did. Georgia State is different.

Seems to me there's a huge disconnect between the ADs and some of the stakeholders. This is also not surprising.

----

As TV revenue gets cut by half in the next 10 years (as a result of cord cutting), this will engender a loss to the CFP playoff pool when its rebid out. Schools in the Belt need everyone on board when this comes along. Throwing significant portions of their community under the bus isn't the right answer IMHO.

Hey Panther student, you get to pay 3 or 4 grand a year in student fees to prop up a football program you might not care about that turns around and endorses LU. This is dangerous.

Remember, its the taxpayers of Georgia and the students at Georgia State who will be keeping that program (and all of our programs) afloat financially in the next decade or so.

Do they really need to endorse LU? For Georgia State, this appears to be counterproductive.

"Dangerous," Come on Tom, that's a bit much, it's a football game. It's the one thing we barely have left in the USA where we don't have to involve politics although the NFL and NBA are doing there best to ruin that. I suggest you look up the 1914 Christmas truce during WWI where the Germans and Brit grunts took a break from the trenches to meet each other in no mans land and played a game of soccer among other things. The next day, they went back to killing each other. If you truly want to change Liberty, then play them in football while extending your best when they come to your house to play.

(05-23-2017 10:21 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 05:30 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  Don't do it Georgia State. the two for one part.

Quote:Liberty and Georgia State have had extensive communications with the the possibility of a home and home or even a 2-for-1 deal with Georgia State making two trips to Lynchburg and the Flames making just one trip to Atlanta. Each of the Panthers’ trips to Lynchburg would be accompanied by a financial guarantee from Liberty in the 2-for-1 situation.

http://www.aseaofred.com/whos-had-conver...cheduling/

This is dangerous for Georgia State. They have a large set of stakeholders, many of whom aren't particularly invested in the team, who might have serious issues with LU.

I kind of expected Troy to seek out LU. And they did. Georgia State is different.

Seems to me there's a huge disconnect between the ADs and some of the stakeholders. This is also not surprising.

----

As TV revenue gets cut by half in the next 10 years (as a result of cord cutting), this will engender a loss to the CFP playoff pool when its rebid out. Schools in the Belt need everyone on board when this comes along. Throwing significant portions of their community under the bus isn't the right answer IMHO.

Hey Panther student, you get to pay 3 or 4 grand a year in student fees to prop up a football program you might not care about that turns around and endorses LU. This is dangerous.

Remember, its the taxpayers of Georgia and the students at Georgia State who will be keeping that program (and all of our programs) afloat financially in the next decade or so.

Do they really need to endorse LU? For Georgia State, this appears to be counterproductive.

A bigger issue is people seeing Liberty on the home schedule and deciding to do something else that Saturday.

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(05-23-2017 10:30 AM)Bobcat2013 Wrote:  I'm not surprised to see TXST on that list of names since we need a home game for next year, but it's still disappointing to me....

Of course it is. You're hoping your AD will schedule Texas Tech or at least SMU. After the money from that check is spent all you have left is a missed opportunity to grow your brand. You only get 2 OOC home games a year to bring in new fans.

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(05-23-2017 11:49 AM)panama Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 10:21 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 05:30 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  Don't do it Georgia State. the two for one part.

Quote:Liberty and Georgia State have had extensive communications with the the possibility of a home and home or even a 2-for-1 deal with Georgia State making two trips to Lynchburg and the Flames making just one trip to Atlanta. Each of the Panthers’ trips to Lynchburg would be accompanied by a financial guarantee from Liberty in the 2-for-1 situation.

http://www.aseaofred.com/whos-had-conver...cheduling/

This is dangerous for Georgia State. They have a large set of stakeholders, many of whom aren't particularly invested in the team, who might have serious issues with LU.

I kind of expected Troy to seek out LU. And they did. Georgia State is different.

Seems to me there's a huge disconnect between the ADs and some of the stakeholders. This is also not surprising.

