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RE: Keatts to NC State
(02-26-2018 05:20 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote: Of course I’m allowed to judge who isn’t a good person. That is one ability that separates us as humans from lesser beings.
I said you don't get to DICTATE who is or isn't, it's your opinion and we differ. The bottom line is I will continue to comment and provide updates on Keatts as a former Seahawk as we've always done. Whether your opinion of him is good or bad is irrelevant as to whether I post updates. Feel free to ignore if you want to "move on".
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RE: Keatts to NC State
(02-26-2018 04:55 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: (02-26-2018 04:33 PM)82hawk Wrote: I have a different opinion. Sorry, but you don't get to dictate who was/wasn't a good/bad person. They were our two most successful coaches and moved on. We followed Brownell and updated this board, and I will do the same with Keatts whether you personally like him or not. You have your opinion, I have mine. Hate to burst your bubble, but Brownell didn't have a whole lot of fans close to the program at UNCW while he was here.
You conveniently dodged my question, Who left the program in better shape when they left? Brownell, or the other former coach.
Hmm. Let me see. UNCW went 7-22 overall and 4-14 in the CAA the year after Brownell left. We just finished 10-20 and 7-11 in the conference. You tell me.
Oh, and let's take a look at the roster Brownell left behind. Vlad(13.6 ppg), Todd Hendley(11.1 ppg), Daniel Fountain(10.0 ppg), Montez Downey(8.1 ppg) and (gulp), Temi Soyebo(7.2 ppg). With Horowitz(5.3 ppg), Darryl Felder(3.9 ppg), JOSH SHEETS(1.7 ppg), and Dejan Grkovic(3.9 ppg) off the bench. Possibly our worst roster in history(and let's not forget, he took our prize recruit with him). Compare that to Talley, Taylor, Fornes, Bryan and Cacok. Night and day. Our roster would smoke them now, and it wouldn't be close.
I think you may have picked a really bad argument to make your point...
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RE: Keatts to NC State
(02-26-2018 05:39 PM)82hawk Wrote: (02-26-2018 05:20 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote: Of course I’m allowed to judge who isn’t a good person. That is one ability that separates us as humans from lesser beings.
I said you don't get to DICTATE who is or isn't, it's your opinion and we differ. The bottom line is I will continue to comment and provide updates on Keatts as a former Seahawk as we've always done. Whether your opinion of him is good or bad is irrelevant as to whether I post updates. Feel free to ignore if you want to "move on".
Crickets to my question ...... again because the easy answer to it doesn’t fit your agenda
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RE: Keatts to NC State
(02-26-2018 05:50 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: (02-26-2018 05:39 PM)82hawk Wrote: (02-26-2018 05:20 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote: Of course I’m allowed to judge who isn’t a good person. That is one ability that separates us as humans from lesser beings.
I said you don't get to DICTATE who is or isn't, it's your opinion and we differ. The bottom line is I will continue to comment and provide updates on Keatts as a former Seahawk as we've always done. Whether your opinion of him is good or bad is irrelevant as to whether I post updates. Feel free to ignore if you want to "move on".
Crickets to my question ...... again because the easy answer to it doesn’t fit your agenda
I answered his question first.
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RE: Keatts to NC State
And while were at it, let's look at what was accomplished for the basketball program under Keatts. He convinced donors to renovate our locker room to one of the best in the conference. Keatts instituted flights to games instead of bus rides so they could get to class and be more rested to compete. Keatts arranged off campus accomodations for players instead of crappy dorms. All of which will pay dividends far after he departed. What did Brownell accomplish with donors?
Want to really know what's going on? Go ask the "rebounders" how they feel now.
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RE: Keatts to NC State
(02-26-2018 05:50 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: (02-26-2018 05:39 PM)82hawk Wrote: (02-26-2018 05:20 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote: Of course I’m allowed to judge who isn’t a good person. That is one ability that separates us as humans from lesser beings.
I said you don't get to DICTATE who is or isn't, it's your opinion and we differ. The bottom line is I will continue to comment and provide updates on Keatts as a former Seahawk as we've always done. Whether your opinion of him is good or bad is irrelevant as to whether I post updates. Feel free to ignore if you want to "move on".
Crickets to my question ...... again because the easy answer to it doesn’t fit your agenda
Crickets to my proof and your lack of proof that we were better off after Brownell, because it doesn't fit your agenda. I can play that too, but I actually present facts instead of emotion.
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RE: Keatts to NC State
I want more Billy Donlon updates.
