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(02-19-2017 03:18 PM)SlyFox Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 08:27 PM)bladhmadh Wrote:  It also hurts that they discourage interracial dating. Those views are used against them in recruiting

I think you are confusing Liberty with Bob Jones. Even back in the '80s when I was in school, Liberty didn't discourage interracial dating. That came out of nowhere.

Tom rehashed his typical baseless arguments that he spread over for close to two years. We've been down that road many times before. Anyone from any religion or lifestyle is welcome to attend Liberty. But yes, we do limit faculty and staff to those who adhere to our Christian principles. A novel idea for a proivate institution.

The misconceptions about Liberty could fill hundreds of page sin this forum but have nothing to do with where we stand now.

Would we value membership in the Sun Belt and accept an offer it came tomorrow? Absolutely. Is independence a good place for us to be at this juncture? We certainly believe so. We are good with the situation and you would think even our Belt detractors should find this amenable. You guys don't have to associate with the supposedly ignorant bigots and we can meet up on the football field when opportunity arises. It's a win-win.

As for Liberty's underperformance in the Big South, outside of mens hoops we pretty much are top two in the league in every sport. Coastal did a bang up job in the Big South and I wouldn't take anything away from them. They have our respect. We just switched out ADs and have been turning over coaching staff in multiple sports based on the underperformance. We are trying to address the issue.

Bob Jones started an athletic program. Wonder what would happen if they tried to move up to NCAA D1. Bob Jones to the Sun Belt! They're by Clemson.

Relax..joke.

(02-19-2017 10:10 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(02-19-2017 03:18 PM)SlyFox Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 08:27 PM)bladhmadh Wrote:  It also hurts that they discourage interracial dating. Those views are used against them in recruiting

I think you are confusing Liberty with Bob Jones. Even back in the '80s when I was in school, Liberty didn't discourage interracial dating. That came out of nowhere.

Tom rehashed his typical baseless arguments that he spread over for close to two years. We've been down that road many times before. Anyone from any religion or lifestyle is welcome to attend Liberty. But yes, we do limit faculty and staff to those who adhere to our Christian principles. A novel idea for a proivate institution.

The misconceptions about Liberty could fill hundreds of page sin this forum but have nothing to do with where we stand now.

Would we value membership in the Sun Belt and accept an offer it came tomorrow? Absolutely. Is independence a good place for us to be at this juncture? We certainly believe so. We are good with the situation and you would think even our Belt detractors should find this amenable. You guys don't have to associate with the supposedly ignorant bigots and we can meet up on the football field when opportunity arises. It's a win-win.

As for Liberty's underperformance in the Big South, outside of mens hoops we pretty much are top two in the league in every sport. Coastal did a bang up job in the Big South and I wouldn't take anything away from them. They have our respect. We just switched out ADs and have been turning over coaching staff in multiple sports based on the underperformance. We are trying to address the issue.

Bob Jones started an athletic program. Wonder what would happen if they tried to move up to NCAA D1. Bob Jones to the Sun Belt! They're by Clemson.

Relax..joke.

South Carolina would be the fourth best FBS program in the state!

Why is it anymore the Sun Belt' s responsibility to take in Liberty than it is the MAC's, C-USA's, or even the AAC's?

(02-19-2017 10:33 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Why is it anymore the Sun Belt' s responsibility to take in Liberty than it is the MAC's, C-USA's, or even the AAC's?

It is not. It is really the SEC's.

(02-19-2017 10:33 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  Why is it anymore the Sun Belt' s responsibility to take in Liberty than it is the MAC's, C-USA's, or even the AAC's?

I can't speak for other LU fans/alum but for me it's no one's responsibility. I think this Indy thing does have drawbacks but it also has strengths. Drawbacks are scheduling anything will be a pain in the ass. Building up a rivalry with someone is a no go or at best super hard to do. The upside is we can schedule anyone which is exciting. If we can turn that into a strength Indy FBS might be the best thing to happen to LU football.

(02-19-2017 10:10 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(02-19-2017 03:18 PM)SlyFox Wrote:  

(02-18-2017 08:27 PM)bladhmadh Wrote:  It also hurts that they discourage interracial dating. Those views are used against them in recruiting

I think you are confusing Liberty with Bob Jones. Even back in the '80s when I was in school, Liberty didn't discourage interracial dating. That came out of nowhere.

