The republicans voted to can Obamacare 54 times during Obama's presidency, but now they have the executive, legislative branches and a tie in the judicial branch and why can't they overturn it now. They sure can obstruct the country but they sure cannot pass legislation.

GO HUSKIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sure seems like they had enough time to come up with an alternative that at least Republicans can agree on.

Not so easy to come up with a better plan.

No argument here, pathetic that this was not better thought out. Too many factions in the party right now. The good thing is that anything is better than Obamacare, so at least if anything passes, it can't be worse.

(03-23-2017 07:53 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  No argument here, pathetic that this was not better thought out. Too many factions in the party right now. The good thing is that anything is better than Obamacare, so at least if anything passes, it can't be worse.

It defitinitely needs tweeking, but why do they have to repeal the whole thing? It's all politics and greed. They don't want anything that could help millions of people just because it has Obama's name attached to it. And they put in huge tax breaks for the rich into their healthcare plan and it would leave millions of people without insurance.

(03-23-2017 08:04 PM)NIU17 Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 07:53 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  No argument here, pathetic that this was not better thought out. Too many factions in the party right now. The good thing is that anything is better than Obamacare, so at least if anything passes, it can't be worse.

It defitinitely needs tweeking, but why do they have to repeal the whole thing? It's all politics and greed. They don't want anything that could help millions of people just because it has Obama's name attached to it. And they put in huge tax breaks for the rich into their healthcare plan and it would leave millions of people without insurance.

Because it's not sustainable. It's beginning a death spiral. Much easier to start from scratch than try and recover that. No one mans legacy is worth hurting Americans

(03-23-2017 09:15 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 08:04 PM)NIU17 Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 07:53 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  No argument here, pathetic that this was not better thought out. Too many factions in the party right now. The good thing is that anything is better than Obamacare, so at least if anything passes, it can't be worse.

It defitinitely needs tweeking, but why do they have to repeal the whole thing? It's all politics and greed. They don't want anything that could help millions of people just because it has Obama's name attached to it. And they put in huge tax breaks for the rich into their healthcare plan and it would leave millions of people without insurance.

Because it's not sustainable. It's beginning a death spiral. Much easier to start from scratch than try and recover that. No one mans legacy is worth hurting Americans

How is giving millions of people health insurance hurting them?

(03-23-2017 06:12 PM)pantone1935 Wrote:  The republicans voted to can Obamacare 54 times during Obama's presidency, but now they have the executive, legislative branches and a tie in the judicial branch and why can't they overturn it now. They sure can obstruct the country but they sure cannot pass legislation.

GO HUSKIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So, what is your point? Are you arguing that the Republicans should all fall in line like lemmings behind the leadership's plan, good or bad? Discord in a party is positive.

Or, should we look what it took to pass Obamacare, like the Cornhusker kickback, or the Louisiana Purchase, part 2?

What exactly is your point?

Classy call out too.

(03-23-2017 10:54 PM)NIU17 Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 09:15 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 08:04 PM)NIU17 Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 07:53 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  No argument here, pathetic that this was not better thought out. Too many factions in the party right now. The good thing is that anything is better than Obamacare, so at least if anything passes, it can't be worse.

It defitinitely needs tweeking, but why do they have to repeal the whole thing? It's all politics and greed. They don't want anything that could help millions of people just because it has Obama's name attached to it. And they put in huge tax breaks for the rich into their healthcare plan and it would leave millions of people without insurance.

Because it's not sustainable. It's beginning a death spiral. Much easier to start from scratch than try and recover that. No one mans legacy is worth hurting Americans

How is giving millions of people health insurance hurting them?

It didn't "give" people anything. It subsidized some people purchasing insurance. Nothing in life is free.

It is unsustainable because it is helping to drive up costs. What was the affordability of care within those exchange offered policies? How many people could afford the high deductibles? So, congrats. You have a policy, but can't afford the care under it.

Adding kids up to the age of 26 as standard on every policy drives up costs. Controlling the multiple of costs versus benefit to a maximum of 3:1 pushed costs from those who used healthcare to those who don't. And, those who don't, the young and healthy, chose to pay the penalty and not buy insurance. Have you not read about the troubles of many of the state exchanges?

