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(03-21-2017 09:18 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 09:10 AM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  Before throwing stones, we need to look in the mirror ourselves. Coaches leave VCU with regularity because it is an established program that routinely makes the NCAA tourney, and their next position is always a "step up". Coaches leave ODU to go to rehab or Trembling Hills retirement villa after mediocre seasons. I loathe VCU with every fiber of my being, but they are just better now, and probably will continue to be through this latest coaching change. I celebrate their tears, but that sweet taste does not elevate ODU one bit.

Right on point...and regardless of coaching changes they continue to make the NCAA tournament. Us on the other hand have not sniffed the NCAAs in over 5 years.

6 years. A generation and a half of college students.
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(03-21-2017 10:11 AM)paintedblue2 Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 09:18 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 09:10 AM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  Before throwing stones, we need to look in the mirror ourselves. Coaches leave VCU with regularity because it is an established program that routinely makes the NCAA tourney, and their next position is always a "step up". Coaches leave ODU to go to rehab or Trembling Hills retirement villa after mediocre seasons. I loathe VCU with every fiber of my being, but they are just better now, and probably will continue to be through this latest coaching change. I celebrate their tears, but that sweet taste does not elevate ODU one bit.

Right on point...and regardless of coaching changes they continue to make the NCAA tournament. Us on the other hand have not sniffed the NCAAs in over 5 years.

Our divergent paths have a lot to do with this. The fact that they are in the A-10 makes it substantially easier for them to make the NCAA's than it is for us in CUSA. That said, I would not trade our position for theirs if it meant we had to revert to FCS football, or like them, have no football at all.

This is where you and I differ, and I think I'm in the minority. I would trade away football in a heartbeat if it meant being in the A10 and making the tournament every year.
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RE: The Decline of VCU Basketball
(03-21-2017 10:11 AM)odu09 Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 09:18 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 09:10 AM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  Before throwing stones, we need to look in the mirror ourselves. Coaches leave VCU with regularity because it is an established program that routinely makes the NCAA tourney, and their next position is always a "step up". Coaches leave ODU to go to rehab or Trembling Hills retirement villa after mediocre seasons. I loathe VCU with every fiber of my being, but they are just better now, and probably will continue to be through this latest coaching change. I celebrate their tears, but that sweet taste does not elevate ODU one bit.

Right on point...and regardless of coaching changes they continue to make the NCAA tournament. Us on the other hand have not sniffed the NCAAs in over 5 years.

6 years. A generation and a half of college students.

3 straight graduating classes that didn't get to witness a birth as 4 year students.
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RE: The Decline of VCU Basketball
(03-21-2017 08:13 AM)north beach monarch Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 07:36 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  Did Rhoades interview for the job when they hired Wade?

no he removed his name from consideration.
Why would Rhodes go backward to that job, a stepping stone, 1 and done in the NCAA and then look for another job

Rhoades has gotten Rice to the next level and it doesn't look like they take the next step in the next year or 2. He could have the chance to move up a notch despite having 1 winning record. Why not go to VCU for a couple years and look to move up like every other coach they've had?

OTOH, why would VCU go after Rhoades? There are much better mid major and lower coaches that would see VCU as a step up. Maybe they've learned just because they hire a coach with VCU connections doesn't mean the coach will stay. Christian is a good coach and has the most ties to the area. Why Rhoades over him if they want someone connected? Or just go from outside of the VCU coaching circle.

I just love seeing VCU scramble despite their winning ways. 2 days ago Wade "turned down NC State" and they loved him. (cant believe they actually think he turned down NC State). Now, he chose a crappy SEC school and they all say he's the most hated coach of all time. LOL
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RE: The Decline of VCU Basketball
(03-21-2017 10:16 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 08:13 AM)north beach monarch Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 07:36 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  Did Rhoades interview for the job when they hired Wade?

no he removed his name from consideration.
Why would Rhodes go backward to that job, a stepping stone, 1 and done in the NCAA and then look for another job

Rhoades has gotten Rice to the next level and it doesn't look like they take the next step in the next year or 2. He could have the chance to move up a notch despite having 1 winning record. Why not go to VCU for a couple years and look to move up like every other coach they've had?

OTOH, why would VCU go after Rhoades? There are much better mid major and lower coaches that would see VCU as a step up. Maybe they've learned just because they hire a coach with VCU connections doesn't mean the coach will stay. Christian is a good coach and has the most ties to the area. Why Rhoades over him if they want someone connected? Or just go from outside of the VCU coaching circle.