Tom rehashed his typical baseless arguments that he spread over for close to two years. We've been down that road many times before. Anyone from any religion or lifestyle is welcome to attend Liberty. But yes, we do limit faculty and staff to those who adhere to our Christian principles. A novel idea for a proivate institution.

The misconceptions about Liberty could fill hundreds of page sin this forum but have nothing to do with where we stand now.

Would we value membership in the Sun Belt and accept an offer it came tomorrow? Absolutely. Is independence a good place for us to be at this juncture? We certainly believe so. We are good with the situation and you would think even our Belt detractors should find this amenable. You guys don't have to associate with the supposedly ignorant bigots and we can meet up on the football field when opportunity arises. It's a win-win.

As for Liberty's underperformance in the Big South, outside of mens hoops we pretty much are top two in the league in every sport. Coastal did a bang up job in the Big South and I wouldn't take anything away from them. They have our respect. We just switched out ADs and have been turning over coaching staff in multiple sports based on the underperformance. We are trying to address the issue.

Bob Jones started an athletic program. Wonder what would happen if they tried to move up to NCAA D1. Bob Jones to the Sun Belt! They're by Clemson.

Relax..joke.

True story. I worked at a small private school for a couple of years and lots of these evangelical colleges would schedule visits. Unfortunately the students were less of the devout type and more of the "last chance til reform school" type. They would assemble our 20 or so HS students, share school stats, ask questions and throw out t-shirts and hats. Well it took about 5 seconds for the first BJU cap to hit the crowd and there was a frenzy on like sharks to chum. I think the poor fella up there really thought they were just excited about learning more about his school.

Liberty is in a unique position. They have the budget surplus that only the biggest of the big boys can boast. To me, their move up to independence affords them an audition. They have 5 years to say "hey look, we're good...let us in. I know you have your trepidations but see, we've proven we're worthy." And they're hoping that if/when regional realignment occurs someone will have to let them in.

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(02-20-2017 11:07 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  Liberty is in a unique position. They have the budget surplus that only the biggest of the big boys can boast. To me, their move up to independence affords them an audition. They have 5 years to say "hey look, we're good...let us in. I know you have your trepidations but see, we've proven we're worthy." And they're hoping that if/when regional realignment occurs someone will have to let them in.

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I don't see any conference taking them, unless it is a desperation move to stave off a WAC type collapse. I'd also be surprised if they went all Boise State in their first couple of years. They'll figure out a schedule to be sure, and they might win a few games (or even get bowl eligible at some point), but I'm skeptical that they'll do more with FBS Independence where they'll be at a decided disadvantage to other teams, than they did in FCS, where they had resources that were multiples of what other teams have. LU did less with more in FCS. They won't have more in FBS.

Its uncharted territory to be sure. They won't struggle with attendance like Georgia State did. They aren't public like UMass. But LU will have to win and win consistently or they'll get put in the UMass perception bin. And that, combined with the other issues that LU has, could be rather challenging for them, money or not.

You can have a splashy budget filled with tons of online ads, NASCAR sponsorships and ski ramps, but does that really help you compete in FBS football? Not sure about that.

(02-20-2017 11:07 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  Liberty is in a unique position. They have the budget surplus that only the biggest of the big boys can boast. To me, their move up to independence affords them an audition. They have 5 years to say "hey look, we're good...let us in. I know you have your trepidations but see, we've proven we're worthy." And they're hoping that if/when regional realignment occurs someone will have to let them in.

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For the Sun Belt, we now have the luxury of taking FBS schools instead on FCS moveups if we want. We now have NMSU, Liberty, UMass, and even Army to choose from rather than looking for a reach like EKU or Missouri State. We've been over JMU several times and that doesn't look like its going to happen. Our goal as a conference should be to make this the best mid-major football conference in the country (or at least as close to the AAC/MWC as possible). The two most obvious additions for us, if we ever decide to add again, would be Liberty and NMSU for full membership. The impetus to go to 12 teams is not there now so we don't have to do anything, unless we can prove that both schools add value to the conference.

For Liberty the benefits are money, name recognition, facilities, access to Virginia, political clout, and the potential to be the Baptist BYU.

The drawbacks have been beaten like a dead horse: large online school that allows them to essentially print money, academic standards (which I think is overblown), and of course the religion/science conflict.