----

As TV revenue gets cut by half in the next 10 years (as a result of cord cutting), this will engender a loss to the CFP playoff pool when its rebid out. Schools in the Belt need everyone on board when this comes along. Throwing significant portions of their community under the bus isn't the right answer IMHO.

Hey Panther student, you get to pay 3 or 4 grand a year in student fees to prop up a football program you might not care about that turns around and endorses LU. This is dangerous.

Remember, its the taxpayers of Georgia and the students at Georgia State who will be keeping that program (and all of our programs) afloat financially in the next decade or so.

Do they really need to endorse LU? For Georgia State, this appears to be counterproductive.

A bigger issue is people seeing Liberty on the home schedule and deciding to do something else that Saturday.

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So people will show up for Chattanooga, Idaho or ULM but not Liberty? If there is as much hate for them that this board claims, one would think fans would pack the stadium to watch their beloved alma mater beat the tar out of them.

(05-21-2017 01:01 PM)panama Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 12:13 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 09:50 AM)panama Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 09:20 AM)ChooChoo Wrote:  Well this is a little upsetting but upon further review not so much. Here's the thing, we are going to have 2 Home games, and 2 Away every year. Those away games should have a least one tied to a 6 to 7 figure paycheck for our trip. Last I checked Liberty was in the state of Virginia and they trade in the US Dollar. I'd just as soon play in a 25k seat stadium of Independent Liberty and get the chance of leaving with a Million bucks and a Win than another 95K seat SEC bloodbath against Auburn, Alabama, and Tennessee that we are accustomed to scheduling.
We have a Home opening in 2020. We also need a money game in 2022, and aside from Vandy (SEC) coming in, we are open for takers in 2024. I say accept the cash.

2020
09/12 - at Alabama
09/19 - Savannah State
09/26 - at Charlotte

2022
09/10 - North Carolina
09/17 - Charlotte
10/01 - at Army

2024
09/28 - Vanderbilt

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A Liberty game in Atlanta will draw flies. We have been there done that. And maybe 20 people trek to Lynchburg. At least you get a check I guess. If this is the scehduling philosophy we can stop at Phase I with this stadium.

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Any game you have that isn't a p5 or Georgia southern is going to draw flies. And the only reason those two options will draw is because the other team will likely bring fans. Shouldn't have to rely on the other team to have a draw though.

Always Wrong

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Except ive been to some of your games. Let's be real, the team has NO buzz around ATL and unless it's Georgia Southern or a team with a lot of fans you'll have 1,000 people there regardless. Why act like everyone here hasn't already seen that?

(05-23-2017 02:11 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 01:01 PM)panama Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 12:13 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 09:50 AM)panama Wrote:  

(05-21-2017 09:20 AM)ChooChoo Wrote:  Well this is a little upsetting but upon further review not so much. Here's the thing, we are going to have 2 Home games, and 2 Away every year. Those away games should have a least one tied to a 6 to 7 figure paycheck for our trip. Last I checked Liberty was in the state of Virginia and they trade in the US Dollar. I'd just as soon play in a 25k seat stadium of Independent Liberty and get the chance of leaving with a Million bucks and a Win than another 95K seat SEC bloodbath against Auburn, Alabama, and Tennessee that we are accustomed to scheduling.
We have a Home opening in 2020. We also need a money game in 2022, and aside from Vandy (SEC) coming in, we are open for takers in 2024. I say accept the cash.

2020
09/12 - at Alabama
09/19 - Savannah State
09/26 - at Charlotte

2022
09/10 - North Carolina
09/17 - Charlotte
10/01 - at Army

2024
09/28 - Vanderbilt

I love playing Curb Your Enthusiasm

A Liberty game in Atlanta will draw flies. We have been there done that. And maybe 20 people trek to Lynchburg. At least you get a check I guess. If this is the scehduling philosophy we can stop at Phase I with this stadium.