I just love seeing VCU scramble despite their winning ways. 2 days ago Wade "turned down NC State" and they loved him. (cant believe they actually think he turned down NC State). Now, he chose a crappy SEC school and they all say he's the most hated coach of all time. LOL

Yea, if he took the job at LSU, there is no way he turned down NC State. Keatts had to be the number 1 guy in Raleigh.
03-21-2017 10:20 AM
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RE: The Decline of VCU Basketball
(03-21-2017 10:13 AM)odu09 Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 10:11 AM)paintedblue2 Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 09:18 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 09:10 AM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  Before throwing stones, we need to look in the mirror ourselves. Coaches leave VCU with regularity because it is an established program that routinely makes the NCAA tourney, and their next position is always a "step up". Coaches leave ODU to go to rehab or Trembling Hills retirement villa after mediocre seasons. I loathe VCU with every fiber of my being, but they are just better now, and probably will continue to be through this latest coaching change. I celebrate their tears, but that sweet taste does not elevate ODU one bit.

Right on point...and regardless of coaching changes they continue to make the NCAA tournament. Us on the other hand have not sniffed the NCAAs in over 5 years.

Our divergent paths have a lot to do with this. The fact that they are in the A-10 makes it substantially easier for them to make the NCAA's than it is for us in CUSA. That said, I would not trade our position for theirs if it meant we had to revert to FCS football, or like them, have no football at all.

This is where you and I differ, and I think I'm in the minority. I would trade away football in a heartbeat if it meant being in the A10 and making the tournament every year.

Really? No way could I make that choice. Hell, if we were told we could join the SEC if but had to dump basketball I'd be the first one lining up to tear down the Ted. lol
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RE: The Decline of VCU Basketball
(03-21-2017 10:13 AM)odu09 Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 10:11 AM)paintedblue2 Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 09:18 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 09:10 AM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  Before throwing stones, we need to look in the mirror ourselves. Coaches leave VCU with regularity because it is an established program that routinely makes the NCAA tourney, and their next position is always a "step up". Coaches leave ODU to go to rehab or Trembling Hills retirement villa after mediocre seasons. I loathe VCU with every fiber of my being, but they are just better now, and probably will continue to be through this latest coaching change. I celebrate their tears, but that sweet taste does not elevate ODU one bit.

Right on point...and regardless of coaching changes they continue to make the NCAA tournament. Us on the other hand have not sniffed the NCAAs in over 5 years.

Our divergent paths have a lot to do with this. The fact that they are in the A-10 makes it substantially easier for them to make the NCAA's than it is for us in CUSA. That said, I would not trade our position for theirs if it meant we had to revert to FCS football, or like them, have no football at all.

This is where you and I differ, and I think I'm in the minority. I would trade away football in a heartbeat if it meant being in the A10 and making the tournament every year.

I actually would too, and I have had season tickets for football from day 1 and really enjoy going to games. But, basketball relevance is not a sacrifice I would be willing to make.
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RE: The Decline of VCU Basketball
(03-21-2017 10:16 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 08:13 AM)north beach monarch Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 07:36 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  Did Rhoades interview for the job when they hired Wade?

no he removed his name from consideration.
Why would Rhodes go backward to that job, a stepping stone, 1 and done in the NCAA and then look for another job

Rhoades has gotten Rice to the next level and it doesn't look like they take the next step in the next year or 2. He could have the chance to move up a notch despite having 1 winning record. Why not go to VCU for a couple years and look to move up like every other coach they've had?

OTOH, why would VCU go after Rhoades? There are much better mid major and lower coaches that would see VCU as a step up. Maybe they've learned just because they hire a coach with VCU connections doesn't mean the coach will stay. Christian is a good coach and has the most ties to the area. Why Rhoades over him if they want someone connected? Or just go from outside of the VCU coaching circle.

I just love seeing VCU scramble despite their winning ways. 2 days ago Wade "turned down NC State" and they loved him. (cant believe they actually think he turned down NC State). Now, he chose a crappy SEC school and they all say he's the most hated coach of all time. LOL

Wade did not turn down NC State. Keatts was number 1a behind Miller at worst, and may have been ahead of Miller.
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(03-21-2017 10:22 AM)FTW ODU Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 10:13 AM)odu09 Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 10:11 AM)paintedblue2 Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 09:18 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 09:10 AM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  Before throwing stones, we need to look in the mirror ourselves. Coaches leave VCU with regularity because it is an established program that routinely makes the NCAA tourney, and their next position is always a "step up". Coaches leave ODU to go to rehab or Trembling Hills retirement villa after mediocre seasons. I loathe VCU with every fiber of my being, but they are just better now, and probably will continue to be through this latest coaching change. I celebrate their tears, but that sweet taste does not elevate ODU one bit.