For NMSU the benefits are that it is a good academic institution, good basketball and baseball, familiarity with the Sun Belt, and that it has been an established D1 program for a long time.

Drawbacks: location and football is comically inept (hadn't been bowling since 1960)


I think the pros outweigh the cons for both. I like the symmetry both schools add to both divisions. But obviously we don't need to add either. I see this as a post 2019 plan, after Coastal gets settled in. Travel partners would be hard to hammer out. Having two Texas schools in the Olympic sports helps NMSU out even if the distance is still gigantic. Not our fault, unless you're UNM or UTEP, Las Cruces is hard to get to. We essentially act as NMSU's waiting room until MWC has a spot open up. That's fine with me, as long as we get their basketball program in here. With Liberty, you're betting on the fact that with that pile of cash their sitting on, and the increased name recognition they'll get from being FBS, that the talent will follow. There are plenty of Christian families across the South and the rest of the country that have kids that play football and don't have the negative opinion of Liberty that we might have.

(02-20-2017 01:46 PM)Eagleditka Wrote:  

(02-20-2017 11:07 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  Liberty is in a unique position. They have the budget surplus that only the biggest of the big boys can boast. To me, their move up to independence affords them an audition. They have 5 years to say "hey look, we're good...let us in. I know you have your trepidations but see, we've proven we're worthy." And they're hoping that if/when regional realignment occurs someone will have to let them in.

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For the Sun Belt, we now have the luxury of taking FBS schools instead on FCS moveups if we want. We now have NMSU, Liberty, UMass, and even Army to choose from rather than looking for a reach like EKU or Missouri State. We've been over JMU several times and that doesn't look like its going to happen. Our goal as a conference should be to make this the best mid-major football conference in the country (or at least as close to the AAC/MWC as possible). The two most obvious additions for us, if we ever decide to add again, would be Liberty and NMSU for full membership. The impetus to go to 12 teams is not there now so we don't have to do anything, unless we can prove that both schools add value to the conference.

For Liberty the benefits are money, name recognition, facilities, access to Virginia, political clout, and the potential to be the Baptist BYU.

The drawbacks have been beaten like a dead horse: large online school that allows them to essentially print money, academic standards (which I think is overblown), and of course the religion/science conflict.

For NMSU the benefits are that it is a good academic institution, good basketball and baseball, familiarity with the Sun Belt, and that it has been an established D1 program for a long time.

Drawbacks: location and football is comically inept (hadn't been bowling since 1960)


I think the pros outweigh the cons for both. I like the symmetry both schools add to both divisions. But obviously we don't need to add either. I see this as a post 2019 plan, after Coastal gets settled in. Travel partners would be hard to hammer out. Having two Texas schools in the Olympic sports helps NMSU out even if the distance is still gigantic. Not our fault, unless you're UNM or UTEP, Las Cruces is hard to get to. We essentially act as NMSU's waiting room until MWC has a spot open up. That's fine with me, as long as we get their basketball program in here. With Liberty, you're betting on the fact that with that pile of cash their sitting on, and the increased name recognition they'll get from being FBS, that the talent will follow. There are plenty of Christian families across the South and the rest of the country that have kids that play football and don't have the negative opinion of Liberty that we might have.

Listen, the rest of your post is good stuff and a fine analysis of the situation but Army will never join the Sun Belt. The only conference that I ever see us joining would be the AAC. (One rumor about our AD is he wants us to go to the Ivy League which is why we are scheduling those teams in the future. )

Army is prime rib. The Sun Belt is the bargain shopper. Stay at the Shop n Save.

If you are so DOWN on the SBC why do you flood their site with lengthy posts!?

(02-20-2017 02:56 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(02-20-2017 01:46 PM)Eagleditka Wrote:  

(02-20-2017 11:07 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  Liberty is in a unique position. They have the budget surplus that only the biggest of the big boys can boast. To me, their move up to independence affords them an audition. They have 5 years to say "hey look, we're good...let us in. I know you have your trepidations but see, we've proven we're worthy." And they're hoping that if/when regional realignment occurs someone will have to let them in.

twitter.com/DieselOnRadio

For the Sun Belt, we now have the luxury of taking FBS schools instead on FCS moveups if we want. We now have NMSU, Liberty, UMass, and even Army to choose from rather than looking for a reach like EKU or Missouri State. We've been over JMU several times and that doesn't look like its going to happen. Our goal as a conference should be to make this the best mid-major football conference in the country (or at least as close to the AAC/MWC as possible). The two most obvious additions for us, if we ever decide to add again, would be Liberty and NMSU for full membership. The impetus to go to 12 teams is not there now so we don't have to do anything, unless we can prove that both schools add value to the conference.