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Any game you have that isn't a p5 or Georgia southern is going to draw flies. And the only reason those two options will draw is because the other team will likely bring fans. Shouldn't have to rely on the other team to have a draw though.

Always Wrong

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Except ive been to some of your games. Let's be real, the team has NO buzz around ATL and unless it's Georgia Southern or a team with a lot of fans you'll have 1,000 people there regardless. Why act like everyone here hasn't already seen that?

He isn't wrong, it's a fact, Georgia State is one of the worst attend football programs in the nation.

(05-23-2017 11:31 AM)Shox Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 10:21 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 05:30 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  Don't do it Georgia State. the two for one part.

Quote:Liberty and Georgia State have had extensive communications with the the possibility of a home and home or even a 2-for-1 deal with Georgia State making two trips to Lynchburg and the Flames making just one trip to Atlanta. Each of the Panthers’ trips to Lynchburg would be accompanied by a financial guarantee from Liberty in the 2-for-1 situation.

http://www.aseaofred.com/whos-had-conver...cheduling/

This is dangerous for Georgia State. They have a large set of stakeholders, many of whom aren't particularly invested in the team, who might have serious issues with LU.

I kind of expected Troy to seek out LU. And they did. Georgia State is different.

Seems to me there's a huge disconnect between the ADs and some of the stakeholders. This is also not surprising.

----

As TV revenue gets cut by half in the next 10 years (as a result of cord cutting), this will engender a loss to the CFP playoff pool when its rebid out. Schools in the Belt need everyone on board when this comes along. Throwing significant portions of their community under the bus isn't the right answer IMHO.

Hey Panther student, you get to pay 3 or 4 grand a year in student fees to prop up a football program you might not care about that turns around and endorses LU. This is dangerous.

Remember, its the taxpayers of Georgia and the students at Georgia State who will be keeping that program (and all of our programs) afloat financially in the next decade or so.

Do they really need to endorse LU? For Georgia State, this appears to be counterproductive.

"Dangerous," Come on Tom, that's a bit much, it's a football game. It's the one thing we barely have left in the USA where we don't have to involve politics although the NFL and NBA are doing there best to ruin that. I suggest you look up the 1914 Christmas truce during WWI where the Germans and Brit grunts took a break from the trenches to meet each other in no mans land and played a game of soccer among other things. The next day, they went back to killing each other. If you truly want to change Liberty, then play them in football while extending your best when they come to your house to play.

The problem is that sports aren't relevant to those excluded from it. Not only are LGBT persons largely excluded from football at all levels, but non-evangelicals have difficulties in it as well. These groups, plus those that support them, are not small populations.

And it might be different if we weren't compelled to subsidize institutions that largely exclude us (and I'm not just talking about LU, but also the NFL and the NCAA - at least in the high profile sports) as a condition of going to our public university or having a cable package with Logo or the Discovery Channel in it. Or living in a big city, where we have to subsidize hundreds of million dollar payments to billionaires.

At some point, this is going to become a problem. Telling kids to borrow 10 grand over 4 years to subsidize FBS football is not going to be sustainable forever, especially if that subsidy goes to groups that exclude directly or effectively.

At a school like Troy, it might not be an issue.

Georgia State doesn't need people alienated from their program. Scheduling (affirming) LU might do that.

Do you really think that running FBS football as the almost exclusive preserve of evangelical straight males is going to really engender a desire to keep up with the massive subsides from ALL stakeholders required to compete at this level? What's in it for those effectively excluded from participation in FBS football as athletes and coaches?

(05-23-2017 02:54 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 11:31 AM)Shox Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 10:21 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 05:30 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  Don't do it Georgia State. the two for one part.

