(02-18-2018 08:29 AM)mrjoolius Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 07:56 AM)nj alum Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 09:57 PM)mrjoolius Wrote:  do you really think he is going to come back reporting some Rogue "deep state" operations within the FBI & DOJ working to undermine the political process?

Yes.

Wow.

I don't even know how to reply to this. Perhaps I'll be wise, for a change, and just leave this topic be.

Food for thought:

https://www.investors.com/politics/edito...tipp-poll/

Maybe you should watch Fox News. They are at least considered center right. Most articles you've posted to "inform us" are editorial and opinion pieces from Faaaaaarrrr right sources. There is not a shred of balance or ambiguity to the authors leaning. There are always multiple angles of any issue and I'm certainly open to the conservative perspective, but these "deep state" theories run more in line with Obama's birthplace questions or him being Muslim. I've always thought of myself as more of a centrist for my political views. I am in law enforcement. This makes me extremely skeptical of passing judgment before due process has run its course. Contrary to what the white house put out, many in the FBI thought Comey was an honorable & decent director. I don't get that from opinion articles. I get that from talking directly to FBI personnel who have told me this. They don't like that the agency they are proud to serve's integrity is being smeared in a political game.

(02-18-2018 08:46 AM)nj alum Wrote:  In one universe, there is no story because "fair and balanced sources" are not reporting on it.

In the other universe, ...

Is this like a Marvel v DC type thing? Which one is the one with Iron Man again?

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Reading through this thread reminds me of post-Thanksgiving dinner. My two nutty uncles explaining world affairs as they know it. :)

I have a very very close friend who is an FBI supervisory special agent. He is still astonished that anyone could question Comey's integrity. My friend informed, with absolute certainty, that agents regarded Comey as one of, if the greatest, director they've known. I mention that knowing it doesn't mean he is squeaky clean and won't change anyone's opinion.

Guys, Kallstrom is ex-FBI:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/02/1...tions.html

(02-18-2018 09:41 AM)mrjoolius Wrote:  They don't like that the agency they are proud to serve's integrity is being smeared in a political game.

From an outsider's viewpoint, the Washington DC branch of the agency became political ... it can not now lay claim to "being caught in a political game" defense.

Re: the use of the political game defense. Watch closely. On one side, the D's, most of the R's, and the media. On the other side, a few R's, an outsider President, and a PO'd citizenry. In other words, Washington D.C. vs. the rest of us. Who's being political here?

You've heard of the terms "sword" and "shield"? For the last several years, the Washington D.C. branches of the FBI and DOJ used politics as a "sword". They are now using it as a "shield".

The FISA abuses are a matter of record, listed in the Court opinion that I shared previously. An issue at hand surrounds the October, 2016 FISA warrant. The concern is that the Court was not told the truth. If true, that's a major issue.

The Flynn indictment is a matter of record. The judge who took his plea has been recused, and the new judge has ordered that all exculpatory information be given to Flynn. The sentencing is delayed. We have learned that Comey testified under oath to Congress that Flynn did not lie to the FBI, yet Flynn was later indicted for doing just that after Comey left. This morning, the story is that the 302 was altered (and the revisions were destroyed), and that's why Flynn was indicted. If true, that's a major issue.

Within the past year, there has been a complete shake-up / overhaul of three-four top level Washington DC FBI positions. This is a matter of record.

The FBI Director was fired on the recommendation of Rosenstein, and then Sessions. This is a matter of record.

Finally, a congressman indicated in an interview that certain employees of the FBI and DOJ are "co-operating" with the IG's investigation.

The IG report is going to lift the rock, and let the sun shine. Now, whether it's full sun, or a cloudy day, or a solar eclipse, you never know with the world of Washington D.C.

:-)

Back to the whole point, W&M moved too soon ... something's up ... there was no harm in waiting, and some self-inflicted PR harm has been caused by moving too soon.

I'm going back to my previous stance. There is nothing new to bring to the discussion, so I'm done posting on this.

My stance- I think Comey is a great hire done at a less than desirable time. I know others have the complete opposite take. That is perfectly fine. People have their observations and opinions and will stick to them regardless of the reality, right or wrong. We can't even decide on the starting point of reality.

I guess my issue on here is not a difference in opinion. I respect that and having differing opinions is fine. I take issue with time after time trying to back up a point with less than fair sources. These do not convince anybody to change their mind. All it does is keep a thread going that should've been done weeks ago. I understand how you feel and you understand where I'm coming from. Let's just leave it at that.

(02-19-2018 08:59 AM)mrjoolius Wrote:  Let's just leave it at that.

Yes, PLEASE!!

That’s what makes a horse race!! An old school phrase. At the track you have all sorts of people who think they know the winner. They’ve got it. Or, they think they do. There’s a finish line out there. Let’s hope they’ve made the turn and are headed for home.