For Liberty the benefits are money, name recognition, facilities, access to Virginia, political clout, and the potential to be the Baptist BYU.

The drawbacks have been beaten like a dead horse: large online school that allows them to essentially print money, academic standards (which I think is overblown), and of course the religion/science conflict.

For NMSU the benefits are that it is a good academic institution, good basketball and baseball, familiarity with the Sun Belt, and that it has been an established D1 program for a long time.

Drawbacks: location and football is comically inept (hadn't been bowling since 1960)


I think the pros outweigh the cons for both. I like the symmetry both schools add to both divisions. But obviously we don't need to add either. I see this as a post 2019 plan, after Coastal gets settled in. Travel partners would be hard to hammer out. Having two Texas schools in the Olympic sports helps NMSU out even if the distance is still gigantic. Not our fault, unless you're UNM or UTEP, Las Cruces is hard to get to. We essentially act as NMSU's waiting room until MWC has a spot open up. That's fine with me, as long as we get their basketball program in here. With Liberty, you're betting on the fact that with that pile of cash their sitting on, and the increased name recognition they'll get from being FBS, that the talent will follow. There are plenty of Christian families across the South and the rest of the country that have kids that play football and don't have the negative opinion of Liberty that we might have.

Listen, the rest of your post is good stuff and a fine analysis of the situation but Army will never join the Sun Belt. The only conference that I ever see us joining would be the AAC. (One rumor about our AD is he wants us to go to the Ivy League which is why we are scheduling those teams in the future. )

Army is prime rib. The Sun Belt is the bargain shopper. Stay at the Shop n Save.

Oh good grief. When they still wore one bar face masks or no face mask Army was a big deal. Not anymore. They would have a hard time competing with our top teams year in year out. Army is prime rib...Lol. You are as pompous as your name. Lol...prime rib....fuuuunnnnyyyy.

(02-20-2017 02:56 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(02-20-2017 01:46 PM)Eagleditka Wrote:  

(02-20-2017 11:07 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  Liberty is in a unique position. They have the budget surplus that only the biggest of the big boys can boast. To me, their move up to independence affords them an audition. They have 5 years to say "hey look, we're good...let us in. I know you have your trepidations but see, we've proven we're worthy." And they're hoping that if/when regional realignment occurs someone will have to let them in.

twitter.com/DieselOnRadio

For the Sun Belt, we now have the luxury of taking FBS schools instead on FCS moveups if we want. We now have NMSU, Liberty, UMass, and even Army to choose from rather than looking for a reach like EKU or Missouri State. We've been over JMU several times and that doesn't look like its going to happen. Our goal as a conference should be to make this the best mid-major football conference in the country (or at least as close to the AAC/MWC as possible). The two most obvious additions for us, if we ever decide to add again, would be Liberty and NMSU for full membership. The impetus to go to 12 teams is not there now so we don't have to do anything, unless we can prove that both schools add value to the conference.

For Liberty the benefits are money, name recognition, facilities, access to Virginia, political clout, and the potential to be the Baptist BYU.

The drawbacks have been beaten like a dead horse: large online school that allows them to essentially print money, academic standards (which I think is overblown), and of course the religion/science conflict.

For NMSU the benefits are that it is a good academic institution, good basketball and baseball, familiarity with the Sun Belt, and that it has been an established D1 program for a long time.

Drawbacks: location and football is comically inept (hadn't been bowling since 1960)


I think the pros outweigh the cons for both. I like the symmetry both schools add to both divisions. But obviously we don't need to add either. I see this as a post 2019 plan, after Coastal gets settled in. Travel partners would be hard to hammer out. Having two Texas schools in the Olympic sports helps NMSU out even if the distance is still gigantic. Not our fault, unless you're UNM or UTEP, Las Cruces is hard to get to. We essentially act as NMSU's waiting room until MWC has a spot open up. That's fine with me, as long as we get their basketball program in here. With Liberty, you're betting on the fact that with that pile of cash their sitting on, and the increased name recognition they'll get from being FBS, that the talent will follow. There are plenty of Christian families across the South and the rest of the country that have kids that play football and don't have the negative opinion of Liberty that we might have.