(03-24-2017 11:35 AM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 10:54 PM)NIU17 Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 09:15 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 08:04 PM)NIU17 Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 07:53 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  No argument here, pathetic that this was not better thought out. Too many factions in the party right now. The good thing is that anything is better than Obamacare, so at least if anything passes, it can't be worse.

It defitinitely needs tweeking, but why do they have to repeal the whole thing? It's all politics and greed. They don't want anything that could help millions of people just because it has Obama's name attached to it. And they put in huge tax breaks for the rich into their healthcare plan and it would leave millions of people without insurance.

Because it's not sustainable. It's beginning a death spiral. Much easier to start from scratch than try and recover that. No one mans legacy is worth hurting Americans

How is giving millions of people health insurance hurting them?

It didn't "give" people anything. It subsidized some people purchasing insurance. Nothing in life is free.

It is unsustainable because it is helping to drive up costs. What was the affordability of care within those exchange offered policies? How many people could afford the high deductibles? So, congrats. You have a policy, but can't afford the care under it.

Adding kids up to the age of 26 as standard on every policy drives up costs. Controlling the multiple of costs versus benefit to a maximum of 3:1 pushed costs from those who used healthcare to those who don't. And, those who don't, the young and healthy, chose to pay the penalty and not buy insurance. Have you not read about the troubles of many of the state exchanges?

If it's subsidized, it essentially did give them something. Of course, they were subsidized before this, because they didn't have insurance but still would go to the hospital and receive care, which everyone else paid for.

(03-24-2017 11:35 AM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 10:54 PM)NIU17 Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 09:15 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 08:04 PM)NIU17 Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 07:53 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  No argument here, pathetic that this was not better thought out. Too many factions in the party right now. The good thing is that anything is better than Obamacare, so at least if anything passes, it can't be worse.

It defitinitely needs tweeking, but why do they have to repeal the whole thing? It's all politics and greed. They don't want anything that could help millions of people just because it has Obama's name attached to it. And they put in huge tax breaks for the rich into their healthcare plan and it would leave millions of people without insurance.

Because it's not sustainable. It's beginning a death spiral. Much easier to start from scratch than try and recover that. No one mans legacy is worth hurting Americans

How is giving millions of people health insurance hurting them?

It didn't "give" people anything. It subsidized some people purchasing insurance. Nothing in life is free.

It is unsustainable because it is helping to drive up costs. What was the affordability of care within those exchange offered policies? How many people could afford the high deductibles? So, congrats. You have a policy, but can't afford the care under it.

Adding kids up to the age of 26 as standard on every policy drives up costs. Controlling the multiple of costs versus benefit to a maximum of 3:1 pushed costs from those who used healthcare to those who don't. And, those who don't, the young and healthy, chose to pay the penalty and not buy insurance. Have you not read about the troubles of many of the state exchanges?

Many people were helped and some were not. There are issues with it that can be fixed. Do you like the new plan or do you want to repeal and not replace? The costs of healthcare were rising out of control way before Obamacare.

(03-24-2017 02:56 PM)NIU17 Wrote:  

(03-24-2017 11:35 AM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 10:54 PM)NIU17 Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 09:15 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 08:04 PM)NIU17 Wrote:  It defitinitely needs tweeking, but why do they have to repeal the whole thing? It's all politics and greed. They don't want anything that could help millions of people just because it has Obama's name attached to it. And they put in huge tax breaks for the rich into their healthcare plan and it would leave millions of people without insurance.

Because it's not sustainable. It's beginning a death spiral. Much easier to start from scratch than try and recover that. No one mans legacy is worth hurting Americans

How is giving millions of people health insurance hurting them?

It didn't "give" people anything. It subsidized some people purchasing insurance. Nothing in life is free.

It is unsustainable because it is helping to drive up costs. What was the affordability of care within those exchange offered policies? How many people could afford the high deductibles? So, congrats. You have a policy, but can't afford the care under it.

Adding kids up to the age of 26 as standard on every policy drives up costs. Controlling the multiple of costs versus benefit to a maximum of 3:1 pushed costs from those who used healthcare to those who don't. And, those who don't, the young and healthy, chose to pay the penalty and not buy insurance. Have you not read about the troubles of many of the state exchanges?

Many people were helped and some were not. There are issues with it that can be fixed. Do you like the new plan or do you want to repeal and not replace? The costs of healthcare were rising out of control way before Obamacare.

