(02-13-2017 02:29 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(02-13-2017 02:09 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(02-13-2017 01:49 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(02-13-2017 12:10 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  The key is that we actually take in 43 million annually now, which will help for the future.

Not that I don't believe you when you say it, but, I don't really believe you know what you're saying. Can you demonstrate how $43 million is entering your revenue stream per year?

There's an itemized list of revenue and expenditures in the Article man. We took in 43.1 million and Spent 43.1 million.

We're not allowed to operate at a deficit..

Student fees;$5,027,521
Direct institutional support;$8,071,017
Other revenue;$15,076,460

What is your point? Those are low.

(02-13-2017 02:29 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(02-13-2017 02:09 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(02-13-2017 01:49 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(02-13-2017 12:10 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  The key is that we actually take in 43 million annually now, which will help for the future.

Not that I don't believe you when you say it, but, I don't really believe you know what you're saying. Can you demonstrate how $43 million is entering your revenue stream per year?

There's an itemized list of revenue and expenditures in the Article man. We took in 43.1 million and Spent 43.1 million.

We're not allowed to operate at a deficit..

Student fees;$5,027,521
Direct institutional support;$8,071,017
Other revenue;$15,076,460

(02-13-2017 02:29 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(02-13-2017 02:09 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(02-13-2017 01:49 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(02-13-2017 12:10 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  The key is that we actually take in 43 million annually now, which will help for the future.

Not that I don't believe you when you say it, but, I don't really believe you know what you're saying. Can you demonstrate how $43 million is entering your revenue stream per year?

There's an itemized list of revenue and expenditures in the Article man. We took in 43.1 million and Spent 43.1 million.

We're not allowed to operate at a deficit..

Student fees;$5,027,521
Direct institutional support;$8,071,017
Other revenue;$15,076,460

You do realize those numbers are incredibly low for a G5 school...right?

That's an extremely impressive. I've always been very impressed by your athletic director. I like his honesty and I try to listen to every interview that he gives as there's usually something interesting that he sheds light on.

In fact I've told many Houston fans that I would love if we could steal him. That said, I'm not sure he would be as successful in Houston. I think one of the reasons he is so successful is because he is so personally invested in the program that he is selling. You've got a good one at Arkansas State

We think so as well. Thank you.

Guess App needs to add the cost of the new scoreboard into our budget.

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(02-23-2017 11:25 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  Guess App needs to add the cost of the new scoreboard into our budget.

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If state law in North Carolina requires it as it does in Arkansas, then yes you should. We are reporting according to our legislative requirements. If we spend 43 million, we have to account for it. We spent 43 million.

Virginia might actually be weirder than Arkansas when it comes to athletic accounting.

Take a typical sports medicine program at a college. Even in Arkansas with its restrictions allows us to charge a lot of the stuff that is teaching student trainers as an educational expense even though it benefits athletics. In Virginia the fact that the student is doing hands on work required for graduation the fact that it benefits athletics is expensed to athletics.

You can go on down the line with other such thing that you don't realize are generally carried as academic expenses or promotional expenses or fund-raising expenses.

AState doesn't have to break out a lot of the utility costs or the cost of mowing around athletic facilities as an athletic expense.

I would guess the typical Virginia university reports several million per year in athletic expenses that would not be expensed to athletics any place else.

Now we get some weird stuff in Arkansas. For example the arena is outside athletics because it doesn't always break even, if it has a bad year the loss would charge against the limits on athletic spending, likewise if a major renovation is undertaken the bonds would be treated differently even though athletics has paid millions over the years for various things there on a cash basis.

(02-13-2017 12:10 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(02-13-2017 10:54 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  

Quote:But the biggest rise came thanks to ASU's spending on facilities.

Are capital expenditures normally included in an operating budget?

Arkansas has some very strange laws when it comes to state funding. Our booster arm for example, doesn't really have to report what it takes in annually publicly, but surplus donations cannot be added to the Athletic Budget according to the law. Only what our Athletic Department spends can actually be considered, and Capital Expenses must be reported.

Overall though, we've got a ton of Capital improvements left. Still have about 40 million more to spend on the football stadium. Olympic Sports have small work that needs to be done, and we're still looking at the distinct possibility down the road that We're going to need a new baseball stadium, and potentially have to add Women's Softball.

It will probably stay this high for a little while. The key is that we actually take in 43 million annually now, which will help for the future.

You got that slightly mixed up.

If the Red Wolf Foundation cuts a check for $50,000 a month to supplement the head coach's salary and the check is payable to the coach, it doesn't have to be reported on the state version of the budget. If the Foundation gives the money to the school for the school to cut the check, then it is reported.

All coaching buyouts are payable to the RWF to avoid state spending restrictions.

(02-23-2017 12:23 PM)doberman1 Wrote:  

(02-23-2017 11:25 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  Guess App needs to add the cost of the new scoreboard into our budget.

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If state law in North Carolina requires it as it does in Arkansas, then yes you should. We are reporting according to our legislative requirements. If we spend 43 million, we have to account for it. We spent 43 million.

But that is not your operating budget.