Listen, the rest of your post is good stuff and a fine analysis of the situation but Army will never join the Sun Belt. The only conference that I ever see us joining would be the AAC. (One rumor about our AD is he wants us to go to the Ivy League which is why we are scheduling those teams in the future. )

Army is prime rib. The Sun Belt is the bargain shopper. Stay at the Shop n Save.

Slow down there son. You're getting way ahead of yourself. I only mentioned Army in passing because they are a mid-major indy. They are in the pool of FBS schools that fit our criteria. You notice I mentioned them last, because I know they are the least likely of the four to accept a SBC invite. I never said anything about Army joining. You notice the bulk of my post was about Liberty and NMSU. Stop picking a fight where there isn't one.

Looking forward to LU making the haters look foolish.

(02-20-2017 03:22 PM)TOPSTRAIGHT Wrote:  If you are so DOWN on the SBC why do you flood their site with lengthy posts!?

Saying Army won't join the Sun Belt is not being "down" on them.

How can a conference mate having a lot of money ever be a downside? I don't get that.

That's not even Division I-AA power conference mentality. That's the mentality of the NEC, Pioneeer Football League, and the Patriot League who want to be able to call themselves DI but don't want to pay the money for it.

(02-20-2017 03:28 PM)OsageJ Wrote:  

(02-20-2017 02:56 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(02-20-2017 01:46 PM)Eagleditka Wrote:  

(02-20-2017 11:07 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  Liberty is in a unique position. They have the budget surplus that only the biggest of the big boys can boast. To me, their move up to independence affords them an audition. They have 5 years to say "hey look, we're good...let us in. I know you have your trepidations but see, we've proven we're worthy." And they're hoping that if/when regional realignment occurs someone will have to let them in.

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For the Sun Belt, we now have the luxury of taking FBS schools instead on FCS moveups if we want. We now have NMSU, Liberty, UMass, and even Army to choose from rather than looking for a reach like EKU or Missouri State. We've been over JMU several times and that doesn't look like its going to happen. Our goal as a conference should be to make this the best mid-major football conference in the country (or at least as close to the AAC/MWC as possible). The two most obvious additions for us, if we ever decide to add again, would be Liberty and NMSU for full membership. The impetus to go to 12 teams is not there now so we don't have to do anything, unless we can prove that both schools add value to the conference.

For Liberty the benefits are money, name recognition, facilities, access to Virginia, political clout, and the potential to be the Baptist BYU.

The drawbacks have been beaten like a dead horse: large online school that allows them to essentially print money, academic standards (which I think is overblown), and of course the religion/science conflict.

For NMSU the benefits are that it is a good academic institution, good basketball and baseball, familiarity with the Sun Belt, and that it has been an established D1 program for a long time.

Drawbacks: location and football is comically inept (hadn't been bowling since 1960)


I think the pros outweigh the cons for both. I like the symmetry both schools add to both divisions. But obviously we don't need to add either. I see this as a post 2019 plan, after Coastal gets settled in. Travel partners would be hard to hammer out. Having two Texas schools in the Olympic sports helps NMSU out even if the distance is still gigantic. Not our fault, unless you're UNM or UTEP, Las Cruces is hard to get to. We essentially act as NMSU's waiting room until MWC has a spot open up. That's fine with me, as long as we get their basketball program in here. With Liberty, you're betting on the fact that with that pile of cash their sitting on, and the increased name recognition they'll get from being FBS, that the talent will follow. There are plenty of Christian families across the South and the rest of the country that have kids that play football and don't have the negative opinion of Liberty that we might have.

Listen, the rest of your post is good stuff and a fine analysis of the situation but Army will never join the Sun Belt. The only conference that I ever see us joining would be the AAC. (One rumor about our AD is he wants us to go to the Ivy League which is why we are scheduling those teams in the future. )

Army is prime rib. The Sun Belt is the bargain shopper. Stay at the Shop n Save.

Oh good grief. When they still wore one bar face masks or no face mask Army was a big deal. Not anymore. They would have a hard time competing with our top teams year in year out. Army is prime rib...Lol. You are as pompous as your name. Lol...prime rib....fuuuunnnnyyyy.

Define big deal. Our own TV deal, massive ratings for Army-Navy, etc are all trophies that are coveted by the G4.