If you question him, that's when the insults start.

(03-24-2017 02:56 PM)NIU17 Wrote:  

(03-24-2017 11:35 AM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 10:54 PM)NIU17 Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 09:15 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 08:04 PM)NIU17 Wrote:  It defitinitely needs tweeking, but why do they have to repeal the whole thing? It's all politics and greed. They don't want anything that could help millions of people just because it has Obama's name attached to it. And they put in huge tax breaks for the rich into their healthcare plan and it would leave millions of people without insurance.

Because it's not sustainable. It's beginning a death spiral. Much easier to start from scratch than try and recover that. No one mans legacy is worth hurting Americans

How is giving millions of people health insurance hurting them?

It didn't "give" people anything. It subsidized some people purchasing insurance. Nothing in life is free.

It is unsustainable because it is helping to drive up costs. What was the affordability of care within those exchange offered policies? How many people could afford the high deductibles? So, congrats. You have a policy, but can't afford the care under it.

Adding kids up to the age of 26 as standard on every policy drives up costs. Controlling the multiple of costs versus benefit to a maximum of 3:1 pushed costs from those who used healthcare to those who don't. And, those who don't, the young and healthy, chose to pay the penalty and not buy insurance. Have you not read about the troubles of many of the state exchanges?

Many people were helped and some were not. There are issues with it that can be fixed. Do you like the new plan or do you want to repeal and not replace? The costs of healthcare were rising out of control way before Obamacare.

Yeah but with Obamacare millions and millions are on bettor of losing coverage just through unrealistic deductibles alone It's more than broke

(03-24-2017 02:56 PM)NIU17 Wrote:  

(03-24-2017 11:35 AM)GeorgeBorkFan Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 10:54 PM)NIU17 Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 09:15 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(03-23-2017 08:04 PM)NIU17 Wrote:  It defitinitely needs tweeking, but why do they have to repeal the whole thing? It's all politics and greed. They don't want anything that could help millions of people just because it has Obama's name attached to it. And they put in huge tax breaks for the rich into their healthcare plan and it would leave millions of people without insurance.

Because it's not sustainable. It's beginning a death spiral. Much easier to start from scratch than try and recover that. No one mans legacy is worth hurting Americans

How is giving millions of people health insurance hurting them?

It didn't "give" people anything. It subsidized some people purchasing insurance. Nothing in life is free.

It is unsustainable because it is helping to drive up costs. What was the affordability of care within those exchange offered policies? How many people could afford the high deductibles? So, congrats. You have a policy, but can't afford the care under it.

Adding kids up to the age of 26 as standard on every policy drives up costs. Controlling the multiple of costs versus benefit to a maximum of 3:1 pushed costs from those who used healthcare to those who don't. And, those who don't, the young and healthy, chose to pay the penalty and not buy insurance. Have you not read about the troubles of many of the state exchanges?

Many people were helped and some were not. There are issues with it that can be fixed. Do you like the new plan or do you want to repeal and not replace? The costs of healthcare were rising out of control way before Obamacare.

Who was helped and who was hurt? Define "helped." If people who didn't have coverage now have coverage, but can't afford the high deductible or co-pays, in the end, what good is that?

The costs of healthcare are still rising out of control. So, Obamacare did nothing there.

Why are so many companies dropping out of the state exchanges? Those aren't working either. The economics aren't working because not enough young, healthy people are buying the policies as was assumed by the Democrats.

I want repeal. I want the federal government to lessen its involvement in healthcare. I want the purchase of a policy purchased by an individual to be treated the same, tax wise, as a group policy purchased by an employer. Currently, if you have insurance through work, you get the best policy for your employer, not for you. I want the individual to have more choice in picking what is best for them.

I applaud Massachusetts for Romneycare, even though I think it is a bad idea. This is an issue that can be handled at the state level. Let each state decide what is best for that state.

(03-24-2017 03:52 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  If you question him, that's when the insults start.

WTF.

Just hilarious that TIny Hands promises better coverage for much less $ and soon after he is inaugurated and this Epic Fail happens.

(03-28-2017 01:01 PM)Policiious Wrote:  Just hilarious that TIny Hands promises better coverage for much less $ and soon after he is inaugurated and this Epic Fail happens.

He's already moved on the climate stuff to try to make people forget what happened.