Right on point...and regardless of coaching changes they continue to make the NCAA tournament. Us on the other hand have not sniffed the NCAAs in over 5 years.

Our divergent paths have a lot to do with this. The fact that they are in the A-10 makes it substantially easier for them to make the NCAA's than it is for us in CUSA. That said, I would not trade our position for theirs if it meant we had to revert to FCS football, or like them, have no football at all.

This is where you and I differ, and I think I'm in the minority. I would trade away football in a heartbeat if it meant being in the A10 and making the tournament every year.

Really? No way could I make that choice. Hell, if we were told we could join the SEC if but had to dump basketball I'd be the first one lining up to tear down the Ted. lol

I mean that is a little different than the current scenario. We are in CUSA not the SEC, and by the same token if someone said we could join the ACC in basketball but had to drop football, I would be the first in line with a sledge hammer at Forman.
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You guys arent accounting for how we would be the trash of the ACC or SEC. As an institution and market area, we can't compare or compete with those guys. I know it is just hypotheticals, but would it really be fun to be Vandy in football?
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Well in my hypothetical we are getting ACC money and not having to fund football, so we have all the money in the world to spend on becoming the most powerful basketball program in all the land. duh.
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(03-21-2017 08:24 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 08:13 AM)north beach monarch Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 07:36 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  Did Rhoades interview for the job when they hired Wade?

no he removed his name from consideration.
Why would Rhodes go backward to that job, a stepping stone, 1 and done in the NCAA and then look for another job
Because you can't win at Rice?

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Huh? Rhodes just won 20 games for the first time at Rice in 14 years and finished in 5th place. He has the highest winning percentage for a coach at Rice since the 1950s…… pay attention. Rice is loaded with money and he’s building his own program. He has nothing to gain to return to a place like VCU – 1 and done in the NCAA and then what?
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You can win at Rice; they have the money and institution...... but VCU is a step up from Rice. Rhoades may not go directly to a P5 school from Rice (certainly not averaging 15 wins per season), but he may leverage VCU to a job just by doing decent at VCU.
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VCU will meet today with Rice's Mike Rhoades, per multiple sources.
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If this is correct, might be a good time to leave;
http://rice.247sports.com/Season/2017-Ba...ll/Commits
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LOL, we have 2 very good recruits and people are upset. They have 0
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RE: The Decline of VCU Basketball
(03-21-2017 10:55 AM)north beach monarch Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 08:24 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 08:13 AM)north beach monarch Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 07:36 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  Did Rhoades interview for the job when they hired Wade?

no he removed his name from consideration.
Why would Rhodes go backward to that job, a stepping stone, 1 and done in the NCAA and then look for another job
Because you can't win at Rice?

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Huh? Rhodes just won 20 games for the first time at Rice in 14 years and finished in 5th place. He has the highest winning percentage for a coach at Rice since the 1950s…… pay attention. Rice is loaded with money and he’s building his own program. He has nothing to gain to return to a place like VCU – 1 and done in the NCAA and then what?

Except better facilites, better fan base, a city that actually cares about the university's athletic program, 7 straight NCAA tournaments, a much better conference, no football, more money for him, more money for basketball...
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my mom showed me. I laughed terribly hard.

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(03-21-2017 11:18 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  If this is correct, might be a good time to leave;
http://rice.247sports.com/Season/2017-Ba...ll/Commits

They only have one spot open for 2017. Six freshmen, three sophs, three juniors and the one senior this season. Egor Koulechov might go pro, so that would open up a second spot, but as of now they have eight offers to one schollie, so I don't think there's cause for panic. Unless he leaves and takes Evans with him. Then Katie bar the door.
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(03-21-2017 11:34 AM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(03-21-2017 11:18 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  If this is correct, might be a good time to leave;
http://rice.247sports.com/Season/2017-Ba...ll/Commits

They only have one spot open for 2017. Six freshmen, three sophs, three juniors and the one senior this season. Egor Koulechov might go pro, so that would open up a second spot, but as of now they have eight offers to one schollie, so I don't think there's cause for panic. Unless he leaves and takes Evans with him. Then Katie bar the door.

Fair enough. I hope he doesn't take the job. We need all the good coaches we can in this league. It would be a shame to see Rice return to being a doormat and another RPI drain.
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