(02-19-2018 08:59 AM)mrjoolius Wrote:  I guess my issue on here is not a difference in opinion. I respect that and having differing opinions is fine. I take issue with time after time trying to back up a point with less than fair sources.

I suspect that we have a difference of opinion on what is considered a fair source.

Permit me to respond as you've hit a nerve. Something along the lines of "mad as hell and not going to take it any more" (from "Network" about media manipulation).

:-)

On the one hand, you respect a difference of opinion. On the other hand, you take issue with the differing opinion if it's based on a source that you consider not to be fair.

In effect, you really don't respect the differing opinion...because...if I read the same "fair sources" as you do ... it's very likely that we'd have the same opinions.

Let me give you an example based on a paper I wrote at W&M. When Jackson State and Kent State happened, they were front page news for the anti-war papers. They were buried in the pro-war papers.

Today, if something doesn't fit the template of "fair sources", it's not on the front pages, and it's not buried. It's not even reported. If one wants to find out information on a non-reported event, one has to go elsewhere.

In essence, the "fair sources" have driven folks away.

You have highlighted a major problem in today's societal discourse. Half the country has been driven from reading / viewing "fair sources", and their opinions are maligned because they don't follow the "group think" put out by the "fair sources".

My "sources" alerted me to what was going on, and what was going to happen, before the "fair sources" even caught a whiff. I just tried to share it here. In every business or endeavor, this would be considered "gold" ... but it's "poop" in today's societal discourse.

Yea, one man's poop is another man's gold!

:-)

I will stand down as well ... until the IG report comes out. At that point, we will know whether the school committed a self-inflicted error in timing.

This is some world class rationalization. "Half the country" realized they don't have to read things they don't like. So they read what they like and can't understand why it's so hard to find in the mainstream.

I'll believe the last bit when this thread dies.

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Not sure what mainstream news even means anymore. I think it has vanished.

There is obviously a disconnect however. Only one major newspaper - ONE - endorsed Trump in 2016 (the Florida Times Union). Only one TV network gave Trump positive press, that being Fox. Yet Trump registered over. 63 million votes and won 300+ electoral votes and over 30 States.

I think that alone tells you who is out of touch and it's not the people.

That isn't exactly a fair statement. The country is much closer to 50/50 as the last couple presidential elections show. You have your vocal fringe far right/far left, with the bulk of both sides moderately right or moderately left. Motivated voters that don't normally vote every election generally turn the tide. Trump was carried by Republican voters but I'd argue that a good many Republicans are not a fan of Trump. They just will not vote for a Democrat. There are plenty of conservative media outlets out there. They just chose not to endorse Trump either with the controversies that follow him.

(02-20-2018 04:48 PM)mrjoolius Wrote:  That isn't exactly a fair statement. The country is much closer to 50/50 as the last couple presidential elections show. You have your vocal fringe far right/far left, with the bulk of both sides moderately right or moderately left. Motivated voters that don't normally vote every election generally turn the tide. Trump was carried by Republican voters but I'd argue that a good many Republicans are not a fan of Trump. They just will not vote for a Democrat. There are plenty of conservative media outlets out there. They just chose not to endorse Trump either with the controversies that follow him.

How many times are you going to be done talking about this?

Ha ha ha

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The debate will all be over when it's disclosed that Rick Gates was an FBI agent all along, Comey succeeds in taking out, both, Clinton and Trump, with the difficult 7-10 split, the Tribe men win the CAA Basketball Tournament, and Jimmye retires with an FCS championship. All will then be well in W&M land, since the Tribe family will all be good and live happily ever after.

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Mrs Rowe may choose to quietly cancel this relationship.

(02-20-2018 05:56 PM)Tribal Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 04:48 PM)mrjoolius Wrote:  That isn't exactly a fair statement. The country is much closer to 50/50 as the last couple presidential elections show. You have your vocal fringe far right/far left, with the bulk of both sides moderately right or moderately left. Motivated voters that don't normally vote every election generally turn the tide. Trump was carried by Republican voters but I'd argue that a good many Republicans are not a fan of Trump. They just will not vote for a Democrat. There are plenty of conservative media outlets out there. They just chose not to endorse Trump either with the controversies that follow him.

How many times are you going to be done talking about this?

Ha ha ha

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I'm having a hard time. But it's tough not getting in the last word. Ask my wife.

I will endeavor to do better.

Comey along with Anderson Cooper and the CNN cabal have been invited by the associated students to appear on the campus at Wm and Mary. This is probably a chapter in the dog and pony show for the book. Further evidence that stupidity knows no bounds.

We were doing so well. You just couldn't let this thread go away quietly.

(03-27-2018 04:01 PM)mrjoolius Wrote:  We were doing so well. You just couldn't let this thread go away quietly.

This is news. I got it from reliable sources. Unsolicited. Are you in the “let’s whack the messenger camp”?