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RE: Keatts to NC State
(02-26-2018 07:23 PM)bricksnivy Wrote: I want more Billy Donlon updates.
He's been demoted to an assistant at Northwestern. He doesn't rate his own thread.
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RE: Keatts to NC State
82- they won 20 games in Benny’s second season with Brownells guys. You can’t look at me with a straight face and say it was left better, because we both know that’s not the case. If one or two of the recruits were not scared away and CJ stayed, absolutely. But, that’s not the case
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RE: Keatts to NC State
(02-26-2018 08:23 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: 82- they won 20 games in Benny’s second season with Brownells guys. You can’t look at me with a straight face and say it was left better, because we both know that’s not the case. If one or two of the recruits were not scared away and CJ stayed, absolutely. But, that’s not the case
I see you skipped over the first year results and the roster left by Brownell. The roster sucked and we sucked. Let's talk about year two in year two. The fact is our program was left in great shape by Keatts. Elmore was injured and Richmond left. If they were on the court, we'd be much better now. You also ignore the improvements Keatts brought to the program. Try as you might, the facts don't fit your emotions.
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RE: Keatts to NC State
(02-26-2018 08:29 PM)82hawk Wrote: (02-26-2018 08:23 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: 82- they won 20 games in Benny’s second season with Brownells guys. You can’t look at me with a straight face and say it was left better, because we both know that’s not the case. If one or two of the recruits were not scared away and CJ stayed, absolutely. But, that’s not the case
I see you skipped over the first year results and the roster left by Brownell. The roster sucked and we sucked. Let's talk about year two in year two. The fact is our program was left in great shape by Keatts. Elmore was injured and Richmond left. If they were on the court, we'd be much better now. You also ignore the improvements Keatts brought to the program. Try as you might, the facts don't fit your emotions.
Never once have I ignored his accomplishments, not once. You just can’t see anything objectively because you can’t get off his junk for whatever reason. If you can look at the roster Brownell left vs what Keatts left and think it’s better you should watch more basketball. Moss year 1 results were more about him learning coaching than his personnel. That team had way more depth than this years team and that’s largely due to the way Our former coach left it. Not to mention the league back then was MUCH tougher with Mason, VCU and ODU in it
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RE: Keatts to NC State
(02-26-2018 07:23 PM)bricksnivy Wrote: I want more Billy Donlon updates.
Mark Byington has Georgia Southern prime for the post season. Don't sleep on them during the Sun Belt Tournament
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RE: Keatts to NC State
(02-26-2018 08:51 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: (02-26-2018 08:29 PM)82hawk Wrote: (02-26-2018 08:23 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: 82- they won 20 games in Benny’s second season with Brownells guys. You can’t look at me with a straight face and say it was left better, because we both know that’s not the case. If one or two of the recruits were not scared away and CJ stayed, absolutely. But, that’s not the case
I see you skipped over the first year results and the roster left by Brownell. The roster sucked and we sucked. Let's talk about year two in year two. The fact is our program was left in great shape by Keatts. Elmore was injured and Richmond left. If they were on the court, we'd be much better now. You also ignore the improvements Keatts brought to the program. Try as you might, the facts don't fit your emotions.
Never once have I ignored his accomplishments, not once. You just can’t see anything objectively because you can’t get off his junk for whatever reason. If you can look at the roster Brownell left vs what Keatts left and think it’s better you should watch more basketball. Moss year 1 results were more about him learning coaching than his personnel. That team had way more depth than this years team and that’s largely due to the way Our former coach left it. Not to mention the league back then was MUCH tougher with Mason, VCU and ODU in it
What I see is we were wollering in shat for ten years. And Keatts pulled us out of that shat and cleaned us up and got us back on a track of success. And we are still in position to plug some holes and get right back on track. That's all I care about.
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RE: Keatts to NC State
Cacok>Vlad, Hendley>Bryan, Fornes>Downey, Taylor>Fountain, Talley>Temi. Elmore, Richmond, Gary and Estime were better than Sheets, Felder, Horowitz and Dejan. Four of our five starters are better today, and our whole bench would have been better with Elmore and Richmond, minus injury and dismissal(not Keatts fault).
Your argument just doesn't hold water. And yes, I know basketball. Thus my prediction NCSU would finish top 5 this year and that they would be far better than anyone here predicted.