Did you ever notice how the biggest advocates of Obamacare are not enrolled in Obamacare?

If Obamacare is so great, why don't Shmucky Chucky Schumer and the rest of the remaining congressional Democrats get on the plan?

(04-26-2017 04:25 PM)Huskie_Jon Wrote:  Did you ever notice how the biggest advocates of Obamacare are not enrolled in Obamacare?

If Obamacare is so great, why don't Shmucky Chucky Schumer and the rest of the remaining congressional Democrats get on the plan?

The biggest advocates of Obamacare are the people that didn't have any coverage before because they couldn't afford it but have it now.

(04-26-2017 06:35 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(04-26-2017 04:25 PM)Huskie_Jon Wrote:  Did you ever notice how the biggest advocates of Obamacare are not enrolled in Obamacare?

If Obamacare is so great, why don't Shmucky Chucky Schumer and the rest of the remaining congressional Democrats get on the plan?

The biggest advocates of Obamacare are the people that didn't have any coverage before because they couldn't afford it but have it now.

Nope. Jon is right. The biggest mouths yapping about how great Obamacare is that are saying we need to keep it are those who don't buy their ins. from the gov exchange. So honestly they have no idea. I have to buy mine from the gov site. And I am here to tell you it is a mess.
There is just 1 good thing - it's a very big thing though - that can be credited to ACA & that is the elimination of pre-existing conditions. That is HUGE and most certainly helped many many people - me & my husband are just 2 of them. Aside from that, all of the stupid mandates are really driving up costs.

3 years ago, we had 6 insurance companies to choose from.
When we got on the IL exchange this year, we had only TWO insurance companies to choose from based on our zip code (Have to enter your zip code to get access to the offered policies. Depending on where you live costs vary & companies vary) Blue Cross & Health Alliance were our 2 choices. Based on projected adjusted gross income of between $34k and less than $42K (for married couple) the least expensive policy was going to cost $1,300 per month WITH A SUBSIDY. For that $1,300 per month, we would have had an 80/20 policy with family deductible of $8,000 per year with a max out of pocket per year of $18,000. Yes, that is EIGHTEEN THOUSAND DOLLARS. For 1 year.

So figure that out. $1,300 paid per month for the premium is $15,600 for the year just in cost of buying the insurance. Now figure in the deductible of $8,000 & you're at $23,600 out of pocket before the insurance pays anything!
Ok let's say you have an emergency - like you need your appendix out or you trip over the dog & fall breaking your leg & dislocating your shoulder. You require surgery so you have hospital bills. You have to pay your deductible plus you can possibly pay out of pocket up to an additional $18,000 before you are covered 100% & have to pay no more. So potentially you could spend $41,600 in 1 year. I ask again...is this what you call affordable?

The way "around" this? You have to make sure you don't make any money. Yep. You must deliberately not try to get ahead in life & try to make more. I entered in (on the gov marketplace site) various scenarios of income. Making each lower & lower. I settled on an adjusted GROSS income for the 2 of us for 2017 at $31,999. We cannot make more than that or we will pay a penalty. At that income level we had a few more possible policies to choose from. What I chose is a "silver" Blue Cross policy with a $1,400 yearly family deductible (family is 2 of us - me & husband) with a max out of pocket of $4,000 for the year. We pay $792 per month WITH a subsidy. Our policy bills at $2,497 per month! The subsidy covers everything over $792. WHO the hell could afford to pay $2500 a month for health insurance??? That number is insane!

For us, The $792 is $9,504 per year for the premiums. Add in our max out of pocket & we're at $13,504 possible out of pocket costs for the year. That is about 42% of our total gross income for the year. 42%. Now what does that leave for everything else it takes to live? House payment. Real estate taxes. upkeep on our house. groceries. car ins. & maintenance. utilities. Our house is paid for thank God. We could never make a house payment & pay for health ins. Now tell me how AFFORDABLE and great Obamacare is. I don't think people who are not stuck with ACA should be voicing an opinion. Because they know nothing about it.

It is insane that in order to get any kind of reasonable health insurance people have to make less money & take gov. assistance. I hate it. We grew up working hard & making our own way. We USED to be upper middle class. Not any more. :-(

Not having pre-existing condition exclusions drives up the cost a lot by itself.