I knew that I should have placed a disclaimer in my statement that my analysis had nothing to do with skill on the gridiron because of stupid comments like yours.

Simple fact: the Sun Belt is beneath Army (due to prestige, academic standards etc) and that is not my stance.

Enjoy being ground beef.

My name is honoring 4 gridiron legends. (One from Michigan, one from Army, one from Dartmouth and one from Iowa.) I have read extensively on CFB history and I have never come across an all-time great from Arky State in the same breath as those heroes.

(02-20-2017 03:50 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  How can a conference mate having a lot of money ever be a downside? I don't get that.

That's not even Division I-AA power conference mentality. That's the mentality of the NEC, Pioneeer Football League, and the Patriot League who want to be able to call themselves DI but don't want to pay the money for it.

SFU is in the NEC. I wish we could have more scholarships but it is not feasible for the school to do so as long as the NEC exists. Personally, the Pioneer League is the real farce. At least, the NEC and Patriot actively try.

(02-20-2017 03:37 PM)Eagleditka Wrote:  

(02-20-2017 02:56 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote:  

(02-20-2017 01:46 PM)Eagleditka Wrote:  

(02-20-2017 11:07 AM)APPdiesel Wrote:  Liberty is in a unique position. They have the budget surplus that only the biggest of the big boys can boast. To me, their move up to independence affords them an audition. They have 5 years to say "hey look, we're good...let us in. I know you have your trepidations but see, we've proven we're worthy." And they're hoping that if/when regional realignment occurs someone will have to let them in.

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For the Sun Belt, we now have the luxury of taking FBS schools instead on FCS moveups if we want. We now have NMSU, Liberty, UMass, and even Army to choose from rather than looking for a reach like EKU or Missouri State. We've been over JMU several times and that doesn't look like its going to happen. Our goal as a conference should be to make this the best mid-major football conference in the country (or at least as close to the AAC/MWC as possible). The two most obvious additions for us, if we ever decide to add again, would be Liberty and NMSU for full membership. The impetus to go to 12 teams is not there now so we don't have to do anything, unless we can prove that both schools add value to the conference.

For Liberty the benefits are money, name recognition, facilities, access to Virginia, political clout, and the potential to be the Baptist BYU.

The drawbacks have been beaten like a dead horse: large online school that allows them to essentially print money, academic standards (which I think is overblown), and of course the religion/science conflict.

For NMSU the benefits are that it is a good academic institution, good basketball and baseball, familiarity with the Sun Belt, and that it has been an established D1 program for a long time.

Drawbacks: location and football is comically inept (hadn't been bowling since 1960)


I think the pros outweigh the cons for both. I like the symmetry both schools add to both divisions. But obviously we don't need to add either. I see this as a post 2019 plan, after Coastal gets settled in. Travel partners would be hard to hammer out. Having two Texas schools in the Olympic sports helps NMSU out even if the distance is still gigantic. Not our fault, unless you're UNM or UTEP, Las Cruces is hard to get to. We essentially act as NMSU's waiting room until MWC has a spot open up. That's fine with me, as long as we get their basketball program in here. With Liberty, you're betting on the fact that with that pile of cash their sitting on, and the increased name recognition they'll get from being FBS, that the talent will follow. There are plenty of Christian families across the South and the rest of the country that have kids that play football and don't have the negative opinion of Liberty that we might have.

Listen, the rest of your post is good stuff and a fine analysis of the situation but Army will never join the Sun Belt. The only conference that I ever see us joining would be the AAC. (One rumor about our AD is he wants us to go to the Ivy League which is why we are scheduling those teams in the future. )

Army is prime rib. The Sun Belt is the bargain shopper. Stay at the Shop n Save.

Slow down there son. You're getting way ahead of yourself. I only mentioned Army in passing because they are a mid-major indy. They are in the pool of FBS schools that fit our criteria. You notice I mentioned them last, because I know they are the least likely of the four to accept a SBC invite. I never said anything about Army joining. You notice the bulk of my post was about Liberty and NMSU. Stop picking a fight where there isn't one.

You placed us in the same category as Idaho, UMass and MNSU. Army (and BYU by extension) are not mid-major (that is a basketball term) and in fact are considered by P6 by many conferences. That is a fact, Jack.

There will not be a fight as long as you think clearly on these matters.