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RE: Keatts to NC State
(02-26-2018 09:30 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote: (02-26-2018 08:51 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: (02-26-2018 08:29 PM)82hawk Wrote: (02-26-2018 08:23 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: 82- they won 20 games in Benny’s second season with Brownells guys. You can’t look at me with a straight face and say it was left better, because we both know that’s not the case. If one or two of the recruits were not scared away and CJ stayed, absolutely. But, that’s not the case
I see you skipped over the first year results and the roster left by Brownell. The roster sucked and we sucked. Let's talk about year two in year two. The fact is our program was left in great shape by Keatts. Elmore was injured and Richmond left. If they were on the court, we'd be much better now. You also ignore the improvements Keatts brought to the program. Try as you might, the facts don't fit your emotions.
Never once have I ignored his accomplishments, not once. You just can’t see anything objectively because you can’t get off his junk for whatever reason. If you can look at the roster Brownell left vs what Keatts left and think it’s better you should watch more basketball. Moss year 1 results were more about him learning coaching than his personnel. That team had way more depth than this years team and that’s largely due to the way Our former coach left it. Not to mention the league back then was MUCH tougher with Mason, VCU and ODU in it
What I see is we were wollering in shat for ten years. And Keatts pulled us out of that shat and cleaned us up and got us back on a track of success. And we are still in position to plug some holes and get right back on track. That's all I care about.
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RE: Keatts to NC State
Nothing wrong with the majority of the banter here, just keep it clean. No need to be mentioning man parts or anything like that.
The back and forth here should make for an interesting off-season (men's bball) on the boards, especially during the NCAAs at least.
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RE: Keatts to NC State
(02-26-2018 10:36 AM)Gary Miller Wrote: The NCAA has recently gotten better at not punishing teams for prior players/coaches wrongdoings. Worst case scenario for NC State is they get all of last years wins vacated... Which I don't think anyone in Raleigh is going to mind to much. Keatts is going to be fine. I'm not saying he's clean, I'm just saying he's done a really good job of keeping his name out of anything related to Louisville. He would've been caught by now if they had something on him.
I would like to think that is true but the truth is there are coaches walking around right now in college gyms who have been cheating for years but not caught. To say that Keatts is clean is would be a joke. Pitino was such a lightning rod and has 100% of the attention on him at all times that it makes him a easy target. Keatts appears to have survived the train wreck at Louisville -for now. Keatts is a smart guy and might skate for a while but NCSU coaches have a long history of getting snagged and I think the same will happen with Keatts. Until then he will win games and promote himself at every street corner for the next job. Not a good guy is how I see Keatts.
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RE: Keatts to NC State
(02-27-2018 08:42 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote: To say that Keatts is clean is would be a joke.
Yep. He was named the nation's most feared recruiter before he arrived at UNCW. You don't get to that level without being ruthless, to a degree, and bending the rules where you can.
Keatts is probably a great dad, fun person to hang out with, and treats his players well. I did get a chance to talk to him a couple times, albeit briefly, and came away from the interaction liking him. I also sat at the press table a few feet away from him at every home game, and his in-game interactions were solid as well.
Just wanted to make that part clear. I don't dislike him because of his personality or anything like that. I dislike him for how things went down when he departed. I wasn't bitter at the time he left. But new information came to light that changed all that. Again, he might be a great guy outside of his profession. But when he put on the suit, he was the biggest shark amongst a large contingent of other sharks.
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RE: Keatts to NC State
(02-27-2018 08:50 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote: (02-27-2018 08:42 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote: To say that Keatts is clean is would be a joke.
Just wanted to make that part clear. I don't dislike him because of his personality or anything like that. I dislike him for how things went down when he departed. I wasn't bitter at the time he left. But new information came to light that changed all that. Again, he might be a great guy outside of his profession. But when he put on the suit, he was the biggest shark amongst a large contingent of other sharks.
DING DING DING, THIS!!!^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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RE: Keatts to NC State
(02-26-2018 09:33 PM)82hawk Wrote: Cacok>Vlad, Hendley>Bryan, Fornes>Downey, Taylor>Fountain, Talley>Temi. Elmore, Richmond, Gary and Estime were better than Sheets, Felder, Horowitz and Dejan. Four of our five starters are better today, and our whole bench would have been better with Elmore and Richmond, minus injury and dismissal(not Keatts fault).
Your argument just doesn't hold water. And yes, I know basketball. Thus my prediction NCSU would finish top 5 this year and that they would be far better than anyone here predicted.
So you are counting guys that CB recruited for your argument as to what our former coach left>? SMH
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