Quote:Liberty and Georgia State have had extensive communications with the the possibility of a home and home or even a 2-for-1 deal with Georgia State making two trips to Lynchburg and the Flames making just one trip to Atlanta. Each of the Panthers’ trips to Lynchburg would be accompanied by a financial guarantee from Liberty in the 2-for-1 situation.

http://www.aseaofred.com/whos-had-conver...cheduling/

This is dangerous for Georgia State. They have a large set of stakeholders, many of whom aren't particularly invested in the team, who might have serious issues with LU.

I kind of expected Troy to seek out LU. And they did. Georgia State is different.

Seems to me there's a huge disconnect between the ADs and some of the stakeholders. This is also not surprising.

----

As TV revenue gets cut by half in the next 10 years (as a result of cord cutting), this will engender a loss to the CFP playoff pool when its rebid out. Schools in the Belt need everyone on board when this comes along. Throwing significant portions of their community under the bus isn't the right answer IMHO.

Hey Panther student, you get to pay 3 or 4 grand a year in student fees to prop up a football program you might not care about that turns around and endorses LU. This is dangerous.

Remember, its the taxpayers of Georgia and the students at Georgia State who will be keeping that program (and all of our programs) afloat financially in the next decade or so.

Do they really need to endorse LU? For Georgia State, this appears to be counterproductive.

"Dangerous," Come on Tom, that's a bit much, it's a football game. It's the one thing we barely have left in the USA where we don't have to involve politics although the NFL and NBA are doing there best to ruin that. I suggest you look up the 1914 Christmas truce during WWI where the Germans and Brit grunts took a break from the trenches to meet each other in no mans land and played a game of soccer among other things. The next day, they went back to killing each other. If you truly want to change Liberty, then play them in football while extending your best when they come to your house to play.

The problem is that sports aren't relevant to those excluded from it. Not only are LGBT persons largely excluded from football at all levels, but non-evangelicals have difficulties in it as well. These groups, plus those that support them, are not small populations.

And it might be different if we weren't compelled to subsidize institutions that largely exclude us (and I'm not just talking about LU, but also the NFL and the NCAA - at least in the high profile sports) as a condition of going to our public university or having a cable package with Logo or the Discovery Channel in it. Or living in a big city, where we have to subsidize hundreds of million dollar payments to billionaires.

At some point, this is going to become a problem. Telling kids to borrow 10 grand over 4 years to subsidize FBS football is not going to be sustainable forever, especially if that subsidy goes to groups that exclude directly or effectively.

At a school like Troy, it might not be an issue.

Georgia State doesn't need people alienated from their program. Scheduling (affirming) LU might do that.

Do you really think that running FBS football as the almost exclusive preserve of evangelical straight males is going to really engender a desire to keep up with the massive subsides from ALL stakeholders required to compete at this level? What's in it for those effectively excluded from participation in FBS football as athletes and coaches?

So if Im getting this right your plan would be, instead of "an eye for an eye" it would be "a bigot for a bigot"?

If what you say about Liberty is true you want to do the same back to them. Sounds like a solid plan.

(05-23-2017 07:19 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 02:54 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 11:31 AM)Shox Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 10:21 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 05:30 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  Don't do it Georgia State. the two for one part.


http://www.aseaofred.com/whos-had-conver...cheduling/

This is dangerous for Georgia State. They have a large set of stakeholders, many of whom aren't particularly invested in the team, who might have serious issues with LU.

I kind of expected Troy to seek out LU. And they did. Georgia State is different.

Seems to me there's a huge disconnect between the ADs and some of the stakeholders. This is also not surprising.

----

As TV revenue gets cut by half in the next 10 years (as a result of cord cutting), this will engender a loss to the CFP playoff pool when its rebid out. Schools in the Belt need everyone on board when this comes along. Throwing significant portions of their community under the bus isn't the right answer IMHO.

Hey Panther student, you get to pay 3 or 4 grand a year in student fees to prop up a football program you might not care about that turns around and endorses LU. This is dangerous.

Remember, its the taxpayers of Georgia and the students at Georgia State who will be keeping that program (and all of our programs) afloat financially in the next decade or so.

