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RE: Important track/cross country signing
(11-05-2019 02:00 PM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  
(11-04-2019 07:04 PM)bucfan81 Wrote:  
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(11-04-2019 02:37 PM)Buc76 Wrote:  No track? Is that a joke or poking fun. Every high school has a track. How do the coaches recruit with no track?

They use Science Hills track which is as good as we need.

No its not- ETSU needing a new outdoor track is one of the largest needs of the athletic department, and we should do better to support those student-athletes.

I have to disagree with this. Track is not the most important need right now. An on-campus basketball arena is, in my opinion, more important. We are playing in what used to be Science Hill's basketball arena right now. Track is important but is not a major sport like basketball is.

Sorry. etsubuc (and myself) are right on this. It's truly an embarrassment to have an athletic dept. at the level of this university's 'profile', and not have a track facility (other than the Dome, which is still nice in and of itself). Just because track is not a "Tier I" sport doesn't mean it shouldn't be respected. If Science Hill's track was "as good as we need", then their football "stadium" should have been, too. And we all know that's ridiculous. And I only very slightly exaggerate for effect.

This is one of those things that good Buc fans are going to have to agree to disagree about. Go Bucs!
11-05-2019 03:29 PM
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RE: Important track/cross country signing
(11-05-2019 03:29 PM)bucfan81 Wrote:  This is one of those things that good Buc fans are going to have to agree to disagree about. Go Bucs!

Fair enough. I don't suspect Noland and Carter will make such decisions on what we say herein. But they need to hear the arguments, imo. Maybe Watts is too nice a guy. He sure comes across that way.
11-05-2019 04:09 PM
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RE: Important track/cross country signing
(11-05-2019 04:09 PM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  
(11-05-2019 03:29 PM)bucfan81 Wrote:  This is one of those things that good Buc fans are going to have to agree to disagree about. Go Bucs!

Fair enough. I don't suspect Noland and Carter will make such decisions on what we say herein. But they need to hear the arguments, imo. Maybe Watts is too nice a guy. He sure comes across that way.

Agreed. Nothing at all against track and field. I think it will happen in due time but where on campus do we put it?
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RE: Important track/cross country signing
(11-05-2019 05:16 PM)bucfan81 Wrote:  
(11-05-2019 04:09 PM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  
(11-05-2019 03:29 PM)bucfan81 Wrote:  This is one of those things that good Buc fans are going to have to agree to disagree about. Go Bucs!

Fair enough. I don't suspect Noland and Carter will make such decisions on what we say herein. But they need to hear the arguments, imo. Maybe Watts is too nice a guy. He sure comes across that way.

Agreed. Nothing at all against track and field. I think it will happen in due time but where on campus do we put it?

Well.......that's always been the problem since "they" sited the soccer field where they did - and *that* was because paulie and dave thought they had gotten rid of football forever. So their misguided 'leadership' will cause problems FAR into the future. I *think* the most recent master plan had the track somewhere, but I honestly don't remember where that is - and I'm not motivated enough right now to try and find it. It would seem that the large parking lot across from the football/soccer practice fields could be utilized (for something) with the construction of another parking garage - which should eventually happen anyway. Or...........there *may* be room where the current soccer practice field and ropes course are just west of the soccer stadium. I think Watts knows the plan, but I haven't asked him about it. The ropes course could be moved almost anywhere easily.
Or..........they could reconfigure the soccer "stadium" to allow for a track around the perimeter - like should have happened when it was built - and as we've pretty much agreed should have been done from the beginning.

I made a post a year or two ago about how a class should be taught, to both staff (mandatory) and interested students, outlining how mistakes made in the past impact the future. ETSU, and the athletic dept. in particular would be one of the prime case studies. That syllabus would be crowded. 05-stirthepot
11-06-2019 10:57 AM
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Track is not just one sport, its six....men and women outdoor, men and women indoor and men and women cross country. Not having their own track curtails practicing at any other time except when allowed on Science Hills track. Winter months are especially bad. Yes, they have the indoor track, but it's in bad shape, plus the athletes cannot practice a single outdoor running event correctly because the indoor track is not a 400 meter track. They have to run many more turns to get the correct distance. There is no way to get a correct timing. There is no doubt that our track athletes are at a disadvantage, recruiting is difficult and there is no possibility of holding high school or college outdoor events which would be a huge aid in recruiting and would bring additional monies to the area economy.

A track would cost approx 2.5- 3.5 mil and would finally provide each sport an equal chance to compete with our peers.

As far as needing a basketball facility before a track, totally disagree. There is no evidence that not having an on campus facility hampers recruiting or attendance. The one thing that an on campus facility would possible help would be scheduling OOC games. When you consider the cost, at present day dollars, noway could you build a first class facility for less than 70 mil. Then you have to add additional year round monies for upkeep and operations. If anybody knows how to raise that kind of money, please share the info with Scott Carter. I don't want to hear the stock answer, 'get the big donors to pony up'. There are people on this board that constantly complain about the ticket and parking prices. I don't know where they think the money comes from to operate the Athlectic Dept or why they think someone else should foot the bill so they can purchase cheap tickets

The Bucs, correct me if I'm wrong, only had one sellout last year and three the year before. Four sellouts in 30 games. Freedom Hall is at least the second best arena in the Socon and it's being improved each year. Next year should bring ribbon boards, a remodeled hoops club facility and the real possibility of alcohol sales.
11-07-2019 02:31 PM
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(11-07-2019 02:31 PM)Buc76 Wrote:  Track is not just one sport, its six....men and women outdoor, men and women indoor and men and women cross country. Not having their own track curtails practicing at any other time except when allowed on Science Hills track. Winter months are especially bad. Yes, they have the indoor track, but it's in bad shape, plus the athletes cannot practice a single outdoor running event correctly because the indoor track is not a 400 meter track. They have to run many more turns to get the correct distance. There is no way to get a correct timing. There is no doubt that our track athletes are at a disadvantage, recruiting is difficult and there is no possibility of holding high school or college outdoor events which would be a huge aid in recruiting and would bring additional monies to the area economy.