(02-25-2017 06:21 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(02-23-2017 12:23 PM)doberman1 Wrote:  

(02-23-2017 11:25 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  Guess App needs to add the cost of the new scoreboard into our budget.

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If state law in North Carolina requires it as it does in Arkansas, then yes you should. We are reporting according to our legislative requirements. If we spend 43 million, we have to account for it. We spent 43 million.

But that is not your operating budget.

Must all APP supporters "whine" all day and all night every day 24/7?

(02-25-2017 07:37 PM)Senatobia Wrote:  

(02-25-2017 06:21 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(02-23-2017 12:23 PM)doberman1 Wrote:  

(02-23-2017 11:25 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  Guess App needs to add the cost of the new scoreboard into our budget.

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If state law in North Carolina requires it as it does in Arkansas, then yes you should. We are reporting according to our legislative requirements. If we spend 43 million, we have to account for it. We spent 43 million.

But that is not your operating budget.

Must all APP supporters "whine" all day and all night every day 24/7?

FBS newbies. They can't help it.

I fail to see what all the fuss is about. Due to the required reporting we have a year where we report record spending. A big part of that is due to the press box renovation. Probably won't be as big next year. And if your school isn't doing as well go buy season tickets.

(02-25-2017 09:40 PM)sdcritter Wrote:  I fail to see what all the fuss is about. Due to the required reporting we have a year where we report record spending. A big part of that is due to the press box renovation. Probably won't be as big next year. And if your school isn't doing as well go buy season tickets.

Jealousy,jealousy, jealousy is all.

(02-23-2017 03:06 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Virginia might actually be weirder than Arkansas when it comes to athletic accounting.

Take a typical sports medicine program at a college. Even in Arkansas with its restrictions allows us to charge a lot of the stuff that is teaching student trainers as an educational expense even though it benefits athletics. In Virginia the fact that the student is doing hands on work required for graduation the fact that it benefits athletics is expensed to athletics.

You can go on down the line with other such thing that you don't realize are generally carried as academic expenses or promotional expenses or fund-raising expenses.

AState doesn't have to break out a lot of the utility costs or the cost of mowing around athletic facilities as an athletic expense.

I would guess the typical Virginia university reports several million per year in athletic expenses that would not be expensed to athletics any place else.

Now we get some weird stuff in Arkansas. For example the arena is outside athletics because it doesn't always break even, if it has a bad year the loss would charge against the limits on athletic spending, likewise if a major renovation is undertaken the bonds would be treated differently even though athletics has paid millions over the years for various things there on a cash basis.

I think in thier Carr report several years ago it stated about $6 million of JMU's budget would not be there if the school were located in NC. I don't know but I think ODU's is a little lower than that.

There is transparency though, here's a link to the 2015 audited financials for JMU and for comparison ODU

http://www.jmu.edu/financeoffice/fin-sta...aa2015.pdf

http://www.apa.virginia.gov/reports/ODUNCAA15.pdf

You can see line items for both of "Spirit Groups" and "Indirect Costs Paid to the institution by athletics". I think most of what's in these lines would be absorbed by most schools in ordinary operating budget and probably some other costs hidden elsewhere. So yeah our overall budgets are probably a little inflated but so is the subsidy amount.

(02-25-2017 09:40 PM)sdcritter Wrote:  I fail to see what all the fuss is about. Due to the required reporting we have a year where we report record spending. A big part of that is due to the press box renovation. Probably won't be as big next year. And if your school isn't doing as well go buy season tickets.

Just read that the Michigan Athletic Department is 240 Million Dollars in debt . . .

You figure they just need to sell a few more season tickets?

(02-28-2017 09:09 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(02-25-2017 09:40 PM)sdcritter Wrote:  I fail to see what all the fuss is about. Due to the required reporting we have a year where we report record spending. A big part of that is due to the press box renovation. Probably won't be as big next year. And if your school isn't doing as well go buy season tickets.

Just read that the Michigan Athletic Department is 240 Million Dollars in debt . . .

You figure they just need to sell a few more season tickets?

But Harbaugh wants to take the team to Italy.

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(02-25-2017 07:37 PM)Senatobia Wrote:  

(02-25-2017 06:21 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(02-23-2017 12:23 PM)doberman1 Wrote:  

(02-23-2017 11:25 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  Guess App needs to add the cost of the new scoreboard into our budget.

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If state law in North Carolina requires it as it does in Arkansas, then yes you should. We are reporting according to our legislative requirements. If we spend 43 million, we have to account for it. We spent 43 million.

But that is not your operating budget.

Must all APP supporters "whine" all day and all night every day 24/7?

That one particular is a special case....He actually took the time to take jab at the name of a feasibility study. Instead of Arena we had the audacity to use Coliseum.....

Thread related, I know a saw a post somewhere on social media where we are 21M vs 11M under a decade ago IIRC. Some thought that was not possible like our old AD.

No Sunbelt athletic program would get themselves into $240 million in debt. If they do, they should can the AD.

(03-03-2017 09:04 PM)doberman1 Wrote:  No Sunbelt athletic program would get themselves into $240 million in debt. If they do, they should can the AD.

No Sun Belt team has an annual budget of $150 million either. Michigan is fine.