Do they really need to endorse LU? For Georgia State, this appears to be counterproductive.

"Dangerous," Come on Tom, that's a bit much, it's a football game. It's the one thing we barely have left in the USA where we don't have to involve politics although the NFL and NBA are doing there best to ruin that. I suggest you look up the 1914 Christmas truce during WWI where the Germans and Brit grunts took a break from the trenches to meet each other in no mans land and played a game of soccer among other things. The next day, they went back to killing each other. If you truly want to change Liberty, then play them in football while extending your best when they come to your house to play.

The problem is that sports aren't relevant to those excluded from it. Not only are LGBT persons largely excluded from football at all levels, but non-evangelicals have difficulties in it as well. These groups, plus those that support them, are not small populations.

And it might be different if we weren't compelled to subsidize institutions that largely exclude us (and I'm not just talking about LU, but also the NFL and the NCAA - at least in the high profile sports) as a condition of going to our public university or having a cable package with Logo or the Discovery Channel in it. Or living in a big city, where we have to subsidize hundreds of million dollar payments to billionaires.

At some point, this is going to become a problem. Telling kids to borrow 10 grand over 4 years to subsidize FBS football is not going to be sustainable forever, especially if that subsidy goes to groups that exclude directly or effectively.

At a school like Troy, it might not be an issue.

Georgia State doesn't need people alienated from their program. Scheduling (affirming) LU might do that.

Do you really think that running FBS football as the almost exclusive preserve of evangelical straight males is going to really engender a desire to keep up with the massive subsides from ALL stakeholders required to compete at this level? What's in it for those effectively excluded from participation in FBS football as athletes and coaches?

So if Im getting this right your plan would be, instead of "an eye for an eye" it would be "a bigot for a bigot"?

If what you say about Liberty is true you want to do the same back to them. Sounds like a solid plan.

I have to admit, these anti-Liberty fans, are making want to see Liberty do very well.

(05-23-2017 07:19 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 02:54 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 11:31 AM)Shox Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 10:21 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(05-22-2017 05:30 PM)ValleyBoy Wrote:  Don't do it Georgia State. the two for one part.


http://www.aseaofred.com/whos-had-conver...cheduling/

This is dangerous for Georgia State. They have a large set of stakeholders, many of whom aren't particularly invested in the team, who might have serious issues with LU.

I kind of expected Troy to seek out LU. And they did. Georgia State is different.

Seems to me there's a huge disconnect between the ADs and some of the stakeholders. This is also not surprising.

----

As TV revenue gets cut by half in the next 10 years (as a result of cord cutting), this will engender a loss to the CFP playoff pool when its rebid out. Schools in the Belt need everyone on board when this comes along. Throwing significant portions of their community under the bus isn't the right answer IMHO.

Hey Panther student, you get to pay 3 or 4 grand a year in student fees to prop up a football program you might not care about that turns around and endorses LU. This is dangerous.

Remember, its the taxpayers of Georgia and the students at Georgia State who will be keeping that program (and all of our programs) afloat financially in the next decade or so.

Do they really need to endorse LU? For Georgia State, this appears to be counterproductive.

"Dangerous," Come on Tom, that's a bit much, it's a football game. It's the one thing we barely have left in the USA where we don't have to involve politics although the NFL and NBA are doing there best to ruin that. I suggest you look up the 1914 Christmas truce during WWI where the Germans and Brit grunts took a break from the trenches to meet each other in no mans land and played a game of soccer among other things. The next day, they went back to killing each other. If you truly want to change Liberty, then play them in football while extending your best when they come to your house to play.

The problem is that sports aren't relevant to those excluded from it. Not only are LGBT persons largely excluded from football at all levels, but non-evangelicals have difficulties in it as well. These groups, plus those that support them, are not small populations.