A track would cost approx 2.5- 3.5 mil and would finally provide each sport an equal chance to compete with our peers.

As far as needing a basketball facility before a track, totally disagree. There is no evidence that not having an on campus facility hampers recruiting or attendance. The one thing that an on campus facility would possible help would be scheduling OOC games. When you consider the cost, at present day dollars, noway could you build a first class facility for less than 70 mil. Then you have to add additional year round monies for upkeep and operations. If anybody knows how to raise that kind of money, please share the info with Scott Carter. I don't want to hear the stock answer, 'get the big donors to pony up'. There are people on this board that constantly complain about the ticket and parking prices. I don't know where they think the money comes from to operate the Athlectic Dept or why they think someone else should foot the bill so they can purchase cheap tickets

The Bucs, correct me if I'm wrong, only had one sellout last year and three the year before. Four sellouts in 30 games. Freedom Hall is at least the second best arena in the Socon and it's being improved each year. Next year should bring ribbon boards, a remodeled hoops club facility and the real possibility of alcohol sales.

Yes we know. You are fine having the flagship sport play on a middle school campus.
11-07-2019 02:48 PM
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Brock20 - you continue to bring up a totally non issue, 'playing on a middle school campus'. I've attended at least 25 games since Freedom Hall has been remodeled. We have a group of 5-10 that come to all the big games. Not one time has anybody in our group or anybody we talk to have ever mentioned anything regarding the location. In fact, their comments have been highly complimentary of Freedom Hall. For whatever reason, you are fixated with the location rather than venue that fans as a whole, the players, the coaches and the Athletic Dept are very happy to have a venue like Freedom Hall to play in.

I've never seen a fan or fans looking across at the middle school buildings and turn around and leave because they were next to Freedom Hall.

I would hate to be you sitting in Freedom Hall and rather than watching the Bucs,, thinking and obsessing about a middle school rather than enjoying a Buc win.
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(11-07-2019 04:20 PM)Buc76 Wrote:  Brock20 - you continue to bring up a totally non issue, 'playing on a middle school campus'. I've attended at least 25 games since Freedom Hall has been remodeled. We have a group of 5-10 that come to all the big games. Not one time has anybody in our group or anybody we talk to have ever mentioned anything regarding the location. In fact, their comments have been highly complimentary of Freedom Hall. For whatever reason, you are fixated with the location rather than venue that fans as a whole, the players, the coaches and the Athletic Dept are very happy to have a venue like Freedom Hall to play in.

I've never seen a fan or fans looking across at the middle school buildings and turn around and leave because they were next to Freedom Hall.

I would hate to be you sitting in Freedom Hall and rather than watching the Bucs,, thinking and obsessing about a middle school rather than enjoying a Buc win.

I would hate to be someone who settles for being second class and thinking "i guess this is good enough". sorry if that bothers you.
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RE: Important track/cross country signing
(11-07-2019 04:38 PM)brock20 Wrote:  
(11-07-2019 04:20 PM)Buc76 Wrote:  Brock20 - you continue to bring up a totally non issue, 'playing on a middle school campus'. I've attended at least 25 games since Freedom Hall has been remodeled. We have a group of 5-10 that come to all the big games. Not one time has anybody in our group or anybody we talk to have ever mentioned anything regarding the location. In fact, their comments have been highly complimentary of Freedom Hall. For whatever reason, you are fixated with the location rather than venue that fans as a whole, the players, the coaches and the Athletic Dept are very happy to have a venue like Freedom Hall to play in.

I've never seen a fan or fans looking across at the middle school buildings and turn around and leave because they were next to Freedom Hall.

I would hate to be you sitting in Freedom Hall and rather than watching the Bucs,, thinking and obsessing about a middle school rather than enjoying a Buc win.

I would hate to be someone who settles for being second class and thinking "i guess this is good enough". sorry if that bothers you.

It isn't about settling for 2nd class----it is reality.

At least $70 million and the state isn't going to fund it. Then the cost of the parking garage needed to replace the spaces lost because of the footprint of a new arena. That is roughly the cost of building 3 or 4 ETSU football stadiums. BTW, folks want Greene expanded, a new track, etc.

Then there has just been the funding of the ETSU match for the Martin Center, the Building 60 IPE renovation, matching funds to be raised for the Lamb Hall expansion and then the issue of, perhaps, a new $70 million humanities building and the associated ETSU match.

Tough to understand where the money comes from...tough to sell to academics when folks are teaching in 1950s/60s era classrooms that don't support modern teaching methods.

Short of a major (read that REALLY MAJOR) donor coming forward, a new basketball arena is not on the horizon during my lifetime.
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Important track/cross country signing
If I win the lottery (with a high enough payout), I will promise to work with the school to fully fund an on campus basketball arena AND an outdoor track facility. I’ll want naming rights though and significant input on the design.
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Varghese earns return trip to the Nationals:

https://www.johnsoncitypress.com/Cross-C...&lp=15&p=1
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