And it might be different if we weren't compelled to subsidize institutions that largely exclude us (and I'm not just talking about LU, but also the NFL and the NCAA - at least in the high profile sports) as a condition of going to our public university or having a cable package with Logo or the Discovery Channel in it. Or living in a big city, where we have to subsidize hundreds of million dollar payments to billionaires.

At some point, this is going to become a problem. Telling kids to borrow 10 grand over 4 years to subsidize FBS football is not going to be sustainable forever, especially if that subsidy goes to groups that exclude directly or effectively.

At a school like Troy, it might not be an issue.

Georgia State doesn't need people alienated from their program. Scheduling (affirming) LU might do that.

Do you really think that running FBS football as the almost exclusive preserve of evangelical straight males is going to really engender a desire to keep up with the massive subsides from ALL stakeholders required to compete at this level? What's in it for those effectively excluded from participation in FBS football as athletes and coaches?

So if Im getting this right your plan would be, instead of "an eye for an eye" it would be "a bigot for a bigot"?

If what you say about Liberty is true you want to do the same back to them. Sounds like a solid plan.

No I argue that non-discrimination should be a condition for participating in heavily subsidized athletics, especially since that subsidy comes from everyone.

If LU wants to be private...then be completely private. No taxpayer stadiums, no taxpayer subsidized programs paying for payday games with taxpayer or student funds.

And the same thing goes for the NFL. Let them pay their own bills instead of demanding that cities, taxpayers, and cable subscribers pay for their bills.

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This subsidy situation is getting out of control. And the problem is that there's a day of reckoning coming. The next CFP contract is going to suck, and that will result in a huge haircut in revenue. That will cascade down to the G5 programs, in the form of lower CFP payouts and probably lower payday game payouts too. This will put increasing pressure on our programs to provide more funding from the taxpayers and students to keep our programs running. Make your program irrelevant at best and hostile at worse to a large segment of your stakeholders and it might not end well.

Accommodating LU's discrimination just reminds people of the de facto exclusion of all LGBT people from all coaching and virtually all player positions in FBS (next year there will be one openly Gay player in FBS...last year there were zero ...and there are 11,030 roster slots in FBS). And then there's the problem with access for non-evangelicals too, who are grossly underrepresented. Asking students to borrow 12 grand over 4 years to subsidize an evangelical straights only club that they have little or no access to the benefits from isn't going to be sustainable forever. This really isn't about LU (although LU's policies are so brazen and so overt, as to be obscenely offensive), but about how we continue to sell our programs to the people we need to to keep them alive.

The NCAA and our teams should be trying to figure out how to include more people in their FBS program. Adding LU is just saying 'here's the middle finger - now pay me money'.

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And it can hurt in fundraising too.

Speaking of Liberty, Yahoo wrote a pretty damning article basically requesting that Liberty fire Ian McCaw today for his role in the Baylor mess.

Similar questions were asked of Florida Atlantic and Arizona State who hired former Baylor assistants recently.

honestly as an FAU fan id rather get paid $1 million and win than get paid $1 million dollars and lose badly and possibly have injuries from playing games against people we cant compete against. Wait until you get a body bag game against Texas and your QB has a shoulder injury that lasts half a season.

(05-23-2017 08:35 PM)voss749 Wrote:  honestly as an FAU fan id rather get paid $1 million and win than get paid $1 million dollars and lose badly and possibly have injuries from playing games against people we cant compete against. Wait until you get a body bag game against Texas and your QB has a shoulder injury that lasts half a season.

Did you move up to FBS to play big boy football or not?

(05-23-2017 08:52 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(05-23-2017 08:35 PM)voss749 Wrote:  honestly as an FAU fan id rather get paid $1 million and win than get paid $1 million dollars and lose badly and possibly have injuries from playing games against people we cant compete against. Wait until you get a body bag game against Texas and your QB has a shoulder injury that lasts half a season.

Did you move up to FBS to play big boy football or not?

So taking a paycheck game makes you not FBS now?